[00:00] <bodhi_zazen> people ready for the BT meeting ?
[00:00] <nhandler> Yep
[00:00] <sblunix> aye
[00:00] <Silver-Fox-> Yes.
[00:00] <bodhi_zazen> #startmeeting
[00:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 18:00. The chair is bodhi_zazen.
[00:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[00:00] <bodhi_zazen> Ah, perfect timing =)
[00:00] <bodhi_zazen> [LINK]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Meetings
[00:00] <MootBot> LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Meetings
[00:00] <bodhi_zazen> Agenda # 1 Forums ?
[00:01] <bodhi_zazen> Bodsda: you here
[00:01] <sblunix> Forums sounds acceptable
[00:01] <bodhi_zazen> Alrighty then ...
[00:01] <ZachK_> meeting?
[00:02] <sblunix> Yes
[00:02] <bodhi_zazen> Bodsda approached me about the possibility for a team forums a few weeks ago
[00:02] <ZachK_> bodhi_zazen: ok
[00:02] <starcraftman> I r here, just munching pizza.
[00:02] <ZachK_> bodhi_zazen: is that a topic?
[00:02] <sblunix> bodhi_zazen, mmhhmmm
[00:02] <bodhi_zazen> as it so happened I was testing forums software anyways, so I set up a few test servers, which I think a few of you all looked at
[00:03] <sblunix> Weren't you having troubles?
[00:03] <bodhi_zazen> so, the question is, does the team wish to use a forums ?
[00:03] <sblunix> I vote yes.
[00:03] <ZachK_> save sblunix for last....yes FORUMS!!!!!!!!!!!!
[00:03] <sblunix> ZachK_, say what?
[00:03] <Silver-Fox-> I ask for what purpose.  Is it to replace the wiki?
[00:03] <bodhi_zazen> No real purpose =)
[00:04] <bodhi_zazen> The point would be:
[00:04] <sblunix> Silver-Fox-, The Wiki is more of an informational place. The forums would be a more solid communicational place other than IRC.
[00:04] <bodhi_zazen> 1. some people can learn sys admin as I will teach them
[00:04] <bodhi_zazen> 2. Would it improve communication ? Not everyone seems to prefer the mailing list(s)
[00:04] <sblunix> I believe it would, I prefer forums much over mailing lists...
[00:04] <bodhi_zazen> and a forums keeps topics / conversations nice and neat
[00:05] <Joeb454> I don't think I'd use it, personally
[00:05] <nhandler> Do we really need an entire forum for the team? We already have a section on ubuntuforums.org
[00:05] <Joeb454> I remember when we had the team forum on UF, that never really got used a whole lot
[00:05] <bodhi_zazen> +1 Joeb454
[00:05] <Silver-Fox-> Nobody uses the team group on ubuntuforums.org ,  will this be any different ?
[00:06]  * sblunix did not know about the team group on ubuntuforums.org
[00:06] <nhandler> I personally think we should make use of the mailing list and IRC channels instead of a separate forum
[00:06] <drs305> +1
[00:06] <Silver-Fox-> +1
[00:06] <PabloRubianes> +1
[00:07] <bodhi_zazen> do you all want to vote on this ?
[00:07] <sblunix> It doesn't seem many people use the mailing list either though, unless I'm just not part of it...
[00:07] <bodhi_zazen> or table the discussion ?
[00:07] <sblunix> table the discussion?
[00:07] <bodhi_zazen> no, mailing list is quiet
[00:07] <sblunix> bodhi_zazen, probably because I fail at mailing lists and don't know how to use them...
[00:07] <bodhi_zazen> table meaning, no forms , the end =)
[00:08] <nhandler> bodhi_zazen: Let's vote on this so we can have a clear decision.
[00:08] <bodhi_zazen> [VOTE] BT forums ?
[00:08] <MootBot> Please vote on:  BT forums ?.
[00:08] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[00:08] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[00:08] <nhandler> -1
[00:08] <MootBot> -1 received from nhandler. 0 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -1
[00:08] <Joeb454> -1
[00:08] <PabloRubianes> -1
[00:08] <MootBot> -1 received from Joeb454. 0 for, 2 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -2
[00:08] <MootBot> -1 received from PabloRubianes. 0 for, 3 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -3
[00:08] <sblunix> +1
[00:08] <MootBot> +1 received from sblunix. 1 for, 3 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -2
[00:08] <bodhi_zazen> +0
[00:08] <MootBot> Abstention received from bodhi_zazen. 1 for, 3 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now -2
[00:08] <Silver-Fox-> +0
[00:08] <MootBot> Abstention received from Silver-Fox-. 1 for, 3 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now -2
[00:08] <drs305> -1
[00:08] <MootBot> -1 received from drs305. 1 for, 4 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now -3
[00:08] <starcraftman> I am neutral on this, I just don't see a real need.
[00:08] <starcraftman> +0
[00:08] <MootBot> Abstention received from starcraftman. 1 for, 4 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now -3
[00:08] <Buuntu1> +1
[00:08] <MootBot> +1 received from Buuntu1. 2 for, 4 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now -2
[00:08] <bodhi_zazen> Any additional votes ?
[00:09] <bodhi_zazen> [ENDVOTE]
[00:09] <MootBot> Final result is 2 for, 4 against. 3 abstained. Total: -2
[00:09] <sblunix> Oh well, idea tabled...
[00:09] <sblunix> 2nd order of business?
[00:09] <bodhi_zazen> Bodsda: is not here
[00:09] <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC] -offtopic channel ?
[00:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  -offtopic channel ?
[00:09] <bodhi_zazen> is our whole channel not off topic ???
[00:10] <Joeb454> who suggested the channel?
[00:10] <Silver-Fox-> I don't understand the need for another off topic channel.
[00:10] <bodhi_zazen> anyone want to discuss this agenda item >
[00:10] <Joeb454> I think the current channel is fine
[00:10] <bodhi_zazen> I woudl say -1 , I think we have enough channels
[00:10] <sblunix> I thought #ubuntu-beginners-help was the channel to help beginners, and #ubuntu-beginners was the team's off-topic/communication channel
[00:10] <Silver-Fox-> +1 Joeb454
[00:10] <sblunix> +1 Joeb454 bodhi_zazen
[00:10] <PabloRubianes> +1
[00:10] <Buuntu1> bodhi_zazen, I agree, #ubuntu-beginners is already pretty off-topic, I don't see the need for a whole separate channel
[00:10] <bodhi_zazen> [VOTE] Add another channel ???
[00:10] <Joeb454> I think the current channel serves well as a general "chat" channel
[00:10] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Add another channel ???.
[00:10] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[00:10] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[00:10] <bodhi_zazen> -1
[00:10] <MootBot> -1 received from bodhi_zazen. 0 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -1
[00:10] <sblunix> -1
[00:10] <Joeb454> -1
[00:10] <MootBot> -1 received from Joeb454. 0 for, 2 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -2
[00:10] <Silver-Fox-> -1
[00:10] <Buuntu1> -1
[00:11] <MootBot> -1 received from sblunix. 0 for, 3 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -3
[00:11] <nhandler> -1
[00:11] <starcraftman> I dunno, was the point to make ubuntu-beginners into more serious support channel, scrap help and make new "hang out " channel.
[00:11] <MootBot> -1 received from Silver-Fox-. 0 for, 4 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -4
[00:11] <MootBot> -1 received from Buuntu1. 0 for, 5 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -5
[00:11] <PabloRubianes> -1
[00:11] <MootBot> -1 received from nhandler. 0 for, 6 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -6
[00:11] <MootBot> -1 received from PabloRubianes. 0 for, 7 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -7
[00:11] <starcraftman> Just saying.
[00:11] <bodhi_zazen> Any additional votes ?
[00:11] <bodhi_zazen> [ENDVOTE]
[00:11] <MootBot> Final result is 0 for, 7 against. 0 abstained. Total: -7
[00:11] <sblunix> Well, I think we should just emphasize #ubuntu-beginners-help as a help channel, and keep #ubuntu-beginners as our team channel
[00:11] <starcraftman> Also, don't go so fast, I'm munching food here, takes my hands to eat.
[00:11] <bodhi_zazen> Saj0577 is not here ...
[00:12] <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC] Unified Newsletter (email) idea for the FGs.
[00:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Unified Newsletter (email) idea for the FGs.
[00:12] <Buuntu1> ubuntu-beginners-help has been pretty inactive recently
[00:12] <bodhi_zazen> starcraftman: poke =)
[00:12] <Silver-Fox-> Put the piza down starcraftman =]
[00:12] <starcraftman> bodhi_zazen, darn it I said slower!
[00:12] <sblunix> Newsletters for the Focus Groups?
[00:12] <ZachK_> +1
[00:12] <sblunix> Who would take the time to write them? Focus Group Heads?
[00:12] <stlsaint> sblunix: psst psst, we dont vote yet!! :D
[00:13] <bodhi_zazen> Shall we go to rocket and come back to you starcraftman ?
[00:13] <starcraftman> THe idea originally occured to me during the wiki fg meeting last week. Was just an idea to help promote events related to fgs. i.e. for wiki group to promote certain pages or maybe some sort of wiki related thing.
[00:13] <sblunix> stlsaint: psst, whoops, meh, I don't think anyone minds, my ideas are as good as anyones, I'm sure the team wouldn't mind my feedback
[00:13] <starcraftman> bodhi_zazen, nar, I'm noming in between typing.
[00:13] <ZachK_> sblunix: slow down buddy....
[00:14] <nhandler> One suggestion I had about this was that instead of having a separate newsletter, FGs could simply add news to the BT team report. That way, the team and the entire Ubuntu community would be able to see it
[00:14] <bodhi_zazen> How about if we roll the news letter idea into a team reports ?
[00:14] <sblunix> +1
[00:14] <bodhi_zazen> what nhandler said
[00:14] <Rocket2DMn> bodhi_zazen, please proceed, ill be back in a min
[00:15] <starcraftman> bodhi_zazen, sounds acceptable, I didn't really have a super strong opinion. Was just an idea.
[00:15] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn, make it fast min, your up next and we moving at light speed.
