[00:06] <MenZa> For the record, I poked AS in a query not to do that... whatever 'that' is.
[00:22] <MenZa> attitude problems in #ubuntu
[00:27] <Flannel> I can't tell if lizzy would get better support in another channel
[00:27] <MenZa> I can't see what the whole issue is about
[00:28] <Flannel> She needs help connecting to some database? or something? and is trying to figure out if she needs a tunnel (ssh tunnel?)
[00:28]  * MenZa shrugs
[01:33] <DBO> final version of my hilarious conversation with prower, hes a terrible troll and I was BORED
[01:33] <DBO> http://paste2.org/p/501579
[01:33] <MenZa> THankyaverymach.
[01:33] <MenZa> @ Flannel
[01:34] <elkbuntu> speaking people!
[01:35] <elky> oh deary
[01:35] <DBO> we cant speak!
[01:35] <DBO> clones
[01:35] <DBO> elkbuntu lacks the +v
[01:35] <DBO> shes the fake
[01:35] <elky> pwnt.
[01:35] <DBO> haha
[01:35] <nalioth> yes, fake.
[01:36] <DBO> nalioth, I kindly request you review my actions in the log I pasted
[01:36] <DBO> if you find I was out of line I request further you remove my status as operator :)
[01:36] <MenZa> Flannel: he's back
[01:36] <Flannel> mirc-drifter: how can we help you?
[01:39] <nalioth> DBO: did you want something special for that waste of my eyesight?
[01:39] <DBO> no, I was just keeping my word
[01:40] <DBO> i figured I would get a smart ass response :P
[01:41] <MenZa> nalioth: Actually, I found it quite entertaining. And DBO *is* only acting as he said in the /query.
[01:41] <MenZa> As much as it is baiting, and trolling a troll, I do believe he was put in his place.
[01:44] <Flannel> mirc-drifter: Is there anything we can help you with today?
[01:45] <nalioth> mirc-drifter: welcome to #ubuntu-ops, can we be of service?  If not, please respect our /topic.
[01:45] <nalioth> hi LjL
[01:45] <LjL> hi nal
[01:45] <LjL> shall i wait in the queue?
[01:46] <nalioth> LjL: the queue to be shown the door? whyever would you want to be in that one?  :)
[01:46] <LjL> good point :P
[01:46] <MenZa> hehehe
[01:46] <LjL> ok, i just wanted to inform you what "papait" in #ubuntu-offtopic has been abusive to me in private, in case it happens with someone else
[01:47] <LjL> basically, just after joining -ot and larting me, i started getting NOTICEs from him
[01:47] <LjL> 16 of them to be exact
[01:47] <LjL> which looked like [02:22:42] [Notice] -papait- you are a nice JOKER
[01:47] <nalioth> LjL: ok, thanks for the info
[01:47] <LjL> it might be a very old acquaintance i banned ages ago, who used to behave like that, i'm not really sure
[01:48] <LjL> bye
[01:55] <LjL> so i *should* know him?
[01:56] <LjL> "avash" didn't quite ring a bell, aside from being in the logs a couple of times...
[01:56] <LjL> but i haven't looked in the old logs.
[01:58] <LjL> oh, meh, i just didn't look hard enough in the new ones. i'll just grab the popcorn then
[04:37] <bazhang> prower seems to still be at it
[04:38] <wgrant> Oh, prower is known?
[04:38] <bazhang> check the paste from DBO above wgrant
[04:38] <DBO> is he?
[04:38] <wgrant> bazhang: I read that earlier, but didn't make the connection. Oops.
[04:38] <DBO> where is he?
[04:38] <wgrant> #u
[04:39] <bazhang> #ubuntu DBO
[04:40] <DBO> okay
[04:40] <DBO> I will watch him
[04:40] <DBO> thank you
[06:07] <TrueSongMedia> Hey guys... I can't join #ubuntu and the test in #ubuntu-read-topic fails
[06:07] <TrueSongMedia> any ideas?
