| cprofitt | pleia2, you here? | 00:20 |
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| cprofitt | doctormo, you here? | 00:20 |
| doctormo | cprofitt: sure am | 00:20 |
| pleia2 | hey | 00:20 |
| cprofitt | cool :-) | 00:20 |
| pleia2 | oh - WRT monday, I don't actually have a lug meeting, we moved it to tuesday | 00:20 |
| pleia2 | so we can meet up before 11PM ;) | 00:21 |
| cprofitt | do we have time to hash out some of the 'foundation' items I was talking about? | 00:21 |
| doctormo | yes | 00:23 |
| pleia2 | yep | 00:23 |
| cprofitt | k... | 00:23 |
| cprofitt | let me try to explain, the best I can, the concept I have in my head | 00:23 |
| cprofitt | I saw UCLP as a vehicle to enable others to contribute 'courses' to the community | 00:23 |
| cprofitt | to do that our 'main' focus would be developing a framework for those courses to be developed and published in. | 00:24 |
| cprofitt | we also might 'recruit' course writers and trainers | 00:24 |
| cprofitt | give advice on how to 'deliver' an in-person class or IRC class, etc | 00:25 |
| cprofitt | is that something you guys can agree with? | 00:25 |
| pleia2 | I think so | 00:27 |
| pleia2 | I think it's the specifics of "developing a framework for those courses to be developed and published in" is what is unclear | 00:28 |
| cprofitt | ok... let me try to clarify | 00:30 |
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| cprofitt | we need to develop the framework -- wiki (discuss/brainstorm/organize), asciidoc (base format), PDF (in-person/IRC handouts), Moodle (synchronous or asynchronous) on-line learning | 00:31 |
| cprofitt | so that is, I believe, our intended framework... | 00:32 |
| cprofitt | courses obviously are part -- material to read and then 'knowledge evaluation' in the form of assignments or questions. | 00:33 |
| cprofitt | in our case we are not grading anyone -- so the evaluation is more of a guide for a person to know if they have to review more | 00:33 |
| cprofitt | its an understanding check | 00:33 |
| cprofitt | so we also have to have what we consider the basic components of a course (which cross platforms) and perhaps some parts that are particular to a format. | 00:34 |
| cprofitt | following? | 00:34 |
| cprofitt | To give an example: | 00:34 |
| doctormo | The way I sort of understand it is, you have material creation, teacher preperation and then the class organisation aspects. | 00:34 |
| doctormo | So there may be a function of pleia2 or myself having some sort of framework for recording what classes we're going to teach, or encouraging others to record when classes will be taught. | 00:35 |
| cprofitt | In-Person courses would have a teacher outline... an Asynchronous Moodle course would simply have a course outline for the student... or objectives | 00:35 |
| cprofitt | I would not call it recording... | 00:35 |
| cprofitt | but we may have people who are not familiar with writing curriculum | 00:36 |
| doctormo | cprofitt: Internal teaching? | 00:36 |
| pleia2 | sorry, getting dragged off by texans | 00:36 |
| * pleia2 catches up | 00:36 | |
| cprofitt | and we should help them to understand what a course consists of | 00:36 |
| cprofitt | so they can take their knowledge and build a useful course | 00:36 |
| cprofitt | doctormo, its like how you organized some of your courses... | 00:37 |
| cprofitt | * Lesson Plan for teachers | 00:37 |
| cprofitt | * Presentation Slides | 00:37 |
| cprofitt | * Overview Sheet | 00:37 |
| cprofitt | * Practical Sheet | 00:37 |
| cprofitt | * Cheat Sheet | 00:37 |
| cprofitt | * Sample Files | 00:37 |
| cprofitt | I think the common features would be the Lesson Plan, Overview, Practical | 00:38 |
| cprofitt | though in Moodle the practical is the 'questions' in quizzes or assignments that people are asked to complete | 00:38 |
