[00:12] sebsebseb called the ops in #ubuntu (son_of_steel) [00:15] we don't want to close them down during off times, people have been asking questions about session changes and start times [00:15] it's only a week, we just nudge them to #ubuntu for support and give UOW direction as needed :) [00:16] pleia2: we're not talking about the times between open week sessions (at least i don't think we are) [00:17] ok, well even then it's not frequently off-topic, we like keeping it open so people can pop in and do sessions as needed [00:18] sometimes people also use it to take more complicated issues from #ubuntu into a quieter place [00:19] the classroom project is supportive of this usage :) [00:24] pleia2: we're nto talkinabout -classroom, either ( i'm getting confused ) [00:24] we're talking about -classroom-chat [00:26] nalioth: some impromptu sessions use -chat too, I'd really rather not have it locked down [03:15] NiteSnow called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic (Avash1) [03:21] In #ubuntu, mistahjc said: ubottu: no windows is homo [06:07] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (flood) [06:07] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (flood) [06:07] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (flood) [06:09] lag! [06:36] Jordan_U called the ops in #ubuntu () [06:37] sorted === jayne_ is now known as jayne [07:47] good morning [07:48] hi! [07:51] morning dholbach [07:52] hi MenZa, hi bazhang [07:52] :) [07:53] wie geht's dieser freuen Morgen? [07:53] gut gut :) [07:53] how are you? [07:53] excellent [07:53] and my German's a bit rusty, pardon that [07:54] * MenZa checks today's OW schedule [08:10] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (flood) [08:10] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (flood) [08:10] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (flood) [08:17] Hi, I'm muted on #ubuntu for no reason [08:18] raebodep: The floodbot did that - as Jordan_U mentioned. Perhaps bazhang can fix this little mishap? [08:20] raebodep, try now [08:20] Thank you [08:20] you're welcome :) [08:34] raebodep: do you need help in here ? [08:34] Yes [08:34] what's the problem ? [08:35] Your bots are freaking out [08:35] no they are not [08:35] Yes they are [08:35] you're mute problem has been solved [08:35] They are annoying [08:35] raebodep: they are performiung their function correctly [08:36] for the record raebodep appears to be attempting to troll #ubuntu so I'd take that with a pinch of salt [08:36] hrrr [08:37] hold his nick up to a mirror [08:37] @login [08:37] The operation succeeded. [08:40] ooh is it that bear guy again ? [08:40] bearshare? [08:40] yes [08:41] n=avoid@ (;) [08:51] ah pedobear [09:06] hi [09:07] jacquesdupontd: hi thanks for joining. [09:07] so tell me i know what i did bad i'm really sorry but must admit i've bigger problems but i shouldn't have done it and i'm here cause i need this channel as it needs me sometimes that's the principe [09:07] just a quick one, I've no doubt that your comment was a light hearted joke, however making reference to drugs eg: the more you take/less you take the better/worse it is - than to ubuntu [09:08] I'd appriciated it if you could leave that sort of refernce out of the channel [09:08] is that acceptable ? [09:11] just lemme apologize that was just for the joke i can't see the point about helping and at the same time make people feel that ubuntu is open mind and that we can help and have fun at the same time, my point of view is that if we want (and i want it since 5 years, i've made like 100 installations personals computer of guys and also many girls that are now thanking me everyday) but i'm sure you understand me it's not abo [09:11] ut asking age sex and city on the help/support chat but i think the goal is to help people, that's what i'm doing and i agree sometimes i make joke in the same time but i always try to be on the subject [09:12] jacquesdupontd: I suggest you check out the channel guidelines, 1.) it's a very busy support channel - making joke lines just adds to then noise 2.) not all people will take your comments as a joke and could see it as rude or in appropriate, so it's best not to do it 3.) people come to the channel for support, give them support, if you want to have fun with them, join #ubuntu-offtopic with them or another offtopic channel [09:12] ikonia, you know for sure everybody has his point of view on drugs and we were not talking about that at all, i took a bad example but i could have said my favorite grand ma sentence : salt, you always can put more, but you're never able to take some off [09:13] it