[02:07] hey yall [02:07] anyone here [02:07] i need some information please [02:07] yap [02:08] how do I get my sound back after upgrading to 9.10 [02:08] it was there for aminute [02:08] but then went by the waqy saide [02:08] :) [02:08] Hmmm [02:10] have you checked the forums? [02:10] also try asking in #ubuntu [02:10] well if anybody has a clue and can help a poor girl out let me know [02:10] what is that may aI ask [02:11] deanna: #ubuntu is the best place for support questions [02:12] can ya please tell me [02:12] I am really slow [02:12] I just finally figured out how to install upgrades :-) [02:12] so i am in the right place [02:13] hello [02:13] deanna: there is a support channel for Ubuntu [02:13] it is #ubuntu [02:13] that is where the people most likely to be able to help you will be [02:13] Hi deanna - what programme are you using to talk to us here? [02:13] not the #ubuntu-classroom [02:14] ubuntu 9.10\ [02:14] No [02:14] empathy then, probably [02:14] the newset one and thee only one that o\worked with ethernet [02:14] xchat? [02:14] how do i find it [02:14] empathy? [02:14] I think empathy [02:14] Try typing /j #ubuntu [02:14] I don't think xchat comes in 9.10 [02:15] im in 9.1 [02:15] stooj: empathy doesn't understand /commands [02:15] nope, I had to install it [02:15] in the terminal [02:15] stooj? [02:15] Bah. Just setting up an empathy IRC account so I can figure it out [02:15] deanna: no [02:15] k tanks [02:15] Sorry, don't worry about tht command [02:15] let me know [02:15] Will find you the correct way [02:15] deanna: go to Room->Join Room [02:16] Thanks [02:16] sorry, join new [02:16] k here does it day room [02:16] select IRC from the drop-down [02:16] say* [02:16] and type #ubuntu for the room name === FuturePilot is now known as Fufu [02:17] i think im there lol [02:17] Beat me to it, mhall119 [02:17] Thanks and i also will stay here if yall find an answer :-0 MUCH APPRECITAED [02:18] LUV UBUNTU LOL [02:18] you are not from lynchburg are ya? [02:18] lol no [02:18] Michigan hick here lol [02:19] it also says that i was rebrouted [02:19] outt of #UBUNTU [02:19] k, got a sister inlaw there, she been saying she was gonna load Ubuntu for years [02:19] rerouted* [02:19] I recently puchased my laptop with it on it [02:19] sweet [02:20] and I have been wqiting for the day I can find sumthing else [02:20] Awesome deanna [02:20] Ubuntu is great, once tweaked [02:20] like any OS [02:21] but then 9.10 cam eout [02:21] an d i could get online again [02:21] exactly kut [02:21] once you get your sound fixed, come here and ask for some pointers to make that thing work better for ya [02:21] yea and i was ready to delete it cause icouldnt figure it out [02:21] but like ai said [02:21] i am a wee slow on techno things [02:21] i am totally wanting to learn it [02:22] just takes some time and effort, mostly gotta ask the right questions at the right time [02:22] yes it does [02:22] AND determintation [02:22] LOL [02:22] which i have sometimes :-) [02:23] It took me a few weeks to get it down. [02:23] OK, deanna - have you read this: http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/ [02:23] great site [02:23] WHAT IS THE COMMAND TO FIND OUT WHAT SOUND EVICES ARE INSTALLED [02:23] sorry caps [02:23] deanna: Recommended reading when you're starting out [02:23] im missing fingers [02:23] I totally will [02:23] bookmarked it :-) [02:24] Deanna: Also, try joining #ubuntu again [02:24] in the stsatus icon in the upper right, does the speaker have a red x? [02:24] k but it says if i leave somehting bad will happen lol [02:26] deanna, have you set up a Ubuntuforums.org account yet? [02:26] yes [02:26] i think so the main ubuntulinux.org [02:27] let me try [02:27] it may be a bit slower, but you may get better results there [02:27] AHH yes i have [02:27] lol [02:27] for my ethernet a few weeks ago lol [02:27] i was left confused :-) [02:27] happens sometimes [02:27] what should i search for [02:28] what system are you using? [02:28] i have tried no sound and it said too general [02:28] ubuntu 9.10 [02:28] karmic kaola [02:28] use google search to find answers in ubuntuforums [02:28] k [02:28] ha, "no sound" will get you thousands of threads. [02:28] yea it said too generall [02:28] LOL [02:28] such as "ubuntu 9.10 audio problems [02:29] It's an all too common linux problem, alas. [02:29] awesome [02:29] tanks i will try it out [02:29] :-) [02:29] deanna: Also, there is a Michigan Ubuntu user group that will probably be able to help [02:29] if you include ubuntu, it will almost always take you to a thread that can help [02:29] thats cool [02:29] deanna: If you join #ubuntu-us-mi you will find them [02:29] maybe 9.10 OR karmic -- a lot of people post about releases by name, not number [02:29] akk: true [02:30] (I always use the name when blogging problems/workarounds) [02:30] im so inspired that i got the ethernet going by myself I HAVE FAITH IN MYSELF LOL with help of corse [02:32] deanna: http://wwww.