[06:11] <elky> i have an idea. wait more than 2 minutes.
[06:11] <mneptok> jinx!
[06:12] <TrueSongMedia> So what's the deal with the #ubuntu-read-topic junk?
[06:12] <mneptok> TrueSongMedia: you were disconnected when someone ran a know exploit.
[06:12] <TrueSongMedia> What happened?
[06:12] <mneptok> *known
[06:12] <TrueSongMedia> Ahh
[06:12] <TrueSongMedia> fun :/
[06:12] <mneptok> hence, you are asked to correct the problem before using #ubuntu again
[06:12] <TrueSongMedia> makes sense
[06:12] <TrueSongMedia> Did you report the person to the network?
[06:13] <elky> TrueSongMedia, so you'll correct the problem and come back to us on port 8001 or whatever?
[06:13] <TrueSongMedia> Oh, it's already fixed. I'm in #ubuntu now. I was just curious why it was needed :)
[06:14] <TrueSongMedia> But did you report the exploiter to an 0p3r so he/she/it can be banned?
[06:14] <elky> yes.
[06:14] <TrueSongMedia> Cool :)
[06:14] <TrueSongMedia> Well, not cool that it's needed, but cool that it's taken care of
[06:21] <DBO> nalioth, you here?
[06:24] <DBO> hey do we have any freenode staffers here?
[06:39] <prower> So, #ubuntu-ops are in the business of "trolling trolls" now, are they? Interesting stuff. Does the IRC council provide special training on that, or are you just naturally a bunch of assholes to begin with?
[06:39] <tsimpson> erm, what are you on about exactly?
[06:39] <prower> MenZa: Glad I could provide you with some "entertainment."
[06:40] <prower> tsimpson: Why don't you ask your nazi friend DBO, who apparently is getting his screen capturing software ready to catch my "crazy," being the immature little fuck that he is
[06:41] <DBO> hes nuts
[06:41] <DBO> I love him
[06:41] <DBO> can we keep him?
[06:41] <tsimpson> you know what, I don't think I'm going to get anywhere with you prower, so I'll point you to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/AppealProcess
[06:41] <tsimpson> if you have an issue with an op(s), there are instructions tere
[06:41] <tsimpson> *there
[06:41] <prower> tsimpson: You know what? DBO said there was a process too. And that process was him making fun of me behind my back.
[06:42] <prower> tsimpson: Fuck your process.
[06:42] <tsimpson> use it or don't
[06:42] <tsimpson> resolve this or don't
[06:42] <DBO> hes not banned tsimpson, just so you know
[06:42] <DBO> hes just been swearing at me in PM for about 30 minutes
[06:42] <prower> You're all just as fucking bad as ikonia, a bunch of immature little shits with more power than you deserve. You go ahead and "keep" what you're got DBO, you fucking twat. Hope you had fun.
[06:42] <tsimpson> prower: you clearly aren't in a mood to discuss anything
[06:42] <DBO> I got logs if you wanna read, they are hilarious
[06:43] <MenZa> I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
[06:43] <DBO> its funny
[06:43]  * tsimpson just gives up and waits for his alien overloads to arrive
[06:43] <Tm_T> love is in the air
[06:44] <DBO> that man is the single handedly craziest person I ever met
[06:44] <MenZa> I'm... inclined to agree
[06:44]  * MenZa shakes head disbelievingly
[06:44] <MenZa> See, the thing is DBO, you must have made an impact on him
[06:45] <MenZa> He went through, checked the links, found the IRC logs to -ops (I assume), and he's most likely still reading along.
[06:45] <DBO> well his original anger was I didn't ban the girl who screamed retards in #ubuntu and instead just told her to tone it down
[06:45] <DBO> yeah I figured he would see it
[06:45] <DBO> didn't *care*
[06:46] <DBO> i only have to put up with him for so long before hes just wasting my time and I deserve some fun out of it :P
[06:46] <MenZa> All I'm saying is that you must've made an impact on him that way round
[06:46] <DBO> well his anger level is actually only slightly elevated from when I first started talking to him
[06:47] <DBO> hes been wound up all night
[06:47]  * MenZa nods
[06:47]  * wgrant sighs.
