[06:29] <mac_v> !logs
[06:44] <demongt> any idea how to change the login screen?
[06:46] <mac_v> demongt: it is hard coded [for now] , you could try this > http://www.ubuntumini.com/2009/09/hack-karmics-gdm-login-screen.html
[06:47] <demongt> iv seen how to's talking about there being a option to change it?
[06:47] <demongt> but on mine it only lets me change weather i login auto or not?
[06:47] <mac_v> demongt: there is no such option in karmic to change themes
[06:48] <mac_v> demongt: only the two you mention are available for now
[06:48] <demongt> wait...whats karmic
[06:48] <mac_v> demongt: ubuntu 9.10
[06:48] <demongt> OOO
[06:49] <demongt> im new to the linux thing
[06:50] <mac_v> demongt: no probs , why do you want to change the login theme anyway? its not you are going to be looking at it for long
[06:50]  * mac_v just trying to understand
[06:50] <demongt> im picky
[06:50] <demongt> haha
[06:51] <demongt> i like to customize.
[06:51] <mac_v> demongt: try the link i gave you , i havent tried it yet...
[06:52] <demongt> humm, so why did they change it?
[06:54] <mac_v> demongt: Ubuntu did not change it , it was changed in gnome > you can read more about it > Bug #395299
[06:54] <mac_v> demongt: that bug is not related to the features as theming , but it has some info
[06:54] <demongt> oo i forgot. two seperat things unlike windows
[06:55] <mac_v> demongt: if you find the theming missing , file a separate bug for that
[06:55] <mac_v> kwwii: argh! stupid bloggers > "With Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala the GDM has been rewritten to properly take advantage of xsplash, Ubuntu's new X based boot." < they write wrong info such as this :/
[06:56] <demongt> i messed with linux over ten years ago and just recently decided to give it a try again after finally pulling my hair out with vista
[08:16] <ZachK_> hi
[10:03] <kwwii> good morning all
[10:37] <thorwil> good morning!
[10:43] <mac_v_> thorwil: hi... i checked out the scrollbar...  works great  , but IMO , there can be 2 changes
[10:44] <thorwil> i'm all ears
[10:44] <mac_v_> 1> on hover when the pointer turns into the vertical resize , it could be the hand grab pointer
[10:45] <mac_v_> since the arrows use the point hand  , but the handle uses a different pointer
[10:45] <mac_v_> 2> the page scroll was difficult to figure out in a laptop
[10:46] <mac_v_> it took a while for me to realize that i had to click twice to initiate the page scroll
[10:47] <thorwil> mac_v: the hand grab pointer is used for multi-direction/panning elsewhere. also, the difference between the cursor for dragging and clicking arrows would be less pronounced
[10:47] <thorwil> mac_v: oh. you don't have to click twice for page scroll
[10:48] <mac_v_> hmm , the single clicks dont do it for me...
[10:48] <thorwil> mac_v: there's a delay before a mouse-down with no drag start to be interpreted as page scroll
[10:49] <mac_v_> oh...
[10:49] <thorwil> this delay is necessary to not have page scroll if you want to drag
[10:52] <thorwil> hmm, maybe i could also trigger page scroll after a click
[10:52] <mac_v_> thorwil: hmm , maybe it also needs to factor in the double-click threshold.. since if i click once the scrollbar is non reactive , then i click again it again was non reactive. it just took me a while to figure it out ,
[10:52] <mac_v_> or something , else
[10:53] <mac_v_> thorwil: or you keep the present behavior and also use the right-click to trigger the page scroll
[10:54] <mac_v_> my first instinct was to use the right click when the left click didnt work
[10:54] <thorwil> mac_v: yes, seems i focused too much on the repeat action (try holding button pressed). so doing page scroll on mouse-up if there was no drag or holding should fix that
[10:55] <thorwil> mac_v: right click is taken for context menu
[10:55] <thorwil> mac_v: anyway, thanks, you did find a hole :)
[10:56] <mac_v_> thorwil: yeah , but there is no context menu there , so if the right-click works , this way the users would know that the page scroll works , and they might in time figure out that there is a delay to trigger the scroll with left-click...  or which ever you find better :)
[10:56] <thorwil> mac_v: why do you think there's no context menu?
[10:57] <thorwil> mac_v: don't answer, i just realized i broke it somehow
[10:58] <mac_v_> thorwil: oh , lol , there was supposed to be a context menu there?... what where the options avail?
[10:59] <thorwil> mac_v: in my demo just Start and End. the idea is to allow (additional) anchors/bookmarks, though
[10:59] <mac_v_> ah , ok
[11:00] <mac_v_> thorwil: how do you use the vertical resize? is is the high contrast pointer or..?
