[19:37] <atrus> so, i'm still confused about the messaging menu. What determines if an application shows up there?
[19:38] <atrus> evolution/empathy/gwibber/pidgin seem to just be there permanently, even the ones i don't use, just because they're installed. gm-notify only shows up when its running which seems like the right behavior...
[19:38] <atrus> is there a way to remove things from the menu if i don't want them there?
[19:39] <atrus> ie, an app that's installed for another user, but that I don't actually use at all?
[19:40] <atrus> also, is there any visual indication from indicator-applet that an application isn't running? Evolution's always in there, but it seems like the menu only does anything if the evolution UI is open, which is confusing.
[20:04] <tedg> atrus: You can remove things by putting them in the blacklist directory if you'd like.
[20:04] <tedg> atrus: Applications that show up there are those who have been ported to use the libindicate library.
[20:04] <tedg> atrus: gm-notify should put it self as a launcher there, but it hasn't yet.
[20:05] <tedg> atrus: Not having a large difference between running and not running is a design goal in that you can go to a menu to find the application no matter what the state of it is.
[20:06] <atrus> tedg: okay, so looking at evolution for example, how do i tell from looking at the menu whether evolution is actually checking mail for me?
[20:07] <atrus> it shows up in the menu regardless of whether it's checking mail (apparently).
[20:07] <tedg> atrus: It will have your mailboxes listed below it, and not have a description if it is not running.
[20:08] <tedg> Sorry.  Description == not running.  Mailboxes == running.
[20:08] <atrus> that seems somewhat non-intuitive.
[21:13] <SiDi> Hi there. Does anyone have Celeste Lyn Paul's email by chance?
[21:13] <ScottK> SiDi: Should be in her Launchpad profile or you can contact her via Launchpad.
[21:14] <SiDi> ScottK: do you have her LP username then please? :)
[21:14] <ScottK> SiDi: I'd guess seele (her IRC Nick), but if not LP search on that should turn it up.
[21:15] <SiDi> oh, found her on google. Thanks
[22:53] <atrus> tedg: so, where is this blacklist directory? or did that make karmic/karmic-proposed yet?
[22:54] <tedg> atrus: ~/.config/indicators/messages/application-blacklist  If you want you can just do "mkdir -p ~/.config/indicators/messages/application-blacklist ; cp /usr/share/indicators/messages/applications/* /usr/share/indicators/messages/applications/"
[22:56] <tedg> Sorry, the second directory in the cp should be the blacklist one.
[22:56] <tedg> Copy-and-paste error.
[22:56] <atrus> hmm.
[22:57] <atrus> so, i did "mkdir -p ~/.config/indicators/messages/application-blacklist; cp /usr/share/indicators/messages/applications/evolution ~/.config/indicators/messages/application-blacklist", and then removed/re-added the indicator applet, but evolution still shows up in there.
[22:58] <tedg> Sorry, it should be "applications-blacklist" instead of "application-blacklist"
[22:59] <atrus> "mkdir -p ~/.config/indicators/messages/applications-blacklist; cp /usr/share/indicators/messages/applications/evolution ~/.config/indicators/messages/applications-blacklist"
[22:59] <atrus> and evolution still shows up.
[23:07] <tedg> Hmm...  that's unexpected....
[23:08] <tedg> I need to go and make dinner.  But probably the best thing to do is kill indicator-messages-service and then run it in a terminal.  It'll output lots of fun information about what it's thinking.
[23:14] <atrus> tedg: so it does report finding the blacklist item, but it also reports "Found file: evolution" twice...
[23:16] <atrus> oh.