[02:54] <doctormo> back
[02:54] <pleia2> evening
[02:57] <nigel_nb> pleia2: do we have some material in asciidoc that I can look at?
[02:58] <pleia2> doctormo would be the one to ask
[02:58] <pleia2> I think there is a branch or two out there
[02:58] <nigel_nb> i remember seeing the logs that he'd be out for quite some time
[02:58] <pleia2> he's around :)
[02:58] <pleia2> or, BiosElement?
[02:59] <doctormo> nigel_nb: Yes, the documents you've been editing are ASCIIdocs
[02:59] <nigel_nb> doctormo: I just wanted to see another lesson that has been completed on ASCII docs
[03:04] <nigel_nb> doctormo: I cant find any formatted this way
[03:05] <BiosElement> Just a thought nigel_nb but if you just want examples the asciidoc has a viewsource button on every page.
[03:05] <doctormo> nigel_nb: That's my fault, I wrote my 10 classes in odf and have been fairly bad at bringing them over.
[03:06] <nigel_nb> BiosElement: its not about that kind of examples
[03:06] <nigel_nb> I want to see doctormo or your work on asciidoc to get an idea to start
[03:07] <nigel_nb> I guess I'll just start the way I know and let you guys review it
[03:07] <doctormo> nigel_nb: I thought I'd already guided you through the start of writing the lesson plan?
[03:07] <nigel_nb> doctormo: you did
[03:07] <nigel_nb> doctormo: I just was wondering if i could see a "finished product"
[03:07] <doctormo> nigel_nb: Let me try and get this copy and pasted for you, it shouldn't take too long, stand by please.
[03:08] <nigel_nb> doctormo: sure.. thanks
[03:41] <doctormo> I'm fighting myself on editing it, since this was the first class written I can do much better... must resist urges :-P
[03:42] <nigel_nb> doctormo: hehe
[03:51] <doctormo> nigel_nb: OK I've send some changes to trunk2 which should fill in the command line basics class more, that should give you some idea.
[03:51] <nigel_nb> doctormo: thanks.. I've to pull it right?
[03:52] <doctormo> nigel_nb: You have to pull yes, but you may have to commit your stuff first.
[03:59] <nigel_nb> doctormo: amazing stuff.. now I got some sense of direction
[03:59] <pleia2> \o/
[04:00] <nigel_nb> aw... classes were that short.. phew.. I was picking my brains for content
[04:45] <ZachK_> hi team
[04:48] <ZachK_> hello?????
[04:48] <nigel_nb> doctormo: finished the first section..
[04:48] <nigel_nb> doctormo: I'm gonna push it, can just take a peek?
[04:53] <ZachK_> nhandler: help
[04:59] <doctormo> nigel_nb:
[04:59] <nigel_nb> doctormo: yes
[04:59] <doctormo> nigel_nb: Sure thing, just finishing off with some board business
[04:59] <nigel_nb> doctormo: oh cool
[04:59] <ZachK_> nhandler:
[05:00] <nigel_nb> doctormo: when you get time, gimme some feedback on it so that I can continue in the same manner (section 01)
[05:00] <nhandler> Yes ZachK_ ?
[05:01] <ZachK_> nhandler: nigel_nb told me i could talk to you about getting my channel back?
[05:05] <doctormo> cprofitt: Would you like to talk here more about the direction of things?
[05:06] <cprofitt> Not currently doctormo I need sleep as does pleia2
[05:08] <doctormo> Aye aye, cprofitt, let me know, because this vision thing is most acute between us I think.
[05:08] <cprofitt> I will...
[05:08] <cprofitt> I will try to get it all written down and send you an email...
[05:08] <cprofitt> good night all
[05:09] <nigel_nb> night cprofitt
[05:11] <doctormo> nigel_nb: Review, you've not replaced "Section 01" in the header lines, it's best to put in what this part is about, i.e. in mine I have "Introducing the Command Line"
[05:12] <ZachK_> doctormo: such as the page title then the first topic header then a sub header on what that topic is about
[05:12] <ZachK_> doctormo: correct?
[05:12] <nigel_nb> doctormo: It should be Introduction to Bazaar - Bazaar Introduction?
[05:12] <doctormo> ZachK_: Sorry, I think I'm out of context.
[05:13] <ZachK_> doctormo?
[05:13] <doctormo> nigel_nb: Introduction to Bazaar belongs in the class pages in the root, the rest of it is yes in the section.
[05:13] <doctormo> ZachK_: I mean to say that I don't think I understand what your saying, could you repeat?
[05:14] <ZachK_> doctormo: first you have the page title. then you have your first Header or the TOPIC HEADER. under that you have a sub header of what the topic will cover
[05:15] <nigel_nb> doctormo: So, every time I see "<Section 01>" I should replace it with "Introduction to Bazaar"?
