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rippsfta: is there a way to change the priority of a ppa-bot run? in case I have a fix for a broken packages that I don't want to wait 36 hours for.07:19
eagles0513875morning08:50
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asacmicahg: hi20:07
asacfinally here if you need me ;)20:07
micahgok :)20:07
micahgjust wanted to fix xul191 and xul192 in dailies yesterday fta helped me20:08
asacgreat20:08
asacanyone has a 64-bit install?20:09
* micahg has 64 bit20:09
asacnot sure what happened, but since release day my browser starts to block for a while regularly20:09
asacfirefox 3.5 that is20:09
micahgasac: 3.5.5 is being released today20:09
asaci thought it was the sqlite update i added to -security PPA ... but that seems to be not the only reason20:09
asacmicahg: right. i got that from backlog :/20:10
asaci think i will stay hard this time and dont stop vacation for that20:10
asacdid that like 3 times in the past already20:10
micahgsqlite got bumped anyways, so it won't matter till lucid20:11
asacmicahg1: sqlite got bumped in 3.5 branch?20:11
micahg1wait, it wasn't bumped until 3.5.6 I think20:11
micahg1yeah20:11
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micahg3.5.620:11
asacok. thats still some time for us to react20:12
micahgbut 3.5.5 is being released today because of some crashes with 3.5.420:12
asacnot sure what to do20:12
asacyeah. it was a safe bet to see that coming20:12
asacthey landed like 140+ bug fixes for 3.5.4 ...20:12
micahgI bumped it for the dailies20:12
micahgwow20:12
asaci wouldnt even be shocked if they do a 3.5.6 next week ;)20:12
micahgwell, the GTK fixed was approved for 3.5.620:13
asacyeah. but if they do a firedrill 3.5.6 they would push everything else back to 3.5.720:13
micahgyeah20:14
micahgasac: where should I put the stuff I want to talk about for Lucid?20:14
asachttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Lucid/Ideas20:14
asacthx ;)20:14
asacone second20:14
asacnot sure if i already added anthe page20:15
asacok added three things there20:17
asacdamn ... wiki is slow ;)20:17
asacmicahg: go ahead and add your stuff there ;)20:18
asacthe brackets is just so one knows who added the idea  (e.g. no assignment etc.)20:18
asacmicahg: which version did they bump sqlite to?20:19
micahg3.6.16.120:19
asacok. thats just a minor bump then20:19
asacwe have 3.6.1620:20
micahgyeah20:20
micahgmaybe can get 3.6.16.1 as WRU?20:20
micahg*SRU?20:20
asacwe probably have to20:20
asacthe risk of internalizing a sqlite for xulrunner feels higher20:21
micahgis it clear we'll be moving to TB3 in lucid?20:22
asacthere is no news about 16.1 :( http://www.sqlite.org/news.html20:23
asacmicahg: i would think its safe to assume that. yes.20:23
micahgweird20:23
asacis tb3 out yet?20:23
asacanyway. we should push that up asap20:23
micahgwhich?20:23
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asactb320:24
micahgRC1 should be later this month20:24
micahgI think we should wait for that20:24
asacyeah20:24
micahgwill it take over the thunderbird package?20:24
BUGabundobRoas o/20:24
asacbut shouldnt matter ... the earlier the better20:24
asacmicahg: i have no strong opinion on that20:25
asacon the one hand i already see folks screeming20:25
micahgwell, I think it's better to put a stable version in20:25
asacif they get migrated to 3.020:25
asacbecause of different memory footprint ;)20:25
micahgwell, TB2 will be EOL shortly after lucid release20:25
asacotoh i dont think that tbird 2 will be supported much longer20:25
micahgwe can't leave it20:25
asacespecially not throughout the full LTS cycle20:25
asacright20:25
micahgI think it's easier if we just replace it20:25
asacso yeah. i dont think we have a choice and need to replace it20:26
micahgother major apps do it20:26
asacsure20:26
micahgthe only problem will be TB2 on hardy20:26
asacnot sure if we should automatically take over on first upload20:26
asacyeah20:27
micahgthat's why I think we should wait for RC120:27
asacbut most rendering engine issues are not really issues for TB220:27
asacso we might get through with backporting the rare security issues that pop up in the mail stack20:27
asacmicahg: i am sure that even RC1 is not stable enough.20:27
asactb is the most popuplar mailclient in ubuntu20:27
asacit will cause huge amount of complains etc.20:27
