[02:20] <cprofitt> anyone home to assist me getting something reported properly
[02:22] <micahg> sure cprofitt
[02:23] <cprofitt> thanks micahg
[02:23]  * micahg can try
[02:23] <cprofitt> the issue is with the OSD and function of volume controls on Lenovo laptops
[02:23] <cprofitt> I have a T42p, T61p and T500
[02:23]  * micahg hides
[02:23] <cprofitt> the T42p and T61p work as expected
[02:23] <cprofitt> the T500 'mute' button shows no OSD and only works to 'mute' the sound.
[02:24] <Pici> bug 357673
[02:24] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 357673 in hotkey-setup "No notification when sliding audio volume, muting volume on ThinkPad X31, X32, X41, X60, T22, T40, T42, T60, R50e, R51, R52" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/357673
[02:24] <micahg> thanks pici
[02:24] <cprofitt> Thanks Pici I was searching all over that bug... and could not find it
[02:25] <Pici> cprofitt: I'm subscribed to it, so I just was digging in my inbox for it
[02:25] <cprofitt> With 9.04 is didn't work on the T61p or the T500
[02:25] <cprofitt> so we have made progress :-)
[02:26] <MsMaco> i think its because thats done in hardware, not in the OS
[02:27] <cprofitt> MsMaco, that would not explain the difference in the T61p to the T500 would it?
[02:27] <cprofitt> with 9.04 the T61p did not work either... now it does
[02:27] <MsMaco> *shrug*
[02:27] <MsMaco> perhaps there was some blacklist/whitelist magic introduced at some point
[02:27] <cprofitt> it is the same thing I was told in April... but I doubt the T61p changed how it worked...
[02:27] <cprofitt> so it would appear to be software
[02:27] <cprofitt> :-)
[02:28] <MsMaco> i just remember hearing about thinkpads that did stuff in hardware....and then itd be repeated in software...and youd get like 1 notification and 2 vol changes or something
[02:28] <MsMaco> or have the OS not handle it...and you get no notificaitons but only 1 sound change
[02:30] <cprofitt> yeah... I am just looking for the behavior to be the same for different models
[03:08] <wcGary83> Does anybody know a master bug (it seems like tons of people are having this problem) bug 463396
[03:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 463396 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[GM45] No monitor output on laptop" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/463396
[03:09] <wcGary83> I can't find anything that matches on launchpad, but maybe someone knows more?
[03:10] <wcGary83> This is a bug i filed, but to track progress or a fix I figured there would be one already filed...
[11:58] <LimCore> hi, what happened to quiteinsane O_o
[11:58] <LimCore> it seems to be... removed from ubuntu 9.10?
[12:00] <MsMaco> *shrug* maybe it was unmaintained
[12:00] <james_w> bug 450400
[12:00] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 450400 in quiteinsane "Request for removal from archive (binary and source)" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/450400
[12:00]  * james_w waves to MsMaco
[12:01] <MsMaco> o/
[12:04]  * LimCore wonders why MsMaco shrugs
[12:06] <MsMaco> because i dont know for sure and was making a guess
[12:06] <LimCore> but avarage user will just think "hey wtf why I can not scan my images now and I need this done in 5 minutes"
[12:07] <LimCore> well I found I need to use gimp / plugin,  but newbie user could be very dissapointed
[12:07] <MsMaco> or xsane, which is also included?
[12:07] <LimCore> hmm
[12:07] <MsMaco> actually, AFAIK, kubuntu doesnt include anything for scanning
[12:08] <MsMaco> i always install xsane from gnome
[12:08] <LimCore> right, or xsane
[12:08] <LimCore> can we provide some way of telling users that tries to install/run quiteinsane,  that he should now use xsane instead?
[12:09] <LimCore> like, a proxy program that will just display such information
[12:10] <MsMaco> xsane is in the menu as "XSane Scanner" or something, right?
[12:10] <MsMaco> since upgrade will remove quiteinsane as obsolete, XSane would be the only option in the menu
[12:10] <MsMaco> so wouldnt it become obvious what to use?
[12:11] <LimCore> I was just going to use quiteinsane as I did 2 days ago before upgrade - and seeing it is not installed is not best when I have like 10 minutes to get something scanned ;)  It was not very bad either, but we could make it better for users used to old version/name of app I think
[12:15] <jpds> LimCore: No, we can't really provide a way.
[12:15] <jpds> But if they upgraded, the installed binaries shouldn't have been removed unless another package conflicts on the quiteinsane package.
[12:16] <MsMaco> upgrades offer to remove obsolete packages
[12:16] <LimCore> it would seem that for me it got removed,  I think upgrade dialog warned about this
[12:16] <LimCore> yes
[12:17] <MsMaco> it asks if you want to remove obsolete packages
[12:17] <MsMaco> you have teh option of saying no
[12:17] <jpds> MsMaco: What does?
[12:17] <MsMaco> jpds: update-manager
[12:17] <jpds> Oh, right, I never use that.
