[00:32] JontheEchidna: what did you change? [00:32] I wish irssi had a wdiff for topic changes [00:32] Sput: ^^ top quassel idea [00:32] Riddell: apachelogger said that "Kubuntu: the distro with good looking developers" was too long [00:33] being hot is better than being good looking [00:39] Lex79: what progress on qt tonight? I see you made some phonon changes to bzr [00:43] Considering apachelogger's weather reports earlier today for .at, I'm guess hot doesn't fully apply. [00:47] I'm seriously considering turning on the central heating here [00:47] but I recon more cups of hot chocolate will substitute [00:48] * ScottK has only two dogs, so central heat is needed. [00:48] it's bonfire night today, just find a catholic to burn [00:48] hahaha "we are hot"? [00:49] we will be if we find enough catholics to burn [00:49] i shouldn't be laughing. i'm a recovering catholic. [00:50] pst, ScottK, need some fuel for your central heating? [00:50] No, last I looked the tank is pretty full. [00:50] hey you two, is it my computer or does the "6:50pm" part of the digital clock panel plasmoids sit a few pixels below the date/city text? [00:51] here in the civilised world we use 24 hours clocks [00:51] jings, I am being snobby tonight [00:51] fine! the 17:50 part! [00:51] Looks fine here, but I don't have TZ displayed [00:51] huh? [00:51] (have you noticed i'm heading westward?) [00:52] 6:50 != 5:50 [00:52] yes it's a few pixels below but it's also a larger point size so it's also a few pixels above [00:53] dtchen: i said i was heading westward! [00:54] westward is full of hillbillies, some east for some real culture [00:54] http://imagebin.ca/view/Cgee0kH1.html [00:54] im pretty sure the 12:52am and the London are the same font size [00:54] MsMaco: it's a larger font, so it will be aligned differently [00:55] Riddell's comment got me noticing I've somehow ended up with AM/PM again and I can't find the option to get back to 24 hour. [00:55] though the 7:52pm is bigger than the date or the London clock in general [00:55] ScottK: regional, i think [00:55] Thanks [00:55] hmm, you could be right on the city [00:55] the setting (totally unintuitively, IMO) is not in the plasmoid itself [00:55] MsMaco: due to lag, I typed it before your westward bit had appeared [00:55] if only we had the author of that applet in the channel. sebas I think he was called [00:55] im pretty sure the v in Nov is getting cut off a big too, but meh [00:56] did he write all of plasma or what? [00:56] sebas: POKE [00:56] dtchen: you have lag over a 10 metre network connection? [00:56] Riddell: he's not at home ;) [00:56] Riddell: err, no, this is a 56kbps dialup [00:56] yikes [00:57] no what! what country are you in? Burkina Faso? [00:57] I appear to be in Cardiff Bay [00:57] oh, Wales. say no more [00:57] :-) [00:57] visiting Gwen [00:57] ? [00:58] Jack, silly [00:58] ...there's not a new DVD i should know about, is there? [00:58] jack left earth! [00:58] of course he didn't [00:58] and shh, don't spoil [00:58] sure he did, with his little wrist watch thingy [00:58] not everyone has seen CoE, though arguably anyone who would care has by now [00:59] the channel's full of Whovians. if they dont know yet, they're rather behind, don't you think? [00:59] this is like the idea that you can have spoilers for the next harry potter movie...when it was out in book form 6 years ago [00:59] I must admit I missed the last Torchwood week long special [00:59] cough. [01:00] MsMaco: you lose. [01:00] wait wait [01:00] Riddell: do you care? === freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying [01:01] well the cats knocked over the telly and I got my account to bbc redux shut off, so I have to wait for it to be repeated on bbc 3 and download it from iplayer. so I don't care enough to have managed that in the last six months [01:01] ah [01:01] it's not worth the money for the licence fee anyway [01:01] im trying to figure out if i can make it to uds. if i do figure out how to get to uds, should i borrow dtchen's copy of the dvd? [01:02] oh totally, we can watch it at UDS then! [01:02] dtchen: cool with you? [01:02] do I have a say? [01:03] of course, its your dvd [01:03] we'll watch Torchwood in the hot tub [01:03] I mean, it's not like you didn't have my Firefly DVDs for months without my being aware [01:03] you were aware! [01:03] not really. [01:03] you forgot them at my apartment! [01:03] "uh, where is disc 3?" "oh, here in my DVD-ROM" does not count [01:03] though roommate did sort of wander off with them for a bit... [01:04] hahaha [01:04] Riddell: what hot tub? [01:04] there's always a hot tub [01:04] and why do you think i would get in it? [01:04] to watch torchwood! [01:05] i dont even remember the last time i wore a bathing suit [01:05] dtchen: this is why we didnt work! youre a swimmer [01:06] http://www.marriott.com/hotels/hotel-information/fitness-spa-services/dalbr-renaissance-dallas-hotel/ "Georgette Klinger (4.8 miles)" hmm, the Dallas definition of "near" is clearly different from that to which I have been used [01:07] what is your definition of "near"? [01:07] though i agree that 5mi isnt quite near [01:07] id say more like 2mi [01:07] walkable [01:07] 4.8 miles is what, a 3 minute drive? [01:07] but I get the impression walking isn't something most people in Dallas do [01:08] Riddell: um, go a little broader with that statement, please [01:08] " but I get the impression walking isn't something most people in North America do" [01:08] ever see wali? [01:08] cycleable on a brompton? [01:08] wali or wall-e ? [01:08] Riddell: people dont cycle here either... [01:08] right wall-e [01:08] They don't apparently get shoes repaired in North America either. [01:08] Riddell: not as transportation at least... exercise, racing..... [01:09] * ScottK cycled for transport in college [01:09] ScottK: where can i get my shoes resoled? ive worn a whole in my black pair and i really like them! [01:09] rickspencer3: yes, then [01:09] ScottK: to be fair they did have a shoe repair shop, it just wasn't 24 hours [01:09] * ScottK even got run over by a mini van. [01:09] dtchen: katie (you know katie...linuxchix, hacdc, speaks japanese) has a sound bug on identica @bokunenjin [01:09] dtchen: and yes she's running the right kernel [01:10] MsMaco: Let me know. I've got two pair like that. I hate it when it rains. [01:10] dude, I am not free tech support [01:10] it really may seem like I am, but I ain't [01:10] dtchen: you seem to help people on identi.ca...just pointing [01:11] MsMaco: Just tell her to remove Pulse and I'm sure all will be well. [01:11] dtchen: my speakers aren't plugged in, can you do it for me? [01:12] someone just reminded her to check volume settings. will see how that goes [01:12] there's got to be some kde / blue equivalent to what Riddell just said [01:13] like the blue isnt blue enough [01:18] MsMaco: they'll ask seele to remove some configuration options, I hear that's what usability people do [01:18] hmm? [01:19] where s the option to switch to ayatana notifications? [01:19] seele: system tray settings. [01:19] Right click on the tray, get to the settings, and it'll be obvious [01:19] it's so well hidden, nobody can find it [01:20] ah hah.. i was looking in system settings [01:20] i fergot :P [01:20] Riddell: Not my fault. I didn't insist on that. [01:20] i stumbled upon it just fine once [01:21] but thats usually how i use kde: stumble upon some setting, change it, hope i like it since i wont find it again ;) [01:23] time to snooze, sweet dreams all [01:23] bye bye [01:44] MsMaco: I'm being told by one of the kids that Cookie Monster has been converted to Veggie Monster. Do you know if this is true? [01:56] ScottK: yes :( [01:57] The horror. [01:58] Quite. [02:05] Riddell: I push to bzr what I have. I have the flu, I threw up right now :( someone can continue my work tomorrow or you can upload for now without Messages.sh rules. Sorry :( [02:05] Go to bed...night [02:07] Lex79: Good night. Hope you feel better. [02:08] many thanks ScottK [02:10] Lex79: hope you feel better soon... throwing up is not fun [02:18] what cookie monster no longer eats cookies? [02:19] No. Apparently not. [02:19] phew [02:38] who was talkign to me earlier about revising kubuntudocs and adding/changing translations within kubuntu-docs? [02:39] jjesse: Wasn't it dpm-afk. [02:40] yeahts right thanks scott [02:43] ok registered a blueprint to start working on kubutnu-dcos for lucid: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/kubuntu-docs/+spec/kubuntu-docs-lucid how do i target it for lucid? [02:44] oh wait its targeted for a sprint [02:45] That's how [03:01] ::facepalm:: Unplanned nap fail. [03:15] ScottK: that's awesome! [03:15] cookies and veggies: my two favourite foods! [03:16] Awesome. No. It's just wrong. [03:17] Is there a decent KDE equivalent to Gnome Do? Or is there at least a way to get rid of the weird shading that accompanies Do? [03:24] krunner? [03:24] the built-in alt+f2 thingy [03:29] MsMaco: …not quite a replacement. It can't do a lot of what I'm used to from a launcher. [03:33] oh. all i know is it does more than