[11:00] <thorwil> mac_v: i'm not sure what you mean
[11:01] <mac_v_> thorwil: oh , nevermind , i was using a pointer theme which didnt have the resize pointer
[11:06] <mac_v_> thorwil: hmm , but the resize pointer would be a bit confusing to the users , i think it would need a new pointer , something in the likes of the scroll pointer in windows which appears when users scroll using the mouse scroll... well thats something that isnt fixable now , though... :)
[11:23] <darkmatter> just use DMZ-AA. best cursor theme imo. clean. works on light and dark equally well. blus sharper looking than the regular DMZ
[11:59] <coz_> darkmatter, ok   this is a better place to discuss that topic :)
[11:59] <darkmatter> yup
[12:00] <coz_> darkmatter,  I agree... it is definitly unhealthy  and seeing what was done to karmic in terms of graphics  I am very frustrated
[12:02] <darkmatter> coz_: too much lock in. I mean. don't get me wrong. uby has come a long way in general, but it still suffers from the same problems as well
[12:02] <kwwii> coz_: what were you unhappy about in karmic?
[12:03] <coz_> darkmatter,  I think  what needs to change is the approach... a team...prefereably this one...comes up with  three options  for a final decision...and ONLY those three options are available with no one being allowed to change them  then they choose one and go with it
[12:03] <darkmatter> :)
[12:03] <coz_> kwwii,   well   the overall boot sequence is a disaster...the default wallpaper and default themes could be better as well
[12:04] <kwwii> hehe, I agree that the boot sequence went somewhat south but that is mainly due to the code not being ready
[12:04] <kwwii> and considering that we weren't going to change anything in the UI it is at least a bit better and a step in the right direction
[12:04] <coz_> kwwii,  unfortunately...  but my god  a muddy brown image during boot?  lol
[12:05] <kwwii> but I don't think that you will ever see the default look of ubuntu being decided upon by the community any time soon
[12:05] <kwwii> originally, the whole thing was b/w but we had to put a bit of brown into it to smooth the transition
[12:06] <coz_> kwwii,  no but I believe that a conical based art team...going by what has occurred in the last few versions..is a highe mistake
[12:06] <kwwii> but anyway, I can see where you are coming from, so thanks for the explanation
[12:06] <coz_> huge mistake rather
[12:06] <kwwii> coz_: I think that the canonical team needs to communicate things better, which is part of what we are working on
[12:07] <kwwii> last time around we had plans which were shown to the public too late
[12:07] <coz_> kwwii,  I think the cononical team needs some training
[12:07] <kwwii> part of out time next week, before UDS is to get our info together so that we can share it with the community
[12:08] <kwwii> coz_: hehe, no doubt..it is a totally new team with almost everyone coming from outside the OSS world
[12:09] <coz_> kwwii,   we need quality artists  working these things and not allowing "ANY" developer to make a final decision on graphics on any level
[12:09] <thorwil> kwwii: i'm curious: who of the team besides you had prior contact with the OSS world?
[12:09] <kwwii> thorwil: afaik, nobody
[12:09] <coz_> oh my
[12:09] <kwwii> and I have been around for so long that they think i am a bitchy old man
[12:10] <kwwii> :p
[12:10] <thorwil> lol
[12:10] <coz_> kwwii,  cool I like bitchy old men   I am with you  guy lol
[12:10] <darkmatter> kwwii: you are a bitchy old man :P
[12:11] <coz_> darkmatter,  he fits in if so lol
[12:11] <thorwil> kwwii: should get to know Troy. will think you are all cute and cuddly afterwards ;)
[12:11] <darkmatter> hehe
[12:11] <coz_> thorwil, lol  I like troy
[12:11] <kwwii> thorwil: oh, they have met troy
[12:11] <coz_> who buy the way had a wonderful boot sequence mock up apparenlty ignored
[12:12] <thorwil> so do I. but it's a bit of a special experience to talk with him ;)
[12:12] <darkmatter> I haven't talked with Troy in ages... he's moodier than I am xD
[12:12] <kwwii> one day I walked into a meeting room and was asked the question "Do you know who Troy Sobotka is?" with a serious look on everyones face
[12:12] <thorwil> kwwii: anyone got hurt? :)
[12:13] <kwwii> and the first thing I thought was "oh shit, what has he said about me" :p
[12:13] <kwwii> but it turned out quite differently :)
[12:13] <coz_> lol
[12:13] <coz_> kwwii,  why did they ask?
[12:13] <coz_> kwwii,  was it fear ?
