[00:12] <Laney> monobristol has the same thing and was uploaded at about the same time, so I'm wondering if something just broke then
[00:13] <PATX> does this mean i have uploaded a new version of a current ppa: http://patx.me/paste/79038.html
[00:14] <Laney> PATX: wait for the email from launchpad
[00:15] <PATX> oh ok!
[00:17] <PATX> Laney - how long do i have to wait?
[00:17] <Laney> PATX: few minutes
[01:05] <poolie> hi
[01:05] <poolie> when i look at http://code.launchpad.net/~bzr/bzr/current it says "log in/register"
[01:05] <poolie> and there are no modification controls
[01:05] <poolie> however when i click log in, it says "you're already logged in as martin pool"
[01:05] <poolie> :-(
[01:06] <poolie> i guess i can try logging in and out but do you want any data first?
[01:06] <poolie> mwhudson / thumper^^ ?
[01:06] <mwhudson> poolie: *http*
[01:06] <mwhudson> poolie: there seems to be some redirection problem
[01:06] <poolie> yes!
[01:06] <poolie> how strange
[01:06] <mwhudson> poolie: https://launchpad.net/bugs/474593
[01:07] <poolie> firefox really thinks it's being served over http
[01:07] <spm> bizzarly - I just saw the same thing on staging...
[01:07] <poolie> that's kinda cool actually
[01:08] <spm> argh. can't login to staging at all.
[01:09] <spm> given the up downs all morning; trying for a full stop/start on asuka. brb.
[01:13] <spm> oki, so staging is vaguely working again; poolie, I can duplicate (easily) what you're seeing. go to that URL, log-in/register; have checked that I am logged in on both edge and prod. wheee.
[01:13] <poolie> fixing the url to https by hand fixes it
[01:13] <poolie> for me
[01:14] <spm> ahh I missed that and mwh's point out of same.
[01:16] <poolie> obviously it's still a bug though
[01:16] <poolie> pretty potentially confusing
[01:16] <poolie> i might tweet about it
[01:19] <poolie> http://identi.ca/notice/13796934
[01:20] <james_w> OOPS-1405D138
[01:21]  * james_w pats ubottu 
[01:21] <wgrant> (it's nice and snappy over HTTP!)
[01:21] <james_w> seems the collection slicing workaround isn't too effective
[01:22] <james_w> or rather doesn't force the size in enough situations
[01:25] <poolie> hello james_w
[01:25] <poolie> wgrant: i know, it's kind of a feature
[01:40] <wgrant> poolie: Note that all the links are still HTTPS, so clicking on the login link will work.
[01:41] <poolie> wgrant: if you logout and then login again i guess
[01:42] <wgrant> poolie: The obvious behaviour, and the one that I was seeing this morning, is that simply clicking on the login link (or any other link) will bring you back to HTTPS, so you are logged in again.
[01:43] <poolie> clicking the login link takes me to https://code.launchpad.net/libindicator/+activereviews/+login
[01:43] <poolie> but that's pretty much a dead end
[01:43] <poolie> if it had a "click to continue" taking you back to the https version of the page you came from it would all be good
[01:43] <wgrant> Oh. So it does.
[01:43] <poolie> my response was to press back then reload, and then you're still on http
[01:59] <WaSeidel> hi all, i have a problem with launchpad and wiki.ubuntu.com i have an account in wiki.ubuntu.com, but as too long time ago i didn't get in to it, i lost mi password now i tried to log in, but i've surprised when i see the integration with launchpad but it ask me for a password or to use other name, i use my old password and i acces it says wrong password try again
[02:22] <WaSeidel> what time can i found people here? not just bots?
[02:22] <lifeless> never
[02:23] <lifeless> sorry, that was childish of me
[02:23] <wgrant> WaSeidel: What if you try to reset your password through LP?
[02:23] <WaSeidel> but it reset's me the password on LP not in wiki.ubuntu.com
[02:23] <wgrant> WaSeidel: Your wiki.ubuntu.com has always been the same as your Launchpad account. It's just that you used to log in directly through the wiki.
[02:23] <WaSeidel> and the problem it with wiki.ubuntu.com
[02:24] <wgrant> wiki.ubuntu.com does not have its own authentication system; it uses Launchpad accounts.
[02:24] <lifeless> wgrant: far enough back it was separate
[02:24] <WaSeidel> yes and that is the password for the integration with my old account on wiki.ubuntu.com
[02:25] <wgrant> lifeless: "far enough" being somewhat before mid-2005?
[02:25] <WaSeidel> no
[02:25] <WaSeidel> the last year
[02:25] <WaSeidel> the last time i edited my wiki was in october or september
[02:26] <WaSeidel> then i travel and i was no acces to internet
[02:26] <WaSeidel> now i come back and find this
[02:26] <wgrant> WaSeidel: What happens if you try to reset your password on Launchpad?
[02:26] <wgrant> wiki.ubuntu.com uses the same accounts, and has for years.
[02:27] <lifeless> WaSeidel: are you logged into launchpad?
[02:27] <WaSeidel> it ask me for the password on launchpad i already try it
[02:27] <WaSeidel> yes
[02:27] <lifeless> what page are you trying to access on wiki.ubuntu.com?
[02:27] <WaSeidel> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Waseidel
[02:28] <wgrant> Do you have a "Log in/Register" link at the right of the header of that page?