micahgasac: http://www.sqlite.org/src/vinfo/2a832b19b657ba02a2caaafbc15be19cc6b80fd920:28
asacs/most popular/most popular based on the fact that users explicitly opt-in/20:28
micahghmm20:28
asacmicahg: yes. but where is the changelog ;)20:28
micahgwell, maybe wait for release before upgrading if it's before Feb 201020:28
BUGabundothen we will have a shirt test windows20:29
asaci think we should upload tbird 3 with versioned packaging scheme so users can opt-in now and report issues20:29
asacthen we take the other package over later this cycle20:29
asachopefully when tbird is at 3.0.2 or something20:29
micahgis that hard to do?20:29
asacno20:29
asacits what we do with firefox20:29
micahgok20:29
asachave two versions in parallel ... then take over the older ones20:30
asaconce we consider it ready enough20:30
micahgasac: http://www.sqlite.org/releaselog/3_6_16_1.html20:31
asacok. so its a special-fix-for-mozilla ... i would guess20:32
asacthx20:32
micahgasac: can I get a testimonial on my wiki page? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/micahg20:32
asacmicahg: when did you start on ffox bugs? april? jun? (sorry .. time runs fast ;))20:34
micahgapril20:34
asacmicahg: applying for motu or membership?20:37
micahgmembership right now20:37
micahgMOTU when you get tired of pushing my uploads :)20:37
BUGabundolol20:37
av`MOTU team has 3 months life20:38
av`;)20:38
micahgoh, probably not worth it then :)20:38
av`then with archive reorg there will be a general Ubuntu Developers plus various seeds20:38
BUGabundoav`: chaning it again?20:39
BUGabundoahh nice20:39
asacmicahg: ok done20:47
asacmy english had some hick-ups ... but i think that should be good ;)20:48
asachi BUGabundo20:49
asac;)20:49
asachope you missed me ;) .... hehe20:49
asacwill be off in an hour again and back on monday ;)20:49
BUGabundoasac: took you while :D20:50
BUGabundoenjoy the long weekend20:50
asacyep ;)20:50
asacthat will be 8 days in total then20:50
asac;)20:50
BUGabundoasac: I 've seen users20:50
BUGabundogetting again that assertion error20:50
BUGabundoon NM20:50
asacsorry. i lost context ;)?20:50
BUGabundosimilar to the one I had a while ago with wireless networks20:51
BUGabundoout of range20:51
asachmm. my brain sems to be tabula rasa atm ;)20:51
asacis there a bug i could check?20:51
micahgthanks asac20:52
asacvery welcome20:52
asacmicahg: how does memberswhip work nowadays?20:52
asacis that still done in a IRC meeting?20:52
asaclike community council?20:52
av`asac, yes20:52
asacif so, ping me ahead so i can be there20:52
micahgcan you help me with a TB3 daily breakage?20:52
asacsure :)20:53
asacwill be here for another hour as it seems :)20:53
asacav`: thx!!20:53
micahgok, I'm still waiting for the meeting to be planned20:53
av`community council process everything through irc as alwias :)20:53
asacyeah. i remember mammoth meetings in the past20:53
micahgok, fta added a patch to fix the eula: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/thunderbird/thunderbird-3.0.head/revision/3420:53
asacwhich made me think that maybe they redid the whole process20:53
micahgthis landed which I think takes care of it: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/comm-1.9.1/rev/f1b37d88d15620:53
micahgif it does, I'll just drop the old patch, but I wasn't sure20:54
asachmm20:55
asacnot sure why the initial patch was needed20:55
asacwhere was APP_EULA_BLOCK used?20:56
asacanyway20:56
asacthey dropped the holw APP_EULA_BLOCK business20:56
asacso yeah20:56
asaci would just drop it20:56
micahgok20:56
micahgI'll fix the daily then20:56
asacand see if somethign else causes issues20:56
micahgBTW, I started using fta's pbuilder script20:56
micahgit's nice20:56
asacmicahg: yeah. graeat20:56
asacmicahg: just include in the "drop" comment what landing triggered this20:57
asacbut you probably do that automatically alreadcy ;)20:57
micahgit took me 3 hours to build xulrunner though20:57
asacmicahg: hmm. maybe i should check them too ;)20:57
asacmicahg: thats long20:57
BUGabundoasac: back20:57
BUGabundono bug... at least not from memory20:57
micahgfta told me I should add -j4 to pbuilder20:57
BUGabundoPPA fixed it for me20:57
asacmicahg: why does it take so long=? because setting up pbuilder tgz takes ages?20:57
asacmicahg: well. 3 hours is rewally long. i mean on my quite old system xulrunner building takes about 20-25 minutes20:58
asacwithout -jX20:58
asacso just on a single core20:58