gnome's alt+f2 thingy [03:35] so i figured it probably did some subset of the special gnomedo stuff [03:38] jwisser: What specifically is it you're looking for. Most/all of us have never used Gnome Do. [03:38] Riddell, apachelogger, and JontheEchidna: Kubuntu updates policy launched at the TB, cc to kubuntu-devel. [03:39] Any ex-Mac users here? I'm a Quicksilver user, so I'm looking to be able to do everything from open a document or application to post to Twitter to see my clipboard history to control my music player. [03:40] I think we have most of that, but not all in one. [03:44] seems some of my widgets dont load when i reboot, in particular, the facebook widget. Any suggestions [03:46] document and application are covered in krunner arent they? [03:46] (ive used quicksilver, but never more than just those 2 functions) [03:47] ::grimaces:: Yeah. But that's… not all I use Quicksilver/Do for at all. [03:47] heh i never knew how much those could do [03:47] never seemed useful :P [03:47] Clip board is covered by Klipper in the systray [03:48] It's feature rich. [03:50] ::nods:: For me, the benefit of Quicksilver/Do is that it's all in one place and I can do without thinking. [03:55] apachelogger: hmmz, is it just me or did we never get to drafting a proposed release support policy the other day? [03:58] My thoughts are that we should keep the releses supported security-wise as they currently are (18 months regular, 2 years LTS), but make it abundantly clear to the users that they are not likely at all to recieve SRUs after a year, unless they fix really serious issues [03:58] Since as long as ubuntu-security is doing security, we don't waste any resources. [03:58] We just need an SRU policy mainly, I think [04:23] JontheEchidna: LTS is 3 years [04:23] JontheEchidna: Did you see me microversion update proposal? [04:35] ScottK: yeah. these two would be related, to a degree [04:36] JontheEchidna: I think updates for: microversions, regressions, and real RC type bugs. That's it. [04:36] usually we stop with microupgrades after distro+1's development starts. Should we make this clear to the users beforehand that once distro+1 is released, current releases will not get microversions? [04:36] Actually we haven't. [04:37] We've done all the ones that upstream provided. [04:37] for example we haven't done 4.3.3 packages for jaunty now that karmic is released and work on lucid has begun [04:37] We have 4.3.3 in PPA [04:37] but for jaunty? [04:37] Right. [04:37] 4.3 in Jaunty is just PPA. [04:38] I think PPA update policy is a different issue [04:38] We don't have 4.3.3 packages for jaunty in the ppa, which is what I am saying [04:38] If suddenly KDE decided they needed to do a 4.1.5, I think we'd want it. [04:38] Low chance of them doing that, but if they did, it'd probably be for a really good reason. [04:39] ah, OK. I see what you're saying [04:39] 3 closely related issues: SRU support, microrelease support, PPA support [04:39] We also need a bug reporting policy for PPA [04:39] Which probably needs triagers [04:41] PPA packaging bugs haven't been as big of an issue now that debian's packaging has somewhat stabilized. [04:41] and now most PPA package bugs also need to be fixed in the development release [04:41] Right, but if we're using them as an entry point to proposed, there has to be a way for users to signal problems [04:42] ah, ok. I was thinking more of pre-release KDE packages backported from ubuntu+1 [04:43] Regressions are regressions, though. Right? They'd affect the development version of kubuntu as long as the microrelease is in kubuntu [04:43] all we would need is a way to mark the bugs as potential microrelease regressions [04:44] I did register https://launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa as a spot to report PPA bugs. [04:44] oh, you can do that now? [04:45] oh, a launchpad-project bug tracker. for a second there I thought they got smart and have ppa bug trackers [04:48] No, we just need to tell people to use it. [04:50] Assuming that's what we want to do. [05:10] [00:03:58] slangasek: are any corresponding changes needed to kdm? [05:10] [00:05:21] cjwatson: bulletproof-x only ever hooked into gdm... we could do kdm as well, but that would involve quite a bit of fiddling and is probably not a good idea for SRU [05:19] Riddell: ^^^ Is that correct? I thought KDM had bulletproof X [06:49] http://laserjock.