[02:28] <WaSeidel> yes
[02:29] <wgrant> If you click that, you should eventually get taken to a page with a green bar along the top asking you to sign in.
[02:29] <wgrant> Do you?
[02:30] <WaSeidel> when i do click there show me a page with this title "Sign in as Walther Seidel?" (on launchpad)
[02:30] <WaSeidel> i go to try logged out of LP
[02:31] <wgrant> What happens if you just click Sign In?
[02:32] <WaSeidel> send me to this page "Launchpad Login Service"
[02:33] <WaSeidel> askme for my mail and password on launchpad
[02:33] <wgrant> Weren't you logged into Launchpad before?
[02:33] <WaSeidel> yes
[02:34] <wgrant> Did you log out, or did it log you out itself?
[02:34] <WaSeidel> sorry my english but if you see my wiki im from colombia
[02:34] <WaSeidel> not i logged out
[02:34] <WaSeidel> by my self
[02:34] <wgrant> You did log out yourself, or you didn't?
[02:35] <WaSeidel> i did logged out by my self
[02:35] <wgrant> Why?
[02:35] <WaSeidel> try other things
[02:36] <wgrant> What if you log in, go back to the 'Launchpad Login Service' page, and click the 'Sign In' button?
[02:36] <spiv> WaSeidel: ok.  But you need to log in.  The Launchpad login page you see when you follow the "Log in/Register" link from the wiki is how you login to the wiki now.
[02:36] <WaSeidel> this "The username you have chosen is already taken. If it is your username, enter your password below to associate the username with your OpenID. Otherwise, please choose a different username and leave the password field blank."
[02:36] <WaSeidel> and this is my old username
[02:36] <wgrant> Ahh.
[02:37] <WaSeidel> ask me for the password that i used a long time ago
[02:38] <wgrant> Just try your current Launchpad password. I think I did that same thing ages ago, but I don't quite remember.
[02:38] <WaSeidel> i already do that
[02:39] <WaSeidel> i'll be back i'm going home im at the univercity
[02:39] <wgrant> I'm not sure who best to ask about this, but it's not a Launchpad problem.
[02:39] <WaSeidel> then where ?
[02:39] <lifeless> wgrant: spiv wrote the code I think :)
[02:40] <WaSeidel> thanks i'll be back
[02:41] <spiv> lifeless: not the OpenID integration
[02:41] <wgrant> How does it make sense to ask for the old password?
[02:41] <wgrant> Doesn't that depend on the authserver, which has ceased to exist?
[02:42] <spiv> wgrant: it doesn't make much sense to me either
[02:42] <spiv> wgrant: as the wiki now just uses the name and launchpad URL for identifying users in edit logs etc AFAICT
[02:42] <wgrant> Right.
[02:43] <wgrant> However, it probably attempts to merge the old account.
[02:43] <wgrant> I remember something of the sort when OpenID was introduced.
[02:43] <spiv> And it has always used the immutable numeric launchpad user ID in its storage, I thought.
[02:43] <wgrant> Really? Yuck.
[02:44] <spiv> Certainly the user's wiki preferences were keyed off that rather than the "wiki name" or anything like that.
[02:44] <spiv> And I think it used that too in the page histories, so that user renames etc would not break history.
[02:44] <wgrant> Makes sense.
[02:44] <lifeless> spiv: no, but the lp<->wiki username stuff...
[02:45] <lifeless> so, I think he can log in ok if he *doesn't* visit his old user page
[02:45] <spiv> lifeless: I would have thought that was simply dropped on the floor now that it uses OpenID.
[02:45] <lifeless> which is why I was asking what page specifically he was visit
[02:45] <lifeless> in
[02:45] <wgrant> I think it attempts to link it.
[02:45] <lifeless> g
[02:45] <wgrant> Let's see...
[02:46] <spiv> lifeless: but either way, I know nothing about the current state, except for what I can speculate based on how it used to work :)
[02:46] <wgrant> My new OpenID account is certainly linked to my pre-OpenID one.
[02:47] <spiv> Oh, and I dimly recall a certain grim satisfaction when having a "wiki name" was ditched in favour of the regular launchpad nick/fullnames, which is how I always thought it should be... but it sounds like there are still vestiges of that left over.
[02:49] <ajmitch> maybe it's just those old account that have those wiki names
[02:49] <ajmitch> since that's what shows for me when I visit the wiki now
[02:49] <wgrant> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilliamGrant?action=info
[02:50]  * ajmitch could be wrong, haven't edited it for awhile
[02:50] <wgrant> My old account has been merged into my new one.
[02:50] <wgrant> Has yours not, ajmitch?
[02:50] <ajmitch> it has
[02:53] <wgrant> Hmm.
[03:02] <spiv> wgrant: right, that's what I mean.  I don't see any sign of the old wiki names on the wiki anymore, *except* for the existence of user pages with those names, but the pages themselves don't seem to be special (e.g. no access control)
[03:50] <tgm4883> Is it known that the PPA is backed up?
[03:51] <spm> tgm4883: PPA's are backed up; yes.
[03:52] <tgm4883> ok, i'm assuming that some build servers were changed over for release?
[04:43] <alkisg> Hi, I'm thinking of creating/uploading a really big package (200-300 Mb) into my ppa. It will contain a blob of a virtual hard disk (an nbd image) and it will be used for easy LTSP setups. Any reasons against this?