[12:14] <coz_> lol
[12:14] <kwwii> he had been in contact per email and expressed some views which kinda scared 'em I think
[12:14] <kwwii> it was quite funny
[12:14] <mac_v> coz_: i have to disagree that the default wallpaper is bad... it is a very cheerful wallpaper
[12:14] <coz_> mac_v,   mmm   are you on medication ? lol
[12:14] <thorwil> mac_v: i think it bites with the gtk theme
[12:15] <coz_> mac_v,  that was a joke
[12:15] <coz_> thorwil,  yes it does
[12:15] <kwwii> if you look at the forum and other places, there has been *very* little negative comments about the karmic artwork
[12:15] <mac_v> coz_: thorwil: i'm not a fan of the theme , but the wallpaper is definately not bad... medicated or not ;p
[12:15] <darkmatter> kwwii: the best thing about Troy is ya usually agree with half of his opinions, even though you may approach voicing them differently ;)
[12:16] <coz_> troy has always been easy to talk with ... I agree with him for the most part  and if not we argue  quite well
[12:16] <kwwii> darkmatter: yeah, it's not that I disagree with what he says, he just has a way of discussing things which is hard to deal with sometimes :D
[12:16]  * mac_v catches full scrollback
[12:17] <coz_> kwwii,  really?  mm he is a bit "wordy"
[12:17] <kwwii> at times I have thoght of suggesting he write a book
[12:17] <darkmatter> kwwii: yeah. I know that personally I try to keep my implications that OSS in inhabited by talentless morons down to one insult/week :P
[12:17] <coz_> troy knows what he is talking about   I dont agree with some of his approaches in an art team environment but otherwise I understand him
[12:18] <coz_> darkmatter,   oh man I have to catch up then I am down to once every two weeks lol
[12:18] <kwwii> if he wasn't at least close to being right, nobody would have kept talking to him :p
[12:18] <darkmatter> coz_: lol
[12:18] <kwwii> he was a great help with the wallpaper selection process
[12:19] <coz_> troy?
[12:19] <kwwii> yeah, the selection of the extra wallpapers which were included in karmic
[12:20] <darkmatter> but his approach isn't all bed, even I've been known to do similar. the ultimate cure for a narcissistic 'expert': imply they're retarded. then they feel obliged to prove they aren't :P
[12:20] <darkmatter> bad*
[12:21] <coz_> kwwii, well at least there are extras included :)
[12:21] <coz_> I would have chosen a different set
[12:21] <kwwii> coz_: I was kinda sad that nobody seemed to notice them yet
[12:21] <kwwii> lol
[12:22] <coz_> kwwii,   well I did :)
[12:22] <coz_> kwwii,   also I believe I am no longer on the "team" roster
[12:22] <coz_> kwwii,   I have tried to no avial
[12:22] <coz_> maybe for the best..but at some point...if I want a slot for saying something ,,I should join again
[12:23] <darkmatter> there's one or two that are 'nice' in my opinion, but I have slightly more evolved tastes than users do ;o
[12:24] <thorwil> evolved is the nice way to express it
[12:24]  * mac_v wonders if coz_ kwwii and darkmatter are kinda scared of troy_s... talking when he isnt around ;p
[12:24] <darkmatter> butterfly and naranja are probably the best in the new set. of those two butterfly is by far the superior
[12:24] <coz_> mac_v,  not in the least afraid
[12:25] <coz_> mac_v,  i would disagree with him  many times  and he  wold never back down but neither would i
[12:25] <mac_v> coz_: j/k ;)
[12:25] <darkmatter> mac_v: I'd talk when he is around, but I sleep during daylight xD
[12:25] <mac_v> lol
[12:25] <coz_> mac_v,   I just had a converstation with him last week for about an hour or so
[12:26] <darkmatter> coz_: I'd chat with him, but he's rarely online at the same time ass me *checks buddy list* see? no troy :P
[12:27] <mac_v> kwwii: what is the actual default wallpaper  ? you mentioned it was a photo... a photo of what?
[12:27] <coz_> darkmatter,  you might be able to catch him onhis blog
[12:27]  * darkmatter is considering reworking his shelf concept :(
[12:28] <Gopikrishnan> phi all
[12:29] <darkmatter> coz_:  mac_v: I need to avoid surfing the net. I keep finding hidden gems that make me wanna cry :/
[12:29] <mac_v> darkmatter: odd choice of the best[ butterfly and naranja] , the butterfly is good , but IMO , not the best for the default wallpaper...
[12:29] <coz_> darkmatter,   oh yes I understand :)
[12:29] <mac_v> darkmatter: hidden gems? i didnt understand :(
[12:30] <darkmatter> mac_v: never said default. I said out of the extras they're the best
[12:30] <mac_v> ah , ok
[12:30] <kwwii> mac_v: it is a photo of a piece of papaer
[12:30] <kwwii> paper
[12:31] <mac_v> hmm , interesting shot ...