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/the-myth-of-the-bad-ubuntu-release/ [06:50] ^ wise words [06:51] apachelogger: btw, another suggestion for Timelord: Please don't just push security updates online. Why not e.g. also push KDE updates (4.3.3) without going through the whole PPA mumbo jumbo? [06:51] PPA might be a cool concept for packagers. for users PPA spells "PITA" [08:53] markey: not if you have a nice tool to manage such stuff [08:53] Sput: What tool did you have in mind? [08:53] markey: Gentoo is using the overlay concept more and more (comparable to PPAs), but users just have to say "layman -a kde-testing" if they want to add the kde-testing overlay, for example [08:54] so there is no need to hunt down URLs or click around in tools and enter lines by hand [08:54] good for you [08:54] my tool is: editing some config file [08:54] I have no idea how it works in *buntu as I don't use it, but I think if you make it easy enough for users, it's a nice idea [08:54] so make using PPAs easy rather than getting rid of the concept :) [08:55] I don't see why new versions of KDE or Quassel or whatever can't be pushed as online update [08:55] the user could decide to disable those [08:55] well, new versions maybe, but for experimental stuff it's nice if the user has an easy way to opt in [08:55] I would want the latest $EVERYTHING [08:55] imho of course :) [08:55] e.g. Git [08:55] etc [08:55] yeah, but not many want that, so it'd be bad if it was opt-out [08:56] markey: That's fine if you're a power user willing to sacrifice stability. [08:56] opt-in is fine with me [08:56] jwisser: apparently Arch linux can do it, without sacrificing stability [08:56] that's why I like the PPA/Overlay concept, you can easily opt in (at least on Gentoo)... I'm running the kde-testing, qting-edge and x11 overlays to get all that stuff from git :) [08:56] they have AUR or whatever it was [08:56] But if one of the groups Kubuntu wants to start going after is small businesses, that kind of opt-out feature is a recipe for instability (or at least distrust). [08:56] in the end it all comes down to provide tools that make adding/removing/managing such extra repos easy [08:57] also let's for example look at KDE: 4.3.3 is a minor update, providing bugfixes [08:57] Sput: That does sound nice. I'd go for something like that no questions asked. [08:57] how does that affect stability in a negative way? [08:57] it enhances stability [08:57] markey: that's an entirely different case, I'd complain if point releases wouldn't go into the stable tree automatically :) [08:57] Sput: yep, but that is reality with ubuntu [08:58] they only push security updates [08:58] markey: see mail at kde-devel list :P [08:58] PPA-like things are/should be for experimental things only, things that you don't want the user to install unconsciously [08:58] actually I think scott pushed a mail yesterday [08:58] * apachelogger fires up kmail [08:58] apachelogger: I only read core-devel, got a link? [08:58] markey: well, that's bad then. [08:58] though there is this backport thingy you have, or? [08:58] sure, just enable another PPA... [08:58] and then another one [08:59] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2009-November/003484.html [08:59] thx [08:59] more interesting than what I wrote on kde-devel anyway [09:00] markey: It enhances stability if you're only enabling pushthrough for bugfix point releases, at least in theory. But some businesses, small and large would rather learn a fixed set of minor bugs than have to relearn anything. [09:00] markey: anyhow, the core point is that any KDE bugfix update goes to the -updates repository, even though by definition most KDE updates would not qualify [09:00] I'm not saying I agree with them, I'm just stating a reality. [09:00] jwisser: I think we must be more progressive if we don't want to lose a huge deal of users to Arch [09:00] being too conservative here with many things [09:00] it would be nice if kubuntu would have the simplicity of updates as in MS-update: u always have a full list of updates to everything available with no configuration necessary, and can checkbox what u want, and uncheck what u don't. security/important stuff is checked by default. I find it very easy to use. Everyone gets what they want, no configurations and URLs necessary. [09:01] markey: Well, that's something we need to be clear about as a community: who are we aiming for, and how hard do we want to work for each group? [09:01] jwisser: from epxerience there is a lot more advantage from KDE updates than what they could technically break [09:01] also, it's a lot about how hard can we work for each group [09:01] well, KDE bugfix releases should go to the regular