[07:23] <eagles0513875> hi hbbs
[07:42] <EruditeHermit> hey, do you guys know anything about network-manager?
[07:42] <EruditeHermit> it is reporting that my zd1211rw card has a 1Mb/s speed, but it should be 54Mb/s
[07:42] <EruditeHermit> is it just a bug in reporting, or do you think the speed is actually that
[07:42] <eagles0513875> EruditeHermit: how far are you away from the router
[07:43] <EruditeHermit> right next to it
[07:43] <EruditeHermit> less than 1m
[07:43] <dtchen> the dreaded zd1211rw.
[07:43] <EruditeHermit> dtchen, do you know of any good USB wireless devices?
[07:43] <EruditeHermit> for Linux
[07:43] <eagles0513875> EruditeHermit: not sure how accurate it could be then me on kubuntu it shows 54 when im close to the router
[07:44] <EruditeHermit> eagles0513875, jaunty or karmic?
[07:44] <dtchen> EruditeHermit: I can recommend the ar9170-based ones highly
[07:44] <eagles0513875> karmic
[07:44] <eagles0513875> but kubuntu
[07:44] <dtchen> currently I'm using a Netgear WNDA3100
[07:45] <EruditeHermit> wow thats $80
[07:45] <eagles0513875> then again the plasma widget nm on kubuntu has been hell though
[07:46] <dtchen> it's the best $80 I spent
[07:46] <dtchen> allowed me to drop the closed wl driver for Broadcom devices on the floor
[07:46] <EruditeHermit> eagles0513875, my jaunty install reports 54Mb/s
[07:46] <dtchen> the ar9170 is completely open with open firmware
[07:47] <eagles0513875> EruditeHermit: i would report a bug against the network manager
[07:49] <EruditeHermit> dtchen, I just booted karmic with 2.6.28 kernel and it reports 54Mb/s
[07:50] <dtchen> 2.6.28 is very, very different from 2.6.31 in terms of the wireless stack
[07:50] <EruditeHermit> also my alsa doesn't work when I boot with 2.6.28
[07:50] <dtchen> well, yeah, I've explained that bit quite a few times
[07:51] <dtchen> that's due to the older kernel emitting different uevents, so the newer udev flails
[07:51] <EruditeHermit> ah
[07:51] <EruditeHermit> so is there a workaround for that?
[07:51] <dtchen> don't use 2.6.28?
[07:51] <EruditeHermit> there is a bug with Catalyst driver that makes 2.6.31 really slow
[07:52] <EruditeHermit> err makes the graphics drawing to screen slow
[07:52] <EruditeHermit> dtchen, would kernel 2.6.30 have the same uevents as 2.6.31?
[07:52] <dtchen> no
[07:53] <dtchen> you need 2.6.31+ for 9.10's udev
[07:53] <dtchen> that said, if you *really* want to use 2.6.28, you can, but it's really a PITA
[07:53] <EruditeHermit> ok
[07:53] <dtchen> you'll end up creating symlinks everywhere on every boot
[07:54] <EruditeHermit> nah, its not unusable
[07:54] <EruditeHermit> i'll bear with 2.6.31 until they fix it
[07:54] <EruditeHermit> and the network-manager thing seems to be a reporting probem
[07:54] <eagles0513875> i would still file a bug though EruditeHermit
[07:54] <EruditeHermit> ok
[07:55] <EruditeHermit> will do
[07:55] <EruditeHermit> 1Mb/s is approx 0.12MB/s right?
[07:56] <EruditeHermit> (1/8) MB/s
[07:56] <dtchen> sounds reasonable, yes
[07:56] <EruditeHermit> I can download faster than that so I guess its just reporting it wrong
[08:06] <EruditeHermit> bug reported
[08:07] <EruditeHermit> thanks dtchen and eagles0513875 for the help
[08:07] <eagles0513875> no problem
[22:06] <Admiral_1hicago> I'm running the Shiertoko release on my Karmic Install, is there a way I can run the default Mozilla package?  I can't figure it out...
[22:10] <dtchen> huh
[22:10] <dtchen> you don't have firefox-3.5 installed?
[22:14] <Admiral_chicago> i do
[22:14] <dtchen> so where is Shiretoko appearing?
[22:14] <Admiral_chicago> 3.5.3+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu6
[22:14] <Admiral_chicago> thats the version
[22:16] <dtchen> I'm confused about what you mean by "default Mozilla package"
[22:16] <dtchen> that *is* the default one
[22:16] <dtchen> do you mean you have a different one installed in $HOME or /usr/local ?
[22:16] <Admiral_chicago> the one with the Mozilla branding.  I'm under the impression I'm running a prerelease build or something.
[22:17] <dtchen> what does 'which firefox' return?
[22:17] <Admiral_chicago> /usr/bin/firefox
[22:18] <dtchen> I also presume you have firefox-3.5-branding installed?
[22:18] <Admiral_chicago> let me double check but I am sure I installed it
[22:21] <Admiral_chicago> yes, I have it installed and it still only returns Shiretoko.
[22:22] <dtchen> in Help > About ?
[22:22] <dtchen> what does 'firefox --version' return?
[22:23] <Admiral_chicago> yes in Help > About.
[22:24] <Admiral_chicago> firefox --version return  Mozilla Firefox 3.5.6pre
[22:26] <dtchen> heh
[22:27] <dtchen> well there's your culprit
[22:27] <dtchen> file /usr/bin/firefox
[22:31] <Admiral_chicago> i'm conused, do you want me to type that in?
[22:32] <Admiral_chicago> if I do, I return /usr/bin/firefox: symbolic link to `firefox-3.5'
[22:34] <dtchen> right, so your firefox-3.5 is from 3.5.6pre
[22:34] <dtchen> not from 3.5.3
[22:34] <dtchen> so figure out who/what installed 3.5.6pre when
[22:35] <dtchen> do you have a deb line in /etc/apt/sources.list*{,/*} for daily builds?
[22:35] <dtchen>  *** 3.5.4+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.9.10.1 0
[22:35] <dtchen>         500 http://security.ubuntu.com karmic-security/main Packages
[22:37] <Admiral_chicago> I do not. I double checked my sources
[22:38] <Admiral_chicago> Daniel, do you think if I purge the firefox3.5 file and grab the build from packages.ubuntu.com, I could install it from there and that would prevent future problems?
[22:40] <dtchen> it's a start
[22:55] <Admiral_chicago> well that worked.