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MenZaFor the record, I poked AS in a query not to do that... whatever 'that' is.00:06
ubottuprower called the ops in #ubuntu ()00:21
MenZaattitude problems in #ubuntu00:22
FlannelI can't tell if lizzy would get better support in another channel00:27
MenZaI can't see what the whole issue is about00:27
FlannelShe needs help connecting to some database? or something? and is trying to figure out if she needs a tunnel (ssh tunnel?)00:28
* MenZa shrugs00:28
ubottuLoafers called the ops in #ubuntu (manish)01:19
ubottuMenZa called the ops in #ubuntu (mirc-drifter)01:33
ubottuLjL called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mirc-drifter)01:33
DBOfinal version of my hilarious conversation with prower, hes a terrible troll and I was BORED01:33
DBOhttp://paste2.org/p/50157901:33
MenZaTHankyaverymach.01:33
MenZa@ Flannel01:33
elkbuntuspeaking people!01:34
elkyoh deary01:35
DBOwe cant speak!01:35
DBOclones01:35
DBOelkbuntu lacks the +v01:35
DBOshes the fake01:35
elkypwnt.01:35
DBOhaha01:35
naliothyes, fake.01:35
DBOnalioth, I kindly request you review my actions in the log I pasted01:36
DBOif you find I was out of line I request further you remove my status as operator :)01:36
MenZaFlannel: he's back01:36
Flannelmirc-drifter: how can we help you?01:36
naliothDBO: did you want something special for that waste of my eyesight?01:39
DBOno, I was just keeping my word01:39
DBOi figured I would get a smart ass response :P01:40
MenZanalioth: Actually, I found it quite entertaining. And DBO *is* only acting as he said in the /query.01:41
MenZaAs much as it is baiting, and trolling a troll, I do believe he was put in his place.01:41
Flannelmirc-drifter: Is there anything we can help you with today?01:44
naliothmirc-drifter: welcome to #ubuntu-ops, can we be of service?  If not, please respect our /topic.01:45
naliothhi LjL01:45
LjLhi nal01:45
LjLshall i wait in the queue?01:45
naliothLjL: the queue to be shown the door? whyever would you want to be in that one?  :)01:46
LjLgood point :P01:46
MenZahehehe01:46
LjLok, i just wanted to inform you what "papait" in #ubuntu-offtopic has been abusive to me in private, in case it happens with someone else01:46
LjLbasically, just after joining -ot and larting me, i started getting NOTICEs from him01:47
LjL16 of them to be exact01:47
LjLwhich looked like [02:22:42] [Notice] -papait- you are a nice JOKER01:47
naliothLjL: ok, thanks for the info01:47
LjLit might be a very old acquaintance i banned ages ago, who used to behave like that, i'm not really sure01:47
LjLbye01:48
LjLso i *should* know him?01:55
LjL"avash" didn't quite ring a bell, aside from being in the logs a couple of times...01:56
LjLbut i haven't looked in the old logs.01:56
LjLoh, meh, i just didn't look hard enough in the new ones. i'll just grab the popcorn then01:58
ubottuaperson called the ops in #ubuntu (xfire8)02:26
ubottuAshfire908 called the ops in #ubuntu (mysoogal)03:30
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)04:21
ubottuFloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)04:21
bazhangprower seems to still be at it04:37
wgrantOh, prower is known?04:38
bazhangcheck the paste from DBO above wgrant04:38
DBOis he?04:38
wgrantbazhang: I read that earlier, but didn't make the connection. Oops.04:38
DBOwhere is he?04:38
wgrant#u04:38
bazhang#ubuntu DBO04:39
DBOokay04:40
DBOI will watch him04:40
DBOthank you04:40
TrueSongMediaHey guys... I can't join #ubuntu and the test in #ubuntu-read-topic fails06:07
TrueSongMediaany ideas?06:07
elkyi have an idea. wait more than 2 minutes.06:11
mneptokjinx!06:11
TrueSongMediaSo what's the deal with the #ubuntu-read-topic junk?06:12
mneptokTrueSongMedia: you were disconnected when someone ran a know exploit.06:12
TrueSongMediaWhat happened?06:12
mneptok*known06:12
TrueSongMediaAhh06:12
TrueSongMediafun :/06:12
mneptokhence, you are asked to correct the problem before using #ubuntu again06:12
TrueSongMediamakes sense06:12
TrueSongMediaDid you report the person to the network?06:12
elkyTrueSongMedia, so you'll correct the problem and come back to us on port 8001 or whatever?06:13
TrueSongMediaOh, it's already fixed. I'm in #ubuntu now. I was just curious why it was needed :)06:13
TrueSongMediaBut did you report the exploiter to an 0p3r so he/she/it can be banned?06:14
elkyyes.06:14
TrueSongMediaCool :)06:14
TrueSongMediaWell, not cool that it's needed, but cool that it's taken care of06:14
DBOnalioth, you here?06:21
DBOhey do we have any freenode staffers here?06:24
