[00:02] <ninnypants> also these are the last couple entries from my mail.log file Nov  5 23:59:29 Directories postfix/smtpd[24093]: warning: problem talking to service rewrite: Success
[00:02] <ninnypants> Nov  5 23:59:29 Directories postfix/master[6788]: warning: process /usr/lib/postfix/trivial-rewrite pid 24122 exit status 1
[00:02] <ninnypants> Nov  5 23:59:29 Directories postfix/master[6788]: warning: /usr/lib/postfix/trivial-rewrite: bad command startup -- throttling
[00:03] <ninnypants> sorry thought I'd copied the link http://pastebin.org/51273
[00:07] <jmedina> and what about postfix check?
[00:09] <ninnypants> it gives me this postfix: fatal: /etc/postfix/main.cf, line 49: missing '=' after attribute name: "dovecot unix - n n - - pipe flags=DRhu user=vmail argv=/usr/lib/dovecot/deliver -f ${sender} -d ${recipient}"
[00:10] <ninnypants> unless I format it like this: dovecot=unix - n n - - pipe flags=DRhu user=vmail argv=/usr/lib/dovecot/deliver -f ${sender} -d ${recipient}
[00:10] <ninnypants> which is incorrect
[00:12] <JJman> i need to reinstall a program (mysql)  whats the best way to remove & reinstall should i do a reinstall or remove or purge or autoremove?
[00:14] <Reepicheep> JJman: are you interested in starting over.. configs and all?
[00:16] <JJman> Reepicheep: yea thats fine cause i have to reinstall phpmyadmin afterwards.
[00:18] <Reepicheep> JJman: then you may as well just go ahead and purge it .. then if you want to get rid of the data make sure /var/lib/mysql and /var/lib/mysql-cluster are both removed or moved out of the way
[00:19] <JJman> will the data be overwritten if there are changes in the install to user?  only user added/changed is root i changed its name
[00:20] <Reepicheep> JJman: are you refering to the data in the database?
[00:20] <JJman> yar.
[00:20] <jmedina> ninnypants: what ubuntu version?
[00:20] <JJman> since i renamed the 'root' user
[00:21] <ninnypants> 8.4
[00:21] <Reepicheep> JJman: If you want to preserve that you better back that up first
[00:21] <jmedina> I recommend migrato jaunty or karmic and install postfix-dovecot
[00:21] <jmedina> it is preconfigured :)
[00:21] <Reepicheep> JJman: root as in mysql root user, correct?
[00:21] <JJman> yep
[00:22] <JJman> i can recreate it its no biggie.  just the 1 user
[00:22] <ninnypants> jmedina: can't not my server
[00:22] <Reepicheep> well when you install mysql-server it will create a root user for that mysql install
[00:23] <JJman> I purged both client & server but i still can run mysql from cmd.  although it won't connect. as there's a socket error
[00:23] <Reepicheep> JJman: I'm curriuos why you renamed the mysql 'root' user?
[00:23] <JJman> so it obviously didn't purge
[00:23] <JJman> errr because everyoen know's 'root'  so its obviously more secure to rename it
[00:24] <JJman> rule #1 rename your root
[00:24] <JJman> ;-)
[00:24] <Reepicheep> oh.. I see.. I useually just make it so only localhost can login as root.. and also set a root password
[00:25] <JJman> ok now mysql is gone.  i had 2 versions of the client installed
[00:25] <Gorlist> does mytop come standard with mysql?
[00:25] <Reepicheep> JJman: you may also see mysql-common installed
[00:26] <JJman> this is the problem i'm having i want mysql 5.1 installed but when i go to install phpmyadmin it uninstall's 5.1 and installs 5.0
[00:26] <JJman> its extremely annoying
[00:26] <JJman> how can i search what mysql* related packages are installed
[00:27] <jmedina> dpkg -l
[00:28] <Reepicheep> JJman: you may want to install phpmyadmin from source instead of the package then
[00:28] <Reepicheep> it's pretty straight forward to setup
[00:29] <JJman> ok .   whats this dpkg -l showing me.  thats not stuff thats only installed, right.  cause its showing the packages i just purged
[00:30] <Reepicheep> JJman: do an "aptitude show <package-name>" on one of the questionable packages, see if it claims to be installed there
[00:33] <Reepicheep> JJman: what does the like in "dpkg -l" start with?
[00:33] <JJman> i think the problem i'm having with phpmyadmin has to do with the version conflict in php5-mysql  that appears to be using an older version
[00:34] <JJman> not sure what u mean
[00:35] <Reepicheep> when you do a "dpkg -l" and it displays say the package "mysql-server" does the line stat with "ii" or something different
[00:37] <Reepicheep> if it start with a "u" it is not installed
[00:38] <Reepicheep> JJman: "aptitude show mysql-server | grep State" may be handy also
[00:40] <JJman> yea i see ii
[00:40] <JJman> for most things except for mysql 5.1  has rc in front
[00:40] <JJman> 5.0 says ii
[00:42] <Reepicheep> JJman: "ii" => Desired: installed ; Status: Installed
[00:43] <JJman> & rc
[00:43] <geoffmcc> maybe its a dumb question or maybe its just so the user can have more customization over ubuntu but i recently started using ubuntu server to host my own webpage. one thing i noticed is that there is no or seems to be no firewall by default, why is this?
[00:43] <JJman> there's apparmor
[00:44] <JJman> not sure thats the same
[00:44] <jmedina> a Firewall wont protect you agains http attacks
[00:44] <jmedina> at least not a IP firewall
[00:44] <Reepicheep> JJman: "rc" => Desired: Remove ; Status: Config-files
[00:44] <geoffmcc> i just figured a firewall would normally be desired
[00:45] <JJman> mod_security is supposed to help i think in that regard
[00:45] <Reepicheep> JJman: this might help http://paste.ubuntu.com/311068/
[00:49] <JJman> thx
[00:50] <JJman> attempting to install phpmyadmin now from source.  (skeptical that this will help as i think the problem lies in php5-mysql library
[00:52] <Reepicheep> JJman: when I say install phpmyadmin from source I meen get your mysql server setup, get your web server setup with PHP then go to sourceforge and download phpmyadmin from there
[00:52] <JJman> i've done that
[00:52] <JJman> web server already installed & setup with php5
[00:53] <JJman> i reinstalled mysql 5.1
[00:53] <JJman> now i'm trying to install latest version of phpmyadmin
[00:53] <Reepicheep> ok.. sorry so it's the php5 that is causing the problem with mysql 5.1 then?