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1311206 [02:33] it may be helpful [02:33] k [02:34] installing gnome alsamixer is that a bad thing? [02:34] im afraid i may do too much and clog my machine [02:35] alsamixer isn't very big [02:36] 610k [02:37] need the command or can ya find it in Syanaptic Package Manager/ [02:37] ? [02:37] extra w in that link running_rabbit07 [02:38] Hah! Still resolves though :) [02:38] just copied and pasted, didn't even notice [02:39] that's odd, just looked and every link I was clicking had the wwww in it [02:41] I am glad Ubuntu is smart enough to fix my what my fingers can't === Fufu is now known as FuturePilot [03:19] Hi [03:21] burnt coffee? [03:36] Hi [03:55] hello? [03:56] my 9.10 update screwed up. grub issue [03:56] Shalendar[ubuntu, ask in #ubuntu [03:56] ooooookay [03:57] #ubuntu [03:57] ok, how do i get there [03:57] /join #ubuntu [03:57] thanks [04:01] Hi Nathon [04:52] Is #ubuntu-classroom always filled with so many support requests? [04:59] Night! :) [05:16] Hello, is there anyone who can help me? I have a hp dv6-1030us and installed ubuntu 9.10 and can't get my wireless card working [05:26] schithen: This isn't a support channel - you'll have better luck with #ubuntu or your local ubuntu-loco channel [06:03] I have a Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01) [06:03] with the new ubuntu 9.10 [06:04] and I just can't get the wireless to work [06:04] I have also installed the backports [06:07] Does the machine have a wifi on/off switch? is it on? [06:07] Atheros wifi should work out of the box afaik [06:14] it does not have a wireless switch [06:14] I wish it did :-/ [06:15] also I have tried this post http://www.jfwhome.com/2009/08/06/perfect-ubuntu-jaunty-on-the-asus-eeepc-1005ha-and-1008ha/ [06:15] and it doesn't work [06:16] I don't get how this works for jaunty but not karmica [06:16] doesn't make sense [07:13] hello? [07:13] is anyone there? [07:13] i'm a neewb in serious need of help wit my ubunto [07:14] is anyone there? [07:14] I just need to know how and if I need to partition my Vista 64 bit OS [07:21] need to install STA broadcom driver in karmic [07:46] just looking at the schedule for today [07:46] what is WIOS? [07:48] can't imagine it is the radio station for old people http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WIOS [07:49] Women In Open Source AlanBell [07:50] ah ok thanks [07:50] Not a problem [07:54] I expanded the abbreviation on the wiki [08:08] AlanBell: probably a good call [08:09] * MenZa did not know until he read up on it, either [08:27] * gnomeye is working [08:39] test [08:40] loud-n-clear [08:42] this empathy client isnt very IRC friendly... looking. [08:43] ethos101, empathy is not that great. x-chat works ok [08:44] im trying to include IRC in my IM. I might try pidgin in a minute [08:45] there is a funny workaround to get empathy irc friendly [08:45] workaround you say? [08:46] yes rww showed me how to do it last week. [08:46] i had mirc running under wine but it's a little buggy for my taste. it was wine beta though. [08:47] whats the workaround [08:48] just a sec im looking googling - its someting funky [08:54] hi [08:56] hello [08:59] hi [09:01] well, pidgins about the same. both like to crash often [09:11] ethos101: pidgin crashes? when? not so often like empathy... never [09:13] initially when i set up irc connection it did [09:20] hey guys..now that ive updated to the new Ubuntu version, I cant access my favourite browser game...no idea why (im not very technical!) [09:20] which browser game is it? [09:20] mikey_, also, support is in #ubuntu [09:21] nodiatis, its called (can I give address?) [09:21] ok, well ill go there if ye cant help me? [09:22] Does the game not show up at all, or is it something else (can't click on it?)