micahgwow20:58
micahgI have a P3 1Ghz dual core20:58
micahgwasn't tasking my system20:58
micahgbut took forever20:58
asacmicahg: oh. ok. P3 ... thats old20:58
micahg:) IBM x33020:58
asacmicahg: i am not sure you want to use -j4 on that one ;)20:58
av`asac, up for sponsoring me a merge?20:58
asaci mean ... if you have like 1g of mem thats bad ;)20:59
micahgasac: I have 1.5G20:59
mac_vyeah asac's back \o/20:59
asacthats not good enough for -j4 either ;)20:59
micahganyways, wwe got the PPAs back, so I won't need it as much20:59
micahgor rather the builders20:59
asacmicahg: i mean .. .linking libxul.so takes about 1.5G ;)20:59
asacmicahg: right. PPAs are better ... though builders are currently scares resource as it seems20:59
asacmac_v: hi ... dont be too happy. i will just drop out later today till monday ;)21:00
asac(or sunday ... not so sure yet :))21:00
BUGabundodinner21:00
BUGabundobbl later21:00
asacholy vacation ;)21:00
micahgwe got the builders back: https://edge.launchpad.net/builders21:00
mac_vhehe ;)21:00
asacav`: what sponsoring?21:00
av`asac, zenity for desktop-team (main)21:00
asacmicahg: grewat. so QA team has finished whatever thy did with them ;)21:00
asacthose are QA team machines afaik... that only help out on ppa21:00
mac_vasac: just wanted to know if this Bug #386900 , was ever fixed... andrew marked it as fixed an now its not working... is it a regression or .. was it wrongly marked as fix released in th emiddle21:01
ubottuLaunchpad bug 386900 in network-manager ""Auto eth0" , In notifications , is confusing for most people" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38690021:01
asacav`: i would prefer to ask someone from desktop team to do that ;) ... want me to prod someone ?21:01
asacmac_v: i havent fixed it. not sure why it was ever marked as fixed21:02
mac_vasac: yeah , my thoughts.. too... thanks :)21:02
asacmac_v: it was a papercut we never got toi21:02
av`asac, no, don't need to, it's a package I update in Debian too and there is a bug open and ubuntu-main-sponsors are already subscribed21:02
asacok21:02
asacav`: if noone gets to it let me know i will do that on sunday then ;) (or if i check back before that, then)21:03
av`so will be done somewhen, just wanted to ask you if you were free :)21:03
asaci am free for chat ;)21:03
asacaka nice converstaions with mozillateam ;)21:03
av`ok, great, it's a really small merge, e.g one less B-D, watch file changed to look at unstable versions too21:03
micahgasac: should I note the bmo issue in the changelog for tb3?21:04
av`so nothing too hard, I gonna commit part of the delta to the Debian's SVN later21:04
av`ok, great, it's a really small merge, e.g one less B-D, watch file changed to look at unstable versions too :)21:04
mac_vasac: when we were checking what bugs were actually fixed in the papercuts , we found this was not ... thanks for confirming :)21:04
av`damn keyboard21:04
asacav`: ok. at best we would get to "sync" state again. is there a reason why ubuntu has a diff?21:04
asacmac_v: thx. add it for this cycle again. we definitly should fix it for LTS21:05
asacplease not in round-1 ;)21:05
av`asac, the delta is just a less B-D and a watch file change, after this merge we can sync21:05
mac_vasac: lol , sure :)21:05
asacav`: why not directly sync then?21:05
av`asac, cause debian don't look at unstable versions21:05
av`and cause debian still has that B-D21:05
micahgasac: upstream broke lpia in xul193: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/35181733/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-lpia.xulrunner-1.9.3_1.9.3~a1~hg20091105r34606%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz21:06
asacav`: right. so fix the B-D in debian and then sync ... the unstable watch file is not worse keeping a diff imo21:06
asacmicahg: hmm. did you retry the build?21:07
asacoh wait. only me and fta can retry i guess21:07
micahgitt's been that way for days21:07
asachmm21:07
asacok21:07
av`asac, exactly, I gonna commit part of the delta but it won't be uploaded just for that, so we have to wait before syncing anyway :)21:07
asacok21:07
asacmicahg: do you have a netbook ;)?21:08
micahgnope21:08
av`but for sure it will be the last merge of zenity :)21:08
asacok21:08
av`asac, I'm on a netbook21:08
asacav`: with lpia kernel?21:08
asaci guess you run i386?21:08
av`nope, I run i38621:09
av`yes21:09