[00:53] <JJman> Well i 'think' it is.  this is one of the errors i was getting in phpmyadmin:
[00:53] <JJman> Your PHP MySQL library version 5.0.75 differs from your MySQL server version 5.1.31. This may cause unpredictable behavior.
[00:54] <JJman> as it seems that the php mysql library is part of the php install perhaps
[00:54] <kirkland> mathiaz: still around?
[00:55] <mathiaz> kirkland: yes
[00:55] <kirkland> mathiaz: you don't have VT on your laptop, do you ?
[00:55] <mathiaz> kirkland: nope - I do *not* have VT on any of my laptop
[00:55] <kirkland> mathiaz: well that's something you should fix sometime :-)
[00:55] <kirkland> mathiaz: oh well
[00:57] <Reepicheep> jjman what does it return for the version when you do a "dpkg -l mysql-server"
[00:57] <mathiaz> kirkland: well - if Dell had chosen an Intel graphic instead of pouslbo driver for the mini 10, I would have VT extension on my dell mini
[00:57] <JJman> Reepicheep: pn  mysql-server         <none>               (no description available)
[00:58] <JJman> thats odd since i just installed 5.1
[00:58] <JJman> mysql --version
[00:58] <JJman> mysql  Ver 14.14 Distrib 5.1.31, for debian-linux-gnu (i486) using  EditLine wrapper
[00:58] <Reepicheep> yeah.. that's interesting, does the "mysqld" command exist?
[00:58] <Reepicheep> if so run "mysqld --version"
[00:58] <JJman> mysqld --version
[00:58] <JJman> mysqld  Ver 5.1.31-1ubuntu2 for debian-linux-gnu on i486 ((Ubuntu))
[00:59] <Reepicheep> JJman: what command did you use to install it?
[01:00] <JJman> sudo apt-get install mysql-client-5.1 mysql-server-5.1
[01:00] <JJman> i'm able to loginto db (it kept renamed root even)
[01:01] <Reepicheep> ah.. ic.. try "dpkg -l mysql-server-5.1"
[01:01] <JJman> ii  mysql-server-5.1     5.1.31-1ubuntu2      MySQL database server binaries
[01:01] <Reepicheep> well if you didn't remove the data directory for the db .. it probably just kept the existing users and databases
[01:02] <JJman> which is fine
[01:02] <Reepicheep> the users are all stored in the "mysql" database
[01:03] <JJman> this is wher ei think the problem will lie when i get phpmyadmin reinstalled:
[01:03] <JJman> ii  php5-mysql           5.2.6.dfsg.1-3ubuntu MySQL module for php5
[01:03] <JJman> yea i know in the users table
[01:09] <Reepicheep> JJman: I'm not sure what else to do short or repackaging php5-mysql linked against the mysql 5.1 libraries instead of the 5.0 libraries
[01:10] <JJman> we'll see.  if this doesn't work then i'm scrapping 5.1 and going back to 5.0 where it will work with no problems
[01:10] <Reepicheep> and .. everything may work fine the way that it is
[01:11] <JJman> true
[01:11] <Reepicheep> even with that warning.. I wouldn't know though .. that would be a question for the phpmyadmin people or even maybe the mysql people
[01:11] <JJman> yea if anyone in those channels were of any help  8-p
[01:11] <JJman> I've been trying to ask for more than a day
[01:13] <Reepicheep> well that's no fun.. I don't know if I have been any help either though..
[01:13] <JJman> More than most  ;-)  appreciate it
[01:13] <Reepicheep> np.. but the issue now is that you have reminded me how late it is.. I gotta get going
[01:13] <JJman> k
[01:13] <JJman> peez
[01:29] <JJman> i'm installing new version of phpmyadmin should i set www-data.www-data as the owner for all the files as root now owns and they aren't accessible?
[01:46] <decoy_> #ubuntu
[02:10] <jefferai> I'm having an issue where I can't get into any services from the outside
[02:10] <jefferai> after a reboot
[02:11] <jefferai> I had this problem before, and figured it out
[02:11] <jefferai> but that was a few months ago, when I first installed it
[02:11] <jefferai> and can't remember what :-|
[02:11] <jefferai> ufw isn't installed, iptables isn't installed...
[02:11] <jefferai> but it's behaving like there's a firewall
[03:12] <Atula> hi all
[03:13] <Atula> I install ubuntu server
[03:14] <Atula> but i copy a file with charaset  utf-8
[03:14] <Atula> it's no dipslay ubuntu server
[03:15] <Atula> can i help you
[03:21] <JanC> I think utf-8 should work
[03:22] <JanC> maybe you need to change the default encoding
[03:22] <JanC> do you have an example of this problem on-line?
[03:22] <Atula> yes
[03:22] <Atula> example
[03:25] <KurtKraut> Atula, if you are having a hard time to communicate in english, I belive the guys on #ubuntu-vn speak your language.
[03:25] <Atula> i make file with name : mkdir xã
[03:26] <Atula> it's no display
[03:32] <JanC> seems to work fine here?
[03:33] <Atula> i using winscp
[03:33] <JanC> ah, maybe something get's lost in the translation from Windows to linux....
[03:33] <Atula> copy file from my computer to server ubuntu 9.10 however it's display : "x?"