[00:15] <ZachK_> sounds like an excellent idea...
[00:15] <bodhi_zazen> It is a good idea, I think beefing up the monthly report would suffice =)
[00:15] <sblunix> I think that adding FG sections to the BT is a super-great idea :)
[00:15] <nhandler> I would be glad to help any FG leader add their news to the Team Report if they want.
[00:16] <bodhi_zazen> nhandler: you ready ?
[00:16] <nhandler> Sure
[00:16] <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC] Require Padawans to subscribe to mailing list
[00:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  Require Padawans to subscribe to mailing list
[00:16] <bodhi_zazen> can we require this ?
[00:16] <bodhi_zazen> or strongly suggest =)
[00:16] <sblunix> Well, are all members subscribed?
[00:16] <ZachK_> bodhi_zazen: strongly suggest
[00:16] <nhandler> As most of you know, we are currently moving from lists.launchpad.net to lists.ubuntu.com
[00:16] <starcraftman> I added it to the join us page, so it is maditory.
[00:16] <sblunix> I mean, as a Padawan I subscribed to the mailing lists...
[00:16] <Silver-Fox-> This is about non members sblunix,  the Padawan
[00:17] <nhandler> lists.ubuntu.com has the benefit of allowing any user to subscribe to the mailing list, something LP did not allow
[00:17] <ZachK_> If i may speak?
[00:17] <starcraftman> I took care to note list is for members and nonmembers.
[00:17] <nhandler> All BT members should be subscribed to the mailing list, and I will be hunting any non-subscribers down over the next few weeks ;)
[00:17] <sblunix> Silver-Fox-, Well, I'm saying that if non-members are required to subscribe to the mailing list, why are members allowed to choose if they will or won't subscribe to the mailing list?
[00:18] <nhandler> I would like to propose that as part of the new member process, masters ensure that their padawans subscribe to the mailing list.
[00:18] <ZachK_> +1 nhandler
[00:18] <nhandler> sblunix: All members should be subscribed.
[00:18] <PabloRubianes> +1
[00:18] <sblunix> +1 nhandler
[00:18] <sblunix> nhandler, Well, that was my question.
[00:18] <nhandler> I will be taking care of getting all members subscribed. It will just take some time
[00:18] <starcraftman> sblunix, why would people choose not to be on list, not like the list used to spy on people.
[00:19] <sblunix> starcraftman, That's not the point, I was asking if All members were required to subscribe... maybe some ppl just aren't cool...
[00:19] <nhandler> [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-beginners
[00:19] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-beginners
[00:19] <nhandler> You can subscribe to the mailing list at the link above
[00:20] <sblunix> so...
[00:20] <bodhi_zazen> I am very neutral on this topic, the mailing list is not very active and
[00:20]  * bodhi_zazen hates requirements =)
[00:20] <starcraftman> sblunix, Well I assumed new mail list subscription was completely manditory, I put it on the paddy join page. Simple enough to do. And who's not cool that uses linux, HUH?
[00:20] <ZachK_> +1 starcraftman
[00:20] <sblunix> +1
[00:20] <ZachK_> ok...next topic?
[00:20] <Joeb454> I think it would be nice if the padawans were on the list, so I'd say encourage padawans, and require members :)
[00:20] <bodhi_zazen> +1 Joeb454
[00:20] <sblunix> +1 Joeb454
[00:20] <dvz-> bodhi_zazen: i agree with bodhi_zazen ...if it's not very active...are we trying to bring forth more "clutter" of things because we think they _may_ be used?
[00:21] <nhandler> Joeb454: I think Padawans should be required to subscribe by the time they are nominated for membership
[00:21] <dvz-> and in which case, who does the work ultimately end up falling upon when we deem it "necessary" or "implement it"?
[00:21] <ZachK_> +1 Joeb454 and bodhi_zazen
[00:21] <starcraftman> I just wish list was a bit more active, you have point bodhi_zazen . Does feel too quiet. Like calm before an alien invasion.
[00:21] <sblunix> dvz-, I *will* use them, I mean... Since the forums are tabled, mailing lists will be a big part of how I communicate to the BT
[00:21] <Joeb454> nhandler: that sounds reasonable :)
[00:21] <bodhi_zazen> LOL starcraftman
[00:21] <sblunix> starcraftman, the alien invasion is soon
[00:21] <nhandler> And the list does have activity. People really should use it more for agenda item discussions
[00:21] <Joeb454> starcraftman: start an email then
[00:22] <ZachK_> I would use the list...i'm just unsure how to...
[00:22] <Joeb454> I've recently changed my list subscriptions to gmail so I can reply from my phone when I'm out :)
[00:22] <starcraftman> Joeb454, egad! Brilliant!
[00:22] <sblunix> ZachK_: same issue here, do I just send an e-mail to some sort of e-mail address?
[00:22] <Silver-Fox-> Correct
[00:22] <ZachK_> sblunix: i don't know....ask
[00:22] <sblunix> What's the beginners team mailing list e-mail address?
[00:22] <bodhi_zazen> [VOTE] mailing list - encourage padawan require members =)
[00:22] <MootBot> Please vote on:  mailing list - encourage padawan require members =).
[00:22] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[00:22] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[00:22] <nhandler> ZachK_ and sblunix: You simply send a message to ubuntu-beginners@lists.ubuntu.com
[00:22] <Silver-Fox-> +1
[00:22] <MootBot> +1 received from Silver-Fox-. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[00:22] <bodhi_zazen> +1
[00:22] <MootBot> +1 received from bodhi_zazen. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[00:22] <Rocket2DMn> +1
[00:22] <MootBot> +1 received from Rocket2DMn. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[00:22] <Joeb454> +1
[00:22] <MootBot> +1 received from Joeb454. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[00:23] <PabloRubianes> +1
[00:23] <dvz-> 0
[00:23] <MootBot> +1 received from PabloRubianes. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[00:23] <starcraftman> +1
[00:23] <MootBot> +1 received from starcraftman. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6
[00:23] <MootBot> Private +1 vote received. 7 for, 0 against, 0 have abstained. Count is now 7
[00:23] <ZachK_> +1
[00:23] <MootBot> +1 received from ZachK_. 8 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 8
[00:23] <nhandler> +1
[00:23] <MootBot> +1 received from nhandler. 9 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 9
[00:23] <dvz-> +0
[00:23] <MootBot> Abstention received from dvz-. 9 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 9
[00:23] <bodhi_zazen> Any additional votes ?
[00:23] <bodhi_zazen> [ENDVOTE]
[00:23] <MootBot> Final result is 9 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 9
[00:23] <Joeb454> sblunix: ubuntu-beginners@lists.ubuntu.com is the address I believe
[00:23] <nhandler> Although I do think it would be easier to shift the requirement to being subscribed by the time you are nominated for membership ;)
[00:23] <bodhi_zazen> Rocket2DMn: your up =)
[00:23] <nhandler> Correct Joeb454
[00:23] <starcraftman> sblunix, and ZachK_ , please see the link nhandler provided up top. To use the list ya first get added, then send to > ubuntu-beginners@lists.ubuntu.com.  The list is open, so ya can send even without being subscirbed but then ya wouldn't get anything back.
[00:24] <Rocket2DMn> cool, sorry I'm late guys, I just walked in the door
[00:24] <Joeb454> nhandler: we can leave that down to the masters :)
[00:24] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn, Your just on time, as always. Except I didn't say your name this time.
[00:24] <sblunix> starcraftman: I've already added myself
[00:24] <ZachK_> starcraftman: sent in request
[00:24] <nhandler> starcraftman: If you are not subscribed, I need to moderate the message firs t;)
[00:24] <Rocket2DMn> I just wanted to let the team know that starcraftman is now in charge of the Wiki FG, I stepped down a few weeks ago.
[00:24] <starcraftman> sblunix, k then, just send to that link.
[00:24] <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC]Wiki FG leadership transfer
[00:24] <MootBot> New Topic: Wiki FG leadership transfer
[00:24] <Silver-Fox-> All hail starcraftman
[00:25] <stlsaint> W00T Silver-Fox-
[00:25] <Rocket2DMn> Group members approved of starcraftman for leadership, so he's the go-to guy now :)
[00:25] <bodhi_zazen> Rocket2DMn: =0
[00:25] <stlsaint> oopps W00T starcraftman
[00:25]  * starcraftman dons his space suit crown.
[00:25] <ZachK_> +1 FOR STARCRAFTMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!
[00:25] <bodhi_zazen> w00t starcraftman =)
[00:25]  * starcraftman waves to wiki subjects.
[00:25] <Rocket2DMn> Of course, I'll still be around and participating, I wanted to give somebody else a chance and hopefully free up some more time for myself
[00:25] <bodhi_zazen> thank you Rocket2DMn for your previous work
[00:25] <ZachK_> where is Saj0577?
[00:25] <bodhi_zazen> your time and energy is greatly appreciated
[00:25] <starcraftman> ZachK_, Zergs got him clearly.
[00:25] <Joeb454> +1 bodhi_zazen - the summer of documentation was always good
[00:25] <Rocket2DMn> Sure thing, and btw, starcraftman is also on the ubuntu-doc-wiki-admins team now, too
[00:26] <ZachK_> starcraftman: evidently
[00:26] <Silver-Fox-> I really enjoyed the Summer.
[00:26] <Rocket2DMn> so congrats to starcraftman :)
[00:26] <nhandler> o/
[00:26]  * sblunix applauds
[00:26] <starcraftman> Yup. Anyone need admining I can help, though still not used my power much.
[00:26] <bodhi_zazen> w00t - another step in BT world domination ?
[00:26] <Rocket2DMn> lol thank you thank you, i accept donations ...
[00:26] <starcraftman> Can't be tempted.....
[00:26] <Rocket2DMn> no j/k, go ahead nhandler
[00:26] <sblunix> next topic?
[00:26] <starcraftman> bodhi_zazen, I can't comment one way or the other on that question.