asacmicahg: do we know when this started? feels like its a change to tracemonkey triggering this21:09
micahgI can check21:09
micahgI"m testing TB3 now in my ppa without the patch21:10
asackk21:10
micahgabout 2 hours21:10
micahgasac: started on 31/10/200921:13
asachuh?21:13
micahglpia FTBFS21:13
asacav`: where is the bug id?21:13
av`asac, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/47407221:14
ubottuLaunchpad bug 474072 in zenity "Merge with Debian 2.28.0-1" [Wishlist,Confirmed]21:14
asacav`: did you use "bzr" for that ;) ... just wondering because MoM seems to be down (found a mail from james_w)21:15
asacav`: debian .dsc plz21:15
av`asac, yeah, I just saw the bzr merge thing, it rocks! anyway I did that merge manually21:15
av`yes, just a second21:15
asacsure21:15
asacgimme .dsc ;)21:16
av`asac, http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/z/zenity/zenity_2.28.0-1.dsc21:16
asacav`: why the diff on the Uploaders?21:16
asacjust prepatch from debian svn?21:16
asaci assume you tested it?21:17
av`asac, it's autogenerated21:17
av`I'm a GNOME Debian member21:17
av`so I'm into gnome-pkg-tools21:17
av`that auto-generate the control file21:17
micahgI found a cool pull-debian-source tool in ubuntu-dev-tools21:17
* asac runs debuild -S -sa -kasac@deb -v2.28.0-0ubuntu221:17
av`check debian/control.in you'll see Uploaders: @GNOME_TEAM@21:18
asackk21:18
asacpushed21:18
av`you rock thanks :)21:18
asacmicahg: thx ;) ... i always thought there must be something for that :)21:19
av`asac, you didnt do an upload for me since ages, I feel happy now :)21:19
micahgI think it's pulling from unstable still21:19
asacav`: at least one count on my sponsoring list ;)21:19
av`lol21:19
asachaha21:19
asacwelcome21:19
* asac happy too21:19
av`:)21:19
micahgoops TB borked21:20
asacav`: my first upload to lucid ;)21:20
av`asac, yes! I hope you gonna remember it since it is your first upload into lucid!!! :)21:21
asaci will21:21
av`asac, I hope you gonna take a good word for me to seb when there won't be ubuntu-dev / ubuntu-core-dev anymore, e.g for joining desktop seed21:22
av`since I gonna focus on general uploads plus GNOME21:22
av`and mozilla stuff of course21:22
asacnot during vacation ... but atm i feel positive on that21:23
av`not now, it will happen around genuary, so no hurry!!21:23
asaci try to avoid -desktop channel ;) ... otherwise rick will hunt me for working etc.21:23
micahgasac: apparently, there's no changelog history for TB3 in bzr. so do I need to add a changelog entry or just a bzr entry for the patch drop21:23
asacmicahg: i think so far we didnt put anything in changelog ... so just drop with proper comment in bzr21:24
av`asac, desktop seed will be open in around 3-4 months, so you have time :)21:24
micahgok21:24
asacmaybe i will gen a gigantic changelog from bzr on first upload to archive21:24
av`it's not needed now21:24
asacnot so sure yet21:24
asacav`: thx for the update on that. seems i have enough time to check out mozilla seed et al during UDS21:24
micahgwell, I think we should generate it based on a diff of the debian dir between TB2 and TB321:25
av`asac, yeah, please ask to have a mozilla seed, if not everyone will be able to upload extension's stuff21:25
asacmicahg: i think we started a fresh branch when we forked it21:25
asacmicahg: so its probably the whole bzr changelog21:25
micahgyeah, it seems that way21:25
asacdont ask me why we have a fresh brnach ;)21:26
micahgwell this patch that I'm dropping was only added for TB3 AFAIK21:26
asacbut we should add all tb2 changelog21:26
asacfor sure21:26
micahgso tehre's no reason for it to be in the changelog21:26
asacright. but thats difficult to filter out manually21:26
micahgoh, can I set up the series in the tb project?21:26
asacwill be back in 5 minutes ... hold still ;)21:27
asacmicahg: we can setup series for tb projects ... prob is that we kind of misuse them in ffox21:32
asacusually the series should point to upstream branch not packaging branch21:32
asachow does it help?21:32
micahgbzr branch lp:thunderbird/series :)21:32
asacright21:32
asacis there a way to create "sub-seriesssed"?21:33
asacserieses21:33
micahgI was going to make 2.0, 3.0, and 3.1 with focus on 3.021:33
asaclike thunderbird/3.0/ubuntu-packing21:33
asacmicahg: focus should always be trunk imo21:33
asace.g. we should have a matching series for upstream branches21:33
micahgok21:34
asacand only create versioned seriessses for things that go a branch != trunkJ/central21:34