| cprofitt | Slides -- would be course material, but Moodle would not call them slides | 00:39 |
| doctormo | Aye, teaching that is important, I've always thought so. | 00:39 |
| cprofitt | if you follow | 00:39 |
| cprofitt | a person who knows a cubic butt-tonne about debugging may not know how to make a course properly | 00:39 |
| * pleia2 nods | 00:39 | |
| doctormo | I would call that the mechanics of course writing, getting the jist of how a lesson is layed out best and so forth. | 00:39 |
| cprofitt | so we need to have an outline for each course type -- as some components of in-person courses do not work well in IRC courses | 00:40 |
| cprofitt | etc | 00:40 |
| cprofitt | doctormo, yes... | 00:40 |
| cprofitt | I think we should have outlines or 'templates' for people to follow | 00:40 |
| doctormo | One of the things I wanted to do was gather a handful of classes in the teching section and then schedual regular lessons in here for our contributors. | 00:40 |
| cprofitt | for me this is important to really taking 'volunteers' and having them be able to contribute | 00:40 |
| cprofitt | sounds good doctormo | 00:40 |
| cprofitt | ... | 00:41 |
| cprofitt | this is why I thought we should each write one course in each format... | 00:41 |
| cprofitt | then work through as a team -- what worked and did not work about it -- | 00:41 |
| doctormo | cprofitt: Since i've taught a person how to do the asciidoc stuff, and even though it's not perfect, would you like to go through it with me? | 00:41 |
| cprofitt | and revise it... | 00:41 |
| cprofitt | so we all feel comfortable with the 'parts' | 00:42 |
| cprofitt | doctormo, I would. | 00:42 |
| cprofitt | In a perfect world though we should have you write a course on it... | 00:42 |
| cprofitt | and then in the process of my learning it I can transcribe it to asciidoc | 00:42 |
| cprofitt | I mean from asciidoc to Moodle | 00:42 |
| cprofitt | then we will have an in-person course and Moodle course on using asciidocs | 00:43 |
| cprofitt | then I can write a course on how to use Moodle (the one I uploaded was brutally bad) | 00:43 |
| doctormo | Yes, that sounds efficient, there are some quirks I need to work out still remaining. TBH I've not been as attentive as I would have liked to my list of things to do on those classes. | 00:43 |
| cprofitt | and you can take that course and transcribe it in to asciidco | 00:43 |
| doctormo | cprofitt: That sound sgreat | 00:44 |
| cprofitt | then again, we have two courses one in each format... | 00:44 |
| cprofitt | then pleia2 can take both and see if we can fit them as IRC courses as well | 00:44 |
| pleia2 | I think the quirks of the workflow will get sorted out as we start plowing into development | 00:44 |
| cprofitt | now we have our 'templates' that also serve as lessons on how to 'build' a course | 00:44 |
| cprofitt | pleia2, I agree... | 00:44 |
| doctormo | cprofitt: Can you script at all? write code? | 00:45 |
| cprofitt | but I think developing the courses that help other people write courses is likely a more fruitful venture than some of the other items we have on the list so far. | 00:45 |
| popey | its certainly a good place to start | 00:45 |
| cprofitt | doctormo, I can write in C#, do a bit of PowerShell, a bit of Bash, VB.net, and a bit of Python | 00:45 |
| pleia2 | yeah, which is why the work doctormo has been doing with BiosElement and nigel_nb is so important right now | 00:46 |
| cprofitt | thanks popey - I think it works to kill three birds with one stone | 00:46 |
| * doctormo winces | 00:46 | |
| cprofitt | poor birds | 00:46 |
| doctormo | I think so. | 00:46 |
| cprofitt | they were just virtual doctormo :-) | 00:46 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 00:46 |
| doctormo | To clarify, I think writing those courses is a good idea | 00:46 |
| cprofitt | good... | 00:46 |