[00:26] <nhandler> I just want to mention that duanedesign has also taken over the LP FG
[00:26] <bodhi_zazen> Next topic will be --- New Members ---
[00:27] <ZachK_> I believe the next topic is new members
[00:27] <Silver-Fox-> Hey,  I think I have been missed
[00:27] <ZachK_> [New Members]
[00:27] <Rocket2DMn> man you werent kidding when you said we're flying
[00:27] <Silver-Fox-> I have an item
[00:27] <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC]New Members
[00:27] <MootBot> New Topic: New Members
[00:27]  * sblunix believes Silver-Fox- has an item
[00:27] <bodhi_zazen> Silver-Fox-: after new members ?
[00:27] <Silver-Fox-> No
[00:27] <ZachK_> bodhi_zazen: Silver-Fox- its before
[00:27] <bodhi_zazen> ok, if you instist
[00:27] <Silver-Fox-> Before. No matter though
[00:27] <starcraftman> Hehe
[00:28] <Silver-Fox-> No,  carry on
[00:28] <Silver-Fox-> =]
[00:28] <bodhi_zazen> >_<
[00:28] <starcraftman> hahaha
[00:28] <sblunix> .....
[00:28]  * ZachK_ chuckles
[00:28] <bodhi_zazen> lets See ....
[00:28]  * sblunix ...
[00:28] <bodhi_zazen> stlsaint: poke =)
[00:28] <stlsaint> ohai
[00:28] <bodhi_zazen> who's your master ?
[00:28] <bodhi_zazen> lol
[00:28] <stlsaint> lol
[00:28] <dvz-> lol
[00:28] <bodhi_zazen> stlsaint: has gone the dark path =)
[00:28] <starcraftman> What? Someone talking? Who's that over there.
[00:28] <Silver-Fox-> Interesting...
[00:28] <ZachK_> stlsaint: is think it's his time to join us....
[00:28] <stlsaint> starcraftman: :P
[00:29] <ZachK_> stlsaint: CHOOSE THE SITH!!!!!
[00:29]  * sblunix is slightly worried
[00:29] <dvz-> choose the red pill...
[00:29] <bodhi_zazen> stlsaint: is a fast learner and about as geeky as they come
[00:29] <dvz-> or the blue pill.
[00:29] <stlsaint> bodhi_zazen: :D
[00:29] <Silver-Fox-> Hmm rasberry
[00:29] <bodhi_zazen> stlsaint: tell the rest of the team a little about yourself, wiki page ?
[00:30] <bgs100> dvz-, The purple pill! /me finds xkcd comic link
[00:30] <nhandler> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/stlsaint
[00:30] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/stlsaint
[00:30] <stlsaint> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/stlsaint
[00:30] <stlsaint> hi team
[00:30] <ZachK_> stlsaint: welcome...hehehe
[00:31] <sblunix> stlsaint, Quick Question:
[00:31] <sblunix> What does the "stl" in your name stand for?
[00:31] <stlsaint> i started using ubunt this year, found my way to UA then BT and been a paddy for about hmm,, few months, (Senior Paddy!!)
[00:31] <duanedesign> i think stlsaint is a dedicated contributer to the team and community at large. He will make a fine represenative of our team
[00:31] <stlsaint> sblunix: Saint Louis
[00:31] <ZachK_> +1 to duanedesign
[00:31] <PabloRubianes> and he is a crazy nice guy!
[00:31] <stlsaint> PabloRubianes: duanedesign thx fellas
[00:31] <bodhi_zazen> [VOTE] stlsaint for membership ?
[00:31] <MootBot> Please vote on:  stlsaint for membership ?.
[00:31] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[00:31] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[00:32] <sblunix> stlsaint, I live in Saint Louis also
[00:32] <bodhi_zazen> +1
[00:32] <MootBot> +1 received from bodhi_zazen. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[00:32] <nhandler> +1
[00:32] <MootBot> +1 received from nhandler. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[00:32] <starcraftman> stlsaint, The only question that matters -in deciding my vote - is if I and bodhi were in a fight to the death, who's side would ya be on? :p
[00:32] <Silver-Fox-> +1
[00:32] <PabloRubianes> +1
[00:32] <bgs100> +!
[00:32] <MootBot> +1 received from PabloRubianes. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[00:32] <MootBot> +1 received from Silver-Fox-. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[00:32] <dvz-> +1
[00:32] <ZachK_> +1
[00:32] <MootBot> +1 received from dvz-. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[00:32] <MootBot> +1 received from ZachK_. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6
[00:32] <bgs100> +1
[00:32] <MootBot> +1 received from bgs100. 7 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 7
[00:32] <bgs100> Whoops
[00:32] <duanedesign> +1
[00:32] <MootBot> +1 received from duanedesign. 8 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 8
[00:32] <starcraftman> Darn, my timing off. Too much eating I guess.
[00:32] <Rocket2DMn> +1
[00:32] <MootBot> +1 received from Rocket2DMn. 9 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 9
[00:32] <bodhi_zazen> any additional votes ?
[00:32] <starcraftman> +1
[00:32] <dvz-> I think stlsaint has the drive and dedication to push himself and to expand his horizons...esp. in -dev
[00:32] <MootBot> +1 received from starcraftman. 10 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 10
[00:32] <bodhi_zazen> [ENDVOTE]
[00:32] <sblunix> can I +1?
[00:32] <MootBot> Final result is 10 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 10
[00:32] <bodhi_zazen> w00t
[00:32] <bodhi_zazen> welcome stlsaint
[00:32] <ZachK_> sblunix: no
[00:32] <duanedesign> \o/
[00:33] <starcraftman> stlsaint, I'll pick up my bribe later :)
[00:33] <nhandler> Congrats starcraftman
[00:33] <bgs100> stlsaint, Congratulations!!!!
[00:33] <nhandler> err stlsaint
[00:33] <ZachK_> sblunix: you're not yet a team member
[00:33] <PabloRubianes> congrats stlsaint!!!
[00:33] <bodhi_zazen> tab fail
[00:33] <drs305> +1
[00:33] <stlsaint> :D
[00:33] <ZachK_> tab fail nhandler?
[00:33] <starcraftman> nhandler, oh nice.
[00:33] <bgs100> stlsaint, Welcome to them team :D
[00:33] <dvz-> grats stlsaint
[00:33] <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC] sblunix for membership
[00:33] <MootBot> New Topic:  sblunix for membership
[00:33] <ZachK_> I'm standing for talsemgeest
[00:33] <bodhi_zazen> sblunix: he has a very geeky avatar =)
[00:33] <stlsaint> bgs100: thanks
[00:33] <stlsaint> thank you all
[00:33] <ZachK_> welcome Finally stlsaint
[00:33] <dvz-> geeky ava?  +1 automatically
[00:33] <bodhi_zazen> sblunix: tell us about yourself, wiki page ?
[00:33] <bgs100> You are very welcome :)
[00:33] <sblunix> oh mon dieu
[00:34] <sblunix> One second
[00:34] <nhandler> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/sblunix
[00:34] <ZachK_> [Link]mailto:ubuntu-beginners@lists.ubuntu.com
[00:34] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/sblunix
[00:34] <MootBot> LINK received: mailto:ubuntu-beginners@lists.ubuntu.com
[00:34] <sblunix> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/sblunix
[00:34] <ZachK_> dang...wrong one
[00:35] <ZachK_> sblunix: tell us about yur self
[00:35] <PabloRubianes> don't be shy
[00:35] <sblunix> OK
[00:35] <sblunix> Wells
[00:36] <sblunix> I live in Saint Louis (apparently along with stlsaint
[00:36] <sblunix> I've been a Linux fan since 2007 and an ubuntu fan for almost as long
[00:36] <sblunix> I've been with Ubuntu since 8.04 and I never Realized that there was such a great community for ubuntu
[00:36] <sblunix> I'm fluent in English, French, and Bulgarian as well as Python, Java, Javascript and C++
[00:37] <ZachK_> sblunix: well nice to have you.....just don't let starcraftman corrupt you!
[00:37] <ZachK_> kidding starcraftman =)
[00:37] <bodhi_zazen> sblunix: is simply awesome with the gimp and will make us all look better =)
[00:37] <starcraftman> ZachK_, I what? Corrupt? I'm the nice innocent Canadian!!!
[00:37] <sblunix> I love to learn and I love to help others
[00:37] <ZachK_> lol at starcraftman
[00:37] <sblunix> oh yeah, and the logo on my wiki was made using GIMP! <3
[00:37]  * sblunix loves GIMP
[00:37] <dvz-> bodhi_zazen: i don't there there is any help for me in gimp...even with sblunix's expertise.
[00:37] <bodhi_zazen> [VOTE] sblunix for membership ?!?
[00:37] <MootBot> Please vote on:  sblunix for membership ?!?.
[00:37] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[00:37] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[00:37] <bodhi_zazen> +2
[00:37] <Silver-Fox-> +1
[00:37] <nhandler> +1
[00:37] <MootBot> +1 received from Silver-Fox-. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[00:37] <MootBot> +1 received from nhandler. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[00:37] <bodhi_zazen> +1
[00:37] <MootBot> +1 received from bodhi_zazen. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[00:37] <bodhi_zazen> lol
[00:37] <bgs100> +1
[00:37] <MootBot> +1 received from bgs100. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[00:38] <ZachK_> +1
[00:38] <MootBot> +1 received from ZachK_. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[00:38] <Rocket2DMn> +1
[00:38] <Joeb454> +1
[00:38] <MootBot> +1 received from Joeb454. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6
[00:38] <starcraftman> sblunix, awesome, I need to play more with GIMP, kinda dropped off since been back at uni.
[00:38] <sblunix> I <3 +1s
[00:38] <MootBot> +1 received from Rocket2DMn. 7 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 7
[00:38] <dvz-> +1
[00:38] <MootBot> +1 received from dvz-. 8 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 8
[00:38] <dvz-> -1
[00:38] <starcraftman> +1
[00:38] <MootBot> +1 received from starcraftman. 9 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 9
[00:38] <bgs100> sblunix, :)
[00:38] <sblunix> :(
[00:38] <ZachK_> +1
[00:38] <dvz-> :-P
[00:38] <Silver-Fox-> Hehe
[00:38] <sblunix> :P
[00:38] <bgs100> dvz-, *GASSPP*
[00:38]  * sblunix faints
[00:38] <dvz-> bgs100: what?