prowerSo, #ubuntu-ops are in the business of "trolling trolls" now, are they? Interesting stuff. Does the IRC council provide special training on that, or are you just naturally a bunch of assholes to begin with?06:39
tsimpsonerm, what are you on about exactly?06:39
prowerMenZa: Glad I could provide you with some "entertainment."06:39
prowertsimpson: Why don't you ask your nazi friend DBO, who apparently is getting his screen capturing software ready to catch my "crazy," being the immature little fuck that he is06:40
DBOhes nuts06:41
DBOI love him06:41
DBOcan we keep him?06:41
tsimpsonyou know what, I don't think I'm going to get anywhere with you prower, so I'll point you to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/AppealProcess06:41
tsimpsonif you have an issue with an op(s), there are instructions tere06:41
tsimpson*there06:41
prowertsimpson: You know what? DBO said there was a process too. And that process was him making fun of me behind my back.06:41
prowertsimpson: Fuck your process.06:42
tsimpsonuse it or don't06:42
tsimpsonresolve this or don't06:42
DBOhes not banned tsimpson, just so you know06:42
DBOhes just been swearing at me in PM for about 30 minutes06:42
prowerYou're all just as fucking bad as ikonia, a bunch of immature little shits with more power than you deserve. You go ahead and "keep" what you're got DBO, you fucking twat. Hope you had fun.06:42
tsimpsonprower: you clearly aren't in a mood to discuss anything06:42
DBOI got logs if you wanna read, they are hilarious06:42
MenZaI don't know whether to laugh or cry.06:43
DBOits funny06:43
* tsimpson just gives up and waits for his alien overloads to arrive06:43
Tm_Tlove is in the air06:43
DBOthat man is the single handedly craziest person I ever met06:44
MenZaI'm... inclined to agree06:44
* MenZa shakes head disbelievingly06:44
MenZaSee, the thing is DBO, you must have made an impact on him06:44
MenZaHe went through, checked the links, found the IRC logs to -ops (I assume), and he's most likely still reading along.06:45
DBOwell his original anger was I didn't ban the girl who screamed retards in #ubuntu and instead just told her to tone it down06:45
DBOyeah I figured he would see it06:45
DBOdidn't *care*06:45
DBOi only have to put up with him for so long before hes just wasting my time and I deserve some fun out of it :P06:46
MenZaAll I'm saying is that you must've made an impact on him that way round06:46
DBOwell his anger level is actually only slightly elevated from when I first started talking to him06:46
DBOhes been wound up all night06:47
* MenZa nods06:47
* wgrant sighs.06:47
ubottuprower called the ops in #ubuntu ()06:55
MenZaAnd that, ladies and gentlemen06:56
MenZaIs the action of a desperate man.06:56
DBOwell thats that06:56
MenZaTrolls: 0, Ubuntu: 106:56
* MenZa shakes DBO's hand.06:56
DBOgood game06:56
MenZaWell played, good sir.06:57
* tsimpson stares at jussi01___ in #k and blinks several times06:57
prowerAhh, well that was fun, I must say. :> Thanks a load.07:18
prowerFlannel: You can feel free to keep that ban as long as you'd like, I've had my fun with DBO and I have several other users sitting in channel. No one better than an Ubuntu op as a trolling victim -- haven't found a better target yet!07:19
Flannelprower: If there's nothing else we can do for you at the moment, please don't idle here.  Thanks.07:21
prowerFlannel: Oh no, DBO provided all the entertainment that we needed and your ban hasn't even gotten rid of me. Besides, I'm not idling, I'm having a chat.07:21
tsimpsonprower: you have been told what to do if you have an issue with an operator, it's up to you to choose to do that or not07:21
prowertsimpson: Ahh, I don't have any real issue with any operator. :> Made a good act of it though, no?07:22
tsimpsonif you have no issue, then you have no business here07:22
prowertsimpson: Hmm...well, what issues are covered here?07:22
tsimpsonThis channel is for operator/abuse questions in the IRC Team domain only07:23
tsimpsonfrom /topic07:23
prowertsimpson: Ahh, that must have scrolled by too quickly for me, sorry. I was too busy laughing myself shitless at DBO. I do have an actual question along those lines, however.07:24
elkyprower, this is not a place to spectate or obtain entertainment from.07:24
prowerelky: Well it was a place that DBO thought he could get entertainment from me, it's a shame for him that he was the one being strung along but I can't account for his gullibility. :>07:25
elkyprower, you do not appear to have any need to be in this channel.07:25
