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andreasnthe top suggestion for 'why are men' is 'pigs'00:37
andreasnI would like to have answers for 'why is the Internet always so angry'00:37
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thorwil"what it about" - a new low for the ubuntu-art list08:56
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kwwiihe is probably the worlds best artist who just can't communicate properly12:53
ckontros:P12:53
* thorwil imagines a poster with the slogan: ubuntu - it about humans13:18
undurundurAbout humans?13:19
* ckontros imagines thorwil's poster all zombie-fy'd. :P13:19
thorwilbrains!13:20
* ckontros goes to watch "Shaun Of The Dead:. :D13:21
undurundurUbuntu = human13:22
thorwilmac_v: simple click for paging works now, among a few cursor/cosmetic changes: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Et-w-/%2Bjunk/dynamic_scrollbar/download/head%3A/dynamic_scrollbar.py-20080816162703-x7ucp0vpno3hwmdb-1/dynamic_scrollbar.py15:48
thorwilbbiab15:48
mac_vthorwil_: hey , cool works great , i like the new arrows to show the direction... looks good ,16:08
mac_vthorwil_:  the right click works too ;p16:08
mac_vthorwil: could you add a delay after the first page scroll? that way the user might not accidentally scroll several pages16:11
mac_vit would also make it easier to hold the click to allow drag16:12
mac_vthorwil: hmm , i think i found a bug , when the page reaches the end , the down arrow is still displayed , while when the page is at the top , the up arrow does not exist , is this intentional , or a bug?16:16
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thorwilmac_v: you mean when dragging?16:32
mac_vthorwil: yeah , the first click ,  the pages srtart scrolling , if you add a delay , before the page scrolls again , that way the user will have time to hold the scrollbar and start dragging the direction they want16:33
mac_vstarts*16:33
mac_vthorwil: in right-click the labels 'start' & 'end' can be either ==> 'Top' & 'Bottom'  /   'Home' & 'end'16:36
thorwilthere is a delay already. i'll try making it a bit longer16:37
mac_voh , ok  , I didnt check the code , I'll try that too ;)16:37
mac_vthorwil: 'start' might be misread as user can are start some action16:38
thorwilmac_v: regarding the cursor, there is a bug if the pointer passes the top or bottom edge before the indicator reaches start or end. though not a bug in my code ... ;)16:38
mac_v;)16:39
thorwilmac_v: top/bottom or home/end don't seem any clearer to me16:40
mac_vthorwil: 'Home' is what we use in the keyboard16:41
thorwiltop/bottom might refer to the window edges or stacking. home would be a disaster for a web browser ;)16:41
thorwilmac_v: US keyboard?16:41
mac_vyeah16:41
mac_vthorwil: how about using 'Page top' and 'Page end' ?16:42
thorwilmac_v: unlikely to be misunderstood, but repeating words in a menu slows recognition down16:44
mac_vthorwil: yeah , exactly why i dint suggest in the first place ;p16:44
thorwil"beginning" might be an option16:45
mac_vtoo long16:45
mac_vthorwil: what is the name of the key in your keyboard?16:46
thorwilit's long but it has no other meanings like start and home16:46
thorwilmac_v: Pos 1. for Position 116:46
mac_vthorwil: hmm , then i think you need to keep the label to depend on the keyboard layout16:47
mac_vthat way it will stay similar and easier for the user16:47
thorwilmac_v: Home remains ungood in a browser scenario16:48
mac_vthorwil: but thats what is used in the keyboard , so why change it?16:48
thorwilbecause it doesn't strictly imply start/begining of a page16:49
mac_vthorwil: thats why i mentioned 'page top' and 'page end'16:51
mac_vthorwil: if you use ,'beginning'  , you might need to use 'ending' ? ;p16:51
mac_vthorwil: anyway , thats something for discussion for later  , you need not worry/be bothered about it now :)16:52
thorwiltaking horizontal scrolling into account, Top and Bottom might actually be the right choice for matching Left/Right16:53
mac_vyeah16:54
mac_vthorwil: delay of 300ms , seems good16:58
mac_vadorable ;p <No rights reserved, feel free to do whatever you want with this code, but it would be nice if you give me credit.# Thorsten Wilms 2009-11-06>17:08
zniavrehello17:13
ckontrosyo17:13
zniavrethere is a way to integrate dynamic scrollbar to a gtk window ?17:14
zniavrei would want to try it "in real"17:14
mac_vzniavre: you can run the py , it works in kinda in-real17:22
ckontrosYup. Just run the .py file. It *is* the demo. :)17:22
thorwilzniavre: writing the python code is already enough of a challenge for me. C in the middle of GTK+ would be too much ;)17:27
mac_vthorwil: make sure to show it to cody russell in UDS , he is atm doing stuff in gtk17:28
mac_v or nick > bratsche    ;)17:30
thorwilok, changed the delay to 250. fixed wrong cursor after context-menu: Bottom17:51
thorwilhrmpf, i knew my snippet from Ask_Mark would lead to a few useless comments. still felt the info should be shared :}17:54
ckontrosI was gonna say. Man, we've turned into a jaded bunch. :P17:54
zniavre_mac_v,  yes i already tried the .py18:13
zniavre_thorwil_,  i hope you can get some help to do it  (not from me )18:15
zniavre_the concept is good and "new"  (i mean it's not in another OS yet)18:16
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thorwilzniavre_: well, thanks :)18:48
mac_voops! what did i do > Bug #477686 , i assigned this bug to human-gtk-theme.. iirc the name is different18:48
ubottuLaunchpad bug 477686 in hundredpapercuts "too low contrast in checkboxes of update manager" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/47768618:48
* thorwil wonders what's up with his connection today18:48
mac_vah got it! , damn hyphens argh :/18:50
mac_vhttp://gizmodo.com/5395720/ask-the-artist-how-windows-7s-iconic-home-screen-evolved18:51
thorwil_mac_v: now we just someone to copy that style with the CoC. not :)19:11
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