[00:38] <bodhi_zazen> Any additional votes ?
[00:38] <ZachK_> dvz-: what?
[00:38] <bodhi_zazen> [ENDVOTE]
[00:38] <MootBot> Final result is 9 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 9
[00:39] <bodhi_zazen> w00t welcome sblunix
[00:39] <sblunix> ... so I guess there's always next time :
[00:39] <Joeb454> 'grats
[00:39] <sblunix> ... so I guess there's always next time :'(
[00:39] <Silver-Fox-> well done
[00:39] <ZachK_> WELL COME SBLUNIX!!!!!!!!!!!
[00:39] <nhandler> Congrats sblunix
[00:39] <sblunix> :( is happy as a clam
[00:39] <sblunix> :)*
[00:39] <bodhi_zazen> next MsA =)
[00:39] <sblunix> (clams are happy right)
[00:39] <bgs100> Lol
[00:39] <dvz-> how happy is a clam in that contradiction?
[00:39] <bgs100> sblunix, CONGRATS
[00:39] <sblunix> bgs100 TYVM!
[00:39] <starcraftman> bodhi_zazen, forest nor D seem about though.
[00:39] <sblunix> also all TYVM
[00:39] <sblunix> :D :D :D
[00:39] <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC] Ms-Angel for menbership ?
[00:39] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ms-Angel for menbership ?
[00:40] <Joeb454> I have to go, sorry. Night guys
[00:40] <ZachK_> nope..no forest or ms-angel
[00:40] <bgs100> It's a new member INVASSIIOONN
[00:40] <Silver-Fox-> It is 00:41 AM in the UK
[00:40] <bodhi_zazen> MsA, as she is known by the lazy typers, is simply awesome
[00:40] <Joeb454> and for the record - I'd +1 MsAngel's membership
[00:40] <bodhi_zazen> she is too shy to show up for the vote mind you
[00:40] <ZachK_> same here
[00:40] <Silver-Fox-> you are not likely to see forest at this ungodly hour
[00:40] <Silver-Fox-> ;)
[00:40] <ZachK_> +1
[00:40] <starcraftman> Silver-Fox-, well... your on.
[00:40] <dvz-> let's just +1 her and tell her she didn't get in?
[00:41] <dvz-> then kid her and kick her with v
[00:41] <Silver-Fox-> So,  I am always here starcraftman =]
[00:41] <dvz-> :-P
[00:41] <sblunix> ...
[00:41] <bodhi_zazen> [LINK]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/mrsangeld
[00:41] <MootBot> LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/mrsangeld
[00:41] <bodhi_zazen> [VOTE] Ms_Angel_D for assimilation ?
[00:41] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Ms_Angel_D for assimilation ?.
[00:41] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[00:41] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[00:41] <Silver-Fox-> +1
[00:41] <bodhi_zazen> +1
[00:41] <MootBot> +1 received from Silver-Fox-. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[00:41] <MootBot> +1 received from bodhi_zazen. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[00:41] <nhandler> +0
[00:41] <MootBot> Abstention received from nhandler. 2 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2
[00:41] <ZachK_> +1
[00:41] <MootBot> +1 received from ZachK_. 3 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 3
[00:42] <starcraftman> +0
[00:42] <MootBot> Abstention received from starcraftman. 3 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 3
[00:42] <dvz-> +1
[00:42] <sblunix> OMGeezles
[00:42] <MootBot> +1 received from dvz-. 4 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 4
[00:42] <MootBot> Private -1 vote received. 4 for, 1 against, 2 have abstained. Count is now 3
[00:42] <sblunix> I'm a member
[00:42] <sblunix> I can vote
[00:42] <PabloRubianes> +0
[00:42] <MootBot> Abstention received from PabloRubianes. 4 for, 1 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now 3
[00:42] <Rocket2DMn> +1
[00:42] <MootBot> +1 received from Rocket2DMn. 5 for, 1 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now 4
[00:42] <ZachK_> yes sblunix
[00:42] <sblunix> +0
[00:42] <MootBot> Abstention received from sblunix. 5 for, 1 against. 4 have abstained. Count is now 4
[00:42] <bgs100> +1
[00:42] <MootBot> +1 received from bgs100. 6 for, 1 against. 4 have abstained. Count is now 5
[00:42] <bodhi_zazen> Any additional votes ?
[00:42] <bodhi_zazen> [ENDVOTE]
[00:42] <MootBot> Final result is 6 for, 1 against. 4 abstained. Total: 5
[00:42] <bodhi_zazen> any additional topics ?
[00:43] <bodhi_zazen> congrats new members !!!
[00:43] <ZachK_> shall i update bt meeting page?
[00:43] <sblunix> Didn't Silver-Fox- have soemthing?
[00:43] <Silver-Fox-> Me bodhi_zazen
[00:43] <bodhi_zazen> please contact me so I may add you to the LP team
[00:43] <nhandler> ZachK_: Rocket2DMn normally handles that
[00:43] <starcraftman> I also got a few quick notes after silver
[00:43] <nhandler> bodhi_zazen: I've added them already to the LP team
[00:43] <ZachK_> Rocket2DMn:
[00:43] <Rocket2DMn> ZachK_, please dont, we have to pull material off of it first
[00:43] <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC] What Silver-Fox- said
[00:43] <MootBot> New Topic:  What Silver-Fox- said
[00:43] <bodhi_zazen> thanks nhandler
[00:43]  * sblunix is listening intently
[00:43] <Rocket2DMn> ZachK_, if you want i'll let you update it when i get what i need, but i have to wait for logs to be uploaded first
[00:44] <ZachK_> Rocket2DMn: k
[00:44] <Silver-Fox-> IRC FG is going to hold another meeting.  Need input on a good day to hold it on.  Will fg members please fill in this poll:  http://www.doodle.com/i587anars2qthsty
[00:44] <bodhi_zazen> Silver-Fox-: poke , don't be shy  =)
[00:44] <Silver-Fox-> [LINK] http://www.doodle.com/i587anars2qthsty
[00:44] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://www.doodle.com/i587anars2qthsty
[00:44] <Silver-Fox-> I have put it on the mailing list,  but not all are active on that.
[00:44] <Silver-Fox-> This is just covering all the bases
[00:44] <Silver-Fox-> I am done bodhi_zazen.
[00:44] <bodhi_zazen> Any other topics ?
[00:44] <starcraftman> I had fwe quick things
[00:45] <bodhi_zazen> Anybody think the meeting was too fast ?
[00:45] <drs305> Nope.
[00:45] <bodhi_zazen> =)
[00:45] <starcraftman> bodhi_zazen, wait up.
[00:45]  * sblunix actually has something
[00:45] <bodhi_zazen> OK, go starcraftman
[00:45] <bodhi_zazen> then sblunix
[00:45] <starcraftman> I r so slow today, or at least feel like it.
[00:45]  * bodhi_zazen drank too much coffee =)
[00:45] <ZachK_> speak sblunix
[00:45] <sblunix> Oh
[00:45] <sblunix> I go
[00:45] <sblunix> I thought it was starcraftman
[00:46] <bodhi_zazen> starcraftman: you done ?
[00:46] <bodhi_zazen> he is typing
[00:46] <bodhi_zazen> slowly
[00:46] <bodhi_zazen> go ahead sblunix
[00:46] <bodhi_zazen> if you can get a word in that is
[00:46] <bodhi_zazen> =)
[00:46] <ZachK_> sblunix:.......
[00:46] <sblunix> Ok
[00:46] <sblunix> Well
[00:46]  * bodhi_zazen listens to crickets chirping
[00:46] <sblunix> I just saw what Silver-Fox- just posted for the IRC FG
[00:47] <sblunix> some sort of "when are people available" poll
[00:47] <sblunix> Wouldn't that be a good idea for actual BT meetings too?
[00:47] <ZachK_> sblunix: yes and?
[00:47] <starcraftman> I wanted to note, the mentor list on > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Padawan< has gotten a bit long. I think there's some inactive on there, and not all prolly wanna be mentors. It's not supposed to be a general members list at least imo. Just noting.
[00:47] <bodhi_zazen> yes, we did that a short time ago and are alternating times of the meeting bi-monthly
[00:48]  * Silver-Fox- is glad that was sorted =]
[00:48] <sblunix> starcraftman: Oh I thought the Master list was a general members list...
[00:48] <bodhi_zazen> sblunix: this time slot alt 2 hours earlier
[00:48] <sblunix> hmm
[00:48] <starcraftman> sblunix, well it's for paddys and mentors, but once ya make member ya should only be on it imo if ya wanna mentor.
[00:48] <ZachK_> sblunix: no...really i believe paultag has to approve
[00:49] <ZachK_> and bodhi_zazen usually gives his blessing first
[00:49] <sblunix> :) oh? Buddhists give blessings?
[00:50]  * Silver-Fox- makes note to actually ask
[00:50] <Silver-Fox-> =]
[00:50] <bodhi_zazen> Only the self depreciation ones sblunix
[00:50] <ZachK_> ok...is that it?
[00:50] <bodhi_zazen> Any other topics ?
[00:50] <starcraftman> Only other thing to add is short announcement, I was thinking of going for Ubuntu membership sometime in near future. Anyone wanting to give testimonial on my page, I'd be obliged. I'm sure everyone knows where it is.
[00:50] <ZachK_> [TOPIC]No topics?
[00:50] <starcraftman> bodhi_zazen, That's last thing I got.
[00:50] <Silver-Fox-> The internets starcraftman?
[00:50] <bodhi_zazen> #endmeeting
[00:50] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 18:50.
[00:50] <ZachK_> starcraftman: you know i will nominate you
[00:50] <sblunix> GTG Now
[00:51] <sblunix> see you all tomorrow
[00:51] <sblunix> :)
[00:51] <starcraftman> sblunix, bye
[00:51] <Silver-Fox-> Oh yes,  while we are all here.  Thank you to all
[00:51] <sblunix> thanks all
[00:51] <Silver-Fox-> It was nice to see such support
[00:51] <ZachK_> your welcome Silver-Fox-
[00:52] <starcraftman> ZachK_, well, can't really nominate me, ya nominate yourself for consideration. Testimonials on page helps or at meeting in person.