means the same thing [09:13] jacquesdupontd: that would have made it slightly better and less open to offense, however it still wouldn't have been required [09:14] the only problem I had was you referencing drugs as a bench mark, if you can drop that sort of comment, there is no problem at all [09:15] ikonia, you know we're not gonna discuss during hours about that, i think we are both adult, i completely understand that you do your work for the ubuntu support irc chat to be safe and for it's rules to be followed but thanks i've already read rules a long time ago but sometimes i really can't see the point and i couldn't imagine that you would tell me something about it, anyway i understand i apologize and now i would [09:15] prefer to take my time to help people than defending myself on this fact. [09:16] but before i leave i have to ask you something [09:16] jacquesdupontd: if you have read the rules - you know them, just because you disagree with them doesn't mean you can ignore them [09:16] jacquesdupontd: please ask. [09:17] i don't disagree at all, sorry ubuntu irc chat is not taking my complete lifetime and i'm doing a lot of thing and i made a mistake, i thank you to take time to explain me it and think i just apologize [09:17] my question [09:17] that's not a problem at all, I appriciate it, every one makes mistakes [09:18] that's what i wanted to say, but i understand now that the word drug first is not seen tne same at all in different countries and culture [09:19] thats fine, that was the point I was making [09:20] i'm not seeing it this way, i'm an electronic producer and i dj all over the world wich doesn't mean at all that i take drugs but means that this subject is like talking about cofee or wine for me and we don't even talk about it anyway i totally agree with you [09:20] but now about the #offtopic never worked [09:20] I'm not sure how anything you've just said has any relevance, please just follow the rules of the channel. [09:21] cause when you have a discussion that can be interesting with someone it's really boring to tell the guy come to offtopic with me, the place to talk and make jokes with only UBUNTU Community [09:21] jacquesdupontd: ubuntu is not for dicussion or jokes, it's for #ubuntu support and disscussion, if you're on those two topics, there is no problem [09:21] * MenZa swaps ikonia's #ubuntu and ubuntu around [09:22] thank you [09:24] i'm used to make joke as they come and i'm used on irc that everybody can join sometimes for 1 sentence. The subject (wich can be something else than a joke and can be on computers) just come like that and i can't see the point of joining the offtopic to tell 1 thing that you wanted to say then leave the chat and then come back on the #ubuntu support channel. Understand me, you can't know how i thank this channel to exi [09:24] st cause it had helped me for years but i've helped people a lot too and i'm opening a debat : my point of view is that ubuntu has to play on the fact that we are not geek are bots like ms people can be. [09:25] jacquesdupontd: - no one is asking you to act like geeks or bots, but making drug references/jokes is not acceptabe - that's how it is [09:26] jacquesdupontd: the channel is VERY busy, so it needs to stick to support discussion only, those are the rules for the channel, and they have kept it running sucessfully [09:26] totally agree but been caught for much more less sometimes it's applying rules for applying rules and not for what has been made the rule for. But this is another subject that is working with everything and we won't resolve it today. [09:27] it's not [09:27] it's applying the rules, because they are the rules and your comment was inappropriate [09:28] however - I must leave now and can't really continue this discussion. [09:28] as I've said - please follow the rules of the channel, there will be no problems, be human and friendly but keep away from the drugs references please. [09:28] ikonia, since karmic came out i'm on the channel and helping people and mostly of the type in /query windows so it doesn't flood the channel. I was sure after karmic would get out there would be a lot of people, didn't knew this karmic would be so different/buggy and now i've set it perfectly i want to tell them that's it's not a bad version [09:28] jacquesdupontd: that comment has no relevence to the discusison [09:28] jacquesdupontd: support is also supposed to be provided in the channel so others can benifit from it [09:29] ikonia, btw i don't do drug since 4 years but we don't care at all [09:29] jacquesdupontd: I'm not interested in your drug commitments [09:29] I'm