=== widox_ is now known as widox [02:20] anyone home to assist me getting something reported properly [02:22] sure cprofitt [02:23] thanks micahg [02:23] * micahg can try [02:23] the issue is with the OSD and function of volume controls on Lenovo laptops [02:23] I have a T42p, T61p and T500 [02:23] * micahg hides [02:23] the T42p and T61p work as expected [02:23] the T500 'mute' button shows no OSD and only works to 'mute' the sound. [02:24] bug 357673 [02:24] Launchpad bug 357673 in hotkey-setup "No notification when sliding audio volume, muting volume on ThinkPad X31, X32, X41, X60, T22, T40, T42, T60, R50e, R51, R52" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/357673 [02:24] thanks pici [02:24] Thanks Pici I was searching all over that bug... and could not find it [02:25] cprofitt: I'm subscribed to it, so I just was digging in my inbox for it [02:25] With 9.04 is didn't work on the T61p or the T500 [02:25] so we have made progress :-) [02:26] i think its because thats done in hardware, not in the OS [02:27] MsMaco, that would not explain the difference in the T61p to the T500 would it? [02:27] with 9.04 the T61p did not work either... now it does [02:27] *shrug* [02:27] perhaps there was some blacklist/whitelist magic introduced at some point [02:27] it is the same thing I was told in April... but I doubt the T61p changed how it worked... [02:27] so it would appear to be software [02:27] :-) [02:28] i just remember hearing about thinkpads that did stuff in hardware....and then itd be repeated in software...and youd get like 1 notification and 2 vol changes or something [02:28] or have the OS not handle it...and you get no notificaitons but only 1 sound change [02:30] yeah... I am just looking for the behavior to be the same for different models [03:08] Does anybody know a master bug (it seems like tons of people are having this problem) bug 463396 [03:08] Launchpad bug 463396 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[GM45] No monitor output on laptop" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/463396 [03:09] I can't find anything that matches on launchpad, but maybe someone knows more? [03:10] This is a bug i filed, but to track progress or a fix I figured there would be one already filed... === micahg1 is now known as micahg [11:58] hi, what happened to quiteinsane O_o [11:58] it seems to be... removed from ubuntu 9.10? [12:00] *shrug* maybe it was unmaintained [12:00] bug 450400 [12:00] Launchpad bug 450400 in quiteinsane "Request for removal from archive (binary and source)" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/450400 [12:00] * james_w waves to MsMaco [12:01] o/ [12:04] * LimCore wonders why MsMaco shrugs [12:06] because i dont know for sure and was making a guess [12:06] but avarage user will just think "hey wtf why I can not scan my images now and I need this done in 5 minutes" [12:07] well I found I need to use gimp / plugin, but newbie user could be very dissapointed [12:07] or xsane, which is also included? [12:07] hmm [12:07] actually, AFAIK, kubuntu doesnt include anything for scanning [12:08] i always install xsane from gnome [12:08] right, or xsane [12:08] can we provide some way of telling users that tries to install/run quiteinsane, that he should now use xsane instead? [12:09] like, a proxy program that will just display such information [12:10] xsane is in the menu as "XSane Scanner" or something, right? [12:10] since upgrade will remove quiteinsane as obsolete, XSane would be the only option in the menu [12:10] so wouldnt it become obvious what to use? [12:11] I was just going to use quiteinsane as I did 2 days ago before upgrade - and seeing it is not installed is not best when I have like 10 minutes to get something scanned ;) It was not very bad either, but we could make it better for users used to old version/name of app I think [12:15] LimCore: No, we can't really provide a way. [12:15] But if they upgraded, the installed binaries shouldn't have been removed unless another package conflicts on the quiteinsane package. [12:16] upgrades offer to remove obsolete packages [12:16] it would seem that for me it got removed, I think upgrade dialog warned about this [12:16] yes [12:17] it asks if you want to remove obsolete packages [12:17] you have teh option of saying no [12:17] MsMaco: What does? [12:17] jpds: update-manager [12:17] Oh, right, I