? [09:23] it loads [09:23] but cannot connect to the server [09:23] it was fine in last release === Xiella is now known as Xiella` [09:23] I have no idea, sorry. Try on #ubuntu, they might know === Xiella` is now known as Xiella [09:24] ok I will, thanks for your time anyway :-) [09:32] anybody here? [09:33] marek__: classes are over for now, I think there's about 4-5 hours til the next class? [09:35] I have one question about ubuntu instaling [09:35] Xiella: at 1500 UTC [09:37] gnomeye: Ah, that's right... 11 pm for me so i just think of start time as 4 am... [09:37] marek__: you might find more response in #ubuntu [09:44] hello is there anybody in here? [09:45] yes 216 people [09:45] hi ni [09:45] hi nik [09:46] Hello i need help with my new installation of Ubuntu 9.10 [09:46] dimple148: you may ask in #ubuntu [09:46] they might help you [09:46] ok thx [09:48] why can't i join #ubuntu? [09:56] hey [09:56] i got my disktop icons disappeared suddenly [09:57] Dinozex: support is in #ubuntu :) [09:57] thanks [10:20] Hello everyone [10:21] I have question.. [10:21] AFO_: support is in #ubuntu [10:22] you're welcome === Whitesquall1 is now known as Whitesquall [12:02] hey everyone === amik is now known as amichair === Jesi is now known as Jesi-Idle [14:12] Hi pl! [14:20] hello [14:21] does anybody know how to get the software centre to work behind a http firewall? (I've never used ubuntu before, but testing it in a Virtual box on Win7) [14:22] Do you have internet conectivity from inside the virtualbox? [14:22] yep, I'm using ubuntu now! [14:23] does it need more than just http forwarding/proxying do you think? [14:23] Does it restrict what ports can access the net? [14:23] lovol: you'll want to go to #ubuntu for support :) [14:23] no restrictions, other than it only forwards http requests (can;t get the ftp to work with freeproxy :( [14:23] we'll be starting up sessions again here in about 35 minutes [14:24] ahh right, i see this is a classroom, what gets tought here? is there a cylabus?? [14:24] lovol: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek [14:24] that's the schedule for this week [14:25] ok, yeah you'll want to go to #Ubuntu because this channel is going to be busy here soon, but try opening up all the ports for a minute or two to see if it's a port problem [14:26] cool, the reason I wanted ubuntu was to develop on it ( I'm a M$ sucker at the mo) and that start in 35 mins :) [14:26] hello,is xorg.conf in etc/X11 still for setting graphic?i have problem with standard settings on ubuntu 9.10.My hardware supports resolution 1024x768 100 HZ, but i dont have choice in "windowed" settings...i try configure xorg.conf but nothing happens...please help me if you know... [14:26] erno: please head into #ubuntu for support [14:26] lovol: great! :) === gnomeye is now known as gnomeye`work [14:30] UTC.equals(GMT+0)? [14:30] AntoniTen: yes [14:30] thanks === openweek5 is now known as n0rman [14:33] test === rgreening_ is now known as rgreening === Dig is now known as DigBig === openweek1 is now known as vcalvo [14:39] AntoniTen: you can run "date -u" on the command line to see current UTC time === hggdh_ is now known as hggdh === openweek3_ is now known as k0m0d0 [14:47] hi === freckle_ is now known as freckle [14:49] Must be some week. Nobody answering me on forum [14:52] am I here or not? [14:53] Sassinak__: yes your in here [14:56] hi folks [15:00] we'll be starting sessions in a minute, so I'm going to go ahead and moderate the channel now, please take questions and discussion to #ubuntu-classroom-chat :) [15:00] HELLO EVERYBODY! [15:00] I'm here with a fantastic developer and a great friend: James "james_w" Westby [15:01] hello [15:01] James and I will run a double-session block today [15:01] the first part of it will get you started with Ubuntu Development - getting your development environment set up and everything === akgraner changed the topic of #ubuntu-classroom to: Welcome to Ubuntu Open Week! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek (changes made, please check regularly) || Session: Getting Started in Ubuntu Development - James Westby and Daniel Holbach || All questions go in #ubuntu-classroom-chat [15:02] in the second part we'll dive head-first in some real-life activity and fix some Ubuntu bugs [15:02] if you could please prefix your questions with QUESTION: in #ubuntu-classroom-chat - that'd be nice [15:02] ie: QUESTION: james_w: I heard you're a great DJ - is that true? [15:02] thanks in advance. :-) [15:02] james_w: ready? :) [15:03] alright... one page you absolutely should bookmark is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted [15:03] it talks about all the stuff we're going to cover today and much much more [15:03] the