[00:00] kexman: are you saying you actually upgraded to 9.10? [00:00] it's good to have it, in case I forget to upgrade! [00:01] YESS [00:01] and it got worse :))) [00:01] ive tried 9.10 ... am back on 9.04 and wont be upgrading for awhile [00:01] busbaby: is bad to the bones :P haha [00:01] bad work kubunu ... wouldnt call this a major step ... just perhaps backwards :) [00:01] im at 9.10 and happy :-) [00:02] i am not [00:02] whats wrong with it? [00:02] I have 9.10 beta, I think. Now 9.10 had been released, how do I upgrade to it? [00:02] busbaby: I'll be waiting a bit longer too... not sure why, getting mixed vibes [00:02] nicklas_: type top ... what's plamsa-desktop cpu %? [00:03] anyways ... i wonder if there's a bug open for the updater icon issue [00:03] i couldnt find anything [00:03] busbaby: 0 [00:03] yoga, sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade [00:03] busbaby: now 1 [00:04] not high [00:04] when i installed 9.10 that was running at around 50% non stop ... just one of many stupid things i found [00:04] how can I turn off 3d acceleration? It's causing my system to freeze. Anyone help me? === Paraselene___ is now known as Paraselene_ [00:05] The_Journey: u mean desktop effects? can u get to system settings? [00:05] yea [00:05] amik, my system just starts freezing randomly, only the mouse work [00:05] my cpu is now at, cpu 0 0-10 % and cpu 0-10 % [00:05] so its all good [00:06] The_Journey: System Setting --> Desktop --> Desktop Effects uncheck "Enable desktop effects" [00:06] The_Journey: look under desktop, effects, there's a top checkbox for enable/disable of effects [00:06] amik, it's already unchecked [00:06] but my system freezes randomly, could it be something else? [00:06] busbaby: do you know what should i do to increase 2d/3d performance for a built in intel 945gm card ? [00:07] nicklas_: try this ... let the screensaver come on ... then move your mouse to turn it off, and then close *all* windows on desktop [00:07] that's made plasma-desktop core for me [00:07] The_Journey: it could be all sorts of things.... total freeze? completely dead? could also be bad memory, or other hardware, dunno [00:07] The_Journey: what graphics driver u use? [00:07] amik, everythign would freeze except for the mouse [00:07] yoga: you don't need to upgrade. when you install updates, it will be final release [00:08] busbaby: well, ive had no prblem tih it [00:08] kavurt: What do you mean by install updates, how? [00:08] amik, I dont know my graphics card, but I know it's integrated or something [00:08] kexman: nope ... sorry man ... ive only played around with nvidia [00:08] yoga, say yes [00:08] The_Journey: in hardware manager, is anything selected? [00:09] yoga: sometimes you have update notification on the panel. just install them [00:09] yes [00:09] amik, where do I get to that? [00:09] ok, im out [00:10] under system in the menu [00:10] yoga: do you usually install updates, when computer tells you there are updates? [00:10] kavurt: I see. [00:11] amik, I dont see it in System Settings->Advanced === keffie_jayx_ is now known as keffie_jayx [00:12] The_Journey: sorry, I meant in the main k-menu, not settings [00:13] yoga: you can check if you have final release now or not. it's written in the /etc/lsb-release file [00:13] amik, ok I opened Hardware Drivers and it says no proprietary drivers in my system [00:13] yoga: lsb_release -a in terminal [00:15] The_Journey: hmmm... not sure. maybe BluesKaj has an idea? [00:16] cat /etc/issue [00:16] yoga , uname -a [00:17] sorry The_Journey, I gotta go... I hope someone here will be able to help u out :-/ [00:18] I have an nvidia graphics card, dual monitors, twinview enabled. I have a dual monitor desktop background that I want to use as the background spanning both screens, but when I select the desktop background, it only displays on one screen. [00:18] How can I have it on both screens, short of chopping it in half and setting each screen's background? [00:44] anybody know of any media players that have ipod support in linux besides the obvious? [00:55] where can I find xorg.conf? [00:55] folks after version upgrade I got no more nvidia drivers nor sound can I have a habd with nvidia and mostly alsa drivers? [00:55] Create it, doesn't exist by default now [00:56] what? [00:56] genii-around, create it in /etc/X11 ? [00:56] The_Journey: Yes [01:01] folks after upgrading ubuntu to current version I