[00:02] also these are the last couple entries from my mail.log file Nov 5 23:59:29 Directories postfix/smtpd[24093]: warning: problem talking to service rewrite: Success [00:02] Nov 5 23:59:29 Directories postfix/master[6788]: warning: process /usr/lib/postfix/trivial-rewrite pid 24122 exit status 1 [00:02] Nov 5 23:59:29 Directories postfix/master[6788]: warning: /usr/lib/postfix/trivial-rewrite: bad command startup -- throttling [00:03] sorry thought I'd copied the link http://pastebin.org/51273 [00:07] and what about postfix check? [00:09] it gives me this postfix: fatal: /etc/postfix/main.cf, line 49: missing '=' after attribute name: "dovecot unix - n n - - pipe flags=DRhu user=vmail argv=/usr/lib/dovecot/deliver -f ${sender} -d ${recipient}" [00:10] unless I format it like this: dovecot=unix - n n - - pipe flags=DRhu user=vmail argv=/usr/lib/dovecot/deliver -f ${sender} -d ${recipient} [00:10] which is incorrect [00:12] i need to reinstall a program (mysql) whats the best way to remove & reinstall should i do a reinstall or remove or purge or autoremove? [00:14] JJman: are you interested in starting over.. configs and all? [00:16] Reepicheep: yea thats fine cause i have to reinstall phpmyadmin afterwards. [00:18] JJman: then you may as well just go ahead and purge it .. then if you want to get rid of the data make sure /var/lib/mysql and /var/lib/mysql-cluster are both removed or moved out of the way [00:19] will the data be overwritten if there are changes in the install to user? only user added/changed is root i changed its name [00:20] JJman: are you refering to the data in the database? [00:20] yar. [00:20] ninnypants: what ubuntu version? [00:20] since i renamed the 'root' user [00:21] 8.4 [00:21] JJman: If you want to preserve that you better back that up first [00:21] I recommend migrato jaunty or karmic and install postfix-dovecot [00:21] it is preconfigured :) [00:21] JJman: root as in mysql root user, correct? [00:21] yep [00:22] i can recreate it its no biggie. just the 1 user [00:22] jmedina: can't not my server [00:22] well when you install mysql-server it will create a root user for that mysql install [00:23] I purged both client & server but i still can run mysql from cmd. although it won't connect. as there's a socket error [00:23] JJman: I'm curriuos why you renamed the mysql 'root' user? [00:23] so it obviously didn't purge [00:23] errr because everyoen know's 'root' so its obviously more secure to rename it [00:24] rule #1 rename your root [00:24] ;-) [00:24] oh.. I see.. I useually just make it so only localhost can login as root.. and also set a root password [00:25] ok now mysql is gone. i had 2 versions of the client installed [00:25] does mytop come standard with mysql? [00:25] JJman: you may also see mysql-common installed [00:26] this is the problem i'm having i want mysql 5.1 installed but when i go to install phpmyadmin it uninstall's 5.1 and installs 5.0 [00:26] its extremely annoying [00:26] how can i search what mysql* related packages are installed [00:27] dpkg -l [00:28] JJman: you may want to install phpmyadmin from source instead of the package then [00:28] it's pretty straight forward to setup [00:29] ok . whats this dpkg -l showing me. thats not stuff thats only installed, right. cause its showing the packages i just purged [00:30] JJman: do an "aptitude show " on one of the questionable packages, see if it claims to be installed there [00:33] JJman: what does the like in "dpkg -l" start with? [00:33] i think the problem i'm having with phpmyadmin has to do with the version conflict in php5-mysql that appears to be using an older version [00:34] not sure what u mean [00:35] when you do a "dpkg -l" and it displays say the package "mysql-server" does the line stat with "ii" or something different [00:37] if it start with a "u" it is not installed [00:38] JJman: "aptitude show mysql-server | grep State" may be handy also [00:40] yea i see ii [00:40] for most things except for mysql 5.1 has rc in front [00:40] 5.0 says ii [00:42] JJman: "ii" => Desired: installed ; Status: Installed [00:43] & rc [00:43] maybe its a dumb question or maybe its just so the user can have more customization over ubuntu but i recently started using ubuntu server to host my own webpage. one thing i noticed is that there is no or seems to be no firewall by default, why is this? [00:43] there's apparmor [00:44] not sure thats the same [00:44] a Firewall wont protect you agains http attacks [00:44] at least not a IP firewall [00:44] JJman: "rc" => Desired: Remove ; Status: Config-files [00:44] i just figured a firewall would normally be desired [00:45] mod_security is supposed to help i think in that regard [00:45] JJman: this might help http://paste.ubuntu.com/311068/ [00:49] thx [00:50] attempting to install phpmyadmin now from source. (skeptical that this will help as i think the problem lies in php5-mysql library [00:52] JJman: when I say install phpmyadmin from source I meen get your mysql server setup, get your web server setup with PHP then go to sourceforge and download phpmyadmin from there [00:52] i've done that [00:52] web server already installed & setup with php5 [00:53] i reinstalled mysql 5.1 [00:53] now i'm trying to install latest version of phpmyadmin [00:53] ok.. sorry so it's the php5 that is causing the problem with mysql 5.1 