backports, not only PPA backports IMHO, we always have to wait too long for that, in Jaunty almost nothing ended up in the backports [09:01] a matter of available time resource [09:02] jwisser: same with Amarok, if Kubuntu has e.g. 2.2.0, then we release 2.2.1, you can be sure that 2.2.1 is lots better [09:02] why not give it to the users? [09:02] we had 4.2.4 pushed to the backports, but never any 4.3.x [09:02] amik: how is kubuntu different from that? [09:02] apachelogger: I bow to your superior knowledge regarding all things KDE. I'm a KDE baby. :-) [09:02] we're not happy with users on outdated software [09:02] uhhh, cute, a baby! [09:02] * apachelogger switches to baby talk :D [09:03] apachelogger: Cute. :-P [09:03] apachelogger: because u need to hunt down PPAs, track which repositories have which backports or updates, etc. why not have it all in one place and let everyone choose what they want? [09:03] and it causes a lot of additional work, e.g. having to close bugs reported for 2.0.2 till recently [09:03] nah nah [09:03] backports [09:03] we are always talking backports here [09:04] amik: did you ever see windows poll you for an upgrade of explorer.exe? [09:04] so you have like vista and an explorer from seven [09:04] apachelogger: for example, kde 4.3.3. Where will it be? what do I need to do to find it? [09:04] because that essentially is what PPAs do to your system [09:04] apachelogger: well, comparision to Windows is lame, they use stuff that is almost 10 years old [09:04] also if the new ShowCock stable version gets released, I'd love to have it [09:04] Mamarok: it's about reliability, doesnt matter how old the software is [09:04] don't want to hunt down some obscure PPA's for it [09:05] apachelogger: no, not individual files, but I can check/uncheck any version of .net framework, internet explorer, office updates, service packs, live addons - pick and choose what I want easily. [09:05] amik: that is what you get from *-updates [09:05] apachelogger: for reliability we have LTS releases, whihc makes sense for server ettc., but in the Linux world development is faster and even if am old IE is around and people think it is reliable it still is a huge pile of crap [09:06] quality assured updates that is unlikely to break your system [09:06] LTS is a good point [09:06] one could keep the conservative policy for LTS [09:06] Mamarok: then canonical should not offer support for > 1 year TBH [09:07] 10.04 in particular needs to be incredibly stable IMO. [09:07] 90% of users probably don't want to use outdated software [09:07] markey: looking at the breakage we had over the last couple of releases I would say we were pretty non-conservative [09:07] apachelogger: and we are so completely out of sync with the KDE releases, I think they should end up in the regular backports after testing in PPA [09:07] apachelogger: I have Important/Recommended/Unsupported updates enabled in Jaunty. Where do I find the latest firefox 3.5 for example? [09:07] The whole point of Timelord, as I understand it, is to fix the breakages, both in software and perception. [09:07] Mamarok: see backlog [09:07] amik: security [09:08] possibly updates [09:08] depends on the changes per version really [09:08] the thing is [09:08] sec and updates are on by default [09:08] so you would not find them at all [09:08] they would find you [09:08] I could tell some stories that would make you furious. certain software projects have at one point added "small security bugs", just to force an upgrade [09:08] because that works reliably [09:09] (not that I know any such projects personally) [09:09] apachelogger: I'm all up to date, and only have FF 3.0 installed, am I missing something? [09:10] amik: firefox 3.0 will not install 3.5 until 3.0 reached EOL [09:10] ubuntus policiy here only matches ustreams [09:10] 3.0 will only auto-apply incremental updates 3.0.x until it reaches EOL [09:11] and btw, when 3.0 reaches EOL the ubuntu versions that do ship it, also reach EOL [09:11] apachelogger: but that's my point - if all versions were in the repos, I can choose to upgrade or not, rather than having to do a dist-upgrade to get updates apps, or try to hunt it down manually [09:11] just for good measure :P [09:11] markey: thus the cherry pick policy for -updates and -security [09:12] yep [09:12] the less changes the less likely is breakage [09:12] well [09:12] which IMHO is a very wrong assumption [09:12] but oh well [09:12] * apachelogger is not on the technical board :P [09:12] apachelogger: same with kde 4.3.3, i guess. but maybe I