[12:31]  * mac_v hides
[12:31] <kwwii> darkmatter: hehe, I took the butterfly pic
[12:31] <kwwii> it's "as-taken", not manipulated
[12:32]  * mac_v now hides from kwwii too about the butterfly
[12:32] <kwwii> I wouldn't use it as my wallpaper but apparently women love it :P
[12:32] <darkmatter> mac_v: remember I was talking about group/object/activity management the other day? I stumbled upon screenies of early internal alphas of the win7 superbar. the way they 'count' items, and collapsible groups, and color coding tasks... is similar to my shelf to some degree (graphically, minus the glasy crap) :/
[12:33] <mac_v> darkmatter: ah... see you should have written about it first... ;)
[12:34] <coz_> ok I guess I can set this channel as defauilt in xchat...again... seems there exists intelligence here after all lol
[12:35] <mac_v> coz_: hmm , do you know about gtk themes and theming?
[12:35] <darkmatter> mac_v: nah. my idea is still totally different, but when I see similar 'art' I get nervous. it's the whole 'zomg! copycat!' mentality even though the actual differences in how it works are substantial.
[12:35] <coz_> mac_v,  to what extent ?
[12:36] <thorwil> darkmatter: i know that feeling
[12:36] <darkmatter> mac_v: it's an art/design thing I'm sure we're all familiar with. you want to remain 'unique'
[12:36] <darkmatter> thorwil: yeah. I think we all know the feeling
[12:37] <mac_v> coz_: i'm trying to get rid of the 1px border for the list boxes > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1325768/Screenshot-The%20Widget%20Factory.png   , i'm not sure what is the exact widget class , or how to prevent them from being displayed... any ideas?
[12:37] <mac_v> darkmatter: yeah , its tough , sometimes the idea wouldnt even be the same but still it would be called a copy :/
[12:38] <coz_> mac_v,  should be in the grkrc  I wo uld have to look at the theme though
[12:38] <coz_> mac_v,   although darkmatter  might be able to say immediately
[12:38] <coz_> I always defer when i am hungry :)
[12:38] <coz_> be back after breakfast guys  :)
[12:39] <mac_v> darkmatter: did you narrow it down? i'm still not able to figure it out :( input boxes just dont like me :(
[12:40] <thorwil> oh boy: http://succeedblog.org/
[12:41] <darkmatter> mac_v: try adding GtkTextView to the list of widgets where I told ya to define with the null, as gtk is dumb like that. some are defined as basic widgets for the frams (using shadows) others textview, etc. I think the list boxes use GtkTextView iirc
[12:44] <darkmatter> thorwil: neat. I like the rubics cube mona lisa
[12:45]  * thorwil has a suspicion that gtk would need to be replaced with something else to have chance of getting all the details right
[12:46] <darkmatter> mac_v: actually, i shouldn't call gtk dumb, I should call the devs coding the guis dumb :P
[12:46] <kwwii> bratsche (cody russell) is working for canonical and has some pretty neat stuff in gtk coming
[12:47] <darkmatter> thorwil: the problem with gtk is there are to many options for how to accomplish various ui bits. it really needs nothing more than a widget cleanup
[12:47] <kwwii> so there are ways to change things, you just need to pay the right people :p
[12:48] <zniavre_> good evening / bonjour
[12:49] <darkmatter> get rid of the hackishness and in doing so force compliance to a coding standard for the ui
[12:57] <darkmatter> kwwii: pay them or lurk behind them and whack them with a blunt instrument when they try to cheat. both methods are equally effective ;)
[13:01] <darkmatter> kwwii: but back to the butterfly wall. it's really a matter of bokeh being more effective for photo backgrounds. 1) they have a greater illusion of depth due to the changes in focus, so windows tend to 'pop' more 2) the same varied focus makes them less detailed and therefor less visually distracting. btw. very well composed image. good job
[13:03] <coz_> so what graphics applications is everyone using?
[13:03] <coz_> which graphics apps rather
[13:04] <darkmatter> coz_: the usual. gimp or inkscape, depending on what needs to be accomplished
[13:04] <coz_> darkmatter,  ok have you tried   mypaint recently?  bitmap based
[13:04] <thorwil> inkscape, gimp, blender. in few cases scribus. recently a bit synfig
[13:05] <coz_> thorwil,   I havent worked much with sinfig
[13:05] <coz_> pencil  is cool for flash
[13:05] <darkmatter> coz_: nope. I've seen it, but haven't used it. I've been thinking of giving skencil a go
[13:05] <coz_> darkmatter,   try Pencil instead
[13:05] <thorwil> recently tried krita and mypaint. i will likely do some more digital drawing using mypaint in future
[13:05] <coz_> darkmatter,  skencil is a bit old
[13:06] <coz_> thorwil,  mypaint is making its way up for sure
[13:06] <coz_> thorwil,  close to competing with Corel Painter
[13:06] <coz_> soon
[13:06] <coz_> inkscape is my first c hoice
[13:07] <coz_> although all I have been doing with inkscape are themes for cairo dock at this point...troy asked that I do a few major pieces with inkscapr  but havent found the time
[13:08] <darkmatter> coz_: inkscape is great, but it has a few wankery things about it
[13:09] <coz_> darkmatter,  for sure but it far exceeds  adobe illustrator and adheres to the svg standard  which illustrator does not with proproetary formats
[13:09] <darkmatter> yup
[13:13] <zniavre_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Lucid/PixOffice  > metacity is really nice no?