then? [00:53] Well i 'think' it is. this is one of the errors i was getting in phpmyadmin: [00:53] Your PHP MySQL library version 5.0.75 differs from your MySQL server version 5.1.31. This may cause unpredictable behavior. [00:54] as it seems that the php mysql library is part of the php install perhaps [00:54] mathiaz: still around? [00:55] kirkland: yes [00:55] mathiaz: you don't have VT on your laptop, do you ? [00:55] kirkland: nope - I do *not* have VT on any of my laptop [00:55] mathiaz: well that's something you should fix sometime :-) [00:55] mathiaz: oh well [00:57] jjman what does it return for the version when you do a "dpkg -l mysql-server" [00:57] kirkland: well - if Dell had chosen an Intel graphic instead of pouslbo driver for the mini 10, I would have VT extension on my dell mini [00:57] Reepicheep: pn mysql-server (no description available) [00:58] thats odd since i just installed 5.1 [00:58] mysql --version [00:58] mysql Ver 14.14 Distrib 5.1.31, for debian-linux-gnu (i486) using EditLine wrapper [00:58] yeah.. that's interesting, does the "mysqld" command exist? [00:58] if so run "mysqld --version" [00:58] mysqld --version [00:58] mysqld Ver 5.1.31-1ubuntu2 for debian-linux-gnu on i486 ((Ubuntu)) [00:59] JJman: what command did you use to install it? [01:00] sudo apt-get install mysql-client-5.1 mysql-server-5.1 [01:00] i'm able to loginto db (it kept renamed root even) [01:01] ah.. ic.. try "dpkg -l mysql-server-5.1" [01:01] ii mysql-server-5.1 5.1.31-1ubuntu2 MySQL database server binaries [01:01] well if you didn't remove the data directory for the db .. it probably just kept the existing users and databases [01:02] which is fine [01:02] the users are all stored in the "mysql" database [01:03] this is wher ei think the problem will lie when i get phpmyadmin reinstalled: [01:03] ii php5-mysql 5.2.6.dfsg.1-3ubuntu MySQL module for php5 [01:03] yea i know in the users table [01:09] JJman: I'm not sure what else to do short or repackaging php5-mysql linked against the mysql 5.1 libraries instead of the 5.0 libraries [01:10] we'll see. if this doesn't work then i'm scrapping 5.1 and going back to 5.0 where it will work with no problems [01:10] and .. everything may work fine the way that it is [01:11] true [01:11] even with that warning.. I wouldn't know though .. that would be a question for the phpmyadmin people or even maybe the mysql people [01:11] yea if anyone in those channels were of any help 8-p [01:11] I've been trying to ask for more than a day [01:13] well that's no fun.. I don't know if I have been any help either though.. [01:13] More than most ;-) appreciate it [01:13] np.. but the issue now is that you have reminded me how late it is.. I gotta get going [01:13] k [01:13] peez === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [01:29] i'm installing new version of phpmyadmin should i set www-data.www-data as the owner for all the files as root now owns and they aren't accessible? === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [01:46] #ubuntu [02:01] New bug: #476063 in php5 (main) "package libapache2-mod-php5 5.2.10.dfsg.1-2ubuntu6.1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/476063 [02:10] I'm having an issue where I can't get into any services from the outside [02:10] after a reboot [02:11] I had this problem before, and figured it out [02:11] but that was a few months ago, when I first installed it [02:11] and can't remember what :-| [02:11] ufw isn't installed, iptables isn't installed... [02:11] but it's behaving like there's a firewall [02:16] New bug: #476069 in krb5 (main) "segfault" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/476069 [03:12] hi all [03:13] I install ubuntu server [03:14] but i copy a file with charaset utf-8 [03:14] it's no dipslay ubuntu server [03:15] can i help you [03:21] I think utf-8 should work [03:22] maybe you need to change the default encoding [03:22] do you have an example of this problem on-line? [03:22] yes [03:22] example [03:25] Atula, if you are having a hard time to communicate in english, I belive the guys on #ubuntu-vn speak your language. [03:25] i make file with name : mkdir xã [03:26] it's no display [03:32] seems to work fine here? [03:33] i using winscp [03:33] ah, maybe something get's lost in the translation from Windows to linux.... [03:33] copy file from my computer to server ubuntu 9.10 however it's display : "x?" [03:34] see http://gparted-forum.surf4.info/x%C3%A3/test.txt for a test [03:34] so the xã works there [03:34] http://gparted-forum.surf4.info/xã/test.txt [03:34] i see [03:34] (should do the same) [03:35] ok i wiil check locale [03:35] I think something goes wrong between windows & linux [03:35] windows doesn't use utf-8 [03:36] window: Cp1258 [03:37] most filesystems don't "know" what filesystem is used, and filenames are encoded in whatever encoding a program assumes is okay :-/ [03:37] ok thanks Janc [03:38] so you need to find a program or program option that can convert between cp1258 & utf-8 [03:38] ok i see [03:38] i can using unikey to convert [03:39] maybe winscp can do it on-the-fly if told to, otherwise try other tools ;) [03:40] ok [03:41] Atula: using Ubuntu on your desktop might avoid this sort of issues too ;) [03:41] notepad++ [03:42] Atula, yes, ditch windows. [03:43] i using notepad++ [03:44] very good editor [03:44] Emacs and