don't understand the system well enough yet :-) [09:12] except that some projects have good internal testing mechanisms that make regressions unlikely [09:12] testing gets more and more wide spread [09:13] markey: Re: what you were saying about Arch, I see your point, but it seems to me that Arch is trying to be something different from *buntu. [09:13] chromium dailies are more stable than any Konqueror release in history ;) [09:13] So it's good they're out there doing that, but it doesn't mean *buntu needs to do theings the same way. [09:13] amik: anyway, don't want to hijack ur conversation... just something that was bugging me. I'll shut up now :-) [09:13] *things [09:14] amik: talking to yourself? [09:14] :) [09:14] Mamarok: on occasion, though not today :-) [09:14] hum [09:14] jwisser: ScottK did not blog about timelord!!!!!!! [09:15] I demand spanking for him :D [09:15] apachelogger: I feel like I probably shouldn't try to hand out spankings until I've at least got around to creating my wiki page identifying me as King of Marketing. :-P [09:15] But I'll click my tongue very loudly next time I see him. [09:16] hooray [09:16] hooray for wiki pages [09:16] But in all seriousness, what's my best method of finding out who does what around here? [09:16] apachelogger: public spanking? [09:16] that reminds me ... I think my wiki page is a stub ... and that reminds me that I do not have a wikipedia wiki page [09:16] jwisser: self appointed? [09:16] Mamarok: Oh no, blame this one on apachelogger and ScottK. [09:17] Tm_T: yus [09:17] I be support fairy, then :) [09:17] lol [09:17] I like that name [09:17] srsly [09:17] haha [09:17] super Qt [09:17] Support fairies would be ossum. [09:17] we might turn that in a launchpad team :) [09:17] Bleeding hell, it's 4am. [09:17] * apachelogger likes launchpad teams [09:17] they are something to show off [09:18] can I be Rambo? like, when we have to piss off someone, I could do that [09:18] Need to be up in 4, so I'm off. G'night, all. [09:18] lots of swearing and stuff [09:18] like "oi, I am a freaking support fairy, watch your language!" [09:18] apachelogger: well, there is still a lot of people not in your fanpage :) [09:18] well, maybe a more positive example, but you get the idea [09:18] Mamarok: that too [09:18] "You stupid git, you!" [09:18] 503 Service Unavailable [09:18] :D [09:18] launchpad rulez [09:18] markey: that's redundant, you say that daily when you push [09:18] * Mamarok hides [09:18] this is true [09:19] always them down times [09:19] markey: dont push to hard it might burst [09:19] woah [09:19] next on Timelord list: put apachelogger in space [09:19] * apachelogger better gets on his way for accounting lecture [09:19] shuttleworth has done it... [09:19] true [09:20] I always wanted to make vacation pictures of space [09:20] also quite unique, so I can call myself superior to them flickr people [09:20] "apachelogger visiting the Jupiter moons" [09:21] which reminds me on the master method [09:21] * apachelogger leaves you to read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_theorem and leaves for accounting [09:21] apachelogger: hf [09:22] so, where do u guys most need programming help? [09:25] or should I go straight to KDE? [09:26] amik: what proramming so you know? [09:26] +g [09:27] well, I've been doing mostly Java (servers) the past few years, but have experience with assembly, c/c++, and a dip of python. some web stuff I guess... dunno, whatever I find interesting at the moment :-) [09:28] KDE is C++ mostly [09:28] using Qt, of course [09:28] amik: IMO you should always start on what interest you the most as that is likely keep you motivated [09:28] :-) [09:28] oh, hay nhn :) [09:28] * nhn waves [09:28] its alive! [09:29] I've done a few little patches in KDE, as nhn rightfully suggests - fixing up the ktorrent and monitoring plasmoids for starters (which were full of annoying bugs) [09:29] nhn: btw, seen that reminders and bug subscriptions I send you? [09:29] amik: well, fixing whatever annoys you the most at any one monemt is ususally a really good place to start [09:29] I probably wouldn't know how to start them from scratch, but felt pretty much at home just reading the code and fixing things up (with a lot of tabs open on QT/KDE API docs) [09:30] Mamarok: yeah, I see them, I am just a bit pressed for time atm [09:30] nhn: well, there are a lot around you should fix, this is the tip of the iceberg, push back working on new features then :) [09:30] Mamarok: next week, perhaps. As my SO is going out of town for a week [09:31]