[03:34] <JanC> see http://gparted-forum.surf4.info/x%C3%A3/test.txt for a test
[03:34] <JanC> so the xã works there
[03:34] <JanC> http://gparted-forum.surf4.info/xã/test.txt
[03:34] <Atula> i see
[03:34] <JanC> (should do the same)
[03:35] <Atula> ok i wiil check locale
[03:35] <JanC> I think something goes wrong between windows & linux
[03:35] <JanC> windows doesn't use utf-8
[03:36] <Atula> window: Cp1258
[03:37] <JanC> most filesystems don't "know" what filesystem is used, and filenames are encoded in whatever encoding a program assumes is okay  :-/
[03:37] <Atula> ok thanks Janc
[03:38] <JanC> so you need to find a program or program option that can convert between cp1258 & utf-8
[03:38] <Atula> ok i see
[03:38] <Atula> i can using unikey to convert
[03:39] <JanC> maybe winscp can do it on-the-fly if told to, otherwise try other tools  ;)
[03:40] <Atula> ok
[03:41] <JanC> Atula: using Ubuntu on your desktop might avoid this sort of issues too  ;)
[03:41] <crohakon> notepad++
[03:42] <crohakon> Atula, yes, ditch windows.
[03:43] <Atula> i using notepad++
[03:44] <Atula> very good editor
[03:44] <twb> Emacs and Vim both run on Windows.
[03:44] <crohakon> If I still used windows I would use notepad++ for all my coding
[03:44] <twb> FWIW I think current versions of Windows use UTF-16 as the native encoding.
[03:45] <crohakon> Now I do most of my coding over SSH on my web server so I just use nano or vi.. mostly nano because it is simple and quick.
[03:52] <JanC> twb: actually, they officially use UCS-2 with extensions that essentially mean they use UTF-16, or something like that  ;)
[03:55] <twb> IIRC UTF-16 addressed UCS-2's inability to reference codepoints outside the first plane, or perhaps vice-versa.
[03:55] <twb> Anyways, it doesn't matter.
[03:56] <twb> All we really need to do is convince .jp to drop JIS
[04:03] <JanC> twb: AFAIK Unicode is a JIS standard too  ;)
[04:05] <JanC> one issue is that glyphs have some differences between Japanese, Chinese, Korean, etc., but are still classified in one "plane" in unicode
[04:05] <JanC> at least, that's what I understood
[04:09] <tonyyarusso> Hi, would someone be able to explain the differences between NFS, OpenAFS, and sshfs to me?
[04:10] <JJman> can someone help me figure out why i can't get mysql reinstalled.  after several attempts to remove & reinstall.  now all i get is Aborting downgrade from (at least) 5.1 to 5.0.
[04:10] <JJman> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-server-5.0_5.1.30really5.0.75-0ubuntu10.2_i386.deb (--unpack):
[04:11] <JJman> But i DONT" have 5.1 installed anymore  i have removed all versions and i try to install clean and it just errors out with this
[04:21] <guoxiaolong> oh no
[04:36] <twb> JJman: downgrading isn't supported.
[04:37] <JJman> i uninstalled 5.1  since i couldnt' get it working properly  but now i can't even install 5.0 as it errors out
[04:37] <JJman> so i'm NOT trying to downgrade.
[04:38] <twb> Did you use "aptitude purge"?
[04:38] <JJman> apt-get purge yep
[04:38] <twb> When it offered to delete your databases, did you tell it to do so?
[04:38] <JJman> problem was when i was installing phpmyadmin it decided it didn't want to use 5.1  so it UNINSTALLEd and installed 5.0  and fucked things up
[04:39] <JJman> nope.  is that the problem.  i kept the DB
[04:39] <twb> That would be my guess, but I tend to avoid mysql because it's so horrible.
[04:39] <JJman> lol.  why do u say that
[04:39] <twb> You can also try #mysql.
[04:40] <JJman> they are well not helpful there most of the time.  no one replies
[04:40] <JJman> i'll try remove the DB and see if that helps
[04:40] <twb> You waited a few hours for a reply?
[04:40] <JJman> yes.
[04:41] <JJman> i've waited days for a reply
[04:41] <twb> Did you ask a Smart Question? (http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html)
[04:41] <JJman> #phpmyadminn #mysql are pretty useless channels in my experience
[04:42] <JJman> tahts a relative term
[04:42] <twb> Yeah -- #ubuntu* is amazingly useless.
[04:42] <twb> I only lurk here so that I can pump a few clued people like ScottK for information
[04:43] <JJman> #ubuntu is not so.  but i've gotten a lot of good elp here in ubuntu-server actually
[04:43] <JJman> help
[04:43] <JJman> i think #ubuntu just has too  many users to be helpful
[04:44] <twb> Too many idiots, you mean.  A low SNR.
[04:44] <JJman> that too
[04:45] <JJman> although i often fall into that category as i've not been using linux for years like some of these folks
[04:47] <JJman> whattya know that worked.  i got 5.0 installed again.  Thx.
[04:47] <JJman> had to reinstall 5.1 to then purge it again  ;-)
[05:33] <mneptok> MariaDB > MySQL  ;)
[05:34] <twb> As for me, I would recommend sqlite (if you want simplicity) or postgres (if you want, you know, an actual database).
[05:35] <mneptok> twb: MySQL and derivatives are "actual databases"
[05:35] <twb> Does MySQL still use a non-atomic database format on Unix by default?
[05:35] <mneptok> twb: it's nice you like Postgres, but try to avoid troll-ish FUD.
[05:36] <mneptok> twb: depends on your storage engine.
[05:36] <twb> I meant MyISAM vs. InnoDB
[05:36] <twb> (IIRC; obviously I don't deal with MySQL much.)
[05:37] <mneptok> MyISAM is atomic.
[05:38] <mneptok> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/storage-engines.html
[05:39] <twb> Hm.  Maybe I was misremembering; Wikipedia indicates that MyISAM has an (optional?) "full ACID" mode, and merely lacks transactions.
[05:41] <mneptok> i'd go with the official documentation over Wikipedia entries.
[05:44] <twb> I believe Wikipedia more than primary sources for everything else.  I don't know why MySQL would be an exception.
[06:38]  * ScottK is not a huge RDBMS expert, but when he works on projects with people who are, they seem to lean pretty heavily to postgresql over mysql.
[06:40] <pwnguin> ScottK: its just a better place to start
[06:40] <pwnguin> i have no idea why mysql is so damn popular
[06:40] <ScottK> If popularity was related to quality, Windows would be about perfect.