got no more sound === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [01:12] i have a question on webcams, can anyone help? [01:14] ????? [01:19] guys i just installed k9.10 and i can't play mp3 files [01:21] i get a black screen after i upgraded my laptop to 9.10 [01:27] folks my kubuntu is broken I got no more nvidia drivers nor sound after upgrade [01:43] dolphin cant read my cd audio can someone help me? [01:44] frequent fix recipes mention System->Administration but i don't have any "Administration" under "System" (karmic 9.10) is this surprising? === me is now known as Guest20397 [01:47] trampel: they are probably fixes written when Kubuntu 8.10 was the latest client :P [01:47] How do I get Kdewallet to automatically allow KNetworkManager to connect to my wireless connection? im weary of typing my password everytime [01:47] trampel: that sounds like a gnome menu [01:47] morecrow: well, you could set the password to a blank password [01:48] MsMaco: it's under the big K (for kubuntu) or rather... it isn't. === AssociateXxx is now known as AssociateX [01:48] morecrow: Use wicd instead of the connector that came with kubuntu by default. In it, the "connect automatically" actually works :) [01:48] oooh, then would I just have to press enter, or would it automatically bypass like Windows user login? [01:48] Maarten: sweet ill investigate that too! [01:49] with wicd it connect as a system connection, ergo it is already connected before logon prompt shows [01:49] you want to not have to unlock your kdewallet/keyring? [01:49] amorok is not playing music for me. [01:49] so you-all see System->Administration under kubuntu 4.3.2/karmic? [01:49] trampel: no [01:49] trampel: that really sounds like the gnome menu bar [01:49] trampel nope [01:50] trampel: what are you trying to find? [01:50] ubuntu fixes don't always work in kubuntu..... but whatever you are trying to find should be awfully close :P [01:51] MsMaco: many ubuntu repairs reference "System->Administration" i have a recently updated to karmic kubuntu box that doesn't seem to have an "Administration" under "System" [01:51] trampel: thats because theyre referring to ubuntu, not kubuntu [01:51] trampel: ubuntu uses gnome. it has a different menu structure than kubuntu, which uses kde [01:51] ok. then it's not my box particularly. that's all i wanted to know. thank you!! [01:51] trampel: tell us what you're actually trying to find, and we'll tell you the equivalent program [01:52] hardware drivers actually [01:52] Jockey seems not to find any [01:52] oh... [01:53] did you run an update since installing? [01:53] all references that i can discover make mentino of System->Administration [01:53] an "update" via "apt-get update"? yes [01:53] if theyre telling you to go to hardware drivers, theyre telling you to go to Applictions -> System -> Hardware Drivers in KDE [01:53] which is still just jockey [01:54] ok. i've done my best in that regard then. thank you!! [01:54] so jockey seems .... broken for me then [01:55] potentially [01:55] i'm quickly learning how different kubuntu is from ubuntu... i really had underestimated that [01:56] totally different interface [01:56] the command line stuff is still the same though [01:57] ok... here's a fun one then. i've removed as much pulseaudio stuff as i think i dare ... so now i have sound again. but some sneaky process keeps making ".pulse-audio" in my home directory. any clues who that might be? [01:57] a sneaky process! [01:58] there is nothing in /etc/rc2.d left that has to do with pulseaudio [01:58] it's probably the pulse library [01:58] the library itself? ...how can it run without any daemon? [01:58] something loads the library and it creates the dir [01:58] it doesn't have to use the library, just load it [01:58] forgive my ignorance, but what is it that pulseaudio does? [01:58] yes... but.... what? [rubs chin] [01:58] !pulse [01:58] PulseAudio is a sound server intended as a drop-in replacement for !ESD - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio for information and installation instructions [01:59] yet another sound system [01:59] ah [01:59] and when it's active -my- sound card isn't. [02:00] makes things that would be black magic (or impossible) to configure in alsa...possible and easy [02:00] well, it has a habit of locking out anything not using pulse [02:00] including (for me) mplayer, and xmms2 [02:00] so jsut put everything through pulse [02:00] ? [02:00] what about apps that don't know about pulse, or don't want to use pulse... [02:01] in KDE we use Phonon, which is just thin wrapper around ALSA [02:01] the alsa plugin for pulse should make them route through it anyway [02:01] and won't stop any non-kde app from using sound [02:01] phonon has a pulseaudio backend [02:01] phonon is just an abstraction, it can use pretty much any sound system anyone wants to make it use [02:02] the way flash works is that it tries to output alsa, which is then caught and fed through pulseaudio's alsa compatibility api, so that it can be mixed with all the other apps on the system, instead of one of them locking the sound device [02:02] alsa won't lock [02:02] my impression is that pulseaudio works ~ok for those that have done a recent full rebuild... and ~crappy for those that have been doing system upgrades for the long run [02:02] sure it will [02:02] OSS will lock, which is why alsa was made [02:02] if you're not using plug:dmix, alsa gives exclusive locks [02:02] and umm... OSS has in-kernel mixing [02:02] the whole point of ALSA is that it won't lock a sound device [02:03] i remember having to enable plug:dmix to let mythtv talk to alsa at the same time as pulse was talking to it back before the alsa-to-pulse thing happened [02:04] pulse is the issue there, not alsa ;) [02:04] well i can tell you how to tell pulse to feed through dmix so that its not getting exclusive alsa access [02:05] ive got it written down somewhere [02:05] my cm8738 sound card does not play sound in games or from the web browser or from songbird but it plays the kubuntu intro music. any help? [02:06] tsimpson: http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com/2008/04/mythtv-on-hardy.html thats how i got pulse going back then. not sure its still current, but *shrug* [02:06] well aaron424, i have to ask, are you running pulseaudio? [02:07] i dont think so? how do you check [02:07] that's actually a good question, but i'd start with: ps -ef | egrep pulse [02:07] guys anyone has 3000+ mp3 songs? [02:08] aaron 2298 2279 0 21:07 pts/1 00:00:00 egrep --color=auto pulse [02:08] pepePlu: find . -name "*.mp3" | wc --> 1589. i'm not in that club yet [02:08] i dont think i have any mp3s [02:08] i only have oggs [02:08] aaron424: i'd say you're not running pulse. but i'm only an "expert" on avoiding it (and i'm not even that) [02:09] i asked because amarok always stop at 97% while scanning my library [02:09] okay so what now [02:09] also, its defaulte kde/kubuntu settings [02:09] and it was the only thing that can play mp3s [02:10] i installed banshee and rhythmbox and nothing could play mp3 [02:10] aaron424: what does: dpkg -l | grep libsd ...look like? any pulse, alsa, oss, esd ...? [02:11] aaron424: oh, and has your sound card ever worked for you before, and have you done a recent upgrade ...etc? [02:11] ii libsdl-image1.2 1.2.7-1 image loading library for Simple DirectMedia [02:11] ii libsdl1.2debian 1.2.13-4ubuntu4 Simple DirectMedia Layer [02:11] ii libsdl1.2debian-alsa 1.2.13-4ubuntu4 Simple DirectMedia Layer (with X11 and ALSA [02:11] aaron@Aaron-Desktop:~$ [02:11] aaron424: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation. === Kage_Jittai_ is now known as Kage_Jittai [02:12] oops === fetusbub1le is now known as fetusbubble [02:12] aaron424: (you just got in over the floodbot ;) ) ... so you seem to have alsa. [02:12] yes [02:12] the sound works when i hit test from the multimedia settings [02:13] aaron424: your PCM channel on alsamixer is raised up a bit? [02:13] but not in anything else [02:13] its all the way up [02:13] hmm... [02:15] what does Computer -> System Settings -> Multi Media look like? [02:17] pulseaudio, hda nvidia, nvidia hd some numbers [02:17] aha.... pulseaudio does linger there then [02:18] i do not know how to get rid of it there. nor even if that's a good thing if one wants to go all alsa. -sigh- [02:19] perhaps sudo killall pulseaudio? [02:19] nope no luck [02:19] i think you proved just here above that nothing pulseaudio is actually running on your box [02:19] do you have mplayer installed? [02:20] ill check === luser is now known as joseph [02:20] no, should i install it? [02:21] not unless you want it .... i was just curious what a "mplayer -ao alsa some_film_file.avi" did [02:22] what specific audio application are you aiming for? amarok or ? === david is now known as Guest48000 [02:32] Folks