[07:05] <ripps> oh come'on, somebody throw us an i386 builder. amd64/lpia = ~4-5 hours, i386 = 36 hours. Clearly i386 isn't keeping up with the other arches
[07:09] <noodles775> Well, there are a number of factors, but after the Launchpad update in a few hours at least the i386 builders should not be monopolised by single PPAs.
[07:11] <wgrant> noodles775: Unfortunately all it need then is three daily PPAs :(
[07:11] <noodles775> yep, running at the same time :/
[07:13] <noodles775> Hopefully we'll be loaned the other builders again soon.
[07:19] <kb9vqf> is Lauchpad even accepting new package uploads?  For some reason my upload is silently failing; I.E. the dput succeeds but I don't get a confirmation or rejection Email, and the package doesn't show up in the PPA.
[07:19]  * kb9vqf notes that this has been occurring all day
[07:20] <noodles775> kb9vqf: the most common reason is if you've either not signed the pkg, or signed it with a key that launchpad doesn't know about.
[07:20] <kb9vqf> I signed this package with the same key I've been using for all the hundreds of other packages...odd.
[07:20]  * kb9vqf goes to recheck the config files
[07:21] <noodles775> But not, Launchpad will be going down for an upgrade in 1hr40mins anyway.
[07:21] <noodles775> kb9vqf: gee, that is odd
[07:21]  * noodles775 tries.
[07:21] <wgrant> Uploads are being processed fine.
[07:23] <kb9vqf> Found the problem--apparently if you typo your Email address in the maintainer field it causes this behaviour :)
[07:25]  * noodles775 updates https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/UploadErrors
[07:27] <wgrant> noodles775: I don't think there's any reason for that to be a failure rather than a rejection.
[07:28] <wgrant> The key is known, so we have an email address.
[07:30] <noodles775> wgrant: Yeah, I'm not sure whether this has been introduced recently, but it's the second time in a few weeks that I've seen it come up as an issue.
[07:30] <wgrant> noodles775: No -- this has been around for years.
[07:32] <noodles775> wgrant: ok, so it's possibly just never been fixed, great - another opportunity for improvement :)
[07:52] <pbryan> If I want to upgrade a package in PPA for karmic, do I need to increment my package version?
[07:53] <ripps> pbryan: yes, or add extra version tag, suchas foobar_2.0.0-0ubuntu1+extra_tag1
[07:53] <noodles775> yep... xxxubuntu1~ppa1 -> xxxubuntu1~ppa2
[07:54] <pbryan> Okay. Thanks, thought so.
[07:54] <pbryan> And in the changelog, something like "increment version for new packaging"?
[07:55] <ripps> pbryan: instead of commenting that you've incremented the version, as it's implied with a new vesion, try to explain what exactly has changed from the previous version.
[07:56] <pbryan> And if nothing has changed?
[07:56] <pbryan> Other than me incrementing version to coerce it living under karmic instead of hardy?
[07:57] <ripps> pbryan: than say that, but it should matter what version you have, just as long as the target disrtubution in the changelog is karmic
[07:57] <pbryan> Well, I can't re-upload 0.10 if it's already in my PPA.
[07:57] <pbryan> Right?
[07:57] <pbryan> I'd need to change it to 0.10-1 or the like.
[07:58] <ripps> pbryan: oh, you should add ~karmic1 to the end of your version string
[07:58] <pbryan> Oh?
[07:58] <pbryan> ripps: This is significant?
[07:58] <pbryan> Or just a convention.
[07:58] <ripps> pbryan: not really, but it's what most ppa uploaders do
[07:58] <pbryan> Okay, so change version from 0.10 to 0.10~karmic1.
[07:59] <pbryan> And is there a common convention for comment in the changelog?
[07:59] <soren> 0.10 to 0.10~karmic1 will not work.
[07:59] <soren> 0.10~karmic1 is considered a lower version than 0.10.
[07:59] <soren> That's the whole point of ~
[07:59] <ripps> soren: it doesn't matter, because 0.10 in hardy
[08:00] <soren> It does matter.
[08:00] <pbryan> Well, this is my own package. I'm not trying to modify an existing Ubuntu package.
[08:00] <soren> It will reject  your upload saying that there's already a newer version in the archive.
[08:00] <ripps> technically, it should have had ~hardy1 in his hardy packages.
[08:00] <pbryan> Ah.
[08:00] <pbryan> So, 0.11~karmic1?
[08:00] <soren> pbryan: Or 0.10-karmic1
[08:01] <soren> Or 0.10-1. If this is entirely your own package, it's very much up to you, really.
[08:01] <pbryan> Okay.
[08:01] <pbryan> So, let's say 0.10-1 then
[08:01] <pbryan> :)
[08:01] <soren> The point of the ~ppa1 notation is this:
[08:01] <soren> If you have 0.1.2.3-5ubuntu12 in the archive, and you want to patch it and put it in your PPA..
[08:01] <pbryan> Right, that makes complete sense.
[08:02] <soren> ..you give your new package a version of 0.1.2.3-5ubuntu13~ppa1..
[08:02] <pbryan> But since my package ain't in Ubuntu, the ~ convention isn't particularly useful.
[08:02] <soren> That way, it's newer than 0.1.2.3-5ubuntu12, but if an official 0.1.2.3-5ubuntu13 turns up, the official one will take precedence.
[08:02] <pbryan> Right.