[13:14] <zniavre_> ho it's the same guy who sent the 5 themes
[13:14] <kwwii> yeah, and it doesn't seem to really be something for lucid
[13:14] <coz_> i am not  liking that at all
[13:15] <mac_v> zniavre_: it looks retro , more like an old xp theme
[13:15] <coz_> selected items are too dark first off
[13:15] <coz_> and grey all over :)
[13:15] <zniavre_> the gtk is bad i still think
[13:15] <zniavre_> mac_v,  taht s true
[13:18] <mac_v> damn you gtk! arghhhhhh....
[13:18] <darkmatter> kwwii: retro ports of windowblinds themes from '98ish that are fugly to say the least. plus they're not gpl (regardless of what the gtk porter may try to publish it as)
[13:19] <kwwii> darkmatter: lol, yeah...I'll try to contact the person and tell them that I am removing them
[13:20] <zniavre_> thank you   :o)
[13:21]  * mac_v wonders if zniavre_ has a round nose ;p  
[13:22]  * thorwil wonders if mac_v has no nose, then
[13:22] <zniavre_> haha
[13:22] <mac_v>  nope , thorwil cut it off long back :)
[13:23] <coz_> mac_v,  did you find that entry in  gtkrc?
[13:23] <thorwil> mac_v: that's outrageous! you imply that i have bad memory!!
[13:24] <mac_v> thorwil: yup... ;p
[13:24] <mac_v> coz_: no :(
[13:25] <coz_> mac_v,  can you upload the gtkrc maybe i can find it
[13:26] <darkmatter> kwwii: in fact, iirc treetog wiped his dA gallery because people kept ignoring licenses and ripping his work (treetogs the original author of all those themes proposed for lucid)
[13:27] <kwwii> ouch, then I better remove them quickly
[13:27] <mac_v> coz_: I have to clean it up a bit , right now it has lot of stuff which i just added , , but do that in a bit
[13:27] <mac_v> and upload
[13:27] <coz_> mac_v,  ok no big hurry
[13:35]  * kwwii gets lunch
[13:35] <darkmatter> kwwii: from the gtl-poters gnome-look entries ' I decided to have a go at creating a port for gnome, i have unfortunately been unable to contact Treetog, so if he so wishes at any point i will of course remove the theme'
[13:36] <mac_v> darkmatter: link?
[13:36] <darkmatter> that's a potential license violation (I dun know what license treetog used) at the very least its disrespect for previous work (never port/borrow/or frankenstien without express written permission)
[13:37] <darkmatter> ops.. wrong treetog theme :.. sec
[13:38] <darkmatter> oh lookie. pix office and the others are 'gone' from the *-look sites.. hmmm
[13:40] <darkmatter> there are still themes (cursors etc) from other porters. but all without permissions
[13:41] <darkmatter> write the guy that posted to the wiki and ask him to present written permissions. if he cant scrap the entries I guess *shrug*
[13:42] <kwwii> cool
[13:44] <mac_v> ah well , if you can beat em join em ;) > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1325768/New.png
[13:45] <kwwii> I already deleted the page
[13:45] <kwwii> (s)
[13:46] <mac_v> there are other problems if we try to use the same color of the input boxes , some windows add padding  , so it gets dissociated there too ;)
[13:47] <mac_v> coz_: ^
[13:47] <coz_> mac_v,   you fixed?
[13:47] <coz_> mmm
[13:48] <mac_v> no , i just changed the color of the scroolbars , to match the color of the borders ;p
[13:49] <coz_> oh :)
[13:49] <coz_> mac_v,  I will call that a "fix"  :)
[13:50] <mac_v> lol ;)
[13:54] <coz_> be back in a bit.. I have a few things to compile here
[14:32] <fagan> I need an artist for a little project
[14:33] <fagan> I need an icon and a logo for a project that im going to show off at the UDS https://launchpad.net/parental-control/
[14:37] <fagan> Im asking here because I like the stick men on your wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork and id like if one of you changed one of them to make an icon out of it
[14:39] <thorwil> fagan: https://launchpad.net/~baerjj-gmail is responsible for the stick men
[14:40] <fagan> Cool ill send on an email
[14:40]  * thorwil goes fore a walk
[14:56] <southwind> i wish to contribute my skill to the art works of ubuntu but i dont know how
[14:56] <southwind> can any one help me
[15:19] <mac_v> southwind: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork
[15:20] <mac_v> southwind: also , do join the artwork mailing list and introduce yourself
[15:21] <southwind> k
[15:21] <southwind> :)
[15:21] <southwind> link to mail list
[15:22] <mac_v> southwind: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art , also other info are in the wiki page i gave you above
[15:22] <southwind> thank u
[15:53] <mac_v> kwwii: how do i get a new icon added to the notify-osd pack? i'm thinking of getting a patch in ubufox so that the download complete notification uses the notify-osd ...  But there isnt any icon for "action completed" , i'v been using an icon for that in the same style as the notify-osd icons...
