| MenZa | For the record, I poked AS in a query not to do that... whatever 'that' is. | 00:06 |
|---|---|---|
| ubottu | prower called the ops in #ubuntu () | 00:21 |
| MenZa | attitude problems in #ubuntu | 00:22 |
| Flannel | I can't tell if lizzy would get better support in another channel | 00:27 |
| MenZa | I can't see what the whole issue is about | 00:27 |
| Flannel | She needs help connecting to some database? or something? and is trying to figure out if she needs a tunnel (ssh tunnel?) | 00:28 |
| * MenZa shrugs | 00:28 | |
| ubottu | Loafers called the ops in #ubuntu (manish) | 01:19 |
| ubottu | MenZa called the ops in #ubuntu (mirc-drifter) | 01:33 |
| ubottu | LjL called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mirc-drifter) | 01:33 |
| DBO | final version of my hilarious conversation with prower, hes a terrible troll and I was BORED | 01:33 |
| DBO | http://paste2.org/p/501579 | 01:33 |
| MenZa | THankyaverymach. | 01:33 |
| MenZa | @ Flannel | 01:33 |
| elkbuntu | speaking people! | 01:34 |
| elky | oh deary | 01:35 |
| DBO | we cant speak! | 01:35 |
| DBO | clones | 01:35 |
| DBO | elkbuntu lacks the +v | 01:35 |
| DBO | shes the fake | 01:35 |
| elky | pwnt. | 01:35 |
| DBO | haha | 01:35 |
| nalioth | yes, fake. | 01:35 |
| DBO | nalioth, I kindly request you review my actions in the log I pasted | 01:36 |
| DBO | if you find I was out of line I request further you remove my status as operator :) | 01:36 |
| MenZa | Flannel: he's back | 01:36 |
| Flannel | mirc-drifter: how can we help you? | 01:36 |
| nalioth | DBO: did you want something special for that waste of my eyesight? | 01:39 |
| DBO | no, I was just keeping my word | 01:39 |
| DBO | i figured I would get a smart ass response :P | 01:40 |
| MenZa | nalioth: Actually, I found it quite entertaining. And DBO *is* only acting as he said in the /query. | 01:41 |
| MenZa | As much as it is baiting, and trolling a troll, I do believe he was put in his place. | 01:41 |
| Flannel | mirc-drifter: Is there anything we can help you with today? | 01:44 |
| nalioth | mirc-drifter: welcome to #ubuntu-ops, can we be of service? If not, please respect our /topic. | 01:45 |
| nalioth | hi LjL | 01:45 |
| LjL | hi nal | 01:45 |
| LjL | shall i wait in the queue? | 01:45 |
| nalioth | LjL: the queue to be shown the door? whyever would you want to be in that one? :) | 01:46 |
| LjL | good point :P | 01:46 |
| MenZa | hehehe | 01:46 |
| LjL | ok, i just wanted to inform you what "papait" in #ubuntu-offtopic has been abusive to me in private, in case it happens with someone else | 01:46 |
| LjL | basically, just after joining -ot and larting me, i started getting NOTICEs from him | 01:47 |
| LjL | 16 of them to be exact | 01:47 |
| LjL | which looked like [02:22:42] [Notice] -papait- you are a nice JOKER | 01:47 |
| nalioth | LjL: ok, thanks for the info | 01:47 |
| LjL | it might be a very old acquaintance i banned ages ago, who used to behave like that, i'm not really sure | 01:47 |
| LjL | bye | 01:48 |
| LjL | so i *should* know him? | 01:55 |
| LjL | "avash" didn't quite ring a bell, aside from being in the logs a couple of times... | 01:56 |
| LjL | but i haven't looked in the old logs. | 01:56 |
| LjL | oh, meh, i just didn't look hard enough in the new ones. i'll just grab the popcorn then | 01:58 |
| ubottu | aperson called the ops in #ubuntu (xfire8) | 02:26 |
| ubottu | Ashfire908 called the ops in #ubuntu (mysoogal) | 03:30 |
| ubottu | FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) | 04:21 |
| ubottu | FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) | 04:21 |
| bazhang | prower seems to still be at it | 04:37 |
| wgrant | Oh, prower is known? | 04:38 |
| bazhang | check the paste from DBO above wgrant | 04:38 |
| DBO | is he? | 04:38 |
| wgrant | bazhang: I read that earlier, but didn't make the connection. Oops. | 04:38 |
| DBO | where is he? | 04:38 |
| wgrant | #u | 04:38 |
| bazhang | #ubuntu DBO | 04:39 |
| DBO | okay | 04:40 |
| DBO | I will watch him | 04:40 |
| DBO | thank you | 04:40 |
| TrueSongMedia | Hey guys... I can't join #ubuntu and the test in #ubuntu-read-topic fails | 06:07 |