should I try to fix my issues with nvidia and alsa after upgrade to latest release or just format and reinstall? [02:38] folks Im having issues with nvidia and alsa after last upgrade what can I do? [02:38] I followed alsa and nvidia guide no luck [02:46] hello... anyone using a huawei E160 usb modem here? can't seem to make it work. :( [02:46] i'm using karmic. :D [02:49] e330 or so? [02:49] hi there..I noticed your 'project timelord', and while you outline reasons you see for kubuntu not reaching its full potential, your not outlining specific things about whats not allowing it so I was wondering what, if any of the things mentioned on main page are severe problems and why ? [02:52] neighborlee: you the same guy from #reilgion [02:53] Kage_Jittai: I know no such channel, sorry [02:53] but if you mean #religion, answer is still no ;) [02:54] neighborlee: yes you are, you are the heartseed guy [02:54] neighborlee: the person who wants to make a religion game [02:54] Kage_Jittai: that much is true yes... [02:54] neighborlee: this is Shadowmil [02:54] Kage_Jittai: that much is untrue. [02:54] I barely remember you, sorry. [02:55] adventure rpg game,,not religion game,, [02:55] and btw..its not called religion anymore,,its: #neighbors [02:55] just fyi [02:56] but I came to ask about notification on main page,,any idea about that please ? [03:03] Hmmmm..... does anyone know whether there is a C-64 emulator in any of the repositories? Can't seem to find one..... [03:05] hey all [03:05] im experiencing problems with the sound in konqueror [03:05] im new to ubuntu [03:06] i have a dual boot system with windows and kubuntu 9.10 [03:06] younas: What kind of problems/ [03:06] ? [03:06] when i open youtube in konqueror i get the video but no sound [03:07] Turn up the PCM volume. [03:07] By default it's all the way down. [03:07] ok let me see if it works [03:07] aha! VICE! of course! [03:08] no this doesnt work [03:08] Is it just the sound for youtube, or is all the sound broken? [03:09] I've got a question about Basket. Does anybody know if there's a way to import PDF or ppt/openoffice-impress presentations into Basket? I'm a student, and would very much like it if I could import my class notes into Basket then be able to type notes beside the slides [03:09] well o stayed up a night two days back trying to configure the sound and flash in konqueror i dont remember what i did exactly but i got it to work somehow [03:09] but when i lated rebooted the system [03:09] i got the video but no sounds [03:09] i get the same with vlc [03:09] player [03:10] although the dragon and amarok are working just fine without any problem [03:11] Run amixer and post the results in pastebin somewhere so I can see all the levels. [03:11] how do i run amixer? [03:11] From a terminal window [03:12] what command should i give it [03:12] It's a shell command. [03:12] Just "amixer" [03:12] does anybody here know much about BasKet? [03:13] ok let me paste it a pm to you [03:14] Ok [03:18] ok ive pasted it there [03:18] younas: Yeah, everything looks Ok. One thing I've noticed is that I have to have my sound up over a certain point before it kicks on. [03:19] yeah? [03:19] Also, depending on your hardware, you may need to turn up the volume on some other control that seems unrelated. For instance, on my Dell Vostro 1700 I have to turn up the "Headphone" volume. [03:20] well i have two sound cards installed [03:20] ive disabled one ofthem [03:20] im just using a creative audigy [03:21] other sound related appsa are working just fine [03:21] could it be a conflict with pulse audio or something [03:21] i remember reading something to that effect on a forum [03:21] Most people I've heard about just removed pulseaudio [03:21] I did. [03:21] how do i remove pulse audio? [03:23] sudo apt-get purge pulseaudio [03:23] ok let me enter this and see [03:23] you'll have to reboot after that. [03:24] it says package pulseaudio is not installed and therefore not removed [03:27] I've heard other people say they had to change their default audio driver to the alsa driver. [03:27] I didn't. [03:27] yeah? [03:28] so what do you reckon could be the issue here [03:28] Not sure. You're farther than I had to go. :) [03:28] amarok works just fine and the same goes for dragon player. vlc was workign fine till i rebooted it after installing vlc related packages and plugins [03:28] I'm not really a driver guy, I know just enough to