[15:53] <mac_v> into ubufox*
[15:54] <shane_fagan> mac_v: id say you should ask one of the Dx team
[15:56] <mac_v> shane_fagan: it was discussed in ayatana , but the deadline for karmic has crossed so , it didnt happen...
[15:57] <shane_fagan> mac_v: I sub ayatana so I know and I alpha tested ubuntu too so I saw it when it came in
[15:57] <shane_fagan> The firefox notifications I mean
[15:58] <mac_v> shane_fagan: you mean the notifications are already using notify-osd?
[15:58] <shane_fagan> They did for about a day in karmic alpha 6
[15:58] <shane_fagan> then beta came out and it was removed
[15:58] <shane_fagan> the icon was weird if I remember
[15:59] <mac_v> strange ... i'v been using karmic since alpha 2 and i didnt notice this... but anyway , maybe i was using the notify-osd already  , so i dint know ;)
[15:59] <shane_fagan> :)
[16:00] <shane_fagan> mac_v: are you going to the UDS?
[16:00] <mac_v> shane_fagan: nope... cant make it
[16:00] <shane_fagan> Well there will be more than likely some talk of firefox notifications
[16:00] <shane_fagan> ill mention it
[16:01] <mac_v> shane_fagan: yeah  , thats why i was mentioning it to kwwii now itself ;)
[16:01] <shane_fagan> ah yeah
[16:01] <mac_v> shane_fagan: good , now more folks to bring up the topic :)
[16:02] <shane_fagan> Well notification consistency is a must
[16:05] <mac_v> shane_fagan: hmm , you are involved a bit with the gnome-shell right?
[16:05] <shane_fagan> mac_v: yep
[16:05] <mac_v> shane_fagan: so what happens to compiz when -shell lands?
[16:05] <shane_fagan> its getting dropped
[16:05] <shane_fagan> for mutter
[16:06] <mac_v> shane_fagan: oh... so with mutter we'd have all the same magic?
[16:06] <shane_fagan> its a mix between metacity and clutter
[16:06] <mac_v> nearly , i mean
[16:06] <shane_fagan> you can try it out if you build shell
[16:07] <shane_fagan> no wobbly windows but there are some cool other stuff
[16:07] <mac_v> shane_fagan: yeah , i did try it out , but my ATI drivers such... so didnt work out too well :(
[16:07] <shane_fagan> ah
[16:08] <shane_fagan> that would be a problem it is a little heavy at the moment
[16:08] <mac_v> shane_fagan: no wobbly windows? aw... that was something that seemed to make the system feel more natural
[16:09] <shane_fagan> mac_v: well thats just with all the builds that I have seen maybe someone can add the wobblyness to the windows :)
[16:10]  * mac_v hopes so too ;)  
[16:10] <shane_fagan> mac_v: Im making a parental control for the UDS too
[16:11] <mac_v> without wobbly when i use windows OS  , the windows feel so rigid and weird
[16:11] <shane_fagan> true
[16:11] <mac_v> shane_fagan: parental control for UDS? or for the OS?
[16:12] <shane_fagan> mac_v: well its for the OS and ill have it made for the UDS
[16:12] <shane_fagan> :D
[16:12] <mac_v> ah , /me a bit slow ;p
[16:12] <mac_v> shane_fagan:  that sounds great , i dont think there is or was one already ?
[16:13] <shane_fagan> mac_v: thats why I made it
[16:13] <mac_v> lol ;)
[16:23] <mac_v> lmao! , ubuntu-devel got a spam, i suppose, mentioning it won macbook ;p
[16:37] <alefteris> hi all, are there any source files for the xsplash/gdk background image? I would like to use it for for produsing some images for our loco website. thanks
[16:38] <mac_v> alefteris: you want the brown background or the code for the xsplahs too ?
[16:38] <mac_v> wallpaper*
[16:38] <alefteris> just the background image/wallpaper, all I could find is a jpg image
[16:39] <mac_v> alefteris: ah , right the system has only jpg... mat_t_ is the person you need to contact regarding this
[16:40] <alefteris> ok thanks, hopefully he will see the ping from here :)
[16:41] <kwwii> mac_v: send any suggestions to me, with and explanation and how it will work code-wise
[16:42] <kwwii> sorry, just got back from the store
[16:42] <mac_v> kwwii: ok .cool , i'll mail it to you....