| TrueSongMedia | any ideas? | 06:07 |
| elky | i have an idea. wait more than 2 minutes. | 06:11 |
| mneptok | jinx! | 06:11 |
| TrueSongMedia | So what's the deal with the #ubuntu-read-topic junk? | 06:12 |
| mneptok | TrueSongMedia: you were disconnected when someone ran a know exploit. | 06:12 |
| TrueSongMedia | What happened? | 06:12 |
| mneptok | *known | 06:12 |
| TrueSongMedia | Ahh | 06:12 |
| TrueSongMedia | fun :/ | 06:12 |
| mneptok | hence, you are asked to correct the problem before using #ubuntu again | 06:12 |
| TrueSongMedia | makes sense | 06:12 |
| TrueSongMedia | Did you report the person to the network? | 06:12 |
| elky | TrueSongMedia, so you'll correct the problem and come back to us on port 8001 or whatever? | 06:13 |
| TrueSongMedia | Oh, it's already fixed. I'm in #ubuntu now. I was just curious why it was needed :) | 06:13 |
| TrueSongMedia | But did you report the exploiter to an 0p3r so he/she/it can be banned? | 06:14 |
| elky | yes. | 06:14 |
| TrueSongMedia | Cool :) | 06:14 |
| TrueSongMedia | Well, not cool that it's needed, but cool that it's taken care of | 06:14 |
| DBO | nalioth, you here? | 06:21 |
| DBO | hey do we have any freenode staffers here? | 06:24 |
| prower | So, #ubuntu-ops are in the business of "trolling trolls" now, are they? Interesting stuff. Does the IRC council provide special training on that, or are you just naturally a bunch of assholes to begin with? | 06:39 |
| tsimpson | erm, what are you on about exactly? | 06:39 |
| prower | MenZa: Glad I could provide you with some "entertainment." | 06:39 |
| prower | tsimpson: Why don't you ask your nazi friend DBO, who apparently is getting his screen capturing software ready to catch my "crazy," being the immature little fuck that he is | 06:40 |
| DBO | hes nuts | 06:41 |
| DBO | I love him | 06:41 |
| DBO | can we keep him? | 06:41 |
| tsimpson | you know what, I don't think I'm going to get anywhere with you prower, so I'll point you to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/AppealProcess | 06:41 |
| tsimpson | if you have an issue with an op(s), there are instructions tere | 06:41 |
| tsimpson | *there | 06:41 |
| prower | tsimpson: You know what? DBO said there was a process too. And that process was him making fun of me behind my back. | 06:41 |
| prower | tsimpson: Fuck your process. | 06:42 |
| tsimpson | use it or don't | 06:42 |
| tsimpson | resolve this or don't | 06:42 |
| DBO | hes not banned tsimpson, just so you know | 06:42 |
| DBO | hes just been swearing at me in PM for about 30 minutes | 06:42 |
| prower | You're all just as fucking bad as ikonia, a bunch of immature little shits with more power than you deserve. You go ahead and "keep" what you're got DBO, you fucking twat. Hope you had fun. | 06:42 |
| tsimpson | prower: you clearly aren't in a mood to discuss anything | 06:42 |
| DBO | I got logs if you wanna read, they are hilarious | 06:42 |
| MenZa | I don't know whether to laugh or cry. | 06:43 |
| DBO | its funny | 06:43 |
| * tsimpson just gives up and waits for his alien overloads to arrive | 06:43 | |
| Tm_T | love is in the air | 06:43 |
| DBO | that man is the single handedly craziest person I ever met | 06:44 |
| MenZa | I'm... inclined to agree | 06:44 |
| * MenZa shakes head disbelievingly | 06:44 | |
| MenZa | See, the thing is DBO, you must have made an impact on him | 06:44 |
| MenZa | He went through, checked the links, found the IRC logs to -ops (I assume), and he's most likely still reading along. | 06:45 |
| DBO | well his original anger was I didn't ban the girl who screamed retards in #ubuntu and instead just told her to tone it down | 06:45 |
| DBO | yeah I figured he would see it | 06:45 |
| DBO | didn't *care* | 06:45 |
| DBO | i only have to put up with him for so long before hes just wasting my time and I deserve some fun out of it :P | 06:46 |
| MenZa | All I'm saying is that you must've made an impact on him that way round | 06:46 |
| DBO | well his anger level is actually only slightly elevated from when I first started talking to him | 06:46 |
| DBO | hes been wound up all night | 06:47 |
| * MenZa nods | 06:47 | |