prowertsimpson: In either case, my question -- why aren't the IRC team members also a part of the council? I think that they ought to have more of a say in the process, there seems to be a disconnect between the two.07:25
tsimpsonprower: members of the IRC Council are members of the IRC operators team07:26
prowertsimpson: Ahh, okay -- so it's the reverse of how I was picturing it then, the IRC council members have an administrative roll as well?07:27
tsimpsonif you want to talk to the council the details are in the link I gave you earlier07:27
prowertsimpson: I don't have any need to speak to the council, as I said I don't have any issue with any particular operator.07:27
tsimpsonthe IRC Council are the group responsible for the IRC operators team07:27
prowertsimpson: I see...and there's a "pool" of people that the council would consider as potential operators I suppose, or does it work differently than that?07:28
prower(No, I don't want to be one, if that's what you're thinking :P For one I'd never have a chance, for another you guys fall for it way, way too easily, I wouldn't want to be associated with you to be honest)07:29
tsimpsonthe council pick operators as the need arises from the active members in the channel(s)07:29
elkyprower, operators are selected from active, helpful people who contribute on IRC politely and who show a capacity to mediate situations.07:29
prowerelky: Well that certainly makes sense, you want people who are level-headed and involved in the community to manage said community. Same way that a lot of the message boards I've moderated on have worked. :>07:30
prowertsimpson: I'd imagine that sometimes results in bad choices though? Accidentally of course...some people who are active and then get a +o probably don't always use it the way they should07:32
prowertsimpson: But there's not really a better way to select people, when you think about it07:32
tsimpsonnot often07:32
prowerMenZa: Congrats by the way, you weren't fooled for even half of a second. :>07:33
elkyprower, i'm failing to understand what you're trying to achieve here.07:33
prowertsimpson: Oh, I wouldn't think so...I've been coming here for years, can't remember a time in recent memory where an op that was brought on had to be removed for those reasons07:33
elkyprower, then you're not as in touch as you think you are.07:34
prowerelky: Well I'm not an "insider" as you would say, so obviously I'm not privy to every detail of what happens on the administrative side, graned07:34
prowerelky: In either case I'm not trying to achieve anything, I'm asking questions about the IRC council because I'm genuinely curious. :> Already "achieved" what I wanted with DBO.07:35
prower(Thanks DBO)07:35
elkyprower, so what exactly are you aiming to achieve here now.07:35
Amaranthelky: He wants to screw with you too07:35
prowerelky: I believe I just stated that07:35
prowerAmaranth: No, if I was screwing with somebody it'd be much more obvious, and he wouldn't fall for it :> Too smart for that07:35
prowerI'm just curious about how people got to be ops in the first place, that's all, the association with Canonical, etc.07:36
tsimpsonthere is detail about the council at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/IrcCouncil07:36
tsimpsonooh, too late07:36
* MenZa raises eyebrow07:37
elkyoh a PM. one that does not prompt a reply, so none shall be given.07:38
elkymore baiting PMs that do not actually require responses.07:40
* MenZa knows them07:41
elkyand a threat to ban evade. tasty.07:42
elky<prower> I will be coming back to #ubuntu though, you can't throw the banhammer down when you don't know which account is which, no? :> Have a good one!07:43
wgrantThey never seem to realise the consequences of that...07:43
* tsimpson still waits for the alien overlords to arrive07:43
elkywgrant, well that's their sense of self-importance and misplaced admiration for their own genius.07:44
* MenZa is reminded of the old my-dad-can-beat-up-your-dad, sips.07:45
DBOhes been using the same IP for over a year, he also uses the name orochi, his name is John Walsh, email address prower2000@gmail.com, ip 72.139.80.23907:49
DBOthat should about cover any identifying information07:49
elkyah, that email address is familiar.07:50
DBOyou really think he would use a proxy07:50
MenZaDBO is a professional stalker.07:51
DBOeh it only took a couple googles and some email headers07:51
MenZawhich is what professional stalkers do these days07:51