[06:41] <pwnguin> however, i think "certified" experts are going to mainly lean oracle
[06:55] <twb> ScottK: that's pretty much the case for me, too.
[07:16] <\sh> pwnguin, postgresql is more oracle like then mysql ;) so postgresql is a good solution...(but lacks really some nice stuff like cluster handling and easy master slave synchronization)
[07:18] <twb> I think mysql is popular because it's easier to get going than postgres and more powerful than sqlite.
[07:18] <twb> So people think they are getting an easy-to-use robust RDBMS rather than a hard-to-use toy
[07:20] <\sh> twb, well, looking at some real world projects like booking.com it's a robust RDBMS...forget the lack of sequences...we had to make a decision in the past too...mysql or postgresql...both had pros and cons...and one of the cons for the mysql decision was the cluster package
[07:22] <\sh> s/cons/pros/
[07:22] <\sh> need coffee fast
[07:23] <MenZa> we all do, shang
[07:37] <maxagaz_> hi
[07:38] <maxagaz_> i have installed a new disk to have more space on a server
[07:38] <maxagaz_> how to prepare it
[07:38] <maxagaz_> i meant, partition, format, mount
[07:38] <maxagaz_> is there a procedure somewhere ?
[07:38] <kaushal> hi
[07:39] <kaushal> is there a way to get 8.04.2 version ?
[07:39] <jmarsden> maxagaz_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingANewHardDrive
[07:39] <kaushal> http://releases.ubuntu.com/hardy/ gives me 8.04.3
[07:41] <\sh> maxagaz, partitioning: parted <device> ; formatting: mkfs.<your favorite fs> <your new partitions> ; vi /etc/fstab -> add your new partitions to mountpoints
[07:41] <maxagaz> jmarsden, thanks!
[07:42] <jmarsden> maxagaz: No problem.  BTW, all I did was Google for ubuntu add hard drive ... you could have done that too :)
[07:43] <tsrk> With vmbuilder, how do I specify the domain of a new VM?
[07:44] <jmarsden> tsrk: --domain DOMAIN   ... man vmbuilder has this info.
[07:46] <tsrk> jmarsden: that looks like it sets the networking domain... i'm trying to set the "name" of the VM, which I thought is also called the domain. I'm probably wrong about something here
[07:46] <jmarsden> tsrk: name as in hostname?
[07:47] <maxagaz> how to be sur of what /dev/sdx my system is booted on ?
[07:47] <tsrk> jmarsden: the name that libvirt uses
[07:47] <tsrk> maxagaz: mount
[07:49] <pwnguin> \sh: i dont disagree, just saying certified DBA employees seem to have a second job as "oracle salesman"
[07:50] <jmarsden> tsrk: Try --hostname HOSTNAME and also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/CreateGuests in case that helps
[07:51] <maxagaz> what is the code for ext4 partition, i can't find it in the list provided by cfdisk ?
[07:52] <\sh> pwnguin, certified oracle DBAs ;)
[07:53] <kaushal> checking in again for my query ?
[07:55] <jmarsden> kaushal: I doubt many mirrors will carry 8.04.2 ISO images any more.  As soon as you do an apt-get upgrade you'll have 8.04.3 and later anyway, so I'm not sure it is all that useful to download 8.04.2 nowadays...
[07:55] <jmarsden> maxagaz: I think you can use the same partition type code for ext4 as you use for ext3
[08:23] <mario__> Hi, how can i get SMART information from an hard disk in 8.04.3?
[08:23] <mario__> from console
[10:03] <kaushal> hi
[10:03] <kaushal> is there a way to know which package contains /etc/inetd.conf ?
[10:03] <kaushal> on Ubuntu
[10:05] <jpds> kaushal: dpkg -S /etc/inetd.conf
[10:05] <jpds> !apt-file | kaushal
[11:03] <maxagaz> how to make sure a firewall allows incoming connections on port  5900 from localhost ?
[11:06] <kblin> why would anyone filter on localhost anyway?
[11:13] <maxagaz> kblin, nmap localhost -p5900 => close
[11:13] <maxagaz> closed
[11:13] <maxagaz> how to open it ?
[11:14] <kblin> maxagaz: start a server on it?
[11:16] <maxagaz> 5900/tcp closed vnc
[11:16] <maxagaz> how to start it ?
[11:23]  * soren lunches
[11:26] <maxagaz> how to determine my X DISPLAY ?
[11:40] <\sh> maxagaz, echo $DISPLAY
[11:59] <alex88> mmhh...how can i configure my domain register to delegate dns to my vps? i've tried with NS myip but it's not working
[12:05] <Brumle> alex88: the NS record uses DNSnames, not ip addresses.  The NS records on the registrar must be the same as in your SOA record
[12:06] <alex88> mmmhhh..for example, in whois i have ns1.netsons.org ns2.netsons.org as nameserver, ad i can't change it.. in my dns panel i can add A AAAA CNAME MX TXT NS record..what should i do?
[12:08] <soren> alex88: It needs to change in the tld's nameserver.
[12:09] <alex88> so i have to change the ns1 and ns2 nameserver? can't delegate to my dns server with some kind of records?
[12:09] <soren> alex88: Think about it.. How do I know to begin with to go and look at the current DNS?
[12:10] <alex88> you mean how you can query it? or the current settings?
[12:10] <soren> No.
[12:11] <alex88> oh sry...my english is not so good..xD
[12:11] <soren> Think about it. You can't put an explanation on how to find something on the thing itself.
[12:11] <soren> If you want tell someone how to find your house, it doesn't help to put the map ON your house.
[12:11] <soren> Same thing here.
[12:11] <alex88> oh ok got it..
[12:12] <soren> Ok.
[12:12] <soren> So *something else* holds the information about which DNS to talk to for your domain.
[12:13] <alex88> mmhhh..i'll open a ticket to my domain registar
[12:14] <soren> If you want to talk to ubuntu.com, you (or a nameserver on your behalf) first asks the root name servers: "who knows somthing about .com.?". The response lists a number of name server that know about .com. You then ask those "who knows about ubuntu.com.?". You get back a list of nameservers. You can then ask talk to those about ubuntu.com.