| * wgrant sighs. | 06:47 | |
| ubottu | prower called the ops in #ubuntu () | 06:55 |
| MenZa | And that, ladies and gentlemen | 06:56 |
| MenZa | Is the action of a desperate man. | 06:56 |
| DBO | well thats that | 06:56 |
| MenZa | Trolls: 0, Ubuntu: 1 | 06:56 |
| * MenZa shakes DBO's hand. | 06:56 | |
| DBO | good game | 06:56 |
| MenZa | Well played, good sir. | 06:57 |
| * tsimpson stares at jussi01___ in #k and blinks several times | 06:57 | |
| prower | Ahh, well that was fun, I must say. :> Thanks a load. | 07:18 |
| prower | Flannel: You can feel free to keep that ban as long as you'd like, I've had my fun with DBO and I have several other users sitting in channel. No one better than an Ubuntu op as a trolling victim -- haven't found a better target yet! | 07:19 |
| Flannel | prower: If there's nothing else we can do for you at the moment, please don't idle here. Thanks. | 07:21 |
| prower | Flannel: Oh no, DBO provided all the entertainment that we needed and your ban hasn't even gotten rid of me. Besides, I'm not idling, I'm having a chat. | 07:21 |
| tsimpson | prower: you have been told what to do if you have an issue with an operator, it's up to you to choose to do that or not | 07:21 |
| prower | tsimpson: Ahh, I don't have any real issue with any operator. :> Made a good act of it though, no? | 07:22 |
| tsimpson | if you have no issue, then you have no business here | 07:22 |
| prower | tsimpson: Hmm...well, what issues are covered here? | 07:22 |
| tsimpson | This channel is for operator/abuse questions in the IRC Team domain only | 07:23 |
| tsimpson | from /topic | 07:23 |
| prower | tsimpson: Ahh, that must have scrolled by too quickly for me, sorry. I was too busy laughing myself shitless at DBO. I do have an actual question along those lines, however. | 07:24 |
| elky | prower, this is not a place to spectate or obtain entertainment from. | 07:24 |
| prower | elky: Well it was a place that DBO thought he could get entertainment from me, it's a shame for him that he was the one being strung along but I can't account for his gullibility. :> | 07:25 |
| elky | prower, you do not appear to have any need to be in this channel. | 07:25 |
| prower | tsimpson: In either case, my question -- why aren't the IRC team members also a part of the council? I think that they ought to have more of a say in the process, there seems to be a disconnect between the two. | 07:25 |
| tsimpson | prower: members of the IRC Council are members of the IRC operators team | 07:26 |
| prower | tsimpson: Ahh, okay -- so it's the reverse of how I was picturing it then, the IRC council members have an administrative roll as well? | 07:27 |
| tsimpson | if you want to talk to the council the details are in the link I gave you earlier | 07:27 |
| prower | tsimpson: I don't have any need to speak to the council, as I said I don't have any issue with any particular operator. | 07:27 |
| tsimpson | the IRC Council are the group responsible for the IRC operators team | 07:27 |
| prower | tsimpson: I see...and there's a "pool" of people that the council would consider as potential operators I suppose, or does it work differently than that? | 07:28 |
| prower | (No, I don't want to be one, if that's what you're thinking :P For one I'd never have a chance, for another you guys fall for it way, way too easily, I wouldn't want to be associated with you to be honest) | 07:29 |
| tsimpson | the council pick operators as the need arises from the active members in the channel(s) | 07:29 |
| elky | prower, operators are selected from active, helpful people who contribute on IRC politely and who show a capacity to mediate situations. | 07:29 |
| prower | elky: Well that certainly makes sense, you want people who are level-headed and involved in the community to manage said community. Same way that a lot of the message boards I've moderated on have worked. :> | 07:30 |
| prower | tsimpson: I'd imagine that sometimes results in bad choices though? Accidentally of course...some people who are active and then get a +o probably don't always use it the way they should | 07:32 |