Packaging Guide, how things in Ubuntu are done, where to find easy tasks to work on, etc. - it's all in there [15:04] some MOTU Videos too :) [15:04] one question we hear a lot is "if I want to do Ubuntu development - do I really need to run the development release?" [15:04] and the answer is yes [15:04] you need it to build packages, you need it to test packages, etc. [15:05] you don't have to run it as your main environment though [15:05] luckily, you don't need to have a broken system all the time because https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/UsingDevelopmentReleases explains various ways how to do that in a sane way :) [15:05] (but that's linked from the Getting Started page too :)) [15:06] so even if you don't run lucid right now (I don't blame you), let's all enable "Sources" in System -> Administration -> Software Properties -> Software [15:06] (please let me know in #ubuntu-classroom-chat if that takes you to the right place (I use the German version :-)) [15:06] that will give you easy access to the source of Ubuntu [15:06] afterwards please run [15:07] sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends gnupg pbuilder devscripts build-essential debhelper fakeroot [15:07] it will install a few tools we're going to need during our excercise here [15:07] james_w: want to say anything about the tools there? [15:07] or shall we talk about it later on? [15:07] I think we should cover those tools as they come up [15:08] makes sense :) [15:08] ok, let's talk about gpg keys [15:08] as a developer you're going to need a GPG key in order to sign packages and indicate that it was really you who touched them last [15:09] (you can generally use gpg to encrypt and/or sign files and messages) [15:09] so whenever I upload a source package to Ubuntu, I sign it first, so the build daemons know they can trust me and let it pass :) [15:10] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto has a lot of good information about how to use and set up gpg keys [15:10] we'll do the short version here [15:10] if you don't have a key yet(!), please run: [15:10] gpg --gen-key [15:10] james_w: want to talk about the values you best select in there? [15:11] the "comment" it asks for is optional [15:11] most people don't have one [15:11] and it can get confusing later if you put one in :-) [15:12] you don't have to use an @ubuntu.com email address or anything [15:12] james_w: any advice for all the numbers? (I mostly stick to the default values :-)) [15:12] me too [15:12] ok [15:12] let's crack on then [15:12] you might get a message that it is waiting for entropy shortly after you agreed on defaults or picked different values [15:13] in that case, let it run and do it's thing (it waits for more random numbers to generate the key, so some additional activity on the machine is what it's waiting for) [15:13] now we'll set up pbuilder (which also takes a bit of time for its setup) [15:13] please create a file called ~/.pbuilderrc [15:14] and put COMPONENTS="main universe multiverse restricted" into it [15:14] this will enable all components of Ubuntu as opposed to just "main" [15:15] now just save it - that's all the configuration it needs right now [15:15] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto talks about the more advanced options [15:15] (a good read btw.) [15:15] now please run [15:15] sudo pbuilder create [15:16] this will set up the pbuilder (by downloading all the minimally required packages), which can take a bit on a slow connection [15:16] so what's pbuilder [15:16] it's a tool to build packages in a minimal and clean environment [15:17] the great thing about it is, 1) you don't have to install millions of packages to build the package locally (and maybe remove them afterwards), but more importantly 2) you can afterwards guarantee that the package will build in a minimal environment with just the packages it specifies for building [15:17] if some of you have heard of Build-Depends before - that's what I'm referring to [15:17] QUESTION: how can we tell pbuilder to include binary-package-mangler (or whatever that "test the translations" thing is) [15:18] MsMaco: I think that's mentioned in the PbuilderHowto page - you can tell it to install additional packages and run arbitrary scripts in various hooks [15:18] do we have some more questions up until now already? [15:19] there's also a neat tool called pbuilder-dist (in the ubuntu-dev-tools package) that lets you build packages in various distro releases? (like: build supertux in dapper and hardy please) [15:20] james_w: anything you'd like to add right now? [15:20] pbuilder rocks [15:20] :-) [15:20] short and precise - that's why we all like james_w [15:20] you will need to run "pbuilder update" [15:20] every few days [15:20] that will install updated packages and update the apt lists [15:21]