| cprofitt | that relieves me... | 00:46 |
| doctormo | I know we will have to rewrite them a few times as we go through it | 00:47 |
| cprofitt | because I think it does the following: | 00:47 |
| cprofitt | A) Gets courses written | 00:47 |
| cprofitt | B) Trains others | 00:47 |
| cprofitt | C) refines our workflow | 00:47 |
| cprofitt | wait... a few more | 00:47 |
| popey | teach a $person to $activity | 00:47 |
| cprofitt | D) Helps the team 'gel' by understanding each other | 00:47 |
| cprofitt | lol | 00:48 |
| cprofitt | yep, popey | 00:48 |
| cprofitt | we also need to develop a course on BZR -- for those that may not be familiar with that and want to participate | 00:48 |
| cprofitt | so... in the next few weeks I will focus on writing a course on using Moodle. | 00:49 |
| cprofitt | Doc and bios can write a course on using asciidoc | 00:49 |
| pleia2 | yes, nigel_nb is writing the bzr course | 00:49 |
| cprofitt | great | 00:49 |
| pleia2 | bios has written an asciidoc course | 00:49 |
| pleia2 | so we're well on our way :) | 00:50 |
| cprofitt | pleia2, do you have a link to that... I want to bookmark it | 00:50 |
| cprofitt | that way I can plan on starting to transcribe it to Moodle when I get done with the Moodle course | 00:50 |
| pleia2 | doctormo: are these accessible by normal people in bzr? | 00:50 |
| pleia2 | they might both still be in development | 00:50 |
| doctormo | pleia2: available in not trunk branches | 00:51 |
| doctormo | none* | 00:51 |
| cprofitt | so... our courses on how to use asciidoc, bzr and Moodle will be in 'spread ubuntu' section right? | 00:52 |
| doctormo | cprofitt: So far they've been going into How to Teach | 00:53 |
| doctormo | Although the sense of that is tagental. | 00:53 |
| pleia2 | teach ubuntu | 00:53 |
| cprofitt | http://learn.ufbt.net/course/index.php?categoryedit=on | 00:56 |
| cprofitt | I was looking at what was in Moodle... | 00:56 |
| cprofitt | perhaps I need to change one of the categories? | 00:56 |
| pleia2 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/TeachingTopics is what you're talking about | 00:57 |
| pleia2 | and that's our "How to Teach" | 00:57 |
| pleia2 | which isn't a category there in moodle | 00:57 |
| doctormo | Aye, the one with the morterboard. | 00:57 |
| cprofitt | Publishing to Moodle (and why you can't) ? | 00:57 |
| pleia2 | I think "and why you can't" is because "our moodle site isn't done yet" | 00:58 |
| doctormo | I always felt like that category was for sort of internal training of all kinds, moodle, teaching, asciidoc, bzr, anything that gets contributors up to speed. | 00:58 |
| pleia2 | but the moodle site is fine, we can finish theming later | 00:58 |
| doctormo | Aye, that was written ages ago, can be removed IMO | 00:59 |
| cprofitt | k -- I can add the category... | 00:59 |
| cprofitt | woah... we are removing How to Teach... I just got lost | 00:59 |
| pleia2 | no no, removing "(and why you can't)" | 01:01 |
| cprofitt | ok... | 01:01 |
| pleia2 | because we can publish to moodle now! :) | 01:01 |
| pleia2 | but yes, please add the How to Teach category to moodle | 01:01 |
| cprofitt | http://learn.ufbt.net/course/index.php?categoryedit=on | 01:02 |
| cprofitt | added the category | 01:02 |
| pleia2 | yay :) | 01:02 |
| doctormo | Perfect | 01:02 |
| doctormo | cprofitt: sorry about my unclarrity. | 01:03 |
| cprofitt | doctormo, no big deal... it was nice to just flesh it out... | 01:12 |
| cprofitt | I will start to work on the Moodle course and put the installation course on hold | 01:12 |
| cprofitt | feel free to look at that one or the other that are already published there | 01:12 |
| cprofitt | I need to go spend some time with the children... then get them off to bed... | 01:13 |
| cprofitt | bbiab | 01:13 |