[12:14] <soren> See?
[12:15] <soren> Changing the NS information on those final nameservers is not enough. You need to move one step back up the chain.
[12:15] <soren> (This is not strictly how it works, but it's accurate enough to explain why you're having problems)
[12:15] <alex88> oh ok, got it..
[12:16] <alex88> but, in this case, querying www.ubuntu.com ask at ubuntu.com the ip of www right?
[12:19] <alex88> i was thinking that changing some info in the ubuntu.com can delegate the www query to another nameserver..
[12:28] <Creap> dist-upgrade do not update my server to 9.10
[12:28] <Creap> how do I upgrade?
[12:32] <andol> Creap: I would say do-release-upgrade is the command you are looking for.
[12:34] <Creap> it tells me not to upgrade via ssh, but I don't have a graphics card, I hope there's usually no big problems with the upgrade?
[12:35] <pmatulis> Creap: what about a serial connection?
[12:35] <pmatulis> Creap: i have seen a jaunty-karmic upgrade fail spectacularly.  do you have backups?
[12:35] <Creap> I don't have a monitor either ;D only laptop + server
[12:36] <Creap> yeah the kubuntu upgrade failed on my work computer
[12:36] <Creap> I guess I'll just not upgrade
[12:37] <pmatulis> Creap: if there is no compelling reason to, you shouldn't upgrade a server, more so if it an important server, and even more so if you have no backups
[12:38] <Creap> it's not an production server or anything like that
[12:38] <Creap> looking at the changelog now
[12:39] <Creap> I guess the only interesting part for me is ext4
[12:39] <Creap> which I don't really need 9.10 for anyway so..
[13:06] <incorrect> off topic, but can anyone suggest a good US ubuntu 9.10 vm provider?
[13:07] <Pici> incorrect: Look into linode.
[13:23] <incorrect> thanks Pici
[14:49] <cesco> Hi. Anybody with experience on DAT tapes?
[14:49] <ghankstef> what is the best way to stay on top of security updates?  I heard there was an openssl flaw just discovered - but dont know if ubuntu server has a patch yet
[14:50] <gioele> hello, is there an (official) PPA with VDE-enabled KVM packages?
[14:51] <soren> gioele: I doubt it.
[14:51] <gioele> soren: :(
[14:52] <soren> gioele: Most of the time, you don't actually need vde.
[14:52] <stgraber> gioele: if you install vde2, you can then use "vdekvm" which will make the vde network working inside kvm
[14:53] <gioele> stgraber: vdekvm is deprecated upstread (vde) not the debian|ubuntu packages are not working anymore
[14:53] <gioele> I mean they start but the networking fails to set up
[14:54] <gioele> stgraber: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=534321
[14:54] <stgraber> really ? I did all the iso testing for LTSP with two VMs using vde2 for virtual switching
[14:54] <stgraber> (in Karmic)
[14:54] <soren> stgraber: Why did you need VDE for that?
[14:54] <gioele> stgraber: using the kvm in karmic?
[14:54] <stgraber> yep
[14:54] <soren> A bridge already acts as a virtual switch.
[14:55] <gioele> soren: a bridge requires quite a bit of configuration
[14:55] <stgraber> soren: sure but when you PXE boot, the delay between the time the interface joins the switch and the time it actually works is too long
[14:55] <stgraber> soren: and so it fails 50% of the time
[14:55] <stgraber> also, you need to be root to add a bridge
[14:56] <gioele> stgraber: did you use vde_switch with --tap?
[14:59] <soren> stgraber: You can adjust that delay..
[14:59] <soren> gioele: You're kidding, right?
[14:59] <soren> gioele: You think it's easier to setup vde than a bridge?
[15:00] <gioele> soren: I'd say so: http://www.debianadmin.com/create-a-lan-for-virtual-servers-with-kvm-and-vde.html
[15:01] <soren> With libvirt, the bridge is even already there.
[15:01] <soren> The default for new VM's is to hook into the bridge. It can't possibly be any easier.
[15:03] <gioele> soren: libvirt != a bridge. I was referring to a manual configuration
[15:04] <gioele> stgraber: I just tested again: the two instances refuse to connect each other, each vdekvm says http://pastie.org/686485
[15:05] <stgraber> gioele: i tried with vde_switch -sock /tmp/vde IIRC
[15:09] <soren> gioele: Err.. No, I know that libvirt is not a bridge. It's a library (and a daemon). It sets up a bridge, though.
[15:15] <stgraber> hmm, can't seem to make it to work again ... I used it last week (first time I used it) and it worked, not sure what changed in between
[15:19] <smoser> kirkland, chat sometime today ?
[15:25] <kirkland> smoser: sure, irc, or phone?
[15:25] <soren> kirkland: Do you know if any laptop battery for any T-series will fit the one I bought from you?
[15:25] <smoser> i was thinking phone
[15:25] <kirkland> soren: any t6* series, yes
[15:26] <soren> kirkland: Cool. Thanks.
[15:26] <kirkland> soren: ie, not a t41p's battery
[15:26] <kirkland> soren: want the docking station for $20?
[15:28] <kirkland> smoser: give me 15 minutes
[15:29] <smoser> kirkland, i'll give you $20 for it.
[15:30] <smoser> in fact, please, i want to give you $20 for it.
[15:30] <soren> kirkland: Sure.
[15:30] <soren> kirkland: In fact, that would be awesome.
[15:31] <soren> kirkland: I'm bringing a suit case anyway, so I've got plenty of room for once.
[15:42] <kirkland> smoser: soren: heh, well, you're going to have to duke it out :-)
[15:42] <kirkland> or start a bidding war :-)
[15:42] <smoser> $20.02
[15:43] <soren> kirkland: Can't I pull rank or seniority or something? :)
[15:43] <kirkland> :-)
[15:43] <soren> Arm wrestle?
[15:43] <kirkland> soren: that works better in the military
[15:43] <soren> I'd probably lose that one, but it'd be fun.