never use that. [12:17] it throws up a "these packages are obsolete. should i remove them? yes/no" window [12:18] LimCore: In that case, the user should know what they're doing by click "yes". [12:18] well its ok by me ;) [12:19] if you sure this is user friendly (newbies friendly) enought then no need to provide proxy; othersie I would do it [12:52] hy === ogra_ is now known as ogra === lmentop_ is now known as lmentop === marjomercado is now known as marjo [14:48] '~$ ubuntu-bug empathy': "The problem cannot be reported. This is not a genuine Ubuntu package." Was ist ein 'genuine Ubuntu package'? [14:51] greets all [14:52] pre-bug filing, thought I'd throw this out there: [14:53] isc's dhcp3-server package on 9.10 appears to no longer understand/recognize the group {} directive. [14:54] I copied a config from 9.04, and none of my hosts config'd within were being setup. [14:54] bullgard4, works fine here, did you installed empathy from the PPA? that might be the issue. [14:54] hrm? [14:55] nvrmnd [14:56] removing the group 'tags' and it's working. Anyone else see this behavior? [14:56] pedro_: I have installed the package from an "advanced" Ubuntu repository. It is version 2.28.1.1. [15:03] bullgard4: this may happen if your repositories do not carry empathy anymore (or if empathy came from a PPA) [15:07] Boo [15:22] sdcad [15:22] soz [15:36] ;] [16:22] bdmurray, the U1 team would like a session at UDS on techniques for handling bugs for lots of upstream projects and working with the platform team. [16:22] bdmurray, I think I can handle most of it but would need your expertise at some point [16:44] jcastro: no problem just let me know what its called [16:46] hggdh: I think I asserted Synaptic > Settings > Repositories > (Software Sources) > Updates > Prereleased updates (karmic-proposed), downloaded Empathy 2.28.1.1 (because the regular Karmic version would not work on my computer) and then deasserted this repository. Is this reason enough for: "This is not a genuine Ubuntu package"? === asac_ is now known as asac [17:06] bullgard4: no, it is not. Can you run 'apt-cache policy empathy', and pastebin the output here? [17:09] hggdh: ~$ apt-cache policy empathy; empathy: Installed: 2.28.1.1-0ubuntu1; Candidate: 2.28.1.1-0ubuntu1; Version table: *** 2.28.1.1-0ubuntu1 0; 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status; 2.28.1-1ubuntu1 0; 500 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com karmic/main Packages' [17:10] this is weird... indeed you are using a kosher empathy. OK, next try: please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list [17:10] !pastebin [17:10] pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic [17:14] http://pastebin.ca/1656916 [17:21] bullgard4: we will have to check with the apport developer. I cannot see a reason for this error [17:21] bullgard4: I have just been told that empathy is indeed breaking on Karmic [17:22] wait, I'm checking [17:23] heh. Seems I jumped the gun here, sorry [17:24] What does the phrase: "I jumped the gun" mean? to trigger an avalanche? [17:24] no, to speak too quickly [17:24] I really have a local empathy install [17:24] bullgard4: no, it means I stated something too soon [17:25] ok, works now [17:25] I can confirm sorry guys [17:25] can't [17:27] oh, I know [17:27] bullgard4, you have installed the karmic-proposed version but don't have karmic-proposed in your sources [17:28] the apt-cache policy doesn't list an official source for your version [17:28] so it looks similar to a local install to apport there [17:28] hggdh, ^ === chibihogoshino is now known as chibi-is-afk [17:48] ah [17:49] bullgard4: please add the -proposed sources, run 'sudo apt-get update', and try again ubuntu-bug [17:52] hggdh: I have done so. I have been able to launch a bug report. -- Thank you very much for your help. [17:52] bullgard4: welcome -- and thanks go to seb128... I should have seen it [18:15] Hello there :) [18:18] am i right here with a problem that other people have the same one with the same dvb-t-usb-card also like me since upgrading vrom 9.04 to 9.10? [18:18] I came from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs I'm in a dilema. When on launchpad trying to click on a report a bug it forwards me on the link I added. Hum why is that? I'm trying to report a but that is not a package related at lest I'm not awere