[06:56] <MenZa> And that, ladies and gentlemen
[06:56] <MenZa> Is the action of a desperate man.
[06:56] <DBO> well thats that
[06:56] <MenZa> Trolls: 0, Ubuntu: 1
[06:56]  * MenZa shakes DBO's hand.
[06:56] <DBO> good game
[06:57] <MenZa> Well played, good sir.
[06:57]  * tsimpson stares at jussi01___ in #k and blinks several times
[07:18] <prower> Ahh, well that was fun, I must say. :> Thanks a load.
[07:19] <prower> Flannel: You can feel free to keep that ban as long as you'd like, I've had my fun with DBO and I have several other users sitting in channel. No one better than an Ubuntu op as a trolling victim -- haven't found a better target yet!
[07:21] <Flannel> prower: If there's nothing else we can do for you at the moment, please don't idle here.  Thanks.
[07:21] <prower> Flannel: Oh no, DBO provided all the entertainment that we needed and your ban hasn't even gotten rid of me. Besides, I'm not idling, I'm having a chat.
[07:21] <tsimpson> prower: you have been told what to do if you have an issue with an operator, it's up to you to choose to do that or not
[07:22] <prower> tsimpson: Ahh, I don't have any real issue with any operator. :> Made a good act of it though, no?
[07:22] <tsimpson> if you have no issue, then you have no business here
[07:22] <prower> tsimpson: Hmm...well, what issues are covered here?
[07:23] <tsimpson> This channel is for operator/abuse questions in the IRC Team domain only
[07:23] <tsimpson> from /topic
[07:24] <prower> tsimpson: Ahh, that must have scrolled by too quickly for me, sorry. I was too busy laughing myself shitless at DBO. I do have an actual question along those lines, however.
[07:24] <elky> prower, this is not a place to spectate or obtain entertainment from.
[07:25] <prower> elky: Well it was a place that DBO thought he could get entertainment from me, it's a shame for him that he was the one being strung along but I can't account for his gullibility. :>
[07:25] <elky> prower, you do not appear to have any need to be in this channel.
[07:25] <prower> tsimpson: In either case, my question -- why aren't the IRC team members also a part of the council? I think that they ought to have more of a say in the process, there seems to be a disconnect between the two.
[07:26] <tsimpson> prower: members of the IRC Council are members of the IRC operators team
[07:27] <prower> tsimpson: Ahh, okay -- so it's the reverse of how I was picturing it then, the IRC council members have an administrative roll as well?
[07:27] <tsimpson> if you want to talk to the council the details are in the link I gave you earlier
[07:27] <prower> tsimpson: I don't have any need to speak to the council, as I said I don't have any issue with any particular operator.
[07:27] <tsimpson> the IRC Council are the group responsible for the IRC operators team
[07:28] <prower> tsimpson: I see...and there's a "pool" of people that the council would consider as potential operators I suppose, or does it work differently than that?
[07:29] <prower> (No, I don't want to be one, if that's what you're thinking :P For one I'd never have a chance, for another you guys fall for it way, way too easily, I wouldn't want to be associated with you to be honest)
[07:29] <tsimpson> the council pick operators as the need arises from the active members in the channel(s)
[07:29] <elky> prower, operators are selected from active, helpful people who contribute on IRC politely and who show a capacity to mediate situations.
[07:30] <prower> elky: Well that certainly makes sense, you want people who are level-headed and involved in the community to manage said community. Same way that a lot of the message boards I've moderated on have worked. :>
[07:32] <prower> tsimpson: I'd imagine that sometimes results in bad choices though? Accidentally of course...some people who are active and then get a +o probably don't always use it the way they should
[07:32] <prower> tsimpson: But there's not really a better way to select people, when you think about it
[07:32] <tsimpson> not often
[07:33] <prower> MenZa: Congrats by the way, you weren't fooled for even half of a second. :>
[07:33] <elky> prower, i'm failing to understand what you're trying to achieve here.