| prower | tsimpson: But there's not really a better way to select people, when you think about it | 07:32 |
| tsimpson | not often | 07:32 |
| prower | MenZa: Congrats by the way, you weren't fooled for even half of a second. :> | 07:33 |
| elky | prower, i'm failing to understand what you're trying to achieve here. | 07:33 |
| prower | tsimpson: Oh, I wouldn't think so...I've been coming here for years, can't remember a time in recent memory where an op that was brought on had to be removed for those reasons | 07:33 |
| elky | prower, then you're not as in touch as you think you are. | 07:34 |
| prower | elky: Well I'm not an "insider" as you would say, so obviously I'm not privy to every detail of what happens on the administrative side, graned | 07:34 |
| prower | elky: In either case I'm not trying to achieve anything, I'm asking questions about the IRC council because I'm genuinely curious. :> Already "achieved" what I wanted with DBO. | 07:35 |
| prower | (Thanks DBO) | 07:35 |
| elky | prower, so what exactly are you aiming to achieve here now. | 07:35 |
| Amaranth | elky: He wants to screw with you too | 07:35 |
| prower | elky: I believe I just stated that | 07:35 |
| prower | Amaranth: No, if I was screwing with somebody it'd be much more obvious, and he wouldn't fall for it :> Too smart for that | 07:35 |
| prower | I'm just curious about how people got to be ops in the first place, that's all, the association with Canonical, etc. | 07:36 |
| tsimpson | there is detail about the council at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/IrcCouncil | 07:36 |
| tsimpson | ooh, too late | 07:36 |
| * MenZa raises eyebrow | 07:37 | |
| elky | oh a PM. one that does not prompt a reply, so none shall be given. | 07:38 |
| elky | more baiting PMs that do not actually require responses. | 07:40 |
| * MenZa knows them | 07:41 | |
| elky | and a threat to ban evade. tasty. | 07:42 |
| elky | <prower> I will be coming back to #ubuntu though, you can't throw the banhammer down when you don't know which account is which, no? :> Have a good one! | 07:43 |
| wgrant | They never seem to realise the consequences of that... | 07:43 |
| * tsimpson still waits for the alien overlords to arrive | 07:43 | |
| elky | wgrant, well that's their sense of self-importance and misplaced admiration for their own genius. | 07:44 |
| * MenZa is reminded of the old my-dad-can-beat-up-your-dad, sips. | 07:45 | |
| DBO | hes been using the same IP for over a year, he also uses the name orochi, his name is John Walsh, email address prower2000@gmail.com, ip 72.139.80.239 | 07:49 |
| DBO | that should about cover any identifying information | 07:49 |
| elky | ah, that email address is familiar. | 07:50 |
| DBO | you really think he would use a proxy | 07:50 |
| MenZa | DBO is a professional stalker. | 07:51 |
| DBO | eh it only took a couple googles and some email headers | 07:51 |
| MenZa | which is what professional stalkers do these days | 07:51 |
| elky | also goes by blue fox and uses both hotmail and yahoo addresses for prower2000 | 07:51 |
| MenZa | *eyeballs* | 07:51 |
| DBO | yep | 07:52 |
| elky | DBO, is he also blind melon or something like that? | 07:54 |
| DBO | maybe | 07:54 |
| DBO | also is prower2000@crosswinds.net | 07:55 |
| elky | if so, he definately knows about the IRC Council. | 07:55 |
| DBO | elky, his name was attached tosomething like blind|melon | 07:55 |
| elky | the logs of this channel should have traces of him from late july through to early august. | 07:56 |
| MenZa | interesting | 07:58 |
| * jussi01 sighs... | 07:59 | |
| DBO | you okay jussi01? | 07:59 |
| jussi01 | DBO: just one of those days. what can go wrong will go wrong :( | 07:59 |
| DBO | anything we can help you with? | 08:00 |
| elky | jussi01, welcome to my week! | 08:00 |
| DBO | look, I found his pubkey! :P http://wwwkeys.ch.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xEBC12E8E | 08:01 |
| jussi01 | nah, Ive got to kick some kubuntu dev's butts though.... who ever didnt put the windows usb creator, or a tleast a link to it, on the karmic cd should be shot. | 08:01 |
| tsimpson | ok, can we stop doing that now? | 08:01 |