of it. CDROM won't work. When I put in a CD/DVD it won't recognize it. Also when I'm trying to eject it I have to press the eject button a couple of times. Another problem is brightness. When tryi [18:30] bdmurray: I verified the fix for bug #465619 and set the tag to verifciation-done [18:30] Launchpad bug 465619 in apport "apport enabled after a distribution upgrade from Jaunty to Karmic" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/465619 [18:42] mvo: fantastic thanks! [18:43] hello === erhesrhsrtb54vyh is now known as Elbrus === chibi-is-afk is now known as chibihogoshino === micahg1 is now known as micahg === knoppix is now known as mika_video === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [21:50] bdmurray, are you going to have a session on bugcontrol? [21:50] bdmurray, you mentioned wanting to get more participation, etc. [21:50] jcastro: at uds? [21:51] yeah [21:53] I haven't thought about that in particular much [22:01] bdmurray: are we meeting next week? [22:02] micahg: yes, that sounds good [22:02] ok [22:03] bdmurray: does there need to be an official announcement? [22:03] micahg: yes, I think there should be one [22:03] bdmurray: PM? [22:04] hmm? [22:04] other topic [22:29] bouas noutes [22:35] hi!! [22:55] Can anyone help with this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/465849 . I really can't use the network on my laptop since I upgraded to 9.10 because of this. [22:55] Launchpad bug 465849 in network-manager-applet "nm-applet crashed with SIGSEGV in utils_connection_valid_for_device()" [Undecided,New] [22:55] mjw99: $ nm-applet [22:56] yeah it's a stuppid acertion bug [22:56] nagg asac about it :p [22:56] Who (or what) is asac? [22:56] mjw99: he is no here right now. asac is the person in charge of the NM packages [22:57] try #ubuntu-mozillateam. he is usually around there [22:57] ok; thanks [22:57] but he is offline there too [22:57] out of interest, is there any mechanism to roll back to 9.04? [22:57] nope [22:58] only *clean* install [22:58] ok. [22:59] I had been trying every iteration of the live cd out on this laptop prior to upgrading 9.04 on the hardrive to 9.10; I had no issues with the live CDs, hence I assumed it would be fine to upgrade [23:01] eheh [23:01] cool [23:01] so what went wrong? [23:02] This bug that I refer to now.. [23:04] that's not even a *serious* bug [23:04] just a stupid race condition or something [23:05] easilly worked around by restarting the applet [23:05] tried that; when I left click on it, it crashes again [23:06] BUGabundo, an application crashing randomlys is not serious ? specially the network manager :) ? [23:06] randomly [23:07] its not NM that crashes [23:07] from what I recall when I got hit 2 time with that [23:07] its just nm-applet [23:07] start it over, and you are good to go until next reboot [23:07] yes; it's nm-applet crashing. [23:07] the bug is filed, prob the cause is know (I reported it before release too) [23:09] BUGabundo; If I left click on it, it crashes and I need to restart it. As a result, it makes logging on to new wireless networks very hard; one has to resort to the command line. I would count this bug as quite problematic to a standard user. [23:11] how are you restartting it? [23:11] on a cli? by just doing $ nm-applet? [23:11] command line from a terminal window [23:11] the bug I had was with [23:11] a bad dectecion of a wireless network [23:11] try the version on PPA [23:12] I don't really have any more time to spend on this one... it's already sucked up a lot since this is my primary laptop. [23:13] that's why I'm recommending you to try a PPA version [23:13] that I _think_ has that fixed [23:16] Maybe I'll come back to that one if I have some more time, I cannot expend any more on this one, it was cumbersome enough to ensure that I had sanitized the bug report prior to making it public. The bug has been reported and it is the launchpad database... the rest is over to the devs. [23:17] I appreciated your advice on this one and I thank you again for conversing and responding to my questions. [23:17] laters [23:22] BUGabundo, not very friendly on your part [23:24] joaopinto: I'm providing a way to fix it until repos get it fixed for him [23:25] if that is not friendly, well Im not sure on how to help more [23:28] BUGabundo, I am not sure how minimizing the bug importance to the user helps :)