[08:05] <ripps> soren: you could also keep the ubuntu12 and just add +ppa1, and ubuntu13 with still take precedence when released
[08:06] <pbryan> Thanks ripps, soren, noodles775 for your help.
[08:07] <soren> ripps: True.
[08:08] <ripps> i like this way, so users know my package is based of ubuntu12 and it just has a few additions by me
[08:10] <noodles775> wgrant (and kb9vqf if interested): the original upload with the incorrect name caused this: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/35140507/mWrWmk0XCcF5NXAUQL3ouAhHpTl.txt
[08:10] <noodles775> which looks like it might be a recent issue (well, I know that ensurePerson has been updated not too long ago...)
[08:10] <noodles775> s/name/email
[08:11] <wgrant> noodles775: Oh, indeed, that's very recent (probably since the master split a couple of weeks ago). Maybe it was fixed for a while.
[08:13] <noodles775> wgrant: you haven't created a bug for it have you? I'll do so now otherwise.
[08:14] <wgrant> noodles775: I haven't.
[08:18] <pbryan> Hmm, the changes file doesn't seem to contain a reference to the .orig.tar.gz file when I use -1 suffix.
[08:19] <pbryan> Do I need to specify something with debuild to include it in the changes file?
[08:27] <noodles775> wgrant: bug 475172
[08:28]  * noodles775 sets it to medium.
[08:28] <wgrant> Let's hope that Curtis is asleep.
[08:32] <bigjools> sigh, again
[08:33] <wgrant> Yep.
[08:33] <wgrant> ensurePerson seems to be cursed.
[08:33] <wgrant> Almost as much as gina.
[08:33] <wgrant> (some packages are failing to import -- no idea why)
[08:33] <bigjools> but Gina is Bug Free (tm)
[08:33] <wgrant> ®
[08:34] <pbryan> :)
[08:34] <wgrant> It seems a pretty strange failure, though. The SPRs already exist in sid (and in LP), and they migrated to squeeze, but LP does not see them in squeeze.
[08:35] <soren> ™
[09:02]  * apw notes that the launch offline link points you to a page which redirects you to another page which does not contain the current outage
[09:02] <apw> https://dev.launchpad.net/Maintenance has no mention of today
[09:04] <noodles775> Thanks apw - updated.
[09:06] <thekorn> hasn't there been some nicer 503 error pages on launchpad in the past?
[09:06] <thekorn> by nicer I also mean some more text describing what's going on
[09:07] <noodles775> yes - that's not normal afaik.
[09:08] <yos> How long will launchpad be down for ?
[09:08] <noodles775> 90mins
[09:09] <yos> cool , thanks
[09:09] <noodles775> yos: currently upgrading to the latest release, and unfortunately we weren't able to provide read-only access this time.
[09:10] <glen> 503 Service Unavailable
[09:10] <glen> laynchpad down?
[09:12] <sitsofe> Ah the subject says it all
[09:14] <Phurl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/468320 503 Service Unavailable No server is available to handle this request.
[09:15] <wgrant> Phurl: Launchpad is currently offline for an upgrade.
[09:15] <Phurl> ok
[09:15] <wgrant> But the error page seems to not be the usual informative one.
[09:15] <Phurl> what about a cached version?
[09:15] <Phurl> i would like to know why my system has no sound after an upgrade
[09:16] <wgrant> Phurl: That's not possible for this particular release. There is a day-old copy of the data at staging.launchpad.net, however.
[09:16] <Phurl> ok
[09:18] <sitsofe> Phurl: re sound. There could be a number of reasons
[09:18] <Phurl> sitsofe, yes? can you show me some help
[09:19] <sitsofe> Phurl: I'd check alsamixer volumes and whether speaker-test worked
[09:19] <Phurl> hi all, my sound is not working since upgrade. I have recompiled the alsa according to the comprehensive faq. Stil have no sound cards. http://fmtyewtk.blogspot.com/2009/11/reload-alsa-modules.html
[09:19] <sitsofe> Phurl: ah. This is probably the wrong channel in that case
[09:22] <sitsofe> Phurl: I'd try #ubuntu or the ALSA IRC channel (dunno where that one is though). Good luck!
[09:23] <Phurl> thanks
[09:23] <Phurl> i have tried in ubunut
[09:23] <Phurl> they said reinstall
[09:23] <Phurl> omg
[09:23] <sitsofe> Phurl: If you are hand compiling going to the ALSA one may be better
[09:23] <Phurl> i have compiled
[09:23] <Phurl> thanks anyway
[09:25] <sitsofe> Phurl: Assuming the module is loading and you are using testing your sound using ALSA direct then that suggests you have a card ALSA doesn't quite know how to drive. My experience is that most ALSA problems are down to mixer settings though (so it's important that you just test that by itself without going through layers above first)
[09:25] <Phurl> it was fine before i upgraded
[09:25] <Phurl> now i cannot even see the card in the ist
[09:25] <Phurl> list
[09:25] <Phurl> aplay -l
[09:25] <AlanBell> Phurl: #ubuntu is very noisy, the loco channels tend to be better
[09:26] <AlanBell> so the 503 error is known and under control I assume?