fix the things I have that are broken. [03:29] :) alright ! thank you for your assistance nevertheless [03:29] any idea where i could turn for help? [03:30] Have you checked your log files? [03:30] nope [03:30] See if anything is happening in dmesg [03:30] Those are the two places I'd go next. See if there are any errors showing up or maybe the card isn't loading right. [03:31] ive opened the log viewer [03:31] what do i do next? [03:31] its the first time im using this feature [03:31] I always do my log viewing from the command line. :) [03:31] tail -f /var/log/messages [03:32] Then try and do the thing that's breaking and hope I see it pop up in the log. [03:32] ok [03:32] You may need to try restarting the audio sub-system while watching the messages log and see if it throws errors. [03:33] i just entered the command it gave me a response that is greek to me [03:34] shall i paste it? [03:34] Sure [03:34] also hod o i restart the audio sub-system while im at it? [03:35] *how do [03:36] I think "sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart" restarts sound. You might want to google that though. [03:37] The stuff you just pasted is the last 10 lines of your messages log (the default number of line from tail). The -f switch told tail to keep running continuously and print any new data from that text file to the screen. [03:37] That makes it a live view of the log. [03:40] ok ive restarted the sound too [03:41] folks how do I update to a new kernel? [03:41] well ive pasted whatever that comes up [03:42] what should be done next? [03:42] Frederick: Is it telling you packages are blocked? [03:42] i installed kubuntu-restricted-extras but K3b will not allow me to rip to mp3; what am I missing? [03:43] younas: Not sure. You would probably have better luck in the channel during the daytime hours in the US. [03:44] that would be night hours where i am [03:44] does anyone know how to hook up the alc888 audio codec in 9.10? [03:44] alright ill check it out then [03:44] esk4y: liblame maybe? [03:44] esk4y: Try "sudo apt-get install libk3b2-mp3" [03:44] do you know anything about konquerors plugins and whether or not they could be the source of the problem? [03:45] ebovine: is that for setting up the audio codec? [03:45] MsMaco: what is liblame? [03:45] anyone know if there is seperate x screens code in karmic? [03:45] younas: It isn't a konqueror issue. Youtube won't play in FF either. Most non-KDE audio sources will have issues. [03:46] rosco_y: a library needed to encode mp3 [03:46] ty [03:46] rosco_y: look for it in the package manager [03:46] MsMaco: thank you, I'll try that [03:46] rosco_y: wasnt your issue alc888? [03:46] ok [03:47] liblame was the answer to esk4y's mp3 question... [03:47] ill installl firefox and see what happens [03:47] i really wanted konquror to work [03:47] Firefox won't help. [03:47] you sure? [03:47] Yup. [03:47] id prefer using kde apps [03:48] i like the whole concept of integrated usage but it can be frustrating configuring things i am aliento [03:48] anyway [03:48] thanks [03:48] try arora maybe? [03:49] its another qt browser, but it uses webkit for better rendering than konq [03:49] ebovine: i've searched and attempted to install libk3b2-mp3 but it doens't appear in the repos. [03:49] hello === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [03:49] esk4y: heh. Yeah, that may have been old info. === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [03:50] ebovine, MsMaco: I already had the liblame.. but on a hunch i tried the lame (frontend)... and it works now. [03:50] *shrug* ok [03:50] esk4y. Good to know. I'll go do that now so I don't forget. [03:50] funny... i would have figured that'd be in the restricted package. I'm happy it works now. :D [03:51] Gah! I still can't figure out why when apache2 starts at boot it doesn't read my config files, but if I reload or restart apache after boot it configures itself correctly. [03:54] one more thing [03:54] where can i access the settings for ayatana [03:58] is there any way to get the fonts in ubuntu looking like windows 7 [03:58] when should i use apt-get clean or autoclean? [04:01] JJman6: when you're running out of disk space and want to delete the old debs [04:01] JJman6: when you want to free up some space under /var/cache [04:01] clean gets rid of all of them. autoclean keeps the most recent versions [04:01] Hi [04:02] ebovine, is there anything in your