interested in you keeping the drug references out of #ubuntu - that's all I ask [09:29] ikonia, seems nothing i'll say will be ok, then thx for remembering me the rules cya later. [09:30] you've said you'll stop the drug references, that's great, that's all I asked [09:30] if you've nothing else you're welcome to leave #ubuntu-ops and return to #ubuntu [09:41] floodbots seem to be slow responding [09:55] Hi, Just wondering are the floodbots down at the minute? A couple of times in teh last few minutes people have pasted into the channel and floodbots haven't done anything [09:55] DJones, seem to be [09:56] ok, thanks, just thought it was worth bringing to attention in case it hadn't been noticed [09:58] In #ubuntu, server_new said: ubottu: uwhat is ubuntu repository configuration [10:11] if anyone is bored, construct a nice mask to catch http://ubottu.com/bans.cgi?query=yoshi&kicks=on&oldbans=on&bans=on&oldmutes=on&mutes=on&floods=on [11:56] DJones called the ops in #ubuntu (yoshi765) [11:56] no one took up my offer huh [11:56] for now I'm forwarding n=nds@ here [12:00] "Sorry, bantracker is not available for anonymous users [12:00] Join #ubuntu-ops on irc.freenode.net to descuss bans [12:00] The bantracker should really use OpenID. [12:02] jpds: his ips used to have some similarities but they're pretty random now anyway [12:06] jpds, i'm sure tsimpson would welcome your patches :P [12:28] jpds: and use Launchpad, too? :P [12:43] oh right, Avash_ [12:45] what's our policy on nicknames like that? o_o [12:45] none afaik [12:45] hmm [12:45] oh well, it was the lart abuse that got me [12:45] just like yesterday [12:45] or got him rather :) [12:46] heh [12:57] @now [13:10] elky: heh. [13:11] jussio1: I think you have to specify $TZ. [13:11] jpds: yup [13:11] @now helsinki [13:11] @login [13:11] The operation succeeded. [13:11] @now helsinki [13:11] Current time in Europe/Helsinki: November 05 2009, 15:11:31 [13:11] @now [13:11] Current time in Etc/UTC: November 05 2009, 13:11:39 [13:11] nope, just need to be logged in... [13:11] :/ [13:12] tsimpson: how about fixing that if youve a min... [13:48] Pici: Haha. [15:38] I am unable to connect to ubuntu through webchat.freenode.net [15:40] apparle: I'm looking into it, one moment. [15:40] errr why can't I join ops-monitor ? [15:41] apparle: Can you part #ubuntu-proxy-users and then try to join #ubuntu again? [15:41] It should be working now. [15:42] ikonia: Your hostmask changed. [15:42] shouldn't have, I'm on the same box [15:43] ughhh my cloak hasn't been changed back yet [15:43] that's why [15:43] hang on, thank you Pici [15:43] ikonia: you're now a pdpc supporter, not unaffiliated. [15:43] ikonia: try again. [15:43] I know, I asked for it to be changed back [15:43] one moment, lets get it put back [15:44] ikonia: I added an invite exception for pdpc/*/ikonia for now [15:44] thank you [15:49] Pici: thanks [16:51] jussio1: ready to rock? [16:51] yup [16:54] mneptok: follow script, you intro, then me, then you? [16:55] yes please [16:55] :) [16:58] ubottu: join #ubuntu-classroom [16:58] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [17:29] about to call ops in -classroom. please ignore. [17:30] mneptok called the ops in #ubuntu-classroom () [17:34] * topyli ignores [17:36] I hate thee supybot [17:39] tsimpson: you killed ubottu! :P [17:39] :-o [17:39] well it's being naughty [17:41] interesting session [17:52] In #ubuntu-classroom, mneptok said: !mneptok is a hoopty frood who knows where his towel is. [18:00] how come ubottu and ubot2 are in -classroom? [18:01] 6nice session jussio1 and mneptok [18:01] jussio1, mneptok: I unforunately *just* got back to my desk, but I read through most of the backlog in -classroom. Good session guys, and thanks :) [18:02] * mneptok high-fives jussio1 [18:17] !also does a few other tasks, if she notices a bug number in the form "bug 2" then she will tell the channel what the bug [18:17] Error: Launchpad bug 2 could not be found [18:17] also does a few other tasks, if she notices a bug number in the form "bug 2" then she will tell the channel what the bug is and give a URL for it. She also will tell information about packages in the following way: [18:17] jussio1: ^ ;) [18:24] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join) [18:24] win 20 [18:59] tsimpson: yeah, I know... oops [19:03] Karmic is outsmarting me - bah. [19:03] tonyyarusso: fail :P [19:04] jussio1: inrite? Usability should mean that if I knew how to do something in Jaunty, I shouldn't *lose* that ability in future versions... [19:04] +o [19:05] tonyyarusso: whats bothering you? [19:08] jussio1: In Karmic, I can