[16:47] <kwwii> thnx
[19:02] <zniavre_> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/desktop+background+as+xsplash+%2B+gdm?content=114984
[21:20] <coz_> troy_s,  hey guy
[21:21] <troy_s> coz_: Greetings coz_.
[21:21] <coz_> troy_s,  good to see you here
[21:21] <troy_s> coz_: I don't really know why, but thanks. :)
[21:22] <coz_> troy_s,   well conversations with you are always interesting
[21:24] <coz_> of course silence is always nice too lol
[21:25] <troy_s> coz_: Sorry... just checking the installation of my quad core.
[21:25] <troy_s> coz_: I am making sure I got the thermal paste applied properly.
[21:25] <troy_s> coz_: Don't want it to melt down with all the cores firing in Blender.
[21:25] <coz_> troy_s,  use a credit card to smooth it evenly or a matchbook cover
[21:26] <coz_> troy_s,  a think even layer is far more effective than gobs
[21:26] <coz_> :)
[21:26] <troy_s> coz_: I used to think that.  LOL.  Changed my mind.  The vendor actually suggests rolls of it along the heat pipes. Believe it or not, applying it that way gets a 1.5 degree lower temperature.
[21:27] <coz_> troy_s,  that's interesting.... I think I would probably not do that but then I will have to wait for the quad core to arrive :)
[21:28] <troy_s> coz_: There is a writeup on it somewhere. A review was given using the 'smooth even' and then the vendor contacted the reviewer and said that the application was incorrect.
[21:28] <coz_> troy_s,  cool   ... will check it out if I get quad core
[21:31] <coz_> troy_s,  are you building a system or just replacing cpu ?
[21:31] <troy_s> coz_: Changed the CPU.
[21:31] <coz_> troy_s,  what did you have before?
[21:32] <troy_s> coz_: Dual core 3000+ class.
[21:32] <coz_> troy_s,   ooo  so t his will boost everything for you
[21:33] <troy_s> coz_: Yes. More importantly 45nm class.
[21:34] <coz_> well I have company here so I am going to break for a bit....   troy_s   hope to talk with you later :)
[22:14] <kwwii> hey troy_s, nice to see you around :)
[22:14] <kwwii> how's things?
[22:15] <kwwii> thanks for the sorts mill goudy, btw...I am still using it on my desktop and as window title font
[22:19] <troy_s> kwwii: Sorry... missed the page.
[22:19] <troy_s> kwwii: I don't know about how it works on the desktop, but it is a beautiful face really.
[22:19] <troy_s> kwwii: How are things in the salt mine?
[22:20] <troy_s> kwwii: bathroom brb
[22:24] <troy_s> kwwii: Back.
[22:27] <troy_s> kwwii: Getting ready for UDS I'd assume.
[22:27] <kwwii> hehe, yeah, we have a design sprint the week before, so I am leaving on sunday
[22:28] <kwwii> on the kde desktop it is really interesting
[22:28] <kwwii> it is only in the one window on the actual desktop
[22:28] <kwwii> which has neat browsing functionality, so it makes it really nice
[22:36] <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/kde-desktop-browse.png
[22:38] <kwwii> not bad considering that the it is done per extended mouse over and not clicking
[22:38] <troy_s> kwwii: Darnit... missed the text again. Catching up...
[22:38] <kwwii> feels very smooth and moving to the scrollbar is not a problem at all, nicely done
[22:39] <troy_s> kwwii: Hrm.
[22:39] <troy_s> kwwii: Not really getting it. lol.
[22:39] <troy_s> kwwii: Not smart here, so that doesn't help.
[22:40] <kwwii> yeah, kinda hard to explain the feeling ;)
[22:41] <troy_s> kwwii: Anything interesting perkulating in the saltmine?
[22:43] <kwwii> troy_s: definitely, just can't talk about it yet...among others, the design team is meeting with the dx team next week
[22:44] <troy_s> kwwii: I see the whole Ubuntu franchise is still having fundamental issues grasping a palette eh?
[22:44] <troy_s> lol
[22:45] <troy_s> kwwii: Status quo?
[22:46] <kwwii> well, until now the design team has been busy taking over everything :p
[22:46] <kwwii> we did all the CD packaging, t-shirts, stickers, presentation templates, and much, much more
[22:47] <kwwii> everything is done in-house now on our team
[22:47] <troy_s> kwwii: Who did the CD cover this time around?