[07:33] <prower> tsimpson: Oh, I wouldn't think so...I've been coming here for years, can't remember a time in recent memory where an op that was brought on had to be removed for those reasons
[07:34] <elky> prower, then you're not as in touch as you think you are.
[07:34] <prower> elky: Well I'm not an "insider" as you would say, so obviously I'm not privy to every detail of what happens on the administrative side, graned
[07:35] <prower> elky: In either case I'm not trying to achieve anything, I'm asking questions about the IRC council because I'm genuinely curious. :> Already "achieved" what I wanted with DBO.
[07:35] <prower> (Thanks DBO)
[07:35] <elky> prower, so what exactly are you aiming to achieve here now.
[07:35] <Amaranth> elky: He wants to screw with you too
[07:35] <prower> elky: I believe I just stated that
[07:35] <prower> Amaranth: No, if I was screwing with somebody it'd be much more obvious, and he wouldn't fall for it :> Too smart for that
[07:36] <prower> I'm just curious about how people got to be ops in the first place, that's all, the association with Canonical, etc.
[07:36] <tsimpson> there is detail about the council at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/IrcCouncil
[07:36] <tsimpson> ooh, too late
[07:37]  * MenZa raises eyebrow
[07:38] <elky> oh a PM. one that does not prompt a reply, so none shall be given.
[07:40] <elky> more baiting PMs that do not actually require responses.
[07:41]  * MenZa knows them
[07:42] <elky> and a threat to ban evade. tasty.
 I will be coming back to #ubuntu though, you can't throw the banhammer down when you don't know which account is which, no? :> Have a good one!
[07:43] <wgrant> They never seem to realise the consequences of that...
[07:43]  * tsimpson still waits for the alien overlords to arrive
[07:44] <elky> wgrant, well that's their sense of self-importance and misplaced admiration for their own genius.
[07:45]  * MenZa is reminded of the old my-dad-can-beat-up-your-dad, sips.
[07:49] <DBO> hes been using the same IP for over a year, he also uses the name orochi, his name is John Walsh, email address prower2000@gmail.com, ip 72.139.80.239
[07:49] <DBO> that should about cover any identifying information
[07:50] <elky> ah, that email address is familiar.
[07:50] <DBO> you really think he would use a proxy
[07:51] <MenZa> DBO is a professional stalker.
[07:51] <DBO> eh it only took a couple googles and some email headers
[07:51] <MenZa> which is what professional stalkers do these days
[07:51] <elky> also goes by blue fox and uses both hotmail and yahoo addresses for prower2000
[07:51] <MenZa> *eyeballs*
[07:52] <DBO> yep
[07:54] <elky> DBO, is he also blind melon or something like that?
[07:54] <DBO> maybe
[07:55] <DBO> also is prower2000@crosswinds.net
[07:55] <elky> if so, he definately knows about the IRC Council.
[07:55] <DBO> elky, his name was attached tosomething like blind|melon
[07:56] <elky> the logs of this channel should have traces of him from late july through to early august.
[07:58] <MenZa> interesting
[07:59]  * jussi01 sighs...
[07:59] <DBO> you okay jussi01?
[07:59] <jussi01> DBO: just one of those days. what can go wrong will go wrong :(
[08:00] <DBO> anything we can help you with?
[08:00] <elky> jussi01, welcome to my week!
[08:01] <DBO> look, I found his pubkey! :P http://wwwkeys.ch.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xEBC12E8E
[08:01] <jussi01> nah, Ive got to kick some kubuntu dev's butts though.... who ever didnt put the windows usb creator, or a tleast a link to it, on the karmic cd should be shot.
[08:01] <tsimpson> ok, can we stop doing that now?