[09:27] <sitsofe> AlanBell: Check the IRC topic
[09:27] <spm> AlanBell: "Launchpad will be down from 0900 UTC until 1030 UTC for a code update"
[09:27] <spm> AlanBell: we're just having troubles getting the normal "pretty" we're down for maintenance message rto show :-/
[09:27] <AlanBell> ah great thanks. I will let you all get on with it then :-)
[09:27] <spm> :-)
[09:40] <alkisg_work> Hi, I'm thinking of creating/uploading a really big (200-300 MB) package in my PPA. It will contain a blob of a virtual disk image, and it will be used for easy LTSP installations. Any reasons against this? Thanks!
[09:41] <bigjools> alkisg_work: good question, perhaps mrevell knows if this is within the PPA usage terms?
[09:42] <wgrant> Anything that makes LTSP setup easier seems like a win.
[09:42] <mrevell> That's an interesting one alkisg_work
[09:42] <alkisg_work> (the image will only contain floss software and will be the same one that is produced with ltsp-build-client)
[09:43] <mrevell> alkisg_work, I can't see any problems with that
[09:43] <alkisg_work> Thank you all!
[09:43] <mrevell> alkisg_work, let me take a look at the terms of use just to double check
[09:43] <alkisg_work> Sure
[09:43] <alkisg_work> I was mostly worried if launchpad will be able to cope with such big uploads
[09:44] <mrevell> alkisg_work, So long as you're meeting the licence requirements of the software you're providing in the binary, and that software is all FLOSS, then I don't see a terms of use problem here. bigjools, is the size of the blob a technical issue?
[09:45] <maxb> It's smaller that OOo
[09:45] <maxb> :-)
[09:45] <alkisg_work> Heh, true :
[09:45] <maxb> *than
[09:45] <alkisg_work> :)
[09:47] <alkisg_work> Thank you guys
[09:47] <mrevell> alkisg_work, Yeah, I don't see a problem with the size of the upload, really. bigjools should be able to confirm.
[09:47] <mrevell> np alkisg_work
[10:11] <SteveA> hi
[10:11] <SteveA> the launchpad offline page is really really annoying
[10:12] <SteveA> instead of serving a page up at the URL I want, but serving the offline page with a 5xx error
[10:12] <SteveA> it redirects me to an "offline" page
[10:12] <SteveA> the problem with this is, I lose any URLs I have in my browser when I refresh the URLs
[10:12] <SteveA> such as when I restart my firefox session
[10:12] <SteveA> this is a significant loss of state.
[10:13] <SteveA> the offline page is even a 200 OK
[10:13] <SteveA> it should be a 5xx
[10:19] <mwhudson> SteveA: i believe that the unsatisfactoriness of the page is known
[10:19] <mwhudson> SteveA: something about the new proxy wasn't set up right
[10:20] <SteveA> thanks mwhudson
[10:20] <wgrant> There was just an ugly plain uninformative 503 page initially; I imagine that this was an emergency measure.
[10:22] <moradan> hello, have anybody worked with po4a for making .po files from their own xmls or maybe somebody can point me with a more suitable tool? (I need to upload to the launchpad two xmls for translation - actually only items inside tags <para></para>)
[10:25] <paddy2706> hey, is the update complete? i just tried to checkout files from bzr but it will only throw me errors
[10:35] <moradan> sorry - needed to change the irc-client (empathy sucks)
[10:57] <wgrant> Is everything back up? I proposed a merge a couple of minutes before the downtime, and still haven't received an email about it.
[11:05] <wgrant> It looks like codehosting cronjobs are not runnning?
[11:05] <noodles775> wgrant: nope :/... still issues getting codebrowse up... tim and aaron currently investigating.
[11:06] <wgrant> Ah. Fun.
[11:22] <bigjools> mrevell: that blob size is fine (can't reply to the dude, he's gone)
[11:22] <mrevell> thanks bigjools
[11:34] <eagles0513875> hey guys im on firefox and on launchpad.net. im logged in but for some reason there is no button to report bugs?
[11:36] <idnar> is bazaar.launchpad.net known to be not working?
[11:37] <philip_stoev1> hi guys, bzr pull using an HTTP URL does not work -- http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~randgen/randgen/rqg2/ hangs indefinitely
[11:37] <philip_stoev1> mrevell: ^^^
[11:38] <mrevell> Hi idnar, philip_stoev1 We're having some issues with code hosting following this morning's code roll-out. Sorry about that. I'll update the channel topic.
[11:39] <eagles0513875> mrevell: what bout filing bugs on launchpad. i am not seeing report bug link on the bug page
[11:39] <eagles0513875> on here https://bugs.launchpad.net/
[11:39] <mrevell> Hi eagles0513875. Which project do you want to report a bug about?
[11:40] <eagles0513875> a bug in kopete
[11:40] <eagles0513875> seems like when i click on a website url it opens abi word
[11:41] <wgrant> eagles0513875: ubuntu-bug kopete
[11:41] <eagles0513875> wgrant: ?
[11:41] <wgrant> eagles0513875: Run that command.
[11:41] <wgrant> eagles0513875: It is the way that one is meant to file Ubuntu bugs now.
[11:42] <eagles0513875> not via lp
[11:42] <wgrant> Not directly, no.
[11:43] <eagles0513875> ok
[11:47] <eagles0513875> wgrant: so all future bugs get reported via ubuntu-bug
[11:47] <mrevell> eagles0513875, If they're bugs in Ubuntu. There's more about it here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[11:48] <eagles0513875> im on kubuntu mrevell or does it really matter
[11:48] <mrevell> eagles0513875, Yeah, for reporting bugs it doesn't make a difference.