[00:52] <ZachK_> starcraftman: i meant a testimonial
[00:52] <starcraftman> ZachK_, kk, I was just being maximum verbose/correct :)
[13:57] <zul> morning
[13:58] <smoser> yo
[13:59] <nijaba> o/
[13:59] <mathiaz>  /o\
[14:00] <Daviey> \o
[14:00] <mathiaz> let
[14:00] <mathiaz> 's get started
[14:00] <mathiaz> #startmeeting
[14:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 08:00. The chair is mathiaz.
[14:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[14:01] <mathiaz> Welcome to the first Lucid server team meeting!
[14:01] <mathiaz> There should be many more of these in the months to come
[14:01] <mathiaz> Today's agenda:
[14:01] <mathiaz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[14:01] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[14:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[14:02] <mathiaz> kirkland to finish adapting help.ubuntu.com VM recipe(s?) to use libvirt
[14:02] <mathiaz> nurmi to investigate bug 455625
[14:02] <soren> o/
[14:02] <mathiaz> ttx to create wiki page for 10.04 input from server team (Done)
[14:03] <soren> URL?
[14:03] <mathiaz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/LucidIdeaPool
[14:03] <soren> We can still add stuff to that page, right?
[14:04] <mathiaz> soren: yes!
[14:04] <soren> Whoo!
[14:04] <smoser> how does that page jive with blueprints / uds ?
[14:04] <mathiaz> smoser: points on this page should be turned into blueprints
[14:04] <zul> uh....i started mine
[14:04] <smoser> thats what i thought.
[14:05] <soren> zul: What do you mean?
[14:05] <mathiaz> smoser: blueprints will be selected by mdz and schedule for a session during UDS
[14:05] <zul> soren: started blueprints
[14:05] <mathiaz> smoser: where they will be discussed and the scope for Lucid will be defined
[14:05] <smoser> thanks mathiaz
[14:05] <soren> mathiaz: So this time, we'll just create placeholder blueprints for everything in that page (roughly)?
[14:06] <mathiaz> soren: right - I'd suggest to try to cluster some of the points in blueprints
[14:06] <mathiaz> soren: as some of the points cover the same topics
[14:06] <soren> mathiaz: Do we know how many sessions we need to fill this time?
[14:06] <mathiaz> soren: IIRC there will two tracks again
[14:06]  * soren grumbles
[14:06] <mathiaz> soren: so as many as last time
[14:07] <soren> In that case, i doubt we'll need to cluster anything.
[14:07] <soren> Seriously, there was like a million session in Barcelona.
[14:07] <mathiaz> robbiew: around? could you confirm this^^?
[14:07] <mathiaz> soren: right.
[14:08] <mathiaz> soren: that being said the goal is LTS - so keep this is mind when creating blueprints
[14:08] <soren> It was difficult to fill that many sessions, and even harder to actually be in two places at once for an entire week.
[14:08] <zul> and no crack ;)
[14:09] <soren> We can't fill 40 sessions without crack. :)
[14:09] <soren> Or 50. Or a million or however many it is.
[14:09]  * soren is a grumpy, old man today.
[14:10] <mathiaz> ok - anything else to add to the preparation for Lucid?
[14:10]  * nijaba wonders what he is, if soren considers himself old
[14:10] <smoser> i consider soren old
[14:10] <soren> nijaba: I'm too polite to say :)
[14:10] <mathiaz> ok - let's move on then.
[14:11] <nijaba> :P
[14:11] <zul> soren: im not :)
[14:11] <smoser> soren's manners came with age
[14:11] <mathiaz> kirkland and nurmi don't seem to be around
[14:11] <mathiaz> [ACTION] kirkland to finish adapting help.ubuntu.com VM recipe(s?) to use libvirt
[14:11] <MootBot> ACTION received:  kirkland to finish adapting help.ubuntu.com VM recipe(s?) to use libvirt
[14:11] <mathiaz> [ACTION] nurmi to investigate bug 455625
[14:11] <MootBot> ACTION received:  nurmi to investigate bug 455625
[14:11] <smoser> i dont know that kirkland has shown himself, and remember i think he had conflicts
[14:11] <mathiaz> anything else to with regard to last week meeting?
[14:11] <kirkland> pretty much done
[14:12] <kirkland> mathiaz: no
[14:12] <mathiaz> kirkland: oh you're here - sorry for stating otherwise
[14:12] <mathiaz> kirkland: what's the url of the VM recipes?
[14:12] <mathiaz> kirkland: on help.ubuntu.com?
[14:13] <kirkland> mathiaz: one sec
[14:14] <kirkland> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/VirtManager
[14:14] <kirkland> mathiaz: i still need to do one for virsh
[14:15] <mathiaz> [ACTION] kirkland to add a recipe covering virsh to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/VirtManager
[14:15] <MootBot> ACTION received:  kirkland to add a recipe covering virsh to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/VirtManager
[14:15] <mathiaz> anything else to add related to last week meeting?
[14:16] <mathiaz> nope - let's move on then.
[14:16] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Assigned and to-be-assigned bugs
[14:16] <mathiaz> http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-server-assigned-bug-tasks.html
[14:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  Assigned and to-be-assigned bugs
[14:16] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-server-assigned-bug-tasks.html
[14:16] <robbiew> mathiaz: soren: ack...2 rooms per product track
[14:17] <mathiaz> how is everyone doing with their assigned bug?
[14:17] <zul> mathiaz: been slow
[14:17] <soren> mathiaz: poorly.
[14:17] <soren> I have a good excuse though.
[14:17] <soren> I suck.
[14:17] <mathiaz> zul: soren: any blockers?
[14:17] <mathiaz> (other then time)
[14:17] <zul> mathiaz: nope
[14:18]  * nijaba thinks that if soren sucks, he does that well...
[14:18] <soren> Not per se.
[14:19] <mathiaz> ok - let's move on to the next list:
[14:19] <mathiaz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~canonical-server/+assignedbugs
[14:19] <mathiaz> there is one: 439566
[14:19] <mathiaz> bug 439566
[14:20] <mathiaz> does it make sense?
[14:20] <zul> kind of just adding it to the seed?
[14:20] <mathiaz> well - if it's a good idea to have it added to the seed
[14:21] <mathiaz> need to make sure it doesn't any pull any GUI stuff though
[14:21] <Daviey> sure that is a "nice have", but is it SRU worthy?
[14:21] <mathiaz> Daviey: oh no - not for karmic
[14:21] <Daviey> oh
[14:21] <mathiaz> Daviey: we're looking at Lucid here
[14:21]  * Daviey needs to listen faster
[14:22] <nijaba> Daviey: SRU is next subject
[14:22] <zul> mathiaz: doesnt look like it
[14:22] <soren> I'm not entirely sure I think it belongs in standard.
[14:23] <soren> I'm also not sure I care enough to argue over it.
[14:23] <mathiaz> soren: is this something that should be discussed with the fondations team?
[14:23] <soren> Perhaps.
[14:24] <Daviey> if it's ubuntu-standard, surely it is foundations remit... if we are talking about adding it to the server seed, then it's here (IMO)
[14:24] <soren> I'm not sure... When you choose the minimal install thing on the server CD, do you get ubuntu-standard or ubuntu-minimal?
[14:24] <mathiaz> soren: -minimal IIRC
[14:24] <soren> mathiaz: Ok. Then I don't care :)
[14:25] <mathiaz> zul: could you take care of this?
[14:25] <zul> add it to the server seed? yep
[14:25] <smoser> mathiaz, where does that list come from ?
[14:26] <mathiaz> smoser: which list?
[14:26] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~canonical-server/+assignedbugs
[14:26] <smoser> is it just bugs that are manually assigned to server team?
[14:26] <mathiaz> smoser: yes
[14:27] <mathiaz> ok - anything else to add on your assigned bugs?
[14:28] <ScottK> mathiaz: I'll mention again here that it looks like courier is pretty badly broken at the moment and in need of at least a serious triage effort.
[14:28] <ScottK> It looks pretty certain that there are SRU worth bugs.
[14:29] <mathiaz> ScottK: ok. Thanks for mentionning this.
[14:29] <mathiaz> Any help in that area is welcome!
[14:29] <mathiaz> That leads us to the next topic:
[14:29] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Weekly SRU review
[14:29] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly SRU review
[14:29] <smoser> i hope to poke on bug 461156 or at least poke the euca folks sometime today
[14:30] <mathiaz> smoser: great - seems like it's blocked on upstream
[14:30] <mathiaz> smoser: to get the fix for the REST/SOAP interface on the server side
[14:30] <smoser> well, either i need to just fix it or ask nicely.
[14:31] <smoser> just a bug in the REST interface on server side. (well, after you fix the bug in the client too)
[14:31] <mathiaz> on the topic of SRU, there is an eucalyptus SRU in the pipeline
[14:31] <kirkland> mathiaz: i did some testing
[14:31] <kirkland> mathiaz: and i've added sru test instructions to a couple of the bug descriptions
[14:31] <kirkland> mathiaz: so far so good here, on the ppa package
[14:32] <mathiaz> testing the packages using the following PPA is welcome: https://launchpad.net/~mathiaz/+archive/eucalyptus
[14:32] <mathiaz> kirkland: great - thanks
[14:32] <mathiaz> any help in testing out these SRU is welcome
[14:33] <mathiaz> I'll wait at least until tomorrow for ttx comeback
[14:33] <jsalisbury> mathiaz: I can put this on my test systems and give them a go.
[14:33] <mathiaz> he should be able to perform some testing as well
[14:33] <mathiaz> jsalisbury: that would be very helpfull
[14:34] <mathiaz> let's move on to the bug lists review
[14:34] <mathiaz> http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html
[14:34] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html
[14:34] <mathiaz> anything SRU worthy on these?