| doctormo | cprofitt: Sounds like a good way forward, I will work on the bzr and asciidoc sections, although I'd also like some time to do a few of these scripts that will produce the pdfs, htmls and help illiminate the bzr complexity by dealing with the users keys for them. | 01:22 |
| pleia2 | yay scripts | 01:23 |
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| cprofitt | pleia2, and doctormo are you both still here? | 03:26 |
| cprofitt | pleia2 you in the room? | 04:44 |
| pleia2 | cprofitt: getting ready to head to bed | 04:44 |
| pleia2 | I want to be on the road by 10AM tomorrow, so I can't stay up late :) | 04:44 |
| cprofitt | tell me what you think of this -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-p2KqU7QD4 | 04:44 |
| cprofitt | when you get a chance... | 04:45 |
| cprofitt | not tonight | 04:45 |
| joe__ | I am unable to play video... 9.10, fresh install get "internal data stream error" any ideas? | 05:27 |
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| doctormo | Hey swoody, how are things going? | 20:19 |
| swoody | doctormo, oh I can't complain, thank you :) | 20:19 |
| swoody | doctormo, how did your birthday turn out?? | 20:19 |
| doctormo | swoody: Good, I got a hard drive and taken out to dinner twice, both times had lovely chicken katsu. | 20:20 |
| swoody | doctormo, very nice :) | 20:20 |
| doctormo | Thanks, and yourself? good weekend? | 20:22 |
| nigel_nb | doctormo: belated birthday wishes :) | 20:29 |
| swoody | doctormo, so far :) | 20:30 |
| swoody | been working a bit harder trying to find work, so hopefully something comes of it :) | 20:30 |
| swoody | have some really great leads from some Chicago Loco guys | 20:31 |
| doctormo | thanks nigel_nb :-) so many good wishes. | 20:31 |
| nigel_nb | doctormo: not as bad as mine | 20:31 |
| doctormo | swoody: Sounds good, our LoCo Karmic party is tonight | 20:31 |
| nigel_nb | doctormo: kept getting calls from 12 am | 20:31 |
| swoody | doctormo, very nice! I hope you guys have a great time :) | 20:32 |
| doctormo | nigel_nb: What kind of calls? | 20:32 |
| nigel_nb | till 4 p.m., I think by buddies coordinated it.... birthday wishes | 20:32 |
| doctormo | swoody: We shall see, I think the venue will be too small, but we shall see. | 20:32 |
| swoody | doctormo, ours is next Saturday, where I'll also be giving a presentation on Folding@Home :) | 20:32 |
| nigel_nb | doctormo: my phone was ringing every 30 mins or so | 20:32 |
| swoody | doctormo, well, it'll be 'intimate' then ;) | 20:32 |
| doctormo | nigel_nb: That's brilliant, that means you have some really good, close knit friends. | 20:33 |
| nigel_nb | doctormo: yeah. :) | 20:33 |
| doctormo | swoody: No presentations at ours, just drink, food and social talk. We save the work for Tuesdays since we do that every week. | 20:33 |
| swoody | heh, yeah I'm sure there will be no shortage of drinking and socializing ;) | 20:34 |
| swoody | that is pretty nice that you guys get together once a week... | 20:34 |
| swoody | the Chicago LUG is like that, but not the Loco :/ | 20:35 |
| nigel_nb | doctormo: is there a plenary about uclp at the uds? | 20:35 |
| doctormo | nigel_nb: No, but there is a session for it. | 20:40 |
| nigel_nb | doctormo: when is it scheduled, is that ready yet? | 20:40 |
| doctormo | nigel_nb: I don't know if it's scedualed yet, but it is a blueprint | 20:48 |
| nigel_nb | doctormo: if possible, I'll participate as a remote user | 20:51 |
| doctormo | nigel_nb: Of course, we hope to put it on IRC, and you might be able to dial in for sound. | 20:54 |
| nigel_nb | oh great :) | 20:54 |
| nigel_nb | do update the mailing list with the room and time | 20:54 |
| doctormo | OK, it'll go on the schedual for UDS, so it might change, but I'll try and keep everyone posted. | 21:01 |
| nigel_nb | great. thanks doctormo :) | 21:12 |
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