[05:15] <nigel_nb> doctormo: I did lose you in that explanation
[05:17] <doctormo> ZachK_: Yes, but in these files, they apear split up.
[05:17] <ZachK_> ah ok
[05:18] <ZachK_> doctormo: want my assistance?
[05:18] <doctormo> nigel_nb: Sorry, where you see <Section 01> or just "Section 01" you need to have the section name, such as "Bazaar Introduction" or "Security Keys"
[05:18] <doctormo> ZachK_: If you like, you can download nigel_nb's branch and follow allong.
[05:18] <nigel_nb> oh, I'm supposed to replace the entire thing with section heading...
[05:18] <nigel_nb> ah, now I get it
[05:19] <ZachK_> yes nigel_nb
[05:19] <ZachK_> nigel_nb: the section header is or at least can be one of the most important part of a page
[05:19] <doctormo> nigel_nb: I think this might be a sticking point that we might have to fix, so don't be surprised if I change this so you don't have t repeat the title 3 times.
[05:19] <nigel_nb> doctormo: you've put the template as "<Section 01> Overview"
[05:20] <nigel_nb> so I thought <Section 01> was something I shouldn't touch, I want to ask you though when i saw that you didn't have it
[05:20] <nigel_nb> *wanted to ask
[05:20] <doctormo> nigel_nb: Nope, anything like that is editable, none of these files are scripted like that. (although it would be nice)
[05:22] <nigel_nb> doctormo: so the overview would be "Introduction to Bazaar - Overview" ?
[05:22] <nigel_nb> or "Introduction to Bazaar Overview"?
[05:23] <doctormo> nigel_nb: One second,
[05:37] <nigel_nb> doctormo: ?
[05:38] <doctormo> nigel_nb: OK, I think we should put aside changing those headers for now. Until we've got a game plan for making it make sense.
[05:38] <nigel_nb> hehe..okay
[05:38] <doctormo> nigel_nb: So I think your pages look great :-)
[05:38] <nigel_nb> doctormo: thanks, then I'll continue with it...
[05:39] <nigel_nb> doctormo: hopefully by Wednesday, I should have that module ready
[05:39] <nigel_nb> doctormo: did u guys decide anything on the table?
[05:40] <doctormo> nigel_nb: perfect, we'll do some in depth peer review on the mailing list, so post your "course ready" on the mailing list, with a link to the launchpad code point.
[05:40] <doctormo> nigel_nb: tables?
[05:40] <nigel_nb> doctormo: was on the mailing list, the module list being converted into tables
[05:41] <doctormo> nigel_nb: nothing on that is decided I don't think.
[05:41] <nigel_nb> doctormo: hmm
[05:41] <nigel_nb> doctormo: btw, nothing about my course on the module list....
[05:42] <doctormo> nigel_nb: Where is the module list?
[05:44] <nigel_nb> doctormo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/TeachingTopics
[05:45] <doctormo> nigel_nb: Ah! add it, or do you want me to add it?
[05:45] <nigel_nb> doctormo: I'll do it, I just wanted your go ahead, where do I put it?
[05:46] <nigel_nb> doctormo: after which topic?
[05:46] <doctormo> nigel_nb: See that "development process" you should add one above that called "Introduction to Bazaar" and then link to your LP branch on launchpad and say that your working on it in (brackets)
[05:47] <nigel_nb> doctormo: okay
[05:47] <doctormo> sorry it took me a second to cotton onto what you were saying.
[05:48] <nigel_nb> doctormo: no problem :)
[05:50] <nigel_nb> doctormo: done :)
[05:51] <nigel_nb> doctormo: i'm off to learn some Moodle
[05:52] <nigel_nb> doctormo: oh and by the way.. if I develop a new topic, I can keep it in the same branch?
[05:53] <doctormo> nigel_nb: You could, but best practice is to make a new branch per class so that merge requests (which we get into later) are clearer.
[05:54] <nigel_nb> oh, so I gotta clean up the current branch right?
[05:54] <doctormo> nigel_nb: Wait, your expected to have all the sections of a class in the same branch, what other thigns do you have?
[05:55] <nigel_nb> actually I have the entire trunk up
[05:55] <doctormo> nigel_nb: No, what I mean is, what else have you modified? I understand that the entire trunk comes to you.
[05:56] <nigel_nb> i haven't done anything else
[05:56] <nigel_nb> but i
[05:56] <doctormo> nigel_nb: It's not what files you have, it's what files you modify, it's the change set per branch.
[05:56] <nigel_nb> doctormo: I've claimed setting up email
[05:56] <nigel_nb> doctormo: so i need to rename by branch...
[05:57] <doctormo> nigel_nb: It's ok for this first one, next time, a new branch name.