Vim both run on Windows. [03:44] If I still used windows I would use notepad++ for all my coding [03:44] FWIW I think current versions of Windows use UTF-16 as the native encoding. [03:45] Now I do most of my coding over SSH on my web server so I just use nano or vi.. mostly nano because it is simple and quick. [03:52] twb: actually, they officially use UCS-2 with extensions that essentially mean they use UTF-16, or something like that ;) [03:55] IIRC UTF-16 addressed UCS-2's inability to reference codepoints outside the first plane, or perhaps vice-versa. [03:55] Anyways, it doesn't matter. [03:56] All we really need to do is convince .jp to drop JIS === erichammond1 is now known as erichammond [04:03] twb: AFAIK Unicode is a JIS standard too ;) [04:05] one issue is that glyphs have some differences between Japanese, Chinese, Korean, etc., but are still classified in one "plane" in unicode [04:05] at least, that's what I understood [04:09] Hi, would someone be able to explain the differences between NFS, OpenAFS, and sshfs to me? [04:10] can someone help me figure out why i can't get mysql reinstalled. after several attempts to remove & reinstall. now all i get is Aborting downgrade from (at least) 5.1 to 5.0. [04:10] dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-server-5.0_5.1.30really5.0.75-0ubuntu10.2_i386.deb (--unpack): [04:11] But i DONT" have 5.1 installed anymore i have removed all versions and i try to install clean and it just errors out with this [04:21] oh no [04:36] JJman: downgrading isn't supported. [04:37] i uninstalled 5.1 since i couldnt' get it working properly but now i can't even install 5.0 as it errors out [04:37] so i'm NOT trying to downgrade. [04:38] Did you use "aptitude purge"? [04:38] apt-get purge yep [04:38] When it offered to delete your databases, did you tell it to do so? [04:38] problem was when i was installing phpmyadmin it decided it didn't want to use 5.1 so it UNINSTALLEd and installed 5.0 and fucked things up [04:39] nope. is that the problem. i kept the DB [04:39] That would be my guess, but I tend to avoid mysql because it's so horrible. [04:39] lol. why do u say that [04:39] You can also try #mysql. [04:40] they are well not helpful there most of the time. no one replies [04:40] i'll try remove the DB and see if that helps [04:40] You waited a few hours for a reply? [04:40] yes. [04:41] i've waited days for a reply [04:41] Did you ask a Smart Question? (http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html) [04:41] #phpmyadminn #mysql are pretty useless channels in my experience [04:42] tahts a relative term [04:42] Yeah -- #ubuntu* is amazingly useless. [04:42] I only lurk here so that I can pump a few clued people like ScottK for information [04:43] #ubuntu is not so. but i've gotten a lot of good elp here in ubuntu-server actually [04:43] help [04:43] i think #ubuntu just has too many users to be helpful [04:44] Too many idiots, you mean. A low SNR. [04:44] that too [04:45] although i often fall into that category as i've not been using linux for years like some of these folks [04:47] whattya know that worked. i got 5.0 installed again. Thx. [04:47] had to reinstall 5.1 to then purge it again ;-) === nxvl_ is now known as nxvl [05:33] MariaDB > MySQL ;) [05:34] As for me, I would recommend sqlite (if you want simplicity) or postgres (if you want, you know, an actual database). [05:35] twb: MySQL and derivatives are "actual databases" [05:35] Does MySQL still use a non-atomic database format on Unix by default? [05:35] twb: it's nice you like Postgres, but try to avoid troll-ish FUD. [05:36] twb: depends on your storage engine. [05:36] I meant MyISAM vs. InnoDB [05:36] (IIRC; obviously I don't deal with MySQL much.) [05:37] MyISAM is atomic. [05:38] http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/storage-engines.html [05:39] Hm. Maybe I was misremembering; Wikipedia indicates that MyISAM has an (optional?) "full ACID" mode, and merely lacks transactions. [05:41] i'd go with the official documentation over Wikipedia entries. [05:44] I believe Wikipedia more than primary sources for everything else. I don't know why MySQL would be an exception. [06:38] * ScottK is not a huge RDBMS expert, but when he works on projects with people who are, they seem to lean pretty heavily to postgresql over mysql. [06:40] ScottK: its just a better place to start [06:40] i have no idea why mysql is so damn popular [06:40] If popularity was related to quality, Windows would be about perfect. [06:41] however, i think "certified" experts are going to mainly lean oracle [06:55] ScottK: that's pretty much the case for me, too. === crohakon is now known as crohakon|zZz [07:16] <\sh> pwnguin, postgresql is more oracle like then mysql ;) so postgresql is a good solution...