[14:34] <zul> nope
[14:34] <mathiaz> kirkland: bug 379991?
[14:35] <mathiaz> zul: bug 254375?
[14:35]  * kirkland looks
[14:35] <mathiaz> zul: bug 234302?
[14:35] <kirkland> mathiaz: i haven't been able to reproduce this one
[14:35] <kirkland> has anyone here been able to?
[14:36] <zul> mathiaz: i think I did before long time ago and its supposedly fixed now
[14:36] <mathiaz> zul: you did what on which bug?
[14:37] <zul> on bug number 234027
[14:37] <mathiaz> kirkland: ok - if it can't be easily reproduced and there isn't a clear patch
[14:37] <kirkland> mathiaz: i marked the linux task invalid
[14:38] <kirkland> mathiaz: and i think the kvm one is fix-released, with our kvm meta package
[14:38] <mathiaz> kirkland: ok so nothing to be done on the SRU front
[14:38] <ScottK> For SRU stuff, I'm working on Bug 473707 for Jaunty and Karmic.  Dapper/Hardy/Intrepid will get it in backports.
[14:39] <mathiaz> ScottK: great - thanks
[14:39] <mathiaz> no more bugs on the previous list. let's move on
[14:39] <mathiaz> the dapper nominated list is empty
[14:40] <mathiaz> as well as hardy
[14:40] <mathiaz> and intrepid
[14:40] <mathiaz> and jaunty
[14:40] <mathiaz> and there is a bunch of them for karmic
[14:40] <zul> url?
[14:41] <mathiaz> http://tinyurl.com/yz2y6cc
[14:41] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://tinyurl.com/yz2y6cc
[14:41] <mathiaz> kirkland: bug 404394
[14:41] <mathiaz> which one should be accepted for SRU in karmic?
[14:41] <kirkland> mathiaz: this is not a bug in karmic
[14:42] <kirkland> mathiaz: this is fixed in karmic
[14:42] <kirkland> mathiaz: possibly needs to be SRUd to jaunty + hardy-backports and intrepid-backports
[14:42] <mathiaz> kirkland: could you update the bug status then?
[14:42] <kirkland> okay
[14:42] <mathiaz> smoser: bug 429169?
[14:43] <mathiaz> zul: bug 286119?
[14:43] <smoser> mathiaz, ? what did you want there?
[14:43] <mathiaz> it seems that the rest of the bugs are not SRU worthy
[14:44] <mathiaz> smoser: is it a valid bug for a Karmic SRU?
[14:44] <zul> mathiaz: it should be fixed for karmic but ill double check
[14:44] <soren> A lot of the vmbuilder bugs that were closed recently were really fixed a long time ago. I've tried to go through the list and find stuff that was already fixed, so a lot of these (if not all) will already be in Karmic.
[14:44] <smoser> thats what i was thikning. thanks soren.
[14:45] <soren> Well, sure :) Sorry I haven't kept the list groomed as we went along.
[14:46] <mathiaz> smoser: ok - i've declined the bug for karmic then
[14:48] <mathiaz> ok - anything else on sru worthy bugs?
[14:48] <mathiaz> bug 450044
[14:48] <nijaba> mathiaz: I proposed this one
[14:48] <mathiaz> nijaba: ^^?
[14:48] <nijaba> mathiaz: it will hit anyone trying to rebndle a vol
[14:48] <mathiaz> smoser: is there a fix for it already?
[14:49] <nijaba> mathiaz: it is marked as fixed by Neil Soman
[14:49] <smoser> mathiaz, i dont know anything about that  bug.
[14:50] <nijaba> mathiaz: the reproduction instrutions are in the duplicate bug attached to it
[14:50] <nijaba> bug #458542
[14:51] <mathiaz> nijaba: ok - seems that it's SRU worthy if it breaks every rebundled image
[14:51] <nijaba> mathiaz: it does...
[14:52] <nijaba> and I think bug 470355 might be another duplicate
[14:52] <nijaba> but am unsure
[14:53] <mathiaz> nijaba: nominated/accepted for karmic
[14:53] <mathiaz> anything else to add on the potential SRU?
[14:53] <nijaba> mathiaz: thanks
[14:54] <smoser> i would highly doubt that 470355 is a dupe of 450044
[14:54] <mathiaz> http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/acceptedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html
[14:54] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/acceptedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html
[14:54] <mathiaz> This is the state of current assigned bug for SRU
[14:54] <smoser> you can (at least in ec2) bundle, upload, register *anything*. (seriously, i have registered /boot/config-2.6.31-10-generic)
[14:54] <mathiaz> the eucalyptus SRU is its way
[14:55] <mathiaz> kirkland: what about the qemu-kvm?
[14:55] <kirkland> mathiaz: it's in proposed
[14:55] <mathiaz> zul: and the other ones?
[14:55] <kirkland> mathiaz: all 3 bugs have been verification-done
[14:55] <mathiaz> zul: php samba net-snmp
[14:55] <kirkland> mathiaz: it's just incubating now
[14:55] <zul> mathiaz: i have to go through it today
[14:56] <mathiaz> zul: kirkland: great - things are rolling on the SRU front then
[14:56] <mathiaz> A reminder: we're trying to use package branches to handle the SRU process
[14:56] <mathiaz> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server/+activereviews <- is where SRU proposal should show up in the end
[14:57] <mathiaz> zul: has sbeattie been involved in the SRU review process?
[14:57] <zul> mathiaz: yes he has he reviewed the ipsec-tools one
[14:57] <mathiaz> ok - let's move on then
[14:57] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Open Discussion
[14:57] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion
[14:57] <mathiaz> anything else to add before we wrap up?
[14:58] <smoser> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEC/Images/NamingConvention is what we're following for publishing builds to e
[14:58] <smoser> c2 at the moment.  Of particular note is the 'removal policy' I recently got this together, and its now (I hope) in place.
[14:58] <smoser> In short, 5 builds of each release/arch are kept in 'testing' (daily builds).  When a build 'falls off', it is made private for 30 days before deletion.  This policy covers kernels and ramdisks in '-testing' also.
[14:58] <smoser> and i've turned 'daily' builds of karmic into twice weekly
[14:58] <zul> what about hardy daily?
[14:58] <smoser> :)
[14:59] <smoser> i turned that on
[14:59] <smoser> and hopefully we'll have a reasonable hardy build in testing tonight
[14:59] <smoser> but it will not have kernel/ramdisk associated with it. there is work i have to do to make that happen.
[15:00] <mathiaz> smoser: is this all automated?
[15:00] <smoser> so all you ec2 fans that are sticking with hardy may have a nice gift soon.
[15:00] <smoser> mathiaz, :)
[15:00] <smoser> yes. i do not wake up every night and do it myself.
[15:00] <soren> Slacker.
[15:00] <soren> :p
[15:00] <zul> then how do you sleep?
[15:00] <mathiaz> smoser: glad to hear that! ;)
[15:01] <mathiaz> smoser: are you looking for feedback on the EC2 process or it was just an announcement?
[15:02] <smoser> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-on-ec2/vmbuilder/automated-ec2-builds and https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-on-ec2/ubuntu-on-ec2/ec2-publishing-scripts
[15:02] <smoser> mathiaz, you're welcome to give feedback. i had sent to much smaller group rior to implementing it.
[15:03] <mathiaz> smoser: may be worth announcing on a blog
[15:03] <smoser> mathiaz, yeah.
[15:03] <mathiaz> great - anything else to add?
[15:04] <smoser> not here.
[15:04] <ScottK> Another topic for Lucid is spamassassin.
[15:04] <ScottK> They've gone over a year now without a new release.
[15:04] <smoser> but people should try our karmic builds on ec2. now at the low price of $0.085/hr.
[15:04] <mathiaz> ScottK: should we have a session about it at UDS?
[15:04] <ScottK> Do we leave it stale, switch to svn snapshot, is there something else that people use now?
[15:05] <zul> smoser: meh
[15:05] <ScottK> mathiaz: Yes, but we should do some investigation first.
[15:05] <smoser> if nothing else, the quick mirrors on ec2 are nice. downloads at > 10M/s
[15:05] <mathiaz> ScottK: agreed.
[15:06] <mathiaz> ScottK: registering a blueprint and starting a wiki page is the best way to go
[15:07]  * Daviey still has good hit success with repo spamassassin..
[15:07] <Daviey> Before considering upgrading to SVN snapshot, it would be well worth dicussing the issue with upstream IMO
[15:07] <ScottK> One thing we'll need if we switch to svn is someone who will pay close attention and test.
[15:08] <mathiaz> ok - time to wrap up as we're running out of time here
[15:08] <ScottK> Daviey: Are you interested in working on this?  Could you contact upstream?
[15:08] <Daviey> ScottK: wilco.
[15:08] <ScottK> Daviey: Thanks.
[15:08] <mathiaz> [ACTION] Daviey to investigate spamassassin status in lucid
[15:08] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Daviey to investigate spamassassin status in lucid
[15:08] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] # Agree on next meeting date and time
[15:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  # Agree on next meeting date and time
[15:08] <mathiaz> next week same time, same place?
[15:09] <Daviey> (whilst on this subject, can the fridge cal be updated?)
[15:10] <mathiaz> Daviey: right - there is still some disucssion about the new meeting time
[15:11] <mathiaz> may be worth waiting a bit
[15:11] <Daviey> mathiaz: sure, but the date has been wrong for a few weeks now :)
[15:11] <Daviey> it shouldn't take much for a fridge admin to update
[15:11] <mathiaz> Daviey: good pont.
[15:11] <mathiaz> Daviey: I'll take care of this.
[15:11] <Daviey> great, thanks :)
[15:11] <mathiaz> [ACTION] mathiaz to update the fridge
[15:11] <MootBot> ACTION received:  mathiaz to update the fridge
[15:12] <mathiaz> so - see you all same time, same place, next week
[15:12] <mathiaz> thanks for attending
[15:12] <Daviey> +1
[15:12] <mathiaz> #endmeeting
[15:12] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 09:12.
[15:59]  * robbiew waves
[16:00] <lool> Hey
[16:00] <mvo> hey
[16:00] <mvo> welcome lool!