[15:43] <kirkland> you should have a hack off
[15:43] <soren> realtimebattle
[15:43] <soren> !
[15:51]  * soren takes a quick break
[16:30] <gioele> I'd like to recompile kvm and repackage qemu-kvm. Are there instructions on how to do that? Do you use bzr-builddeb?
[16:31] <gioele> kirkland: I see you have a qemu-kvm-packaging branch in +junk, do you use that to package qemu-kvm?
[16:37] <bogeyd6> gioele im probably only one alive, and i only ever used vmware
[16:42] <kirkland> gioele: i don't use that yet
[16:42] <kirkland> gigasoft: apt-get source qemu-kvm
[16:42] <kirkland> gioele:  apt-get source qemu-kvm
[16:42] <kirkland> gioele: cd *
[16:42] <kirkland> gioele: debuild
[16:42] <kirkland> well, sudo apt-get build-dep qemu-kvm
[16:43] <gioele>  kirkland: ok, thank you. I hoped I could try this new bzr-builddeb toy ;)
[16:43] <kirkland> gioele: bzr branch lp:byobu
[16:43] <kirkland> gioele: cd byobu
[16:43] <kirkland> gioele: bzr bd
[16:44] <gioele> kirkland: great I'll try that soon (paid job first ;))
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[16:47] <kirkland> gigasoft: tab completion fail
[16:47] <gigasoft> kirkland: what for?
[16:47] <kirkland> gigasoft: i was trying to tab complete gioele
[16:48] <gigasoft> why should i do that?
[16:48] <kirkland> gigasoft: i mistakenly called your name
[16:48] <gigasoft> ok
[17:12] <flagg0204> are their ubuntu debs available for eucalyptus 1.6.1?
[17:20] <kane_> flagg0204: yes, from eucalyptus.com: http://repo.eucalyptus.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/e/eucalyptus/
[17:22] <flagg0204> kane_ ah cool thanks
[17:22] <kane_> flagg0204: instructions here: http://open.eucalyptus.com/wiki/EucalyptusInstallationUbuntuJaunty_v1.6
[17:22] <kane_> flagg0204: no problem
[17:23] <dmacnutt> anyone with ltsp experience?
[17:24] <dmacnutt> was able to install without issue, and can get the thin client to boot, but X fails to start, It stalls with the a busy mouse cursor
[17:25] <flagg0204> kane_ am i correct in assuming that these instructions will work with karmic as well?
[17:25] <flagg0204> kane_ or is that jaunty only
[17:25] <kane_> flagg0204: i'm afraid this was just my google skills at work :) it'd stand to reason they'd work though
[17:26] <flagg0204> kane_ ok.   well guess it worth a shot
[17:40] <lukehasnoname> Good morning, gents
[17:40] <lukehasnoname> Has anyone in this distinguished channel used FireHOL?
[17:44] <lukehasnoname> I don't need help with it; I want to know if anyone else thinks it's exponentially cooler than ufw (though props to ufw on their improvements in Karmic)
[17:44]  * ScottK just has his own iptables scripts.
[17:44]  * jdstrand uses ufw
[17:45] <ScottK> Right, you would. ;-)
[17:45] <jdstrand> :)
[17:46] <lukehasnoname> heh
[17:47] <lukehasnoname> Given the number of mature frontends to iptables, I assert that all but the most complex of configurations (possibly /especially/ the most complex) need not use iptables directly.
[17:48] <ScottK> lukehasnoname: My assertion is that I've had iptables scripts that work for me for years, so any switch away from using iptables directly would cause me more work, not less.
[17:49] <lukehasnoname> True. It is all about what you know.
[17:58] <doug_> I'm running ubuntu-9.10 server and just installed mysql-server.  However, there are no files in either /etc/mysql or /var/lib/mysql.  How do I get the configuration and initial database files added?
[18:11] <lukehasnoname> doug_: Have you attempted logging in?
[18:12] <flagg0204> lukehasnoname - agreed with iptables,  having to manage a 300-400 lines iptables script is a nightmare.  i'd also argue that if your rules are that comples, by a appliance based FW
[18:13] <doug_> lukehasnoname:  I can't log into the mysql server....it won't start because of the missing config (and other) files.
[18:13] <lukehasnoname> Possible. OR check out FireHOL. I have no personal gain in its gain in popularity, but seriously, it's pretty amazing. Not perfect, but it's very handy. the home page (google it) has a very nice example setup.
[18:14] <lukehasnoname> doug_: OK, I kind of expected that. Hmmm, that's weird. This isn't the most popular method of fixing it, but if it's this broken... I'd say uninstall/reinstall the package and see what happens. Make sure it's calling in the right dependencies as well; 'mysql-server' is a metapackage
[18:18] <doug_> lukehasnoname:  I've already done that several times....still doesn't install the files for /etc/mysql or /var/lib/mysql, and possibly others.
[18:27] <lukehasnoname> I don't know what to tell you doug_
[18:28] <lukehasnoname> is it installing all dependencies correctly?
[18:28] <lukehasnoname> No messed up write permissions on those folders?
[18:29] <doug_> luke:  I appreciate the help.  It's just wierd and frustrating that installing the packages leaves it in a state without the config files and unstartable.  :-)
[18:29] <jkakar> I'm just reviewing the UEC setup instructions and wondering, is it possible to setup an all-in-one cluster controller and node on the same machine?
[18:30] <jkakar> I just want to play with UEC, but I only have a single machine.
[18:34] <doug_> I gotta run for now.  Thanks for the help and I'll be back later.
[18:34] <lukehasnoname> doug_: later. jkakar: I don't know. I would think so, however, I would think it'd be beneficial to have at least two computers to play with for UEC
[18:35] <jkakar> lukehasnoname: Yeah, it probably would.
[18:35] <jkakar> I'm just wondering if things like network discovery of nodes will work if the node is on the same machine as the controller.
[19:02] <m8> Hi, I can install vnc4server witouth xorg?
[19:05] <_ruben> m8: so you want to vnc into text-only machine?