| DBO | from http://wwwkeys.ch.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=index&search=crosswinds | 08:01 |
| DBO | yeah | 08:01 |
| DBO | sorry | 08:01 |
| tsimpson | jussi01: it's on the netbook CD, where it belongs ;) | 08:01 |
| jussi01 | tsimpson: it needs to be at least linked from the normal cd. | 08:02 |
| * MenZa hugs jussi01 | 08:04 | |
| jussi01 | Guys, I just read backlog. Can you please remember this is a public channel, and while he may have been angry and sounding a bit nuts, we still have a duty to be professional and not "troll" the trolls. Please be careful what you say and do, we are the ubuntu ops, lets behave like ops. | 08:15 |
| MenZa | jussi01: in hindsight, that was slightly stupid. I apologise for my part in it, even though I *did* not feel that it was unfair in anyway | 08:23 |
| MenZa | from a more principled point of view though, that wasn't exactly the correct conduct | 08:23 |
| MenZa | if anything, it was unfair to the rest of the community, but not to him | 08:24 |
| MenZa | that's my only regret. | 08:24 |
| tsimpson | we have a responsibility to be examples to other users, and we can't expect others to follow the CoC and guidelines if we don't ourselfs | 08:26 |
| MenZa | and that's the part I'm not too happy about having bordered | 08:26 |
| ubottu | goose called the ops in #ubuntu () | 08:31 |
| MenZa | boxxy again?! | 08:32 |
| bazhang | in PM | 08:33 |
| MenZa | [2009-11-06 08:33:33 UTC] <boxxy> GAYNIGGERS FROM OUTERSPACE | 08:33 |
| MenZa | in a query | 08:33 |
| * MenZa lawds. | 08:33 | |
| * MenZa invokes soft-ignore. | 08:34 | |
| bazhang | now in #freenode | 08:36 |
| bazhang | unresponsive in PM (outside of profanity). sorry can't hang around longer, work calls. | 08:38 |
| dholbach | good morning | 08:44 |
| tsimpson | I want proof of that ;) | 08:44 |
| MenZa | morning dholbach | 08:51 |
| dholbach | hi MenZa | 08:51 |
| jpds | morning dholbach. | 10:05 |
| dholbach | hi jpds | 10:06 |
| jussi01 | socks4anon: is there something we can help you with? | 10:06 |
| jussi01 | hallo dholbach :) | 10:06 |
| dholbach | hi jussi01 | 10:06 |
| jussi01 | socks4anon: Ok, Im going to remove you from the channel as you are non responsive, however you are welcome to drop back when you are active to discuss your issue. | 10:09 |
| jpds | jussi01: is idle : 0 days 7 hours 52 mins 20 secs | 10:13 |
| jussi01 | jpds: huh? | 10:13 |
| jpds | jussi01: If you /whois him. ;) | 10:14 |
| jussi01 | mhm. Im just trying to get why you told me this. ? | 10:15 |
| MenZa | w7 60 | 10:16 |
| MenZa | woop | 10:16 |
| MenZa | +s | 10:16 |
| Pici | Well those were some interesting hilights | 12:58 |
| ubottu | In ubottu, Pici said: no ping is <reply> Here I am, brain the size of a planet and you ask me to respond to a ping? How depressing. | 13:55 |
| Pici | argh | 13:55 |
| Pici | @login | 13:56 |
| ubottu | The operation succeeded. | 13:56 |
| elky | lol | 14:19 |
| topyli | hmmm iirc they don't call that planet the size of ubottu's brain a planet anymore :( | 14:21 |
| ikonia | that's no mooon........ | 14:50 |
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| Tm_T | hi all, jussi01 asked me to say that he won't have internet connection in whole weekend | 16:39 |
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| ubottu | In ubottu, Darkedge said: lego is something to play with :) | 20:14 |
| Pici | !away > _Spider_ | 20:55 |
| Seeker` | 2/whowas mesula | 21:12 |
| niko | oh, see http://packages.ubunut.com/ | 22:39 |
| tsimpson | hmm? | 22:55 |
| tsimpson | I need someone with UbuntuIrcCouncil access, anyone about? | 23:42 |
| Amaranth | Isn't there a trigger to ping the council? | 23:43 |
| tsimpson | !search council | 23:43 |
| ubottu | Found: mako, irccouncil, ircc | 23:43 |
| bazhang | yeah by using their nicks | 23:44 |
| tsimpson | ooh, I just remembered they have a channel now | 23:44 |
| tsimpson | except it's very empty | 23:45 |
| tsimpson | nalioth: are you about? | 23:46 |
| nalioth | tsimpson: hi | 23:50 |
| tsimpson | nalioth: mind if I /msg you? | 23:50 |
| nalioth | tsimpson: any time | 23:50 |
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