play sounds on the machine, and sound recorder can record from line-in, but I can't figure out how to pass-through from line-in to output, such that it plays the input through it's output. [19:08] The sound dialogue is too dumbed down to do anything anymore, and I'm not sure where those options got moved to. [19:10] im not sure "but thats teh hacky way weve always done it" counts, tonyyarusso === maco__ is now known as maco [19:11] maco: Hacky? There was a checkbox specifically for this function! [19:12] i dont actually know what youre talking about [19:12] just saying that "thats how we've always done it" isnt a decent usability argument [19:12] maco: I have a radio plugged into my computer's line-in, and speakers plugged into the line-out. I want to play the radio and hear it. [19:12] pavucontrol? [19:12] maco: Agreed - the argument is "There was a way we've always done it, and now there appears to be no way, same or not" [19:13] In the process of installing that now to look. [19:13] If yes, that should be installed by default. [19:14] I also don't have any terminal beeps anymore, so I don't know when I get highlights in irssi. [19:14] tonyyarusso: Use KDE :P [19:14] oh the hardware beep was disabled [19:14] you should have an option somewhere for a software beep though [19:14] or visual bell, for the hearing impaired [19:16] "should", yes. I haven't found it yet though. [19:16] used to be in system -> prefrences -> sound, back when i used gnome [19:17] Yeah, I'm aware. [19:17] System > Prefs > Sound doesn't have ANY of the options it used to anymore. It's basically just a little level slider. Useless. [19:18] I can't find what I need in any of padevchooser paman paprefs pavucontrol pavumeter either. [19:24] There. Installing gnome-alsamixer got me what I need. wth. [19:28] Still no beeps though [20:13] Well, if y'all wonder why I don't answer ops calls for the next six months, this will be why... Grr. [20:18] tonyyarusso: the alert sounds should be going through one of alsa, libcanberra, gstreamer, or esd [20:18] all route to pulseaudio [20:18] (depends on the app) [20:18] pulseaudio's volume slider is supposed to control every volume slider in alsamixer [20:19] but that feature may have gotten disabled due to crappy drivers that overdrive at 0 dB [20:20] tonyyarusso: are you not getting _any_ alert sounds or just none from your IRC client? [20:23] tonyyarusso: try this: pactl load-module module-x11-bell sample=bell.ogg [20:23] Amaranth: Not getting any as far as I can tell, but I'm not sure what else should cause them. [20:24] Amaranth: ran that command; now what? [20:24] tonyyarusso: now do you get a beep? :) [20:24] No. [20:25] well crap [20:26] hmm, I don't anymore either [20:26] I've found at least 5 people with the same issue, but no answers. [20:26] tonyyarusso: say my nick [20:26] Amaranth: [20:26] * Amaranth curses a lot [20:26] this worked at beta time [20:27] By "worked" do you mean you had Gnome alert sounds or pcspkr? [20:27] tonyyarusso: do you have a "Beep" slider in alsamixer? [20:27] tonyyarusso: alert sounds [20:27] pcspkr is blacklisted [20:27] and the alert sound that replaces the beep, specifically [20:28] Amaranth: Yeah - it was muted by default, but I unmuted and raised it all the way up already [20:28] tonyyarusso: yeah mine is completely broken too :/ [20:28] Pici: I'm aware. The issue is that its replacement doesn't work. [20:29] Amaranth: test [20:30] WTF [20:31] Amaranth: Turn off Compiz. [20:31] tonyyarusso: I know, the pactl workaround worked as of the 21st of October [20:31] compiz has its own bell thing, I remember seeing an option in ccsm, doesnt it? [20:31] compiz still tells X to trigger a system beep while metacity uses libcanberra [20:31] so you need pulseaudio to override the X beep with bell.ogg [20:31] I just have ssh access here, so I can't really test anything. [20:32] Pici: it does but it is enabled by default [20:32] Amaranth: Is it? [20:32] Pici: audible bell is, yes [20:32] tonyyarusso: actually switching to metacity didn't help me... [20:33] huh [20:33] did here [20:33] via the Sys>prefs>appearance thing [20:34] Amaranth: any idea what changed after beta? [20:34] tonyyarusso: no idea [20:34] hmm, it seems the xchat-gnome sound notification plugin won't stay loaded [20:36] even if I give it a full path to the bell.ogg it fails to do anything useful [20:36] so pulseaudio broke, yay [20:38] I was really hoping Karmic would be the release where PA wasn't broken finally... [20:42] Amaranth: is this a compiz bug, a pulseaudio bug, or something else? [20:42] tonyyarusso: pulseaudio and compiz, technically [20:42] tonyyarusso: a fix in either one will fix the problem [20:42] ok [20:42] for pulseaudio it's actually a bug fix, for compiz it's a new feature :) [20:42] bug 301174 [20:42] Launchpad bug 301174 in metacity "Use proper sound event instead of system beep" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/301174 [20:42] please don't file another :) [20:43] too late :( [20:44] dupe it :) [20:46] I'm confused as to how people managed to close the bug requesting that pcspkr be disabled without bothering to make sure things worked with its replacement. Bad release management there. [20:47] pcspkr has been blacklisted for at least two releases now iirc. [20:50] openweek6? Someone's gotta get the point across to the people using webchat that they need to pick nicks. [21:05] hey has anyone had any dealings with a tusker before ? [21:10] nick rings a bell [21:11] he's been trolling the last hour in the openweek classroom chat on the ubuntu women [21:11] pulled him aside and had a we chat as pleia2 was giving her talk and no maco is [21:12] He's not in the BT [21:12] let me check that IP - as I'm aware of someone else bragging about #u-w in the last hour [21:12] that I can see [21:13] ikonia, if that's sss, then grrr. [21:13] I hope not [21:13] i will grrr him in to next century if it is. [21:14] heh [21:14] well I just siad I'd pop in here and let folks know he's about anyways [21:14] doesn't look like it is, IP's not the right country - not that that is fact, but it's an early sign [21:15] hi, please can someone have a look at ranix in #ubuntu - maybe he is only a bit over ambitious - but he could be on the edge to trolling/dubious advice too [21:15] sure [21:15] thx [21:15] I'll speak to him in PM now [21:16] which him? both hims? [21:18] ranix [21:18] leave sx3 alone [21:18] leaving [21:20] interesting got a grumpy reponse to use a bot to talk to ranix in pm - I'll try to get him to join here as he doesn't seen keen on a pm [21:21] Use a bot to talk to him in pm? [21:21] yes???? didn't seem happy that I'd pm'd him first without asking, told me to use the bot or ask questions in the channel [21:21] now ignoring me [21:22] ahhh ranix thank you for joining [21:22] happy to be here [21:22] just a quick request to see if you could tone down the agression towards some of the comments you're giving to users in #ubuntu recently [21:22] OK [21:23] telling people not to use guis, google first, use debian not ubuntu, etc etc, a little more friendly/helpful would work a little better [21:23] is that possible ? [21:27] ranix: I've just read your comments in #debian-offtopic and it's now clear you've been trying to troll the channel [21:29] ranix: if there is nothing else to discuss please leave the channel as this channel has a non-idle policy [21:30] ah sorry, I was working [21:33] how sad, #debian-offtopic appears to cheer on / almost make a joke out of ranix trolling other channels. [22:15] Howdy kjoer [22:15] hi [22:15] eh [22:16] quit msg i take it [22:16] Indeed. [22:16] sorry :/ [22:16] its random, some of em are indeed a bit nasty [22:17] Might want to redo that database then [22:17] disabled them [22:17] even better [22:17] That works too. [22:18] random /quit messages are like letting your enemies write a list of things to say on a first date [22:18] hehe [22:18] mneptok: You mean we're not supposed to do that? [22:18] "Boy, those pills sure helped clear up that discharge." [22:19] "Wait ... where are you going?" [22:20] kjoer: You should be able to rejoin #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic now [22:20] ok, thanks, sorry for the inconvenience, wont happen again [22:53] I don't suppose there's a spanish speaking soul around is there? [22:55] nm, the annoyance quit [23:20] you'd probably find a couple in -irc if you ever need one again [23:21] #ubuntu-es maybe ? they have been helpful in the past [23:22] Wow. A netsplit of two people? [23:23] big hit ! [23:29] DOUBLEKILL. [23:30] pratchett i guess [23:37] ikonia = ignorant bitch :) now i am done [23:37] * nalioth blinks [23:37] done is certainly one word for it [23:37] well, that was.. something [23:38] Howdy eclipse75 [23:38] oh, and ##slackware is better. also the distro is more stable now im done [23:38] is there something we can help you with eclipse75, without insulting people? [23:38] that was directed towards ikonia [23:38] :D [23:38] nah just towards ikonia [23:38] eclipse75: you can PM ikonia as you wish [23:38] I guess not [23:39] * nalioth has had enough of that childishness for a bit [23:39] I'll on phone 2 mins [23:39] the forward from #ubuntu should be set to a normal ban [23:39] on phone sorry