(but lacks really some nice stuff like cluster handling and easy master slave synchronization) [07:18] I think mysql is popular because it's easier to get going than postgres and more powerful than sqlite. [07:18] So people think they are getting an easy-to-use robust RDBMS rather than a hard-to-use toy [07:20] <\sh> twb, well, looking at some real world projects like booking.com it's a robust RDBMS...forget the lack of sequences...we had to make a decision in the past too...mysql or postgresql...both had pros and cons...and one of the cons for the mysql decision was the cluster package [07:22] <\sh> s/cons/pros/ [07:22] <\sh> need coffee fast [07:23] we all do, shang [07:37] hi [07:38] i have installed a new disk to have more space on a server [07:38] how to prepare it [07:38] i meant, partition, format, mount [07:38] is there a procedure somewhere ? [07:38] hi [07:39] is there a way to get 8.04.2 version ? [07:39] maxagaz_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingANewHardDrive [07:39] http://releases.ubuntu.com/hardy/ gives me 8.04.3 [07:41] <\sh> maxagaz, partitioning: parted ; formatting: mkfs. ; vi /etc/fstab -> add your new partitions to mountpoints [07:41] jmarsden, thanks! [07:42] maxagaz: No problem. BTW, all I did was Google for ubuntu add hard drive ... you could have done that too :) [07:43] With vmbuilder, how do I specify the domain of a new VM? [07:44] tsrk: --domain DOMAIN ... man vmbuilder has this info. [07:46] jmarsden: that looks like it sets the networking domain... i'm trying to set the "name" of the VM, which I thought is also called the domain. I'm probably wrong about something here [07:46] tsrk: name as in hostname? [07:47] how to be sur of what /dev/sdx my system is booted on ? [07:47] jmarsden: the name that libvirt uses [07:47] maxagaz: mount [07:49] \sh: i dont disagree, just saying certified DBA employees seem to have a second job as "oracle salesman" [07:50] tsrk: Try --hostname HOSTNAME and also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/CreateGuests in case that helps [07:51] what is the code for ext4 partition, i can't find it in the list provided by cfdisk ? [07:52] <\sh> pwnguin, certified oracle DBAs ;) [07:53] checking in again for my query ? [07:55] kaushal: I doubt many mirrors will carry 8.04.2 ISO images any more. As soon as you do an apt-get upgrade you'll have 8.04.3 and later anyway, so I'm not sure it is all that useful to download 8.04.2 nowadays... [07:55] maxagaz: I think you can use the same partition type code for ext4 as you use for ext3 [08:23] Hi, how can i get SMART information from an hard disk in 8.04.3? [08:23] from console [10:03] hi [10:03] is there a way to know which package contains /etc/inetd.conf ? [10:03] on Ubuntu [10:05] kaushal: dpkg -S /etc/inetd.conf [10:05] !apt-file | kaushal [10:05] kaushal: apt-file is a program that can tell you which package(s) contain(s) a given filename. To install it and generate the database it needs, run "sudo apt-get install apt-file && sudo apt-file update" === alex88[sleep] is now known as alex88 [11:03] how to make sure a firewall allows incoming connections on port 5900 from localhost ? [11:06] why would anyone filter on localhost anyway? [11:13] kblin, nmap localhost -p5900 => close [11:13] closed [11:13] how to open it ? [11:14] maxagaz: start a server on it? [11:16] 5900/tcp closed vnc [11:16] how to start it ? [11:23] * soren lunches [11:26] how to determine my X DISPLAY ? [11:40] <\sh> maxagaz, echo $DISPLAY [11:59] mmhh...how can i configure my domain register to delegate dns to my vps? i've tried with NS myip but it's not working [12:05] alex88: the NS record uses DNSnames, not ip addresses. The NS records on the registrar must be the same as in your SOA record [12:06] mmmhhh..for example, in whois i have ns1.netsons.org ns2.netsons.org as nameserver, ad i can't change it.. in my dns panel i can add A AAAA CNAME MX TXT NS record..what should i do? [12:08] alex88: It needs to change in the tld's nameserver. [12:09] so i have to change the ns1 and ns2 nameserver? can't delegate to my dns server with some kind of records? [12:09] alex88: Think about it.. How do I know to begin with to go and look at the current DNS? [12:10] you mean how you can query it? or the current settings? [12:10] No. [12:11] oh sry...my english is not so good..xD [12:11] Think about it. You can't put an explanation on how to find something on the thing itself. [12:11] If you want tell someone how to find your house, it doesn't help to put the map ON your house. [12:11] Same thing here. [12:11] oh ok got it.. [12:12] Ok. [12:12] So *something else* holds the information about which DNS to talk to for your domain. [12:13] mmhhh..i'll open a ticket to my domain registar [12:14] If you want to talk to ubuntu.com, you (or a nameserver on your behalf) first asks the root name servers: "who knows somthing about .com.?". The response lists a number of name server that know about .com. You then ask those "who knows about ubuntu.com.?". You get back a list of nameservers. You can then ask talk to those about ubuntu.com. [12:14] See? [12:15] Changing the NS information on those final nameservers is not enough. You need to move one step back up the chain. [12:15] (This is not strictly how it works, but it's accurate enough to explain why you're having problems) [12:15] oh ok, got it.. [12:16] but, in this case, querying www.ubuntu.com ask at ubuntu.com the ip of www right? [12:19] i was thinking that changing some info in the ubuntu.com can delegate the www query to another nameserver.. === zoopster1 is now known as zoopster [12:28] dist-upgrade do not update my server to 9.10 [12:28] how do I upgrade? [12:32] Creap: I would say do-release-upgrade is the command you are looking for. [12:33] New bug: #475641 in lm-sensors (main) "pwmconfig does not work after upgrade to 9.10 on TYAN server" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/475641 [12:34] it tells me not to upgrade via ssh, but I don't have a graphics card, I hope there's usually no big problems with the upgrade? [12:35] Creap: what about a serial connection? [12:35] Creap: i have seen a jaunty-karmic upgrade fail spectacularly. do you have backups? [12:35] I don't have a monitor either ;D only laptop + server [12:36] yeah the kubuntu upgrade failed on my work computer [12:36] I guess I'll just not upgrade [12:37] Creap: if there is no compelling reason to, you shouldn't upgrade a server, more so if it an important server, and even more so if you have no backups [12:38] it's not an production server or anything like that [12:38] looking at the changelog now [12:39] I guess the only interesting part for me is ext4 [12:39] which I don't really need 9.10 for anyway so.. [13:06] off topic, but can anyone suggest a good US ubuntu 9.10 vm provider? [13:07] incorrect: Look into linode. === adrian_ is now known as blackxored [13:23] thanks Pici [14:11] New bug: #476491 in dhcp3 (main) "[karmic regression] Hostname not set by dhclient when no hostname defined in /etc/hosts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/476491 [14:49] Hi. Anybody with experience on DAT tapes? [14:49] what is the best way to stay on top of security updates? I heard there was an openssl flaw just discovered - but dont know if ubuntu server has a patch yet [14:50] hello, is there an (official) PPA with VDE-enabled KVM packages? [14:51] gioele: I doubt it. [14:51] soren: :( [14:52] gioele: Most of the time, you don't actually need vde. [14:52] gioele: if you install vde2, you can then use "vdekvm" which will make the vde network working inside kvm [14:53] stgraber: vdekvm is deprecated upstread (vde) not the debian|ubuntu packages are not working anymore [14:53] I mean they start but the networking fails to set up [14:54] stgraber: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=534321 [14:54] Debian bug 534321 in vde2 "vde2: ioctl error on vde network" [Important,Open] [14:54] really ? I did all the iso testing for LTSP with two VMs using vde2 for virtual switching [14:54] (in Karmic) [14:54] stgraber: Why did you need VDE for that? [14:54] stgraber: using the kvm in karmic? [14:54] yep [14:54] A bridge already acts as a virtual switch. [14:55] soren: a bridge requires quite a bit of configuration [14:55] soren: sure but when you PXE boot, the delay between the time the interface joins the switch and the time it actually works is too long [14:55] soren: and so it fails 50% of the time [14:55] also, you need to be root to add a bridge [14:56] stgraber: did you use vde_switch with --tap? [14:59] stgraber: You can adjust that delay.. [14:59] gioele: You're kidding, right? [14:59] gioele: You think it's easier to setup vde than a bridge? [15:00] soren: I'd say so: http://www.debianadmin.com/create-a-lan-for-virtual-servers-with-kvm-and-vde.html [15:01] With libvirt, the bridge is even already there. [15:01] The default for new VM's is to hook into the bridge. It can't possibly be any easier. [15:03] soren: libvirt != a bridge. I was referring to a manual configuration [15:04] stgraber: I just tested again: the two instances refuse to connect each other, each vdekvm says http://pastie.org/686485 [15:05] gioele: i tried with vde_switch -sock /tmp/vde IIRC [15:09] gioele: Err.. No, I know that libvirt is not a bridge. It's a library (and a daemon). It sets up a bridge, though. [15:15] hmm, can't seem to make it to work again ... I used it last week (first time I used it) and it worked, not sure what changed in between === t3cki3 is now known as dumbo [15:19] kirkland, chat sometime today ? [15:25] smoser: sure, irc, or phone? [15:25] kirkland: Do you know if any laptop battery for any T-series will fit the one I bought from you? [15:25] i was thinking phone [15:25] soren: any t6* series, yes [15:26] kirkland: Cool. Thanks. [15:26] soren: ie, not a t41p's battery [15:26] soren: want the docking station for $20? [15:28] smoser: give me 15 minutes [15:29] kirkland, i'll give you $20 for it. [15:30] in fact, please, i want to give you $20 for it. [15:30] kirkland: Sure. [15:30] kirkland: In fact, that would be awesome. [15:31] kirkland: I'm bringing a suit case anyway, so I've got plenty of room for once. [15:36] New bug: #476578 in samba (main) "After upgrade to karmic samba ignored /etc/samba/smbpasswd" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/476578 [15:42] smoser: soren: heh, well, you're going to have to duke it out :-) [15:42] or start a bidding war :-) [15:42] $20.02 [15:43] kirkland: Can't I pull rank or seniority or something? :) [15:43] :-) [15:43] Arm wrestle? [15:43] soren: that works better in the military [15:43] I'd probably lose that one, but it'd be fun. [15:43] you should have a hack off [15:43] realtimebattle [15:43] ! [15:51] * soren takes a quick break === StrangeCharm_ is now known as StrangeCharm [16:30] I'd like to recompile kvm and repackage qemu-kvm. Are there instructions on how to do that? Do you use bzr-builddeb? [16:31] kirkland: I see you have a qemu-kvm-packaging branch in +junk, do you use that to package qemu-kvm? [16:37] gioele im probably only one alive, and i only ever used vmware [16:42] gioele: i don't use that yet [16:42] gigasoft: apt-get source qemu-kvm [16:42] gioele: apt-get source qemu-kvm [16:42] gioele: cd * [16:42] gioele: debuild [16:42] well, sudo apt-get build-dep qemu-kvm [16:43] kirkland: ok, thank you. I hoped I could try this new bzr-builddeb toy ;) [16:43] gioele: bzr branch lp:byobu [16:43] gioele: cd byobu [16:43] gioele: bzr bd [16:44] kirkland: great I'll try that soon (paid job first ;)) [16:47] why? [16:47] gigasoft: tab completion fail [16:47] kirkland: what for? [16:47] gigasoft: i was trying to tab complete gioele [16:48] why should i do that? [16:48] gigasoft: i mistakenly called your name [16:48] ok [17:12] are their ubuntu debs available for eucalyptus 1.6.1? === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [17:20] flagg0204: yes, from eucalyptus.com: http://repo.eucalyptus.