[05:57] <nigel_nb> doctormo: okay :)
[06:02] <nigel_nb> doctormo: changed
[12:46] <Elessar_81> good morning
[13:05] <ZachK_> Elessar_81: good morning to you
[13:06] <Elessar_81> i found this project via a blog entry by Martin Owens. it is very interesting
[13:26] <ZachK_> Elessar_81: nice
[13:26] <ZachK_> Elessar_81: feel free to talk to us and also you might want to check out the BT Team
[13:26] <pleia2> welcome Elessar_81
[13:27] <Elessar_81> what is BT?
[13:27] <ZachK_> Beginners Team
[13:27] <ZachK_> It's for helping new users to Ubuntu and getting them acclimated to the OS itself...
[13:27] <pleia2> Elessar_81: cool, what interests you - course development? teaching? other things?
[13:27] <ZachK_> and yes experienced users help new guys
[13:27] <ZachK_> pleia2: hey!.....my convert!
[13:28] <ZachK_> pleia2: kidding =)
[13:28] <pleia2> ZachK_: hm?
[13:29] <Elessar_81> ah ok, sry. i'm originally from Germany but i will move to Portland, Maine soon. i spend 3 years studying electrical engineering and 3 years studying computer science. i'm interested in development and teaching
[13:29] <pleia2> hooray portland, maine :)
[13:29] <ZachK_> Elessar_81: teaching? nice =)
[13:30] <pleia2> great
[13:30] <Elessar_81> yes but i think more like teaching localy
[13:30] <Elessar_81> in person
[13:31] <ZachK_> ah..
[13:31] <pleia2> cool, Martin Owens is already doing a lot of that down in massachusetts with this coursework
[13:31] <ZachK_> Elessar_81: so what interests you concerning Ubuntu/Linux?
[13:32] <pleia2> he's written about 10 courses so far in the sysadmin category, and has been doing intro classes for quite some time that have yet to be put to paper, so to speak
[13:32] <Elessar_81> well i like the community support, in germany as in the USA. it helped me a lot while discovering ubuntu a couple of years ago.
[13:32] <ZachK_> ok pleia2 i'm outa here as you know more about the Learning project than I do atm
[13:33] <pleia2> ZachK_: ok
[13:33] <pleia2> Elessar_81: does the german team do teaching too?
[13:34] <Elessar_81> i don't think so not that i know. there are some loco teams that have meetings with special topics and presentations
[13:34]  * pleia2 nods
[13:36] <pleia2> you can check out links to Martin's blog where he has a bunch of courses already by checking out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/SystemAdminTopics
[13:36] <pleia2> just scroll down to "System Administration Basics Course"
[13:37] <Elessar_81> thanks i check it out
[13:37] <pleia2> we're working on a more formal "quickstart guide" for new contributors, but until then feel free to check out the rest of our stuff and let us know if you have any questions :)
[13:39] <Elessar_81> sure thanks
[18:23] <doctormo> pleia2, we don't have a project in launchpad for the ubuntu-learning project it's self, only one for moodle code and one for materials. should I just attach blueprints for UDS to the materials?
[18:24] <pleia2> doctormo: we have launchpad.net/~ubuntu-learning
[18:24] <pleia2> which keeps track of members, and is probably appropriate
[18:24] <doctormo> pleia2: That's a group, it's asking for a project.
[18:24] <pleia2> oh :)
[18:24] <pleia2> yeah, just attach it to the materials
[18:28] <doctormo> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-learning-materials/+spec/ubuntu-learning-development
[18:28] <doctormo> I set the approver to the board
[18:28] <pleia2> excellent :)
[18:29]  * pleia2 subscribes
[18:35] <Doorman352> is this for general learning or for accreditation?
[18:46] <mhall119|work> learning
[18:53] <pleia2> doctormo: wanna drop a note to the list with the blueprint link?
[18:53] <doctormo> pleia2: sure thing'
[18:54] <pleia2> thanks for doing that, I am still a blueprint n00b :)
[18:58] <doctormo> pleia2: Email sent
[19:16] <doctormo> BiosElement: wow installing asciidoc sucks in 250MB of debs
[19:21] <doctormo> It's ruby + docbook + latex + texlive (and every plugin) + asciidoc, so it's like everything all in one.
[19:22] <pleia2> ah, I didn't even realize because I already had docbook and all the latex stuff installed
[19:26] <doctormo> sorry, it's actually 30MB.
[19:27] <doctormo> Just one package is 30MB 'texlive-pstricks-doc', that's a A LOT of docs since it's compressed.
[21:30] <doctormo> BiosElement: Ping, I found the asciidoc commands I needed, I'm shaping some scripts to do the work now.
[21:36] <BiosElement> doctormo: Aight, Great work. ^_^
[21:38] <doctormo> BiosElement: How is what your doing, going?
[21:38] <BiosElement> doctormo: Not bad. Just working on getting my bazaar setup again >.<