Question: What skills do we need to have, or should have, before we get involved in development, are there any particular coding languages we should learn? [15:21] Jesi-Idle: I have that on my list in a bit :) [15:21] next we'll tell the packaging tools who we are [15:21] for that please edit ~/.bashrc in your favourite editor [15:21] (or .zshrc if you use zsh, etc.) [15:22] I added something like this to the end of the file: [15:22] export DEBFULLNAME='Daniel Holbach' [15:22] export DEBEMAIL='daniel.holbach@ubuntu.com' [15:22] please use the name and the email address you used for your gpg key in there [15:22] (although you can specify the key id somehow differently) [15:23] this will speed up development as you don't have to write your name all the time in changelogs and stuff [15:23] ....... unless you like doing that :) [15:23] afterwards please save the file [15:23] and run [15:23] source ~/.bashrc [15:23] or restart your terminal [15:24] QUESTION: Can we use pbuilder for setting something like an automated buildd when we are making batches of packages ? [15:24] kalon33: you can use pbuilder in scripts to do something like that - I guess it depends on your use-case [15:25] james_w: did we forget anything initial? [15:26] ok... so while pbuilder and gpg are still doing their thing, let's talk a bit about Ubuntu Development more generally [15:26] I really like Jesi-Idle's question [15:27] because the task of doing Ubuntu Development sounds very daunting in the beginning [15:27] if I was to think about important skills of new Ubuntu Developers, I personally wouldn't name "C, Python, C++, Makefiles, Shell scripting, etc." first [15:28] but different things like: [15:28] - be a good team player [15:28] - liking to make things work again [15:28] - don't be afraid of documentation [15:28] - don't be afraid to ask when you're unsure [15:28] - like doing some detective work [15:28] james_w: anything you'd add to the list? [15:29] that's certainly a good start [15:30] you need at least to be able to work a text editor [15:30] and knowing how to work the command line is a good idea [15:31] yep, you're right [15:31] any programming knowledge is a bonus [15:32] that's one good thing about working on Ubuntu - there's a lot to learn and we work on all packages together :) [15:32] a good place to talk to people about packaging and ubuntu development is the #ubuntu-motu channel [15:32] and ubuntu-motu-mentors@lists.ubuntu.com [15:33] there's a lot of friendly people who can help you getting up to speed with your first bug fixes [15:33] and there's of course: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted [15:33] indeed [15:33] (did I mention it already? :-)) [15:33] so go and bookmark it :) [15:34] Ubuntu Development is a lot about integrating good software better into Ubuntu [15:34] so packaging is your bread and butter every day [15:35] do we have any more questions about that? [15:35] Jesi-Idle: let us know if we answered your question well enough :) [15:35] secondly, I would like to know specifically how to get mentored. I've gone through the wiki pages, I've added myself to the mentor request list and no one has responded. I'm a web developer that would like to learn how to package programs written in PHP, such as phpMyAdmin, KohanaPHP and some others that I've requested. [15:35] oh, I missed that one [15:35] brettalton: there's the MOTU Mentoring programme, but I daresay it's under a lot of load right now [15:36] if you didn't receive a reply yet, try again [15:36] one thing should be clear: you don't need to have a mentor to participate [15:36] reading the packaging guide, having a look at example packages and how they work are a GREAT way to get started [15:37] and that's why you'll learn much quicker by working on existing packages, because there's a lot of knowledge of hundreds of maintainers already in them [15:37] since you enabled "Sources" in the software properties above, a simple apt-get source will give you access to how they did it [15:38] brettalton: the people in #ubuntu-server might know a bit more specifically about php packages and web apps in general [15:38] (or the Debian PHP team) [15:38]