[19:05] <_ruben> ssh seems way more suited for that
[19:05] <m8> __ruben: yes
[19:06] <m8> but a want a virtual desktop for some apps...
[19:06] <m8> *i want
[19:06] <_ruben> err, what would a vnc session to a text-only machine offer more than a ssh terminal window?
[19:06] <m8> i want to run a Xfce virtual desktop accessibile whit vnc.... if there are alternatives... tell me!
[19:07] <m8> __ruben.... offer to run some apps.. i need
[19:07] <m8> :o
[19:07] <_ruben> so you want to run xfce on a machine without X, im not sure i understand what you're trying achieve
[19:07] <m8> xfce on virtual desktop
[19:08] <_ruben> define "virtual desktop"
[19:09] <m8> an istance of X
[19:09] <m8> in a headless pc
[19:09] <m8> :o
[19:10] <_ruben> X on a headless pc? .. that doesnt make sense at all .. tho perhaps this is what you want: machine A (a desktop) has X running, machine B (a server) is text only, you want to run graphical apps on B, but use the screen of A .. ?
[19:13] <m8> ....
[19:13] <m8> i want to run a Virtual Desktop(an instance of vnc4server)
[19:14] <kane_> m8: that's actually an x/y problem :) the solution to your real problem is running the vnc4server... what's the underlying problem? ie, what will you use the vnc4server for exactly?
[19:15] <_ruben> exactly what im trying to find out, but am failing so to do so
[19:15]  * _ruben moves on
[19:15] <m8> kane_ :)
[19:16] <m8> for run X apps on a headless pc :D
[19:17] <kane_> m8: so you dont want to attach a monitor to the device. That still means you need X to run the graphical environment though.
[19:17] <m8> ok
[19:17] <m8> and I need xorg, right?
[19:18] <kane_> m8: i think the vnc4server package already depends on the libraries you need.
[19:18] <m8> ok :)
[19:18] <m8> and i need to install a desktop manager
[19:19] <m8> like Xfce4
[19:19] <m8> it's right ?
[19:19] <kane_> m8: the ubuntu forums actually have a thread about this here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=690895
[19:19] <zul> ttx: what would the Vcs-Bzr: line in the debian/control be now that apache2 is apart of the distributed development thing
[19:19] <m8> wow
[19:19] <m8> :D
[19:20] <kane_> m8: yeah, you'll want a windowmanager -- you're basically setting up a 'normal' machine, except you're using your other pc as the screen
[19:20] <ttx> zul: what does it currently say ?
[19:20] <zul> there isnt one there is the svn one for debian
[19:20] <m8> ok :)
[19:21] <ttx> zul: I don't think you need to update it for DistributedDevelopment
[19:21] <zul> I was just going to add Vcs-Bzr: https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache2
[19:21] <zul> meh I can always fix it later
[19:22] <ttx> zul: it superfluous since in the end they will all be
[19:22] <zul> true
[19:22] <ttx> zul: but that's not incorrect ;)
[19:22] <zul> ttx: thanks
[19:43] <jcastro> kirkland, can you ask anthony to subscribe to "community-lucid-launchpad-upstream-improvements" and mark himself as essential, thus forcing it to be scheduled on a day he'll be there?
[19:44] <jcastro> kirkland, I've got a solution to the patch thing I want to pitch to the lp team
[19:44] <jcastro> having real upstreams there nodding profusedly would be sweet
[19:44] <kirkland> jcastro: pasted your request to aliguori in #ubuntu-virt
[19:45] <jcastro> kirkland, if there's any blueprint he feels he needs to be at making himself as essential will force the system to schedule it on those days
[19:45] <kirkland> jcastro: cool
[20:07] <wwp> hello i have got troubles installing xen on x86_64 karmic (alternative / server kernel) - the problem is that i cannot boot using the xen kernel and grub (grub-pc) does not offer any options on boot
[20:08] <wwp> and i'm new to grub2 - missing the menu.lst -.-
[20:13] <jcastro> kirkland, let's hallway discuss your kvm testing thing at UDS
[20:13] <jcastro> I've wanted something like that for a long time
[20:14] <jcastro> except I envisioned it right in the GUI for virt-manager
[20:14] <jcastro> New->Ubuntu->Blah 7.10
[20:14] <jcastro> or whatever
[20:15] <wwp> no ideas so far?
[20:18] <pmatulis> anyone here use sbuild?
[20:19] <zzz20092> ? what the hell is going on with amavisd setup, the config is scattered over hells half acre!!
[20:41] <ScottK> zzz20092: Standard for the package we get from Debian.
[20:41] <ScottK> zzz20092: It's actually a lot saner than it first appears.
[20:42] <ScottK> Make your changes in (IIRC) 50-user and it over-rides anything in the earlier config files.  That way your changes never get over-ridden on upgrade.
[20:49] <android6011> during the install hwo can I completely format all the disks including existing grub to mbr installs. Also, how can I pick which disk to install grub to
[20:54] <zzz20092> ScottK: I tried putting my stuff in the 50-user, didn't do what i wanted it kept quarantining stuff rather than just discarding junk.
[21:00] <zzz20092> ScottK: I have a similar problem with the postfix setup, I have 4 log files (mail.err, mail.info, mail.log, mail.warn) all contain the same info, but I cannot find out where to turn the them off.
[21:00] <ScottK> zzz20092: Then it's an issue with what you are putting in the file, not which file you are putting them in.
[21:00] <ScottK> zzz20092: For postfix, .err and .warn have subsets of .log
[21:01] <ScottK> So they aren't the same.
[21:02] <zzz20092> ScottK: the subsets contain the same info as the log, why bother just takes up space and confuses the issue.
[21:03] <ScottK> Well if you are looking for just serious stuff, looking in .error or .warn is useful.
[21:03] <ScottK> .error should be empty all the time anyway
[21:04] <android6011> for data partitions what is a good filesystem.
[21:04] <android6011> they will be doing a lot of network transfers
[21:05] <android6011> and not losing data is very important even though I am doing backups
[21:06] <zzz20092> ScottK: As a retired engineer I strongly believe in the KISS principal, and what I am seeing does not follow it.