[22:47] <kwwii> include the mobile stuff...the open source stuff as well as the stuff for our partners like Dell, etc
[22:48] <troy_s> kwwii: I'd think that the step away from the... unfortunate 'happy people looking at camera' can only be better in some people's minds. :)
[22:48] <kwwii> afaik it was mainly the work of Markus Haslam, our new branding guy...he did a lot of work on a new logo (but I doubt that will see the light of day anytime soon). Among other amazing projects, he did the Oyster logo for the london underground
[22:48] <troy_s> kwwii: Redoing the logo?
[22:49] <kwwii> he worked with a photographer...bought a lot of hand-made paper and brought different "filters" and ideas of bending the paper while projecting light onto it
[22:49] <kwwii> troy_s: yeah, but again, that won't be happening anytime soon
[22:49] <kwwii> it was his original contract at the company
[22:50] <kwwii> now he is an employee
[22:50] <troy_s> kwwii: Yes I spotted the texture on the wallpaper - is that the byproduct?
[22:50] <kwwii> yepp
[22:50] <troy_s> kwwii: The composition is still myopic as all hell but alas... baby steps I guess.
[22:50] <kwwii> check the server CDs and the new website stuff
[22:50] <kwwii> it is all over
[22:50] <troy_s> kwwii: Link?
[22:50] <kwwii> yeah, it is a good start I think
[22:51] <troy_s> kwwii: I just don't get the unfortunate symmetry.  It just looks ridiculous.
[22:51] <kwwii> http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud
[22:51] <troy_s> kwwii: I'm sure that was from ... uh ... on high.
[22:51] <kwwii> seems they didn't use the best of it :p
[22:51] <troy_s> kwwii: lol.
[22:51] <kwwii> the server CD cover is slick
[22:51] <troy_s> kwwii: Link?
[22:52] <kwwii> it has that wall panel from the link above, but used as a filter for white light onto paper
[22:52] <kwwii> very nive
[22:52] <kwwii> nice
[22:53] <kwwii> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=server_cd_910.pdf
[22:53] <troy_s> kwwii: What is with that 9.10?
[22:53] <troy_s> kwwii: Lol.
[22:54] <kwwii> erm, wrong link
[22:54] <troy_s> kwwii: That is still some nasty typesetting I'd add too, but alas, just the opinion of some uninformed schmuck.
[22:55] <kwwii> oh wow, they went with something different from what I last saw
[22:55] <kwwii> that is sad
[22:55] <troy_s> kwwii: I'd also add that if I weren't such a dork
[22:55] <kwwii> trust me, it wasn't the guy who designed it's fault ;)
[22:55] <troy_s> kwwii: Tell me that I'm not looking at the chromatic aberration on the 9.10?
[22:55] <troy_s> kwwii: Yeah I know I know I know I know
[22:55] <kwwii> the wallet is a bit better but not much
[22:56] <troy_s> kwwii: It is the big issue with our culture - the roots of the dysfunction are systemic.
[22:56] <kwwii> I could have taken better pics than that
[22:56] <troy_s> kwwii: Much like why I often cite the Google StopDesign blog posting.
[22:57] <troy_s> kwwii: I _really_ hate to say it, but it just feels like more of the same but different.  We can all only speculate why however. ;)
[22:57] <troy_s> kwwii: Is that chromatic aberration?  It must be eh? As in they actually photographed that 9.10 on the texture and the diopter fell apart.
[22:57] <troy_s> kwwii: Looks like mooky photography methinks.
[22:57] <kwwii> I think they played with photoshop too much and blew the curves
[22:58] <troy_s> kwwii: (and yes, might be way way way off base on that.)
[22:58] <troy_s> kwwii: Look at the white on the 9.10
[22:58] <troy_s> kwwii: It's toward the edge of the frame probably and if I didn't know better, I'd bet that is a diopter shot.  Bleeds ratpiss yellowy green on the lefts and bluey on the right.
[22:59] <kwwii> either they made it green with photoshop just to include *something* different or that is pure chroma noise...I bet from that alone you could figure out which camera was used
[23:01] <kwwii> oh well, time for sleep
[23:01] <troy_s> kwwii: Probably not camera, but I'd bet on diopter.
[23:01] <troy_s> kwwii: Night.
[23:01] <kwwii> yeah
[23:07] <troy_s> Greetings coz_
[23:07] <coz_> troy_s,  hey guy
[23:07] <troy_s> ckontros: You can't possibly just be lurking...
[23:07] <coz_> troy_s,  system up and running
[23:08] <coz_> ?
[23:08] <troy_s> coz_: Yes... seems to be stable since I popped in here.
[23:08] <coz_> cool
[23:11] <coz_> darkmatter,  hey guy
[23:11] <darkmatter> heya coz_
[23:53] <darkmatter> coz_: read this... it's mind boggling http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49304156,00.htm
[23:54] <coz_> yikes :)
[23:58] <darkmatter> lol 'why are women' googles top two suggestions 'crazy' and 'stupid' lol