[12:17] <MsMaco> it throws up a "these packages are obsolete. should i remove them? yes/no" window
[12:18] <jpds> LimCore: In that case, the user should know what they're doing by click "yes".
[12:18] <LimCore> well its ok by me ;)
[12:19] <LimCore> if you sure this is user friendly (newbies friendly) enought then no need to provide proxy; othersie I would do it
[12:52] <M1Tn1Ck> hy
[14:48] <bullgard4> '~$ ubuntu-bug empathy': "The problem cannot be reported. This is not a genuine Ubuntu package." Was ist ein 'genuine Ubuntu package'?
[14:51] <tEtra> greets all
[14:52] <tEtra> pre-bug filing, thought I'd throw this out there:
[14:53] <tEtra> isc's dhcp3-server package on 9.10 appears to no longer understand/recognize the group {} directive.
[14:54] <tEtra> I copied a config from 9.04, and none of my hosts config'd within were being setup.
[14:54] <pedro_> bullgard4, works fine here, did you installed empathy from the PPA? that might be the issue.
[14:54] <tEtra> hrm?
[14:55] <tEtra> nvrmnd
[14:56] <tEtra> removing the group 'tags' and it's working. Anyone else see this behavior?
[14:56] <bullgard4> pedro_: I have installed the package from an "advanced" Ubuntu repository. It is version 2.28.1.1.
[15:03] <hggdh> bullgard4: this may happen if your repositories do not carry empathy anymore (or if empathy came from a PPA)
[15:07] <bddebian> Boo
[15:22] <ioneye> sdcad
[15:22] <ioneye> soz
[15:36] <matti> ;]
[16:22] <jcastro> bdmurray, the U1 team would like a session at UDS on techniques for handling bugs for lots of upstream projects and working with the platform team.
[16:22] <jcastro> bdmurray, I think I can handle most of it but would need your expertise at some point
[16:44] <bdmurray> jcastro: no problem just let me know what its called
[16:46] <bullgard4> hggdh: I think I asserted Synaptic > Settings > Repositories > (Software Sources) > Updates > Prereleased updates (karmic-proposed), downloaded Empathy 2.28.1.1 (because the regular Karmic version would not work on my computer) and then deasserted this repository. Is this reason enough for: "This is not a genuine Ubuntu package"?
[17:06] <hggdh> bullgard4: no, it is not. Can you run 'apt-cache policy empathy', and pastebin the output here?
[17:09] <bullgard4> hggdh: ~$ apt-cache policy empathy; empathy:   Installed: 2.28.1.1-0ubuntu1;   Candidate: 2.28.1.1-0ubuntu1;   Version table:  *** 2.28.1.1-0ubuntu1 0; 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status; 2.28.1-1ubuntu1 0; 500 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com karmic/main Packages'
[17:10] <hggdh> this is weird... indeed you are using a kosher empathy. OK, next try: please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:10] <hggdh> !pastebin
[17:10] <ubot4> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. Ubuntu pastebin is at  http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from  command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic
[17:14] <bullgard4> http://pastebin.ca/1656916
[17:21] <hggdh> bullgard4: we will have to check with the apport developer. I cannot see a reason for this error
[17:21] <hggdh> bullgard4: I have just been told that empathy is indeed breaking on Karmic
[17:22] <seb128> wait, I'm checking
[17:23] <hggdh> heh. Seems I jumped the gun here, sorry
[17:24] <bullgard4> What does the phrase: "I jumped the gun" mean? to trigger an avalanche?
[17:24] <seb128> no, to speak too quickly
[17:24] <seb128> I really have a local empathy install
[17:24] <hggdh> bullgard4: no, it means I stated something too soon
[17:25] <seb128> ok, works now
[17:25] <seb128> I can confirm sorry guys
[17:25] <seb128> can't
[17:27] <seb128> oh, I know
[17:27] <seb128> bullgard4, you have installed the karmic-proposed version but don't have karmic-proposed in your sources
[17:28] <seb128> the apt-cache policy doesn't list an official source for your version
[17:28] <seb128> so it looks similar to a local install to apport there
[17:28] <seb128> hggdh, ^
[17:48] <hggdh> ah
[17:49] <hggdh> bullgard4: please add the -proposed sources, run 'sudo apt-get update', and try again ubuntu-bug
[17:52] <bullgard4> hggdh: I have done so. I have been able to launch a bug report. --  Thank you very much for your help.
[17:52] <hggdh> bullgard4: welcome -- and thanks go to seb128... I should have seen it
[18:15] <lucka01> Hello there :)
[18:18] <jokrebel> am i right here with a problem that other people have the same one with the same dvb-t-usb-card also like me since upgrading vrom 9.04 to 9.10?
[18:18] <lucka01> I came from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs I'm in a dilema. When on launchpad trying to click on a report a bug it forwards me on the link I added. Hum why is that? I'm trying to report a but that is not a package related at lest I'm not awere of it. CDROM won't work. When I put in a CD/DVD it won't recognize it. Also when I'm trying to eject it I have to press the eject button a couple of times. Another problem is brightness. When tryi
[18:30] <mvo> bdmurray: I verified the fix for bug #465619 and set the tag to verifciation-done
[18:30] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 465619 in apport "apport enabled after a distribution upgrade from Jaunty to Karmic" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/465619
[18:42] <bdmurray> mvo: fantastic thanks!