[21:07] <ScottK> zzz20092: Personally I think .info and .log is overkill, but I sometimes find a separate .warn/.error useful for troubleshooting.
[21:07] <ScottK> Normally I only look at/grep .log
[21:08] <ScottK> android6011: ext3 then.
[21:08] <zzz20092> ScottK: ditto
[21:08] <android6011> ScottK: why do you say ext3
[21:08] <ScottK> Because it's the most reliable/supported in the kernel today.
[21:09] <ScottK> ResierFS is essentially unmaintained and has been for years.  Ext4 still has open data loss bugs.
[21:09] <ScottK> Ext2 isn't journaled.
[21:09] <ScottK> Anything newer is just crack if you care about your data
[21:13] <android6011> so no xfs or jfs?
[21:14] <zzz20092> android6011: ext3 is probably the best for general use, but you haven't told use much about your data
[21:14] <android6011> zzz20092: like what
[21:14] <android6011> there are a lot of large video files etc I edit
[21:15] <ScottK> android6011: I don't know enough about them to have confidence.
[21:17] <zzz20092> androd6011: i'd stick to ext3, xfs/jfs might be an option if you were storing lots of small files as they have sub-block allocation.
[21:19] <android6011> zzz20092: I do have a lot of small files too. I do web design on the side so I have tons of web projects stored at any given time
[21:22] <zzz20092> android6011: how much Linux experience do you have?
[21:22] <android6011> zzz20092: quite a bit
[21:26] <zzz20092> android6011: then you could try setting up 1 partition with ext3 and another with xfs, mount the as video and web_dev and use appropriately, on the other hand you could just use ext3 for everything and save yourself some trouble.
[21:31] <android6011> ok
[21:32] <android6011> also, how can I spin down a hard drive after being idle for say 1 hour. And is smart enabled by default, if so where is the info logged? if not how do i enable it
[21:37] <genii> !info smartmontools
[21:38] <zzz20092> android6011: if memory serves smart is usually set in bios setup, you could also take a look smartmontools
[21:40] <jmedina> zzz20092: you can enable SMART using command line toos
[21:58] <zzz20092> jmedina: Ok, I just took a quick look at smartmontools and gsmat.... not particularly useful I<HO
[21:58] <zzz20092> I<HO -> IMHO
[22:08] <lamont> kirkland: thoughts on bug 445456? - heard a rumor you might have thoughts on it.
[22:38] <helfire__> i have a 8.04.3 LTS server, about every 2 weeks the load from apache goes through the roof and i have to do a forced restart. Any ideas why this happens?
[22:39] <smackdad1y> .
[22:39] <dfdfsd> l
[22:41] <jmedina> helfire__: hard to guess without evidence, you need to look at your apache logs en syslog for related messages
[22:41] <jmedina> probably a bad code application or a attack
[22:54] <helfire__> jmedina: the weird thing is i dont see anything out of line in the logs, and it seams to be every 2 weeks to the day
[22:54] <helfire__> but i'm going to browse through them again since it happened again today
[22:55] <helfire__> my load always hovers around .20 even though nothing is running (atleast not shown in top or htop)
[22:56] <kane_> helfire__: can you see wehre the load is coming from at least? cpu, disk, network?
[22:58] <helfire__> kane_: not really. maybe i'm not looking with the right tool
[22:58] <helfire__> in syslog i'm seeing alot of spam mail getting rejected from www-data@myserver.com, kind of odd
[22:59] <jmedina> :)
[23:00] <kane_> *from* the apache user?
[23:00] <helfire__> ya
[23:00] <jmedina> they are spmming trhgouth a web form or something?
[23:00] <kane_> .. is your apache sending mail to you?
[23:00] <helfire__> no, well i dont have it configured to
[23:00] <helfire__> atleast not a box that's real
[23:00] <helfire__> lots of postfix warnings: warning: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to saslauthd server: Permission denied
[23:02] <kane_> seems worthwhile to chase that down
[23:02] <helfire__> hmmm, i may have my postfix configured badly...
[23:03] <kane_> btw, htop should be good enough to show you what processees are causing the load and why
[23:04] <helfire__> right before my forced reboot i have cron doing some mrtg stuff, and freshclam downloading new definitions
[23:05] <helfire__> i am just shutting down my mail server as i dont use em :)
[23:07] <helfire__> so i have cought about 100 apache2 proc's running before this happened, was too slow to get them with a kilall
[23:07] <kane_> that's a lot of processes -- is that by design?
[23:07] <helfire__> no
[23:08] <helfire__> not sure how that many got spawned
[23:11] <kane_> that's probably a good sign of resource exhaustion -- check the state of those... possibly they're zombies
[23:11] <helfire__> [Fri Nov 06 03:00:28 2009] [error] server reached MaxClients setting, consider raising the MaxClients setting
[23:12] <helfire__> that was near the lock up
[23:12] <helfire__> looks like a bot trying to attack and find something
[23:12] <helfire__> lots of weird requests and bad headers
[23:12] <kane_> firewall hoooooo!
[23:13] <helfire__> haha
[23:13] <helfire__> lots of ip's too
[23:13] <helfire__> :/
[23:14] <helfire__> might have to change sshd to run on a different port too... noticing alot there
[23:17] <helfire__> grep "an unknown filter was not added: PHP" apache2/error.log -c
[23:17] <helfire__> 48916
[23:17] <helfire__> hmm should take care of that :)
[23:17] <helfire__> this sever has "just worked" since 06, needs some TLC
[23:30] <zzz20092> ttt
[23:33] <smackdaddy> how can i assign individual hostnames to each of my network cards
[23:37] <lamont> smackdaddy: in what sense?
[23:37] <lamont> as in, within what app?
[23:38] <smackdaddy> well.. say a user connects via ssh to domain1.com it will show user@domain1.com...
[23:38] <smackdaddy> on the console
[23:38] <smackdaddy> and different fr each ip...
[23:44] <helfire__> can i start up a backup sshd server incase changing ports on my default one messes up