elkyalso goes by blue fox and uses both hotmail and yahoo addresses for prower200007:51
MenZa*eyeballs*07:51
DBOyep07:52
elkyDBO, is he also blind melon or something like that?07:54
DBOmaybe07:54
DBOalso is prower2000@crosswinds.net07:55
elkyif so, he definately knows about the IRC Council.07:55
DBOelky, his name was attached tosomething like blind|melon07:55
elkythe logs of this channel should have traces of him from late july through to early august.07:56
MenZainteresting07:58
* jussi01 sighs...07:59
DBOyou okay jussi01?07:59
jussi01DBO: just one of those days. what can go wrong will go wrong :(07:59
DBOanything we can help you with?08:00
elkyjussi01, welcome to my week!08:00
DBOlook, I found his pubkey! :P http://wwwkeys.ch.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xEBC12E8E08:01
jussi01nah, Ive got to kick some kubuntu dev's butts though.... who ever didnt put the windows usb creator, or a tleast a link to it, on the karmic cd should be shot.08:01
tsimpsonok, can we stop doing that now?08:01
DBOfrom http://wwwkeys.ch.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=index&search=crosswinds08:01
DBOyeah08:01
DBOsorry08:01
tsimpsonjussi01: it's on the netbook CD, where it belongs ;)08:01
jussi01tsimpson: it needs to be at least linked from the normal cd.08:02
* MenZa hugs jussi01 08:04
jussi01Guys, I just read backlog. Can you please remember this is a public channel, and while he may have been angry and sounding a bit nuts, we still have a duty to be professional and not "troll" the trolls. Please be careful what you say and do, we are the ubuntu ops, lets behave like ops.08:15
MenZajussi01: in hindsight, that was slightly stupid. I apologise for my part in it, even though I *did* not feel that it was unfair in anyway08:23
MenZafrom a more principled point of view though, that wasn't exactly the correct conduct08:23
MenZaif anything, it was unfair to the rest of the community, but not to him08:24
MenZathat's my only regret.08:24
tsimpsonwe have a responsibility to be examples to other users, and we can't expect others to follow the CoC and guidelines if we don't ourselfs08:26
MenZaand that's the part I'm not too happy about having bordered08:26
ubottugoose called the ops in #ubuntu ()08:31
MenZaboxxy again?!08:32
bazhangin PM08:33
MenZa[2009-11-06 08:33:33 UTC]  <boxxy> GAYNIGGERS FROM OUTERSPACE08:33
MenZain a query08:33
* MenZa lawds.08:33
* MenZa invokes soft-ignore.08:34
bazhangnow in #freenode08:36
bazhangunresponsive in PM (outside of profanity). sorry can't hang around longer, work calls.08:38
dholbachgood morning08:44
tsimpsonI want proof of that ;)08:44
MenZamorning dholbach08:51
dholbachhi MenZa08:51
jpdsmorning dholbach.10:05
dholbachhi jpds10:06
jussi01socks4anon: is there something we can help you with?10:06
jussi01hallo dholbach :)10:06
dholbachhi jussi0110:06
jussi01socks4anon: Ok, Im going to remove you from the channel as you are non responsive, however you are welcome to drop back when you are active to discuss your issue.10:09
jpdsjussi01: is idle : 0 days 7 hours 52 mins 20 secs10:13
jussi01jpds: huh?10:13
jpdsjussi01: If you /whois him. ;)10:14
jussi01mhm. Im just trying to get why you told me this. ?10:15
MenZaw7 6010:16
MenZawoop10:16
MenZa+s10:16
PiciWell those were some interesting hilights12:58
ubottuIn ubottu, Pici said: no ping is <reply> Here I am, brain the size of a planet and you ask me to respond to a ping? How depressing.13:55
Piciargh13:55
Pici@login13:56
ubottuThe operation succeeded.13:56
elkylol14:19
topylihmmm iirc they don't call that planet the size of ubottu's brain a planet anymore :(14:21
ikoniathat's no mooon........14:50
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Tm_Thi all, jussi01 asked me to say that he won't have internet connection in whole weekend16:39
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ubottuIn ubottu, Darkedge said: lego is something to play with :)20:14
Pici!away > _Spider_20:55
Seeker`2/whowas mesula21:12
nikooh, see http://packages.ubunut.com/22:39
tsimpsonhmm?22:55
tsimpsonI need someone with UbuntuIrcCouncil access, anyone about?23:42
AmaranthIsn't there a trigger to ping the council?23:43
tsimpson!search council23:43
ubottuFound: mako, irccouncil, ircc23:43
bazhangyeah by using their nicks23:44
tsimpsonooh, I just remembered they have a channel now23:44
tsimpsonexcept it's very empty23:45
tsimpsonnalioth: are you about?23:46
naliothtsimpson: hi23:50
tsimpsonnalioth: mind if I /msg you?23:50
naliothtsimpson: any time23:50

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