[18:43] <cmeiklejohn> hello
[21:50] <jcastro> bdmurray, are you going to have a session on bugcontrol?
[21:50] <jcastro> bdmurray, you mentioned wanting to get more participation, etc.
[21:50] <bdmurray> jcastro: at uds?
[21:51] <jcastro> yeah
[21:53] <bdmurray> I haven't thought about that in particular much
[22:01] <micahg> bdmurray: are we meeting next week?
[22:02] <bdmurray> micahg: yes, that sounds good
[22:02] <micahg> ok
[22:03] <micahg> bdmurray: does there need to be an official announcement?
[22:03] <bdmurray> micahg: yes, I think there should be one
[22:03] <micahg> bdmurray: PM?
[22:04] <bdmurray> hmm?
[22:04] <micahg> other topic
[22:29] <BUGabundo> bouas noutes
[22:35] <DMMN> hi!!
[22:55] <mjw99> Can anyone help with this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/465849  . I really can't use the network on my laptop since I upgraded to 9.10 because of this.
[22:55] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 465849 in network-manager-applet "nm-applet crashed with SIGSEGV in utils_connection_valid_for_device()" [Undecided,New]
[22:55] <BUGabundo> mjw99: $ nm-applet
[22:56] <BUGabundo> yeah it's a stuppid acertion bug
[22:56] <BUGabundo> nagg asac about it :p
[22:56] <mjw99> Who (or what) is asac?
[22:56] <BUGabundo> mjw99: he is no here right now. asac is the person in charge of the NM packages
[22:57] <BUGabundo> try #ubuntu-mozillateam. he is usually around there
[22:57] <mjw99> ok; thanks
[22:57] <BUGabundo> but he is offline there too
[22:57] <mjw99> out of interest, is there any mechanism to roll back to 9.04?
[22:57] <BUGabundo> nope
[22:58] <BUGabundo> only *clean* install
[22:58] <mjw99> ok.
[22:59] <mjw99> I had been trying every iteration of the live cd out on this laptop prior to upgrading 9.04 on the hardrive to 9.10; I had no issues with the live CDs, hence I assumed it would be fine to upgrade
[23:01] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:01] <BUGabundo> cool
[23:01] <BUGabundo> so what went wrong?
[23:02] <mjw99> This bug that I refer to now..
[23:04] <BUGabundo> that's not even a *serious* bug
[23:04] <BUGabundo> just a stupid race condition or something
[23:05] <BUGabundo> easilly worked around by restarting the applet
[23:05] <mjw99> tried that; when I left click on it, it crashes again
[23:06] <joaopinto> BUGabundo, an application crashing randomlys is not serious ? specially the network manager :) ?
[23:06] <joaopinto> randomly
[23:07] <BUGabundo> its not NM that crashes
[23:07] <BUGabundo> from what I recall when I got hit 2 time with that
[23:07] <BUGabundo> its just nm-applet
[23:07] <BUGabundo> start it over, and you are good to go until next reboot
[23:07] <mjw99> yes; it's nm-applet crashing.
[23:07] <BUGabundo> the bug is filed, prob the cause is know (I reported it before release too)
[23:09] <mjw99> BUGabundo; If I left click on it, it crashes and I need to restart it. As a result, it makes logging on to new wireless networks very hard; one has to resort to the command line. I would count this bug as quite problematic to a standard user.
[23:11] <BUGabundo> how are you restartting it?
[23:11] <BUGabundo> on a cli? by just doing $ nm-applet?
[23:11] <mjw99> command line from a terminal window
[23:11] <BUGabundo> the bug I had was with
[23:11] <BUGabundo> a bad dectecion of a wireless network
[23:11] <BUGabundo> try the version on PPA
[23:12] <mjw99> I don't really have any more time to spend on this one... it's already sucked up a lot since this is my primary laptop.
[23:13] <BUGabundo> that's why I'm recommending you to try a PPA version
[23:13] <BUGabundo> that I _think_ has that fixed
[23:16] <mjw99> Maybe I'll come back to that one if I have some more time, I cannot expend any more on this one, it was cumbersome enough to ensure that I had sanitized the bug report prior to making it public. The bug has been reported and it is the launchpad database... the rest is over to the devs.
[23:17] <mjw99> I appreciated your advice on this one and I thank you again for conversing and responding to my questions.
[23:17] <mjw99> laters
[23:22] <joaopinto> BUGabundo, not very friendly on your part
[23:24] <BUGabundo> joaopinto: I'm providing  a way to fix it until repos get it fixed for him
[23:25] <BUGabundo> if that is not friendly, well Im not sure on how to help more
[23:28] <joaopinto> BUGabundo, I am not sure how minimizing the bug importance to the user helps :)