[11:52] <eagles0513875> ok ty mrevell
[12:41] <rodrigo_> hi
[12:41] <rodrigo_> seems branches proposed for merging get stuck in the 'Updating branch details' step
[12:41] <rodrigo_> we've seen 2 of them -> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/evolution-couchdb/birth-date-format and https://launchpad.net/~teknico.net/ubuntuone-servers/dont-panic-on-partial-contacts/+merge/14466
[12:42] <noodles775> rodrigo_: sorry, we're still eliminating a few remaining issues after the Launchpad upgrade earlier today.
[12:43] <rodrigo_> noodles775: ah, ok, so should we just wait, or push them again?
[12:43] <mrevell> I'll be away for a while, for an eye test. Back later
[12:59] <Meths> What's the version number for today's launchpad release?
[12:59] <maxb> 3.1.10
[12:59] <Meths> Thanks
[13:00] <idnar> 3.1.10.ohnoes.codehosting.is.broken? ;)
[13:34] <noodles775> rodrigo_: there shouldn't be a need to push them again - the code is there, it just hasn't been scanned yet.
[13:54] <lodder> I having an issue with translations for time-drive fr.po, the accents are differend characters then they should be. what could be the issue?
[14:05] <esr> Hello, I'm looking for a launchpad site admin.  I tried to register a project there and it didn't happen; I want to know if the attempt failed for some technical reason or was rejected, and if it was rejected why that was.
[14:06] <beuno> esr, what project?
[14:06] <noodles775> Hi esr, mrevell should be able tot help you - what's the project name (and how long ago ...
[14:08] <esr> mrevell? Ah, I need to speak with him about something else related.  The project was called "forgepluckertest" and I tried to create it last week.  For explanation, see http://home.gna.org/forgeplucker/  - I need dummy projects for regression testing on all target forges, and intend to support launchpad.
[14:08] <mrevell> Hey esr, let me see what happened to that project.
[14:09] <esr> And I want to talk to mrevell about importing from forgeplucker state dumps, since I know he's already interested in that problem.
[14:13] <mrevell> esr, I see a forgepluckertest project at https://launchpad.net/forgepluckertest and it tells me that the project has been approved by a member of the Launchpad team.
[14:17] <esr> Odd, it's not showing on my personal page.
[14:17] <esr> That's why I thought it hadn't gone through.
[14:17] <esr> I see it.  Good.
[14:18] <esr> Now, mrevell.  Since you're here, I saw the work you did on importing Trac bugs via an XML dump.  You are that guy, right?
[14:18] <mrevell> esr, Yeah, I think we should list the projects that you own on your profile page. I'll file a bug if there isn't want.
[14:19] <mrevell> esr, I'm afraid that's not me. Let me find the right person, I think it was gmb
[14:19] <esr> OK.
[14:19] <gmb> esr: Hi, how can I help?
[14:19] <Whoopie> Hi, are there any problems with the PPAs? One of my builds was scheduled for today (in ~ 4 hours), but now it's scheduled in 2 days, see https://launchpad.net/~whoopie79/+archive/ppa/+build/1320166
[14:20] <esr> gmb: Please read this: http://home.gna.org/forgeplucker/
[14:20]  * gmb looks
[14:20] <esr> I'm looking for someone at Launchpad who'se interested enough in supporting project export/import to do our Launchpad handler class.
[14:21] <esr> We do Berlios and Savannah/Gna already and I'm talking with the SourceForge guys.
[14:21] <gmb> esr: I'm definitely interested, though I've got a very full plate at the moment. Are you looking to get all data out of LP or just bugs?
[14:21] <esr> Bugs for now,  Eventually all data.
[14:22] <gmb> esr: Right. Then yes, I might well be able to help you :).
[14:23] <esr> OK.  Please join here, there's a dev mailing list. https://gna.org/projects/forgeplucker/
[14:23] <esr> I'm hoping to get responsible [people from all the major forges.
[14:24] <esr> If we all work together this won't be a hard problem.
[14:24] <esr> And I think the walls between forges create brittleness in our infrastructure that could bite us in the ass very badly.
[14:25] <gmb> esr: Agreed.
[14:25] <gmb> esr: I'll join the list. I'll also speak to other people within the Launchpad team who may be able to help, though for the most part I think this could be quite straightforward to do.
[14:25] <gmb> Thanks for bringing this to my attention; it's a very interesting project.
[14:25] <esr> Excellent!  Thank you.
[14:26] <gmb> You're welcome.
[14:27] <lodder> I having an issue with translations for time-drive fr.po, the accents are differend characters then they should be. what could be the issue?
[14:27] <mrevell> Hi lodder
[14:27] <esr> gmb: I got turned on to this problem about a month ago when berlios.de had an outage that I feared might be permanent.  One of my projects lives there.
[14:28] <esr> After I recovered (painfully) I decided "Never again!".
[14:29] <lodder> hi mrevell
[14:29] <mrevell> lodder, Can you point me to an example?
[14:30] <jcastro> mrevell, you're in luck sir. We have an open slot last minute on openweek  at 2200UTC. Got anyone who wants to talk about something awesome?
[14:30] <lodder> mrevell: yea sure can I paste it here?
[14:30] <mrevell> hey jcastro, I think I can probably rustle someone up :) Gimme a couple of hours and I'll let you know
[14:30] <mrevell> lodder, If it's not too big, please do :)
[14:30] <lodder> mrevell: msgstr "Supprimé "
[14:31] <mrevell> lodder, And what would expect to see?