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/e/eucalyptus/ [17:22] kane_ ah cool thanks [17:22] flagg0204: instructions here: http://open.eucalyptus.com/wiki/EucalyptusInstallationUbuntuJaunty_v1.6 [17:22] flagg0204: no problem [17:23] anyone with ltsp experience? [17:24] was able to install without issue, and can get the thin client to boot, but X fails to start, It stalls with the a busy mouse cursor [17:25] kane_ am i correct in assuming that these instructions will work with karmic as well? [17:25] kane_ or is that jaunty only [17:25] flagg0204: i'm afraid this was just my google skills at work :) it'd stand to reason they'd work though [17:26] kane_ ok. well guess it worth a shot [17:40] Good morning, gents [17:40] Has anyone in this distinguished channel used FireHOL? [17:44] I don't need help with it; I want to know if anyone else thinks it's exponentially cooler than ufw (though props to ufw on their improvements in Karmic) [17:44] * ScottK just has his own iptables scripts. [17:44] * jdstrand uses ufw [17:45] Right, you would. ;-) [17:45] :) [17:46] heh [17:47] Given the number of mature frontends to iptables, I assert that all but the most complex of configurations (possibly /especially/ the most complex) need not use iptables directly. [17:48] lukehasnoname: My assertion is that I've had iptables scripts that work for me for years, so any switch away from using iptables directly would cause me more work, not less. [17:49] True. It is all about what you know. [17:58] I'm running ubuntu-9.10 server and just installed mysql-server. However, there are no files in either /etc/mysql or /var/lib/mysql. How do I get the configuration and initial database files added? === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [18:11] doug_: Have you attempted logging in? [18:12] lukehasnoname - agreed with iptables, having to manage a 300-400 lines iptables script is a nightmare. i'd also argue that if your rules are that comples, by a appliance based FW [18:13] lukehasnoname: I can't log into the mysql server....it won't start because of the missing config (and other) files. [18:13] Possible. OR check out FireHOL. I have no personal gain in its gain in popularity, but seriously, it's pretty amazing. Not perfect, but it's very handy. the home page (google it) has a very nice example setup. [18:14] doug_: OK, I kind of expected that. Hmmm, that's weird. This isn't the most popular method of fixing it, but if it's this broken... I'd say uninstall/reinstall the package and see what happens. Make sure it's calling in the right dependencies as well; 'mysql-server' is a metapackage [18:18] lukehasnoname: I've already done that several times....still doesn't install the files for /etc/mysql or /var/lib/mysql, and possibly others. [18:27] I don't know what to tell you doug_ [18:28] is it installing all dependencies correctly? [18:28] No messed up write permissions on those folders? [18:29] luke: I appreciate the help. It's just wierd and frustrating that installing the packages leaves it in a state without the config files and unstartable. :-) [18:29] I'm just reviewing the UEC setup instructions and wondering, is it possible to setup an all-in-one cluster controller and node on the same machine? [18:30] I just want to play with UEC, but I only have a single machine. [18:34] I gotta run for now. Thanks for the help and I'll be back later. [18:34] doug_: later. jkakar: I don't know. I would think so, however, I would think it'd be beneficial to have at least two computers to play with for UEC [18:35] lukehasnoname: Yeah, it probably would. [18:35] I'm just wondering if things like network discovery of nodes will work if the node is on the same machine as the controller. === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [19:02] Hi, I can install vnc4server witouth xorg? [19:05] <_ruben> m8: so you want to vnc into text-only machine? [19:05] <_ruben> ssh seems way more suited for that [19:05] __ruben: yes [19:06] but a want a virtual desktop for some apps... [19:06] *i want [19:06] <_ruben> err, what would a vnc session to a text-only machine offer more than a ssh terminal window? [19:06] i want to run a Xfce virtual desktop accessibile whit vnc.... if there are alternatives... tell me! [19:07] __ruben.... offer to run some apps.. i need [19:07] :o [19:07] <_ruben> so you want to run xfce on a machine without X, im not sure i understand what you're trying achieve [19:07] xfce on virtual desktop [19:08] <_ruben> define "virtual desktop" [19:09] an istance of X [19:09] in a headless pc [19:09] :o [19:10] <_ruben> X on a headless pc? .. that doesnt make