[16:00] <robbiew> #startmeeting
[16:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:00. The chair is robbiew.
[16:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:00] <robbiew> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2009/1104#Agenda
[16:00] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2009/1104#Agenda
[16:01]  * robbiew apologizes for late agenda
[16:01] <lool> (/me is finishing his activity report  :-/  )
[16:01] <robbiew> yeah....I give everyone a pass on activity reports
[16:01] <robbiew> around release
[16:01] <robbiew> ;)
[16:01] <robbiew> if you get them in...great!
[16:01] <robbiew> if not...I understand ;)
[16:02] <robbiew> james_w: slangasek: around?
[16:02] <robbiew> cjwatson: ^
[16:03] <james_w> hi
[16:03] <james_w> welcome lool!
[16:03] <lool> Thanks for the welcomes; I'm excited to work with you folks   :-)
[16:04] <robbiew> well...looks like we have all we are going to get
[16:04] <robbiew> and I need to end this in 30min today
[16:05] <robbiew> [TOPIC] UDS
[16:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  UDS
[16:05] <cjwatson> hi
[16:05] <robbiew> I need to get things scheduled this week...I already have some sessions ready
[16:05] <robbiew> folks are welcome to send me topics
[16:06] <robbiew> but no guarantees on if I can get them all in
[16:06] <robbiew> Deadline is this Friday
[16:06] <robbiew> just put them in an email...I can do the rest
[16:06]  * ScottK would like to have a session around removing binaries of stuff that fails to build so we don't ship unsupported stuff (wrote ubuntu-devel on this last week).
[16:06] <robbiew> and if I have questions, I'll let you know
[16:06] <robbiew> ack
[16:06] <robbiew> ScottK...caught that
[16:06] <robbiew> and will schedule ;)
[16:06] <ScottK> Thanks.
[16:07] <robbiew> np
[16:07] <robbiew> mvo: I still need to read through yours...but rest assured, I have them noted ;)
[16:07] <cjwatson> I'll dump you over a batch of stuff
[16:07] <ScottK> Also I retargetted the backports not automatic spec to Lucid.  I'd really like to get that on the official list this time
[16:07] <robbiew> ok..cool
[16:07] <mvo> robbiew: cool, I was about to ask if it made it to you :) thanks!
[16:07] <robbiew> ScottK: sure thing
[16:07] <robbiew> also caught that ;)
[16:08] <mvo> robbiew: sorry that its so long again, ideas > time-to-implement
[16:08] <robbiew> heh
[16:08] <robbiew> yeah...I'll be the editor ;)
[16:08] <cjwatson> mvo: you visionary you
[16:08] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Release Status Page
[16:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Release Status Page
[16:08] <robbiew> so I think we should do ours more like Desktop's
[16:09] <robbiew> I suppose this only affects cjwatson and I
[16:09] <cjwatson> heartily concur except I don't know how they keep track
[16:09] <robbiew> and we both like that
[16:09] <cjwatson> maybe should get pitti to brain-dump
[16:09] <robbiew> +1
[16:09] <robbiew> I think it involves the next topic
[16:09] <robbiew> [TOPIC] burndown charts
[16:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  burndown charts
[16:09] <robbiew> :D
[16:09] <lool> We used that in mobile
[16:09] <lool> It's really helpful and easy to setup
[16:09] <cjwatson> (FWIW: desktop's status page tends to involve what's been fixed in the last week, and what's new, rather than just current status)
[16:10] <robbiew> right
[16:10] <cjwatson> how are the work items tracked for burndown?
[16:10] <robbiew> I can talk to rick as well
[16:10] <lool> cjwatson: In the whiteboard of specs
[16:10] <lool> You add a Workitems: line and then one line per work item
[16:10] <robbiew> pitti does some screen scraping magic on them
[16:10] <lool> With a status for it
[16:10] <cjwatson> ok, that seems manageable; is there a (heh) spec for it somewhere?
[16:10] <lool> There's also an optional "Status:" line to give a one line summary for the burndown report
[16:10] <robbiew> don't think so
[16:11] <robbiew> but I think rick wants to have a session on it at UDS
[16:11] <lool> Concerning release status pages, I would personally go over release targetted bugs and update the status in the wiki page; it's long and tedious so I hope pitti has a better recipe
[16:11] <lool> (couple of hours every friday updating the status page)
[16:11] <robbiew> yeah
[16:11] <cjwatson> lool: that's what I do as well, but it sucks
[16:11] <lool> Ack
[16:12] <lool> Perhaps bug-zapper/hugger can help here
[16:12] <cjwatson> and it's hard to track incoming/outgoing
[16:12] <robbiew> fwiw, the managers are aware and trying to simplify the whole thing
[16:12] <lool> cjwatson: I used the wiki page as the snapshot of previous status
[16:12] <cjwatson> lool: right, but only works if nobody fiddled with the page in the meantime
[16:13] <robbiew> cjwatson: you and I should be the only ones fiddling...and I subscribe to the page to know when changes are made....but you make a good point
[16:13] <lool> cjwatson: Wow I wonder where you found people interested in updating the page!  ;)
[16:14] <robbiew> heh...I think cjwatson was speaking of me fiddling ;)
[16:14] <mvo> heh :)
[16:14] <cjwatson> or me, in forgetful mode
[16:15]  * cjwatson operates on the basis that he can only trust himself when he's paying attention. :)
[16:15] <robbiew> anyway...we can discuss more at UDS...and get some help from the Desktop guys
[16:16] <robbiew> [TOPIC] OEM-Priority bugs
[16:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  OEM-Priority bugs
[16:16] <robbiew> so to help our oem team, I've started keeping a closer eye on these bugs
[16:17] <robbiew> and will highlight any that pop up during the week
[16:17] <robbiew> that affect us
[16:17] <robbiew> cjwatson is aware of the current two in the agenda...so need to really cover them here
[16:18] <robbiew> but just wanted to let folks know
[16:18] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Sponsorship Queue
[16:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  Sponsorship Queue
[16:19] <robbiew> I haven't checked it in awhile...with the release and all
[16:19] <robbiew> but time to focus back on it
[16:19] <cjwatson> I've left a note in one of those that I may not be able to look until I'm not on-site
[16:19] <robbiew> right
[16:19] <cjwatson> is that ok, or does it need higher priority?
[16:19] <robbiew> should be fine...perhaps evan will get his internet back up
[16:19] <robbiew> and he can help
[16:20] <robbiew> heh
[16:20] <cjwatson> hope so
[16:21] <robbiew> that's all I got
[16:21] <robbiew> [TOPIC] AOB
[16:21] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[16:21] <robbiew> anything else?
[16:22] <lool> Is there anything apart of registration + list of specs that we need to prepare for UDS?
[16:23] <robbiew> nope
[16:25] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Good News
[16:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  Good News
[16:25] <robbiew> We released Karmic!  and apparently TheRegister loved it :P
[16:25] <james_w> heh
[16:25] <mvo> and slashdot as well
[16:26] <lool> :-/
[16:27] <lool> seb128 sent an email to -desktop recommending to look at karmic SRUs for a couple of weeks but then move over to lucid
[16:28] <lool> I liked the idea to have this explicit timeframe for SRUs
[16:29] <james_w> see http://lifehacker.com/5396761/how-do-you-like-ubuntu-910-so-far for a much more positive poll on karmic
[16:29] <james_w> 65% voted almost perfect or better
[16:29] <cjwatson> please keep UbuntuReviews on the internal wiki up to date if you find interesting 9.10 links
[16:30] <robbiew> cool
[16:31] <robbiew> #endmeeting
[16:31] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:31.
[16:31] <robbiew> thanks all!
[16:32] <mvo> thanks
[16:33] <james_w> thanks
[16:59]  * pedro_ waves
[17:00] <ara> hello!
[17:00] <davmor2> hello
[17:01] <ara> mmm
[17:01] <fader_> Is the QA meeting now or in an hour?  (Google calendar is confusing me today.)
[17:02] <ara> it is now
[17:02] <ara> now it is 17UTC
[17:02] <pedro_> fader_, 1700 UTC as in now
[17:02] <fader_> Thanks
[17:02] <pedro_> fader_, got the same issue in the morning it's listed at 1800 there
[17:06] <cr3> hi folks, ready for the Ubuntu QA meeting?
[17:06] <bdmurray> hi
[17:06] <pedro_> yes
[17:06] <ara> hello :)
[17:07] <sbeattie> Hey
[17:07] <fader_> Greetings
[17:07] <davmor2> howdo
[17:08] <moustafa> Hello all
[17:08] <fader_> I will try to give marjo a call -- I suspect DST has bitten him
[17:10] <ara> OK, shall we start?
[17:10] <fader_> marjo is on his way
[17:11] <cr3> ara: lets, this channel is logged anyways for anyone who might miss the beginning
[17:11]  * marjo waves
[17:11] <ara> hey!
[17:11] <marjo> #startmeeting QA Team
[17:11] <MootBot> Meeting started at 11:11. The chair is marjo.
[17:11] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[17:12] <marjo> agenda:
[17:12] <marjo> # SRU testing -- sbeattie (Steve Beattie)
[17:12] <marjo> # Bugday highlights -- pedro
[17:12] <marjo> #
[17:12] <marjo> UDS Questions & Answers
[17:12] <marjo> hi folks
[17:12] <marjo> sorry, got bit by the google calendar "bug"
[17:12]  * fader_ shakes a fist in impotent rage at DST.
