[00:20] pleia2, you here? [00:20] doctormo, you here? [00:20] cprofitt: sure am [00:20] hey [00:20] cool :-) [00:20] oh - WRT monday, I don't actually have a lug meeting, we moved it to tuesday [00:21] so we can meet up before 11PM ;) [00:21] do we have time to hash out some of the 'foundation' items I was talking about? [00:23] yes [00:23] yep [00:23] k... [00:23] let me try to explain, the best I can, the concept I have in my head [00:23] I saw UCLP as a vehicle to enable others to contribute 'courses' to the community [00:24] to do that our 'main' focus would be developing a framework for those courses to be developed and published in. [00:24] we also might 'recruit' course writers and trainers [00:25] give advice on how to 'deliver' an in-person class or IRC class, etc [00:25] is that something you guys can agree with? [00:27] I think so [00:28] I think it's the specifics of "developing a framework for those courses to be developed and published in" is what is unclear [00:30] ok... let me try to clarify === swoody_ is now known as swoody [00:31] we need to develop the framework -- wiki (discuss/brainstorm/organize), asciidoc (base format), PDF (in-person/IRC handouts), Moodle (synchronous or asynchronous) on-line learning [00:32] so that is, I believe, our intended framework... [00:33] courses obviously are part -- material to read and then 'knowledge evaluation' in the form of assignments or questions. [00:33] in our case we are not grading anyone -- so the evaluation is more of a guide for a person to know if they have to review more [00:33] its an understanding check [00:34] so we also have to have what we consider the basic components of a course (which cross platforms) and perhaps some parts that are particular to a format. [00:34] following? [00:34] To give an example: [00:34] The way I sort of understand it is, you have material creation, teacher preperation and then the class organisation aspects. [00:35] So there may be a function of pleia2 or myself having some sort of framework for recording what classes we're going to teach, or encouraging others to record when classes will be taught. [00:35] In-Person courses would have a teacher outline... an Asynchronous Moodle course would simply have a course outline for the student... or objectives [00:35] I would not call it recording... [00:36] but we may have people who are not familiar with writing curriculum [00:36] cprofitt: Internal teaching? [00:36] sorry, getting dragged off by texans [00:36] * pleia2 catches up [00:36] and we should help them to understand what a course consists of [00:36] so they can take their knowledge and build a useful course [00:37] doctormo, its like how you organized some of your courses... [00:37] * Lesson Plan for teachers [00:37] * Presentation Slides [00:37] * Overview Sheet [00:37] * Practical Sheet [00:37] * Cheat Sheet [00:37] * Sample Files [00:38] I think the common features would be the Lesson Plan, Overview, Practical [00:38] though in Moodle the practical is the 'questions' in quizzes or assignments that people are asked to complete [00:39] Slides -- would be course material, but Moodle would not call them slides [00:39] Aye, teaching that is important, I've always thought so. [00:39] if you follow [00:39] a person who knows a cubic butt-tonne about debugging may not know how to make a course properly [00:39] * pleia2 nods [00:39] I would call that the mechanics of course writing, getting the jist of how a lesson is layed out best and so forth. [00:40] so we need to have an outline for each course type -- as some components of in-person courses do not work well in IRC courses [00:40] etc [00:40] doctormo, yes... [00:40] I think we should have outlines or 'templates' for people to follow [00:40] One of the things I wanted to do was gather a handful of classes in the teching section and then schedual regular lessons in here for our contributors. [00:40] for me this is important to really taking 'volunteers' and having them be able to contribute [00:40] sounds good doctormo [00:41] ... [00:41] this is why I thought we should each write one course in each format... [00:41] then work through as a team -- what worked and did not work about it -- [00:41] cprofitt: Since i've taught a person how to do the asciidoc stuff, and even though it's not perfect, would you like to go through it with me? [00:41] and revise it... [00:42] so we all feel comfortable with the 'parts' [00:42] doctormo, I would. [00:42] In a perfect world though we should have you write a course on it... [00:42] and then in the process of my learning it I can transcribe it to asciidoc [00:42] I mean from asciidoc to Moodle [00:43] then we will have an in-person course and Moodle course on using asciidocs [00:43] then I can write a course on how to use Moodle (the one I uploaded was brutally bad) [00:43] Yes, that sounds efficient, there are some quirks I need to work out still remaining. TBH I've not been as attentive as I would have liked to my list of things to do on those classes. [00:43] and you can take that course and transcribe it in to asciidco [00:44] cprofitt: That sound sgreat [00:44] then again, we have two courses one in each format... [00:44] then pleia2 can take both and see if we can fit them as IRC courses as well [00:44] I think the quirks of the workflow will get sorted out as we start plowing into development [00:44] now we have our 'templates' that also serve as lessons on how to 'build' a course [00:44] pleia2, I agree... [00:45] cprofitt: Can you script at all? write code? [00:45] but I think developing the courses that help other people write courses is likely a more fruitful venture than some of the other items we have on the list so far. [00:45] its certainly a good place to start [00:45] doctormo, I can write in C#, do a bit of PowerShell, a bit of Bash, VB.net, and a bit of Python [00:46] yeah, which is why the work doctormo has been doing with BiosElement and nigel_nb is so important right now [00:46] thanks popey - I think it works to kill three birds with one stone [00:46] * doctormo winces [00:46] poor birds [00:46] I think so. [00:46] they were just virtual doctormo :-) [00:46] hehe [00:46] To clarify, I think writing those courses is a good idea [00:46] good... [00:46] that