[00:35] <benh> hoy
[00:35] <benh> are you guys playing nasty trick with the kernel config or so ?
[00:35] <benh> install linux-source-...
[00:35] <benh> unpack it
[00:35] <benh> stick /boot/config-* in there as .config
[00:35] <benh> apply a patch
[00:35] <benh> make drivers/usb/storage/usb-storage.ko
[00:35] <benh> and the resulting file ... doesn't work
[00:36] <benh> FATAL: Error inserting usb_storage (/lib/modules/2.6.31-14-generic/kernel/drivers/usb/storage/usb-storage.ko): Invalid module format
[00:41] <benh> apw ?
[00:44] <TheMuso> benh: Likely asleep atm, but since the way kernel packages are built has been changed recently, there still may be bugs that need sorting out.
[00:46] <benh> niiiiice
[00:46] <benh> remind why you guys did an LTS release in such a shamble ? :-)
[01:03] <TheMuso> Well not so much built, but since several trees are used to track various arm flavours, the debian dir has been abstracted a bit, so bits from the linux-source package may be incorrect/missing.
[01:31]  * Ng wonders if anyone has seen odd kernel crashes sneak into karmic very recently, my laptop was re-installed at RC and has been running since then. shut it down last night, this evening i've had it drop me to a console and start flashing capslock three times
[01:32] <Ng> I may have rebooted once in the time from RC to last night, but no more than that, so I suppose the answer is to roll back all of -updates
[01:32] <Ng> s/answer/test case/
[01:46] <pgraner> benh: Karmic is not an LTS
[01:47] <benh> pgraner: oh I though it was ... my bad
[01:47] <benh> when is the next LTS ?
[01:47] <pgraner> benh: Lucid
[01:47] <benh> ok, I stand corrected
[01:48] <benh> apw: so for this modem stuff ... I have the nagging feeling that most users on the bug that say it's not fixed for them are -not- actually running a kernel with the patch in
[04:00] <jk-> hey benh
[04:01] <benh> hey jk :-)
[04:02] <jk-> benh: do you know if the blue & white G4s have a RS232 header?
[04:02] <benh> jk-: it might
[04:02] <benh> tho B&W is G3 :-)
[04:02] <jk-> has a RJ11 modem connector on the back
[04:02] <benh> www.geethree.com
[04:02] <benh> they still exist ?
[04:02] <jk-> oh, blue & clear then :)
[04:02] <benh> nah, it's not a real one
[04:02] <benh> but the modem slot carries the serial signals
[04:02] <benh> (TTL) and those guys used to make an adapter
[04:03] <jk-> right, ok
[04:03]  * jk- cracks it open
[04:04] <benh> http://www.geethree.com/stealth/index.html
[04:04] <benh> ah
[04:04] <benh> sold out !
[04:04] <benh> crap
[04:04] <benh> maybe you can get them to send you the schematics :-)
[04:04] <benh> or the connector pinout
[04:04] <benh> or maybe on ebay
[04:07] <jk-> hm, i don't like my chances of finding a new connector for this modem socket
[04:07]  * jk- heads to ebay
[04:11] <jk-> computer says no
[04:16] <benh> well
[04:16] <benh> I think xmon still had an option to send modem commands to connect it :-)
[04:16] <benh> so you can cross wire the modem to another modem
[04:16] <benh> though that works only if the modem uses serial, not USB or i2s
[04:16] <benh> apple has all 3 options depending on the machine
[04:16] <benh> (the connector has all 3 afaik)
[04:17] <jk-> maybe i could also install a punchcard reader :P
[04:18] <benh> :-)
[04:18] <benh> you may be able to blink the front LED in morse :-)
[04:21] <TheMuso> heh what bus did the moems use in those old machines? Afaik they used i2s in the G5s and aluminium powerbook G4s for the modems.
[04:24]  * jk- notices a label on an IC on the modem "I2C-01/0001"
[04:27]  * jk- uses FB console instead
[04:33] <benh> TheMuso: could be USB
[04:34] <benh> TheMuso: apple had serial first, then usb, then i2s
[04:34] <TheMuso> benh: Ah ok.
[04:35] <TheMuso> Pitty drivers weren't written for the USB/I2S modems.
[04:36] <benh> drivers existed for the USB one
[04:36] <benh> but they were not open source
[04:36] <benh> hfcusb or something like that by that canadian dude
[04:45] <TheMuso> meh I guess there is not much point these days.
[04:51] <jk-> i was just planning to get a ppc machine for easy boot tests
[06:51] <benh> apw: so at least that "Joel" guy was running the wrong kernel
[06:51] <benh> apw: also, Alan Stern had a look at his log anyways and the problem appears to be exactly the same as the E169
[06:51] <benh> apw: so it's -possible- that they are all fixed, but people have been utterly confused by the bug status changing to "Fix Released" all the time
[06:52] <benh> apw: we'll know better once you guys finally release something based on .5 
[10:11] <benh> apw: moin
[10:11] <apw> moin
[10:11] <benh> apw: looks like we might finally get some light on that modem mess :-)
[10:11] <apw> yeah?
[10:12] <benh> apw: well, your post ... I think the main problem was confusion as to what kernel did what
[10:12] <benh> apw: your two test kernels should clarify things hopefully
[10:12] <apw> yeah lets hope so
[10:13] <apw> benh, i spend about 40 minutes writing and re-writing that update ...
[10:13] <benh> :-)
[10:13] <benh> users are a pain !
[12:59] <Appiah> hey apw had any chance to look at #418933 after i uploaded the dmesg ?
[15:43] <csurbhi> one quick question, in karmic, how do i stop booting into X.. i mean i want to login into text mode by default ?
[15:49] <apw> disable the gdm upstart job?
[16:04] <csurbhi> apw, i am searching just that.. ! how to stop gdm using upstart !! the wiki is outdated
[16:04] <csurbhi> :(
[16:07] <apw> perhaps comment out the start on stanza from /etc/init/gdm
[16:08] <apw> you may also be able to change the /etc/X11/default-display-manager to not include the gdm path too
[16:08] <apw> and you may also be able to add text to the kernel command line in grub
[23:01] <mementomori> hi
[23:02] <mementomori>  I've built my custom kernel using make-kpkg. Now if I modify/patch a module source should I rebuild the whole kernel or is there a way to build only the updated module?