micahgso focus on 3.121:34
micahgor should I call the series trunk21:34
asaclet me check21:34
asacok since we use versions for firefox we probably should do the same for tbird21:34
micahgok21:35
micahgso, focus on 3.121:35
asacif that is what comes out of a plain build of comm-central clone then yes21:35
asacok ... /me does some cooking too now ...21:37
asac~30min21:37
asacback (for a bit)22:12
micahgok, TB looks like it'll finish now, I'll update the branch in a little bit22:15
asaccool. go ahead22:15
micahgdropping 2 patches22:16
asacevery patch gone is a clear win ;)22:16
asacmicahg: someone updated stanfoird-pwdhash without updating branch ;) ... wanna hunt him down :)22:44
asachmm22:45
asacok22:45
asacmicahg: someone updated stanfoird-pwdhash without updating branch ;) ... wanna hunt him down :)22:45
asachmm ... doesnt look like it ended up in ubuntu22:45
asacmaybe debian?22:45
BUGabundoasac: a few users being hit with DPI bugs on FF on clean installs?22:46
asachavent heard of it22:46
asac!whois quadrispro22:46
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)22:46
BUGabundo4 reports on LoCo ML22:46
BUGabundoand a bug on LP22:46
BUGabundoto firefox 3.022:46
BUGabundoDIUH22:46
av`asac, I know him22:46
av`asac, it's from the italian team22:47
BUGabundohttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/22056822:47
asac23:30 [freenode] [quadrispro(n=alessio@ubuntu/member/quadrispro)] hi, please apologize me, I've uploaded stanford-pwdhash just a moment  before reading this -> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/firefox-extensions/stanford-pwdhash.ubuntu :(22:47
ubottuLaunchpad bug 220568 in firefox-3.0 "firefox font changed to narrower, less readable font" [Medium,Confirmed]22:47
asac23:31 [freenode] [quadrispro(n=alessio@ubuntu/member/quadrispro)] going away, but again: I'm sorry22:47
BUGabundoasac: ^^^^22:47
asacav`: can you check with him?22:47
asaci said: "please replay and submit a merge request22:47
asac"22:47
asacbut he was gone22:47
asacbut now i dont even see any upload for that package22:47
av`why he uploaded that?22:47
asacseems he failed to spot that its done in extension team22:47
asacbut not sure where it is22:47
BUGabundoman, so many 3G modems probs :(22:47
BUGabundoI told the release guys :(22:48
asacav`: yeah so its uploaded22:48
asachttps://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/stanford-pwdhash/+publishinghistory22:48
asacwhat a mess22:48
asacav`: tell him to do a 1.7+real-0ubuntu122:48
asacusing branches so we can produce it uses get-orig-source etc.22:48
asacav`: let me send him a mail and CC you22:49
asacav@ubuntu.com?22:49
jcastrohey asac22:49
av`yes22:49
jcastroare you back from holiday?22:49
av`asac, damn it, we had to update m-d stuff there : /22:49
BUGabundojcastro: lol22:49
asacav`: av@ubuntu.com ?22:53
asacjcastro: no ... please don't tell my boss :-P22:53
asacmonday22:53
jcastroasac, I swear to god I will22:53
jcastro:)22:53
av`asac, yes, or andrea.veri89@gmail.com22:53
asacok sent22:53
asacthanks22:53
av`np, gonna slap him tomorrow22:55
av`ehehe22:55
asacbe nice ;)22:56
asacits a clear win if he understands how to use the branches in future22:56
asache seems to like stanford-pwdjhash ;)22:56
asacmaybe also tell him to fix the mozilla-devscripts part :-P22:56
asacwhzile he is at it ...22:56
asacof course not mandatory ;)22:56
asacmicahg: anything else you need from me before i drop out again?22:59
asacsame for anyone else ;) of course22:59
micahgasac: I don't think so, there's one file I have to remove form the TB.install file (license.html), but I think I shoul dbe ok23:01
micahgasac: when will you return?23:01
av`lol, I will, finishing an SRU now23:01
asacsunday?23:01
micahgok23:01
asacis that ok?23:01
asacgood23:01
micahgof course :)23:01
asaci might be here tomorrow during day23:01
asacbut then a friend comes and i wont be back till sunday afternoon23:02
micahgI just know not to ping you if I need something23:02
asachmm23:02
asaci will set my irc client to away23:02
asaci think i will see all pings when back then23:02
micahgok23:02
* asac didnt do that the last few days23:02
asacso ... now away ;)23:02
micahgok, have fun23:02
asacso at least your pings are not lost23:03
asacthx23:03
asacbyebye and greetz to fta if he comes back ;)23:03
micahgok23:03

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