[00:37] <andreasn> the top suggestion for 'why are men' is 'pigs'
[00:37] <andreasn> I would like to have answers for 'why is the Internet always so angry'
[08:56] <thorwil> "what it about" - a new low for the ubuntu-art list
[12:53] <kwwii> he is probably the worlds best artist who just can't communicate properly
[12:53] <ckontros> :P
[13:18]  * thorwil imagines a poster with the slogan: ubuntu - it about humans
[13:19] <undurundur> About humans?
[13:19]  * ckontros imagines thorwil's poster all zombie-fy'd. :P
[13:20] <thorwil> brains!
[13:21]  * ckontros goes to watch "Shaun Of The Dead:. :D
[13:22] <undurundur> Ubuntu = human
[15:48] <thorwil> mac_v: simple click for paging works now, among a few cursor/cosmetic changes: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Et-w-/%2Bjunk/dynamic_scrollbar/download/head%3A/dynamic_scrollbar.py-20080816162703-x7ucp0vpno3hwmdb-1/dynamic_scrollbar.py
[15:48] <thorwil> bbiab
[16:08] <mac_v> thorwil_: hey , cool works great , i like the new arrows to show the direction... looks good ,
[16:08] <mac_v> thorwil_:  the right click works too ;p
[16:11] <mac_v> thorwil: could you add a delay after the first page scroll? that way the user might not accidentally scroll several pages
[16:12] <mac_v> it would also make it easier to hold the click to allow drag
[16:16] <mac_v> thorwil: hmm , i think i found a bug , when the page reaches the end , the down arrow is still displayed , while when the page is at the top , the up arrow does not exist , is this intentional , or a bug?
[16:32] <thorwil> mac_v: you mean when dragging?
[16:33] <mac_v> thorwil: yeah , the first click ,  the pages srtart scrolling , if you add a delay , before the page scrolls again , that way the user will have time to hold the scrollbar and start dragging the direction they want
[16:33] <mac_v> starts*
[16:36] <mac_v> thorwil: in right-click the labels 'start' & 'end' can be either ==> 'Top' & 'Bottom'  /   'Home' & 'end'
[16:37] <thorwil> there is a delay already. i'll try making it a bit longer
[16:37] <mac_v> oh , ok  , I didnt check the code , I'll try that too ;)
[16:38] <mac_v> thorwil: 'start' might be misread as user can are start some action
[16:38] <thorwil> mac_v: regarding the cursor, there is a bug if the pointer passes the top or bottom edge before the indicator reaches start or end. though not a bug in my code ... ;)
[16:39] <mac_v> ;)
[16:40] <thorwil> mac_v: top/bottom or home/end don't seem any clearer to me
[16:41] <mac_v> thorwil: 'Home' is what we use in the keyboard
[16:41] <thorwil> top/bottom might refer to the window edges or stacking. home would be a disaster for a web browser ;)
[16:41] <thorwil> mac_v: US keyboard?
[16:41] <mac_v> yeah
[16:42] <mac_v> thorwil: how about using 'Page top' and 'Page end' ?
[16:44] <thorwil> mac_v: unlikely to be misunderstood, but repeating words in a menu slows recognition down
[16:44] <mac_v> thorwil: yeah , exactly why i dint suggest in the first place ;p
[16:45] <thorwil> "beginning" might be an option
[16:45] <mac_v> too long
[16:46] <mac_v> thorwil: what is the name of the key in your keyboard?
[16:46] <thorwil> it's long but it has no other meanings like start and home
[16:46] <thorwil> mac_v: Pos 1. for Position 1
[16:47] <mac_v> thorwil: hmm , then i think you need to keep the label to depend on the keyboard layout
[16:47] <mac_v> that way it will stay similar and easier for the user
[16:48] <thorwil> mac_v: Home remains ungood in a browser scenario
[16:48] <mac_v> thorwil: but thats what is used in the keyboard , so why change it?
[16:49] <thorwil> because it doesn't strictly imply start/begining of a page
[16:51] <mac_v> thorwil: thats why i mentioned 'page top' and 'page end'
[16:51] <mac_v> thorwil: if you use ,'beginning'  , you might need to use 'ending' ? ;p
[16:52] <mac_v> thorwil: anyway , thats something for discussion for later  , you need not worry/be bothered about it now :)
[16:53] <thorwil> taking horizontal scrolling into account, Top and Bottom might actually be the right choice for matching Left/Right
[16:54] <mac_v> yeah
[16:58] <mac_v> thorwil: delay of 300ms , seems good
[17:08] <mac_v> adorable ;p <No rights reserved, feel free to do whatever you want with this code, but it would be nice if you give me credit.# Thorsten Wilms 2009-11-06>
[17:13] <zniavre> hello
[17:13] <ckontros> yo
[17:14] <zniavre> there is a way to integrate dynamic scrollbar to a gtk window ?
[17:14] <zniavre> i would want to try it "in real"
[17:22] <mac_v> zniavre: you can run the py , it works in kinda in-real
[17:22] <ckontros> Yup. Just run the .py file. It *is* the demo. :)
[17:27] <thorwil> zniavre: writing the python code is already enough of a challenge for me. C in the middle of GTK+ would be too much ;)
[17:28] <mac_v> thorwil: make sure to show it to cody russell in UDS , he is atm doing stuff in gtk
[17:30] <mac_v>  or nick > bratsche    ;)
[17:51] <thorwil> ok, changed the delay to 250. fixed wrong cursor after context-menu: Bottom
[17:54] <thorwil> hrmpf, i knew my snippet from Ask_Mark would lead to a few useless comments. still felt the info should be shared :}
[17:54] <ckontros> I was gonna say. Man, we've turned into a jaded bunch. :P
[18:13] <zniavre_> mac_v,  yes i already tried the .py
[18:15] <zniavre_> thorwil_,  i hope you can get some help to do it  (not from me )
[18:16] <zniavre_> the concept is good and "new"  (i mean it's not in another OS yet)
[18:48] <thorwil> zniavre_: well, thanks :)
[18:48] <mac_v> oops! what did i do > Bug #477686 , i assigned this bug to human-gtk-theme.. iirc the name is different
[18:48]  * thorwil wonders what's up with his connection today
[18:50] <mac_v> ah got it! , damn hyphens argh :/
[18:51] <mac_v> http://gizmodo.com/5395720/ask-the-artist-how-windows-7s-iconic-home-screen-evolved
[19:11] <thorwil_> mac_v: now we just someone to copy that style with the CoC. not :)