[17:13] <marjo> [TOPIC] SRU testing
[17:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  SRU testing
[17:13] <sbeattie> As everyone might imagine, SRU acivity has ramped up since the release of karmic
[17:13] <sbeattie> SRU Activity for the past two weeks (since 2009-10-21):
[17:13] <sbeattie> * Karmic: 57(!) new packages in -proposed and 5 packages pushed to -updates (kerneloops, python2.6, ubiquity, ubuntuone-client, update-manager)
[17:13] <sbeattie> * Jaunty: 6 new packages (tzdata, evolution-indicator, isdnutils, linux, moodle, update-manager) and 6 packages pushed to -updates (tzdata, blogtk, landscape-client, net-snmp, openafs, smart)
[17:13] <sbeattie> * Intrepid: 1 new package in -proposed (tzdata), and 4 packages pushed to -updates (landscape-client, smart, sun-java6, tzdata)
[17:13] <sbeattie> * Hardy: 4 new packages in -proposed (moodle, pidgin, tzdata, virtualbox-ose-modules) and 4 packages pushe
[17:13] <sbeattie> d to -updates (debian-installer, net-snmp, sun-java5, tzdata)
[17:13] <sbeattie> * Dapper: 1 new package in -proposed (langpack-locales) and 2 packages pushed to -updates (langpack-locales, sun-java5)
[17:14] <ara> wow! 57 packages!
[17:14] <sbeattie> Thanks to Peter Lyons, leighman, Antoine Pairet, jazz, max, Henning Moll, Tobias Kerzenmacher, stealthbanana, Nait, ScottK, unggnu, zooko, Ernst Kloppenburg, Marco Cimmino, Jonathan Thomas, sektor, Mary Gardiner, Douglas Bagnall, starslights, iMac, Whoopie and others for testing proposed packages.
[17:14] <sbeattie> ara: indeed!
[17:14] <pedro_> nice progress on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html
[17:14] <pedro_> a lot of green numbers there :-))
[17:14] <sbeattie> (57 *source* packages)
[17:15] <sbeattie> pedro_ and bdmurray have been busy verifiying fixes as well.
[17:16] <pedro_> is there anything there that might need more attention?
[17:16] <bdmurray> bug 465619
[17:16] <pedro_> pitti raised a bug the other day anything else?
[17:16] <bdmurray> I'm actually kind of curious how we'll do that...
[17:17] <davmor2> bdmurray: magic?
[17:18] <bdmurray> sbeattie: do you have any ideas?
[17:18] <moustafa> davmor2: That's the Tycho Brahe answer
[17:18] <sbeattie> bdmurray: I'm not sure I understand the issue...
[17:18] <marjo> bdmurray: what do you mean by "how we'll do that"?
[17:18] <bdmurray> one will need to do a dist-upgrade using an older version of update-manager 0.126.6
[17:19] <bdmurray> to test the apport fix
[17:19]  * sbeattie is confused, why isn't that a jaunty bug?
[17:19] <pedro_> i was about to ask that
[17:20] <pedro_> mvo, around?
[17:20] <mvo> yes
[17:21]  * mvo reads backlog
[17:21] <pedro_> mvo, any ideas on how to deal with that sru?
[17:21] <pedro_> mvo, thanks
[17:21] <mvo> so you need a older update-manager?
[17:21] <mvo> for the apport fix you could simply simulate the behvior of u-m by copying a file into /etc/default
[17:22] <mvo> that is all that u-m does, I can add instructions to the report
[17:22] <pedro_> that'd be neat
[17:22] <bdmurray> doesn't that apport fix check for the version of update-manager used to upgrade?
[17:22] <bdmurray> comment 8
[17:22] <mvo> bdmurray: you caught me unprepared, let me look at the diff
[17:23] <bdmurray> mvo: sorry, we were just talking about SRUs and I was trying to figure out how to do that one
[17:24] <mvo> bdmurray: indeed, it needs more than just copying thefile in place, I can upload a older version of u-m
[17:24] <bdmurray> "if grep -q "release-upgrader version '0.126.[56]'" /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log && \"
[17:24] <mvo> bdmurray: I will upload and add verification instructions after dinner
[17:24] <bdmurray> mvo: or if we disabled -updates would that work since 0.126.6 is in main?
[17:25] <mvo> bdmurray: it won't, the meta-release stuff is pointing to -updates already unfortunately
[17:25] <mvo> bdmurray: however all you really need to do is just download the 0.126.6 version manually, unpack, run
[17:25] <mvo> that is all that u-m does
[17:25] <bdmurray> mvo: okay, thanks!
[17:26] <sbeattie> mvo: thanks!
[17:26] <mvo> I think I can even tackle this sru verification, I have VMs around with jaunty etc
[17:26] <bdmurray> mvo: oh, actually but nobody will see this update for 7 days or so though right?  after the fix is verified
[17:27] <mvo> *urgh* yes
[17:27] <mvo> thanks design team!
[17:27] <bdmurray> that's really really unfortunate
[17:28] <sbeattie> well, prod the security teamto do more updates, doesn't that trigger update-manager?
[17:28] <bdmurray> heh
[17:28] <mvo> it does :)
[17:28] <mvo> firefox, where are you when we need you :P
[17:28] <bdmurray> I think we missed that one by a wee bit
[17:28] <jdstrand> hey! I just published firefox on friday :P
[17:29] <sbeattie> anyway, I think we've digressed. To summarize, update-manager and other SRUs could use your love and attention.
[17:29] <marjo> sbeattie: anything else on SRU update?
[17:29] <sbeattie> that's all from me.
[17:30] <marjo> [TOPIC]  Bugday highlights -- pedro
[17:30] <MootBot> New Topic:   Bugday highlights -- pedro
[17:30] <sbeattie> (but I'll happily take questions in #ubuntu-testing)
[17:30] <marjo> ok thx
[17:30] <pedro_> we didn't run a bug day on the previous week, because of the release (-ETOOMUCHTODO)
[17:31] <pedro_> but jcastro asked me to have one this week for gwibber so https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20091105
[17:31] <marjo> pedro_ : ok thx for the update
[17:31] <pedro_> the upstream folks are going to UDS to perfect time to have a look into the reports and look for any serious one to raise with them
[17:32] <pedro_> that's all from here
[17:32] <marjo> [TOPIC] UDS Questions & Answers
[17:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  UDS Questions & Answers
[17:32] <ara> OK, I just put this topic so anyone can ask questions and comment things about UDS
[17:33] <marjo> are there any questions from the group?
[17:33] <ara> as you know, you can start registering blueprints at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[17:34] <ara> I would like to comment that it is always good to have blueprints start with "lucid-qa"
[17:34] <ara> so we can find them better
[17:34] <ara> marjo, do we have an deadline for blueprints?
[17:34] <marjo> the deadline for Lucid UDS schedule is 9/11/2009
[17:34] <marjo> All *existing* blueprints should be scheduled by this date.
[17:35] <marjo> the only deadline i've received is "end of this week"
[17:35] <marjo> so, let's shoot for that
[17:36] <marjo> i.e. this Friday the 6th
[17:37] <marjo> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?searchtext=lucid-qa
[17:37] <marjo> any more questions or comments on UDS?
[17:38] <marjo> any new topics to discuss today?
[17:38] <ara> bdmurray, I have one
[17:39] <bdmurray> yes?
[17:39] <ara> bdmurray, I see some of your blueprints already appear at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-l
[17:39] <ara> bdmurray, how do you do that?
[17:39] <bdmurray> "Propose for sprint"
[17:40] <ara> bdmurray, that first step I already did it :)
[17:40] <ara> bdmurray, there has to be something else
[17:40] <bdmurray> hmm, maybe its some superpower I have ;-)
[17:40] <bdmurray> because that was all I did
[17:40] <ara> bdmurray, weird
[17:40] <bdmurray> ara: what spec?
[17:41] <marjo> ara: i will ask jorge to give you superpowers that bdmurray has
[17:41] <ara> bdmurray, choose any of these: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?searchtext=lucid-qa
[17:41] <marjo> jcastro, i mean
[17:42] <jcastro> as you put them in launchpad they will appear in the scheduling system
[17:42] <jcastro> ara, pm me in a few minutes and I can help you
[17:42] <marjo> thx jcastro
[17:42] <ara> jcastro, thanks
[17:43] <marjo> jcastro: so in that sense, it's automatic? or does it still require "lead" power?
[17:44] <jcastro> anyone can propose sprints
[17:44] <jcastro> and they just show up in the scheduler
[17:44] <jcastro> then all marjo needs to do is drop them into the slots
[17:44] <ara> jcastro, so my question remains
[17:44] <ara> jcastro, i.e. this blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/lucid-qa-cloud-testing is proposed for uds-l
[17:45] <jcastro> right
[17:45] <ara> jcastro, but it does not appear in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-l
[17:46]  * jcastro looks
[17:46] <pedro_> aah
[17:46] <pedro_> someone needs to approve that blueprint for lucid
[17:47] <pedro_> look at the icon there there's a ? sign
[17:47] <jcastro> ah, pedro is correct
[17:47] <ara> jcastro, and who can approve?
[17:47] <pedro_> and if you look into the one of bdmurray there's a ok ticket which i think means approved
[17:47] <jcastro> right
[17:47] <jcastro> ara, the track lead
[17:47] <jcastro> marjo, can you click on the ? and it should ask you to approve/decline
[17:48] <marjo> i did, but i got no approve/decline
[17:48] <jcastro> hmm, that appears to be an lp thing, maybe you're not in the right group?
[17:49] <jcastro> I have megapowers so I can just approve all of yours ara so we don't block
[17:49] <jcastro> marjo, I think you need to ask someone on the lp team to give you approval rights for blueprints.
[17:49] <marjo> jcastro: thx, but we need to figure out what's going on
[17:49]  * jcastro nods
[17:49] <marjo> jcastro: ok will do
[17:49] <jcastro> I'll go ask on lp
[17:49] <jcastro> bbiab
[17:50] <davmor2> right I need to go hospital visiting hours are in.
[17:50] <marjo> davmor2: thx
[17:50] <marjo> folks: anything else?
[17:51] <marjo> i'll follow up w/ jcastro privately
[17:51] <marjo> i want to congratulate everyone on the successful high quality Karmic release!
[17:52] <marjo> everyone on the QA team worked very hard and very late to finish testing
[17:53] <marjo> I appreciate all your hard work and look forward to a very exciting Lucid release
[17:53] <marjo> going once
[17:53] <marjo> going twice
[17:53] <marjo> meeting adjourned
[17:53] <marjo> #endmeeting
[17:53] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:53.
[17:53] <pedro_> thanks
[17:54] <ara> thanks!