relieves me... [00:47] I know we will have to rewrite them a few times as we go through it [00:47] because I think it does the following: [00:47] A) Gets courses written [00:47] B) Trains others [00:47] C) refines our workflow [00:47] wait... a few more [00:47] teach a $person to $activity [00:47] D) Helps the team 'gel' by understanding each other [00:48] lol [00:48] yep, popey [00:48] we also need to develop a course on BZR -- for those that may not be familiar with that and want to participate [00:49] so... in the next few weeks I will focus on writing a course on using Moodle. [00:49] Doc and bios can write a course on using asciidoc [00:49] yes, nigel_nb is writing the bzr course [00:49] great [00:49] bios has written an asciidoc course [00:50] so we're well on our way :) [00:50] pleia2, do you have a link to that... I want to bookmark it [00:50] that way I can plan on starting to transcribe it to Moodle when I get done with the Moodle course [00:50] doctormo: are these accessible by normal people in bzr? [00:50] they might both still be in development [00:51] pleia2: available in not trunk branches [00:51] none* [00:52] so... our courses on how to use asciidoc, bzr and Moodle will be in 'spread ubuntu' section right? [00:53] cprofitt: So far they've been going into How to Teach [00:53] Although the sense of that is tagental. [00:53] teach ubuntu [00:56] http://learn.ufbt.net/course/index.php?categoryedit=on [00:56] I was looking at what was in Moodle... [00:56] perhaps I need to change one of the categories? [00:57] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/TeachingTopics is what you're talking about [00:57] and that's our "How to Teach" [00:57] which isn't a category there in moodle [00:57] Aye, the one with the morterboard. [00:57] Publishing to Moodle (and why you can't) ? [00:58] I think "and why you can't" is because "our moodle site isn't done yet" [00:58] I always felt like that category was for sort of internal training of all kinds, moodle, teaching, asciidoc, bzr, anything that gets contributors up to speed. [00:58] but the moodle site is fine, we can finish theming later [00:59] Aye, that was written ages ago, can be removed IMO [00:59] k -- I can add the category... [00:59] woah... we are removing How to Teach... I just got lost [01:01] no no, removing "(and why you can't)" [01:01] ok... [01:01] because we can publish to moodle now! :) [01:01] but yes, please add the How to Teach category to moodle [01:02] http://learn.ufbt.net/course/index.php?categoryedit=on [01:02] added the category [01:02] yay :) [01:02] Perfect [01:03] cprofitt: sorry about my unclarrity. [01:12] doctormo, no big deal... it was nice to just flesh it out... [01:12] I will start to work on the Moodle course and put the installation course on hold [01:12] feel free to look at that one or the other that are already published there [01:13] I need to go spend some time with the children... then get them off to bed... [01:13] bbiab [01:22] cprofitt: Sounds like a good way forward, I will work on the bzr and asciidoc sections, although I'd also like some time to do a few of these scripts that will produce the pdfs, htmls and help illiminate the bzr complexity by dealing with the users keys for them. [01:23] yay scripts === starcraft is now known as starcraftman [03:26] pleia2, and doctormo are you both still here? [04:44] pleia2 you in the room? [04:44] cprofitt: getting ready to head to bed [04:44] I want to be on the road by 10AM tomorrow, so I can't stay up late :) [04:44] tell me what you think of this -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-p2KqU7QD4 [04:45] when you get a chance... [04:45] not tonight [05:27] I am unable to play video... 9.10, fresh install get "internal data stream error" any ideas? === That_Wiki_Guy is now known as ZachK_ [20:19] Hey swoody, how are things going? [20:19] doctormo, oh I can't complain, thank you :) [20:19] doctormo, how did your birthday turn out?? [20:20] swoody: Good, I got a hard drive and taken out to dinner twice, both times had lovely chicken katsu. [20:20] doctormo, very nice :) [20:22] Thanks, and yourself? good weekend? [20:29] doctormo: belated birthday wishes :) [20:30] doctormo, so far :) [20:30] been working a bit harder trying to find work, so hopefully something comes of it :) [20:31] have some really great leads from some Chicago Loco guys [20:31] thanks nigel_nb :-) so many good wishes. [20:31] doctormo: not as bad as mine [20:31] swoody: Sounds good, our LoCo Karmic party is tonight [20:31] doctormo: kept getting calls from 12 am [20:32] doctormo, very nice! I hope you guys have a great time :) [20:32] nigel_nb: What kind of calls? [20:32] till 4 p.m., I think by buddies coordinated it.... birthday wishes [20:32] swoody: We shall see, I think the venue will be too small, but we shall see. [20:32] doctormo, ours is next Saturday, where I'll also be giving a presentation on Folding@Home :) [20:32] doctormo: my phone was ringing every 30 mins or so [20:32] doctormo, well, it'll be 'intimate' then ;) [20:33] nigel_nb: That's brilliant, that means you have some really good, close knit friends. [20:33] doctormo: yeah. :) [20:33] swoody: No presentations at ours, just drink, food and social talk. We save the work for Tuesdays since we do that every week. [20:34] heh, yeah I'm sure there will be no shortage of drinking and socializing ;) [20:34] that is pretty nice that you guys get together once a week... [20:35] the Chicago LUG is like that, but not the Loco :/ [20:35] doctormo: is there a plenary about uclp at the uds? [20:40] nigel_nb: No, but there is a session for it. [20:40] doctormo: when is it scheduled, is that ready yet? [20:48] nigel_nb: I don't know if it's scedualed yet, but it is a blueprint [20:51] doctormo: if possible, I'll participate as a remote user [20:54] nigel_nb: Of course, we hope to put it on IRC, and you might be able to dial in for sound. [20:54] oh great :) [20:54] do update the mailing list with the room and time [21:01] OK, it'll go on the schedual for UDS, so it might change, but I'll try and keep everyone posted. [21:12] great. thanks doctormo :) === talsemgeest is now known as the_wolf === the_wolf is now known as Guest20043 === Guest20043 is now known as talsemgeest