error.log? [04:03] what if i removed say apache for example would autoclean help get rid of all the other things that were associated with apache [04:03] JJman6: you want autoremove [04:03] magical: Nothing I can find. Just the services starting normally. [04:03] that should remove all unneeded packages [04:03] hmmm i did purge already [04:04] you can use "sudo apt-get --purge autoremove" to remove and purge any unused packages you have installed [04:04] magical: The part that kills me is that simply doing "sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart" will restart it and load all the configs properly. [04:05] How do I report a install bug on a package? (configuation failure). [04:06] JBadger: "ubuntu-bug " [04:06] ebovine, weird :o [04:06] or at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu [04:06] magical: Tell me about it. :) [04:07] ebovine, I can't think of any reason why it would load differently at boot though, unless some config files or something are on a partition that doesn't get mounted in time, but I guess they're not? [04:07] Let me see if this item has been reported, I thought it would have been fixed in 9.10. I think it was reported before [04:07] so I did not bother [04:07] magical: Nope, they're all on the same partition. [04:07] I've checked file permissions, they're fine. [04:09] hey my kde screensaver doesnt start... [04:09] any this this problem?? [04:10] localnnuser__: Try unplugging any external peripherals. I used to have a mouse that would send signals even when it was sitting still. [04:10] i have nothing pluged in [04:12] yay i just registered with the kubuntu forums [04:12] * vitamin-carrot does a little dance [04:14] doesnt start! kdescreensaver doesnt start automatically, some suggestions?? [04:14] tsimpson: ohh reported, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fetchmail/+bug/336847. added my comment [04:15] How do i get this "facebook" widget working? doesnt seem to load anything or have a config [04:15] i have no problem with it [04:15] I can't get 9.10 to upgrade from 9.04 It fails to fetch the last 4 packages i've tried it over and over! [04:15] That tells me nothing :( [04:16] not to mention it took me probably a good 10hrs to DL all the updated packages! [04:16] over 1700 [04:16] jjman6: you may want to dl the ISO back up your personal files and do a fresh install [04:16] JBadger: if you want, you can generate a diff for the init script and attach that, and also set the bug to confirmed (as you have confirmed it exists) [04:17] ick. not an option right now [04:17] If i can't upgrade then forget it [04:17] i have had alot of ubuntu friends cry over the past couple of days due to upgrade isntead of install [04:17] Hmm let me do that then, tsimpson [04:17] facebook widget seems to work just fine here [04:17] I did the upgrade, but there were enough problems with KDE 4.2 to 4.3 that I just went with a fresh install. [04:18] I'm already running 4.3 on 9.04 [04:18] Not a lot of compelling reasons to upgrade then. [04:18] i was really hoping that 9.1 would fix a lot of hte bugs/issues i've been having but from the sounds of it there's stilla LOT of bugs in 9.10 [04:19] ya never know untill you try all options [04:19] Yeah, 9.10 could be better. [04:19] I'm having issues with gfx/rendering issues. Compiz effects are a buggy [04:19] At the rate they've been going I'm considering just staying one cycle behind. [04:19] i had to turn compiz off because it was breaking some things (like i couldn't play poker) [04:20] Thats how i felt about 9.04 should have just stayed with 8.04 because it was more stable IMO [04:21] I keep getting pulled into the new ones because of something silly, like Subversion 1.6 in 9.10. [04:21] I had a ppa for svn 1.6 in 9.04 [04:21] yea that too. and they finally updated mysql too i see in 9.1 [04:21] well and 9.04 [04:22] If I was smarter (and had two or three days to resolve driver issues) I'd load FreeBSD on here and be done. :) [04:22] but..... you are not smarter, so here you are. :P [04:22] I have FreeBSD servers that have gone from 4.x to 8.x that I haven't even seen. [04:22] Much less put a CD in. [04:23] For once i wish they would just focus a release on making it more stable rather than adding new features [04:23] Maarten: I also took up amateur boxing as a hobby, so there are lots of reasons to question my intelligence. [04:23] When's the next LTS release? [04:24] heh :) [04:24]