[08:01] <DBO> from http://wwwkeys.ch.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=index&search=crosswinds
[08:01] <DBO> yeah
[08:01] <DBO> sorry
[08:01] <tsimpson> jussi01: it's on the netbook CD, where it belongs ;)
[08:02] <jussi01> tsimpson: it needs to be at least linked from the normal cd.
[08:04]  * MenZa hugs jussi01 
[08:15] <jussi01> Guys, I just read backlog. Can you please remember this is a public channel, and while he may have been angry and sounding a bit nuts, we still have a duty to be professional and not "troll" the trolls. Please be careful what you say and do, we are the ubuntu ops, lets behave like ops.
[08:23] <MenZa> jussi01: in hindsight, that was slightly stupid. I apologise for my part in it, even though I *did* not feel that it was unfair in anyway
[08:23] <MenZa> from a more principled point of view though, that wasn't exactly the correct conduct
[08:24] <MenZa> if anything, it was unfair to the rest of the community, but not to him
[08:24] <MenZa> that's my only regret.
[08:26] <tsimpson> we have a responsibility to be examples to other users, and we can't expect others to follow the CoC and guidelines if we don't ourselfs
[08:26] <MenZa> and that's the part I'm not too happy about having bordered
[08:32] <MenZa> boxxy again?!
[08:33] <bazhang> in PM
[08:33] <MenZa> [2009-11-06 08:33:33 UTC]  <boxxy> GAYNIGGERS FROM OUTERSPACE
[08:33] <MenZa> in a query
[08:33]  * MenZa lawds.
[08:34]  * MenZa invokes soft-ignore.
[08:36] <bazhang> now in #freenode
[08:38] <bazhang> unresponsive in PM (outside of profanity). sorry can't hang around longer, work calls.
[08:44] <dholbach> good morning
[08:44] <tsimpson> I want proof of that ;)
[08:51] <MenZa> morning dholbach
[08:51] <dholbach> hi MenZa
[10:05] <jpds> morning dholbach.
[10:06] <dholbach> hi jpds
[10:06] <jussi01> socks4anon: is there something we can help you with?
[10:06] <jussi01> hallo dholbach :)
[10:06] <dholbach> hi jussi01
[10:09] <jussi01> socks4anon: Ok, Im going to remove you from the channel as you are non responsive, however you are welcome to drop back when you are active to discuss your issue.
[10:13] <jpds> jussi01: is idle : 0 days 7 hours 52 mins 20 secs
[10:13] <jussi01> jpds: huh?
[10:14] <jpds> jussi01: If you /whois him. ;)
[10:15] <jussi01> mhm. Im just trying to get why you told me this. ?
[10:16] <MenZa> w7 60
[10:16] <MenZa> woop
[10:16] <MenZa> +s
[12:58] <Pici> Well those were some interesting hilights
[13:55] <Pici> argh
[13:56] <Pici> @login
[14:19] <elky> lol
[14:21] <topyli> hmmm iirc they don't call that planet the size of ubottu's brain a planet anymore :(
[14:50] <ikonia> that's no mooon........
[16:39] <Tm_T> hi all, jussi01 asked me to say that he won't have internet connection in whole weekend
[20:55] <Pici> !away > _Spider_
[21:12] <Seeker`> 2/whowas mesula
[22:39] <niko> oh, see http://packages.ubunut.com/
[22:55] <tsimpson> hmm?
[23:42] <tsimpson> I need someone with UbuntuIrcCouncil access, anyone about?
[23:43] <Amaranth> Isn't there a trigger to ping the council?
[23:43] <tsimpson> !search council
[23:44] <bazhang> yeah by using their nicks
[23:44] <tsimpson> ooh, I just remembered they have a channel now
[23:45] <tsimpson> except it's very empty
[23:46] <tsimpson> nalioth: are you about?
[23:50] <nalioth> tsimpson: hi
[23:50] <tsimpson> nalioth: mind if I /msg you?
[23:50] <nalioth> tsimpson: any time