sense at all .. tho perhaps this is what you want: machine A (a desktop) has X running, machine B (a server) is text only, you want to run graphical apps on B, but use the screen of A .. ? [19:13] .... [19:13] i want to run a Virtual Desktop(an instance of vnc4server) [19:14] m8: that's actually an x/y problem :) the solution to your real problem is running the vnc4server... what's the underlying problem? ie, what will you use the vnc4server for exactly? [19:15] <_ruben> exactly what im trying to find out, but am failing so to do so [19:15] * _ruben moves on [19:15] kane_ :) [19:16] for run X apps on a headless pc :D [19:17] m8: so you dont want to attach a monitor to the device. That still means you need X to run the graphical environment though. [19:17] ok [19:17] and I need xorg, right? [19:18] m8: i think the vnc4server package already depends on the libraries you need. [19:18] ok :) [19:18] and i need to install a desktop manager [19:19] like Xfce4 [19:19] it's right ? [19:19] m8: the ubuntu forums actually have a thread about this here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=690895 [19:19] ttx: what would the Vcs-Bzr: line in the debian/control be now that apache2 is apart of the distributed development thing [19:19] wow [19:19] :D [19:20] m8: yeah, you'll want a windowmanager -- you're basically setting up a 'normal' machine, except you're using your other pc as the screen [19:20] zul: what does it currently say ? [19:20] there isnt one there is the svn one for debian [19:20] ok :) [19:21] zul: I don't think you need to update it for DistributedDevelopment [19:21] I was just going to add Vcs-Bzr: https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache2 [19:21] meh I can always fix it later [19:22] zul: it superfluous since in the end they will all be [19:22] true [19:22] zul: but that's not incorrect ;) [19:22] ttx: thanks [19:43] kirkland, can you ask anthony to subscribe to "community-lucid-launchpad-upstream-improvements" and mark himself as essential, thus forcing it to be scheduled on a day he'll be there? [19:44] kirkland, I've got a solution to the patch thing I want to pitch to the lp team [19:44] having real upstreams there nodding profusedly would be sweet [19:44] jcastro: pasted your request to aliguori in #ubuntu-virt [19:45] kirkland, if there's any blueprint he feels he needs to be at making himself as essential will force the system to schedule it on those days [19:45] jcastro: cool [19:46] New bug: #476831 in samba (main) "package samba-common 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5 failed to install/upgrade: subprocesso instalado o programa post-installation retornou erro do status de sa?da 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/476831 === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [20:07] hello i have got troubles installing xen on x86_64 karmic (alternative / server kernel) - the problem is that i cannot boot using the xen kernel and grub (grub-pc) does not offer any options on boot [20:08] and i'm new to grub2 - missing the menu.lst -.- [20:13] kirkland, let's hallway discuss your kvm testing thing at UDS [20:13] I've wanted something like that for a long time [20:14] except I envisioned it right in the GUI for virt-manager [20:14] New->Ubuntu->Blah 7.10 [20:14] or whatever [20:15] no ideas so far? [20:18] anyone here use sbuild? [20:19] ? what the hell is going on with amavisd setup, the config is scattered over hells half acre!! [20:41] zzz20092: Standard for the package we get from Debian. [20:41] zzz20092: It's actually a lot saner than it first appears. [20:42] Make your changes in (IIRC) 50-user and it over-rides anything in the earlier config files. That way your changes never get over-ridden on upgrade. [20:49] during the install hwo can I completely format all the disks including existing grub to mbr installs. Also, how can I pick which disk to install grub to [20:54] ScottK: I tried putting my stuff in the 50-user, didn't do what i wanted it kept quarantining stuff rather than just discarding junk. [21:00] ScottK: I have a similar problem with the postfix setup, I have 4 log files (mail.err, mail.info, mail.log, mail.warn) all contain the same info, but I cannot find out where to turn the them off. [21:00] zzz20092: Then it's an issue with what you are putting in the file, not which file you are putting them in. [21:00] zzz20092: For postfix, .err and .warn have subsets of .log [21:01] So they aren't the same. [21:02] ScottK: the subsets contain the same info as the log, why bother just takes up space and confuses the issue. [21:03] Well if you are looking for just serious stuff, looking in .error or .warn is useful. [21:03] .error should be empty all the time anyway [21:04] for data partitions what is a good filesystem. [21:04] they will be doing a lot of network transfers [21:05] and not losing data is very important even though I am doing backups [21:06] ScottK: As a retired engineer I strongly believe in the KISS principal, and what I am seeing does not follow it. [21:07] zzz20092: Personally I think .info and .log is overkill, but I sometimes find a separate .warn/.error useful for troubleshooting. [21:07] Normally I only look at/grep .log [21:08] android6011: ext3 then. [21:08] ScottK: ditto [21:08] ScottK: why do you say ext3 [21:08] Because it's the most reliable/supported