[14:31]  * frozty_sa joins too
[14:31] <lodder> mrevell: I can't type it here :( I ge the same funny chars
[14:32] <jcastro> mrevell, that would be awesome, but if it's going to force someone to rush and do a shoddy last minute job then I don't mind ending the day an hour early.
[14:32] <mrevell> lodder, I don't see any unusual chars in what you pasted. I see an acute accent over the letter e
[14:33] <jcastro> mrevell, however I know the caliber of your people. :p
[14:33] <jcastro> I recommend volunteering gmb.
[14:33] <lodder> I see a different sign could it be that my terminal is causing it?
[14:33] <mrevell> jcastro, heh :) I was thinking of asking someone in the Americas, as 22.00 UTC may not be pub-time for them :)
[14:33] <gmb> jcastro: If I had time in a bucket, I would. Sadly, not so.
[14:33] <lodder> I see a copyright and capital A with tilde
[14:34] <lodder> mrevell: ^ ^
[14:34] <mrevell> lodder, I'm guessing you're not seeing this problem with accented characters elsewhere, right?
[14:35] <jcastro> gmb, out of curiosity, didn't you guys make the API specifically for people to be able to suck out their data and do things like back it up?
[14:35] <lodder> I don't know, I'm using a shell session I'm not @home
[14:36] <mrevell> lodder, that may well be the cause of the problem. From what I can see, it's not an issue with the translation string or with Launchpad.
[14:36] <gmb> jcastro: Among other things, yes. The API should make the forgeplucker handler quite simple.
[14:36] <lodder> mrevell: any idea what it then could be I'm using ubuntu karmic
[14:37] <gmb> esr: I can sympathise. One of our main aims for the next six to twelve months is to make it much easier to get your data into and out of Launchpad, so ForgePlucker dovetails nicely with our own goals.
[14:38] <mrevell> lodder, I'm afraid I don't know. You may get a good answer in #ubuntu-fr or #ubuntu, though
[14:38] <esr> gmb: I think I vcan be direct help with that.  One of the thing s I've already done is invent an XML dump fprmat for bugtracker state that spans three forge types.  One of my goals is to generalize that to handle all project state.
[14:39] <lodder> mrevell: asking it in #ubuntu hopefully get quick anwser, thx for the help
[14:39] <esr> Since I've invented that, you guys don't have to :-)
[14:40] <esr> A standard exchange format would be a *huge* win, and I'm interested in building and caretaking the schemas and documentation around that.
[14:41] <gmb> esr: That's definitely something that we'd be interested in working with, both for imports and exports. We have our own bug interchange format, but it's far more important to standardise on the same thing as other forges and bug trackers than it is to use something that exactly matches our internal data model.
[14:41] <esr> Launchpad is interesting because unlike the three forges I support now, it's not an Alexandria descendant.
[14:42] <esr> So if I can get my ontology to match theirs *and* yours, it will be a good indication that the design as sound for all our purposes.
[14:42] <gmb> Definitely.
[14:43] <esr> One of the interesting parts of the job will be impedance-matching the different data models. I intend to do this really systematically, to the point that I'm bringing in a n expert on formal deduction from ontologies.
[14:45] <esr> Your importer won't necessarily be able to do everything, but at least we can write the schema and code so it does the best possible job and leaves clear warning of what parts of a state capture it can't handle.
[14:46] <esr> Fun stuff, eh?
[14:46] <MTecknology> How do I pull a branch over http?
[14:50] <mrevell> MTecknology, Right now we have a problem with http branch access. We're working to fix it.
[14:51] <MTecknology> mrevell: ok, thanks
[14:52] <mrevell> MTecknology, keep an eye on http://identi.ca/launchpadstatus for updates
[14:52] <MTecknology> ok, thank
[14:52] <MTecknology> s
[15:05] <cody-somerville> Is there a problem with branch mirroring? I'm seeing a delay of over half an hour.
[15:06] <mrevell> noodles775, is branch mirroring affected by the code hosting problems we've had?
[15:09] <cody-somerville> and by branch mirroring, I'm not referring to remote branch imports
[15:28] <danderson> Hi.
[15:28] <danderson> Does LP serve links to the head revision of a file in raw form?
[15:29] <danderson> something like http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~eopadoan/%2Bjunk/django-html-mode/annotate/head:/django-html-mode.el , but that serves the raw file content, not annotations
[15:29] <danderson> I tried a simple s/annotate/download/, and got an HTTP 500 back :(
[16:09] <apw> i am suspicious that some of the packagesets have dissapeared from the database since this AMs upgrade... specifically the karmic-kernel packageset seems to have gone
[17:42] <fagan> Is something wrong with pushing code to a bzr branch on launchpad?
[17:44] <fagan> At least the ppas are building faster now
[17:44] <Meths> fagan: /topic
[17:45] <fagan> bloody empathy
[17:45] <fagan> "unsupported command"
[17:45] <fagan> Ah
[17:47] <lodder> Hi my trunk keeps saying updating trunk .... after the update what could be the issue?
[17:48] <fagan> lodder: Im having the same problem its a temporary problem with bzr
[17:48] <lodder> fagan: ah ok any idea when it's going to be fixed?
[17:49] <fagan> Nope but I wouldnt say it would be too long
[17:49] <lodder> ok
[17:54] <cody-somerville> Its not a problem with bzr
[17:54] <cody-somerville> its a problem with the launchpad codehosting service
[18:17] <mtaylor> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~drizzle-developers/drizzle/staging/".
[18:17] <mtaylor> except it really is
[18:19] <beuno> mtaylor, topic
[18:20] <mtaylor> beuno: thanks. sorry
[18:20] <beuno> mtaylor, we're sorry  :)
[18:29] <smoser> is this expected at the moment:
[18:29] <smoser> $ bzr pull
[18:29] <smoser> Using saved parent location: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-on-ec2/ubuntu-on-ec2/ec2-publishing-scripts/
[18:29] <smoser> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-on-ec2/ubuntu-on-ec2/ec2-publishing-scripts/".
[18:29] <beuno> smoser, yes, topic
[18:29] <beuno> we're figured out the problem
[18:29] <beuno> and we're deploying a fix
[18:29] <smoser> thanks. sorry i can't read.
[18:29] <beuno> it should be fixed shortly
[18:29] <beuno> smoser, no worries, I get the feeling that the topic is *not* the best place to announce these things
[18:31] <smoser> i dont knwo where it should be... i didn't even really know if this was the right place to ask. i actually did skim the topic. thanks though.
[18:39] <Laney> launchpad has been "Updating branch" of ubuntu-dev-tools for some hours now. Has something hung?
[18:39] <Laney> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/ubuntu-dev-tools/trunk
[18:41] <james_w> Laney: yup
[18:41] <james_w> fix is in progress
[18:41] <Laney> alright
[18:41] <Laney> didn't know if it was the same as topic
[18:41] <Laney> or what was just being discussed
[18:42] <Laney> guess these things are quite coupled
[18:44] <SolidSilver> Good day.  I'm suddenly getting a bunch of bug notifications in email.  All are duplicate notifications, and none are for crash reports I've sent. Do you have a misconfigured mail handler?
[18:47] <SolidSilver> The sender is "Apport retracing service <der.pitti@gmail.com>"
[19:15] <menesis> wow, 17 ppa builders instead of 3? queue looks much better now, thanks :)
[21:32] <MTecknology> hu?
[21:53] <PATX> does this mean i have uploaded a new version of a current ppa: http://patx.me/paste/79038.html - yesterday i was told to wait for an email but i never got it...
[21:54] <micahg> no, you should get an e-mail
[21:54] <micahg> PATX: did you check your spam folder?
[21:54] <PATX> yep
[21:56] <PATX> i have gmail... annd i know i can get emails cos i have been receiving them all day.
[21:57] <micahg> is that the address associated with LP?
[21:58] <PATX> yep
[21:58] <wgrant> PATX: Did you sign the package with a key that Launchpad knows about?
[21:59] <PATX> yes the one on my page... 76C4695F
[22:00] <PATX> wgrant - i used dpkg-buildpackage -S -k76C4695F to make .deb src
[22:00] <PATX> so i signed right?
[22:00] <PATX> cos i entered my pass
[22:00] <wgrant> I suspect so.
[22:00] <PATX> yea... so...
[22:01] <wgrant> Are the email addresses that you referenced in the changelog (Changed-By and Maintainer) registered properly in LP?
[22:01] <PATX> O.o lemme see
[22:01] <wgrant> It shouldn't matter, but due to a configuration change a couple of weeks ago it seems that it now does (a bug).
[22:01] <PATX> no... but the one ther fwds to my gmail...
[22:02] <PATX> ok, ill change n try again
[22:07] <PATX> ok changed email n then re-built it, then dput my-ppa... so now wait like 5-10 min for email?
[22:09] <wgrant> PATX: The email should arrive within 5 minutes.
[22:42] <tsimpson> is there a time scale for bug #385517 ?
[22:43] <maxb> tsimpson: Perhaps #launchpad-dev would be a better audience for that question
[22:44] <tsimpson> maybe, I just noticed that it has passed between milestones for a few months
[23:11] <PATX> wgrant - still no email...
[23:44] <bibinou> hi
[23:44] <bibinou> I want to mark a bug as duplicate but I have very few karma
[23:44] <bibinou> is this a problem ?
[23:45] <bibinou> (and am I is the right channel for asking this ?)
[23:45] <wgrant> bibinou: That's no problem.
[23:45] <tormod> james_w, I just filed bug 475983 - is it filed in the right place?
[23:45] <bibinou> wgrant: thanks !
[23:46] <bibinou> wgrant: I think I should mark the newest bug as the duplicate of the newest, or it depends ?
[23:46] <tormod> bibinou, unless the newest one has more information and is worked on
[23:47] <james_w> tormod: re-assigned, thanks for the bug
[23:47] <wgrant> bibinou: Generally use the one with the most information as the master, and mark the others as duplicates of that.
[23:47] <james_w> tormod: I don't know how that is so messed up
[23:48] <bibinou> wgrant: thanks !
[23:48] <bibinou> thanks
[23:50] <tormod> bibinou, about bug triaging in Ubuntu, you can also ask in #ubuntu-bugs
[23:51] <bibinou> ok thanks
[23:54] <djbclark> how do you manually remove a package from a ppa? Doc mentions its possible but haven't found doc that says exactly how you do it yet.
[23:55] <djbclark> nevermind found it in the web ui, about 10 seconds after above of course :)