in the kernel today. [21:09] ResierFS is essentially unmaintained and has been for years. Ext4 still has open data loss bugs. [21:09] Ext2 isn't journaled. [21:09] Anything newer is just crack if you care about your data [21:13] so no xfs or jfs? [21:14] android6011: ext3 is probably the best for general use, but you haven't told use much about your data [21:14] zzz20092: like what [21:14] there are a lot of large video files etc I edit [21:15] android6011: I don't know enough about them to have confidence. [21:17] androd6011: i'd stick to ext3, xfs/jfs might be an option if you were storing lots of small files as they have sub-block allocation. [21:19] zzz20092: I do have a lot of small files too. I do web design on the side so I have tons of web projects stored at any given time [21:22] android6011: how much Linux experience do you have? [21:22] zzz20092: quite a bit [21:26] android6011: then you could try setting up 1 partition with ext3 and another with xfs, mount the as video and web_dev and use appropriately, on the other hand you could just use ext3 for everything and save yourself some trouble. === roaksoax__ is now known as RoAk [21:31] New bug: #476935 in squid (main) "Massively parallel builds make for very unhappy buildds" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/476935 [21:31] ok [21:32] also, how can I spin down a hard drive after being idle for say 1 hour. And is smart enabled by default, if so where is the info logged? if not how do i enable it [21:37] !info smartmontools [21:37] smartmontools (source: smartmontools): control and monitor storage systems using S.M.A.R.T.. In component main, is optional. Version 5.38-3ubuntu2 (karmic), package size 323 kB, installed size 804 kB [21:38] android6011: if memory serves smart is usually set in bios setup, you could also take a look smartmontools [21:40] zzz20092: you can enable SMART using command line toos === joseph_ is now known as crohakon [21:58] jmedina: Ok, I just took a quick look at smartmontools and gsmat.... not particularly useful I I IMHO [22:08] kirkland: thoughts on bug 445456? - heard a rumor you might have thoughts on it. [22:08] Launchpad bug 445456 in linux "kvm hangs booting windows XP Pro SP2 or later, since at least 2.6.28-15" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/445456 [22:38] i have a 8.04.3 LTS server, about every 2 weeks the load from apache goes through the roof and i have to do a forced restart. Any ideas why this happens? [22:39] . [22:39] l [22:41] helfire__: hard to guess without evidence, you need to look at your apache logs en syslog for related messages [22:41] probably a bad code application or a attack [22:54] jmedina: the weird thing is i dont see anything out of line in the logs, and it seams to be every 2 weeks to the day [22:54] but i'm going to browse through them again since it happened again today [22:55] my load always hovers around .20 even though nothing is running (atleast not shown in top or htop) [22:56] helfire__: can you see wehre the load is coming from at least? cpu, disk, network? [22:58] kane_: not really. maybe i'm not looking with the right tool [22:58] in syslog i'm seeing alot of spam mail getting rejected from www-data@myserver.com, kind of odd [22:59] :) [23:00] *from* the apache user? [23:00] ya [23:00] they are spmming trhgouth a web form or something? [23:00] .. is your apache sending mail to you? [23:00] no, well i dont have it configured to [23:00] atleast not a box that's real [23:00] lots of postfix warnings: warning: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to saslauthd server: Permission denied [23:02] seems worthwhile to chase that down [23:02] hmmm, i may have my postfix configured badly... [23:03] btw, htop should be good enough to show you what processees are causing the load and why [23:04] right before my forced reboot i have cron doing some mrtg stuff, and freshclam downloading new definitions [23:05] i am just shutting down my mail server as i dont use em :) [23:07] so i have cought about 100 apache2 proc's running before this happened, was too slow to get them with a kilall [23:07] that's a lot of processes -- is that by design? [23:07] no [23:08] not sure how that many got spawned [23:11] that's probably a good sign of resource exhaustion -- check the state of those... possibly they're zombies [23:11] [Fri Nov 06 03:00:28 2009] [error] server reached MaxClients setting, consider raising the MaxClients setting [23:12] that was near the lock up [23:12] looks like a bot trying to attack and find something [23:12] lots of weird requests and bad headers [23:12] firewall hoooooo! [23:13] haha [23:13] lots of ip's too [23:13] :/ [23:14] might have to change sshd to run on a different port too... noticing alot there [23:17] grep "an unknown filter was not added: PHP" apache2/error.log -c [23:17] 48916 [23:17] hmm should take care of that :) [23:17] this sever has "just worked" since 06, needs some TLC [23:30] ttt [23:33] how can i assign individual hostnames to each of my network cards [23:37] smackdaddy: in what sense? [23:37] as in, within what app? [23:38] well.. say a user connects via ssh to domain1.com it will show user@domain1.com... [23:38] on the console [23:38] and different fr each ip... [23:44] can i start up a backup sshd server incase changing ports on my default one messes up