[00:12] <huuanito> hello, trouble installing RAID 1 on server 9.20, partition setting: 'use as physical volume for raid', when try to change bootable flag to 'on' just comes back to off. any ideas?
[00:46] <ntwrkadm4r90> Anyone know of any problems with virt-manager not booting vms on system startup ubuntu 9.10?
[01:01] <huuanito> is there some good reason why for RAID 1 the bootable flag can't be set to 'on' with partition setting 'use as physical volume for raid' when installing server 9.20 64 bit? apparently used to work on pre 9 versions. Is my only hope to install on a single disk then migrate to RAID 1?
[01:19] <norrec> is there a way to check the status of a hardware raid on ubuntu server? the hw raid is a raid 1 on a nvidia raid controller
[01:34] <helfire__> i remember reading about doing a command line upgrade, you could start a backup sshd server, but i cant find how to do it
[01:38] <spartan07> is it suposed to show 1 cpu for htop on a quad core?
[01:38] <spartan07> im running ubuntu server lts
[01:38] <helfire__> do you have the SMP kernel?
[01:40] <spartan07> I just installed the one provided on ubuntu server for the 64 bit lts version
[01:41] <helfire__> type uname -a
[01:41] <spartan07> I installed the regular lts desktop and was going to add the packages i needed but the desktop kept freezing on me
[01:41] <spartan07> 2.6.24-24-server #1 SMP
[01:42] <spartan07> brb 1 sec
[02:19] <smackd> .
[03:29] <ScottK> Any Hardy or Dapper clamav users around?
[03:29] <ScottK> I've got an updated version I need tested.
[03:47] <dpreacher> how do I add a secondary gateway ip/remote address to a racoon tunnel such that it acts as a failover?
[04:01] <Xpistos> can someone help me mount an SFS drive?
[04:03] <jmarsden> Xpistos: Are you sure it is really truly definitely an SFS filesystem, not just a corrupted NTFS filesystem?
[04:03] <Xpistos> jmarsden: It was an NTFS now it says SFS
[04:03] <jmarsden> mount it as NTFS.
[04:04] <jmarsden> It says SFS because Windows broke it slightly... it is not really SFS.
[04:04] <Xpistos> let me try it
[04:05] <Xpistos> jmarsden: let me ask this before. I want to have different users access the shares both windows and linux, should I make a different group for each user or just the user themselves
[04:06] <jmarsden> I'm not sure I understand the question... or how it has anything to do with mounting a filesystem... ?
[04:15] <Xpistos> jmarsden: Sorry, I am little distracted, my kids are acting up right now
[04:16] <jmarsden> No problem.  Mount the filesystem so we know that issue is resolved.  Then ask the second question separately, to the channel, when you want to work on that, and see who can help with it.
[04:16] <Xpistos> jmarsden: I am settting up my first server and I am little newbish
[04:17] <jmarsden> Xpistos: That's not a problem.  I do recommend asking and working on just one question at a time, though :)
[04:17] <Xpistos> jmarsden: Seriously
[04:19] <Xpistos> jmarsden: My default user does not have any directories in the home folder. Is that normal?
[04:19] <jmarsden> Xpistos: ls -la ~     # shows you nothing?
[04:20] <Xpistos> all it says is total 0
[04:20] <Xpistos> jmarsden: I am ssh in to the server right now
[04:20] <Xpistos> jmarsden: I even signed into the server to make sure
[04:21] <jmarsden> Xpistos: OK.  That's not necessarily bad, but I'm not sure it is "normal" either.  But this is now a third issue... returning to your first question: did the mount of the NTFS filesystem work?
[04:22] <Xpistos> jmarsden: I didn't do it yet. I am not sure how to do it outside of fstab
[04:23] <jmarsden> Xpistos: well, if you want, do it in fstab and then do sudo mount -a
[04:23] <jmarsden> Xpistos: But this suggests to me you may want to learn a bit more about filesystems and mount before running a server?
[04:24] <Xpistos> jmarsden: is it mount /dev/sdc1 /mount_point ntfs
[04:24] <jmarsden> Xpistos: No, man mount for the specifics of mount options.
[04:26] <Xpistos> jmarsden: it worked
[04:27] <Xpistos> the fstab I mean
[04:27] <jmarsden> Good :)
[04:28] <Xpistos> jmarsden: Okay, no I need to make some samba shares for my wife's windows box and my ubuntu laptop
[04:28] <Xpistos> jmarsden: so should I create both use groups and users or just users
[04:29] <Xpistos> jmarsden: in otherwords, create a user for her and me in our own groups or just the user accounts
[04:29] <jmarsden> I'd keep it simple if there are only two users -- just create a user for her, since you already have one for yourself.
[04:32] <Xpistos> jmarsden: thank you for your help
[04:32] <jmarsden> Xpistos: No problem.
[06:20] <norrec> is there a way to check the status of a hardware raid on ubuntu server? the hw raid is a raid 1 on a nvidia raid controller
[06:25] <jmarsden> norrec: That is usually controller-dependent.  nVidia doesn't make real RAID controllers, AFAIK, so the one you have is probably some sort of fakeraid?  See http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxRaidForAdmins for some info on real RAID controllers and where to find status on them.
[06:26] <jmarsden> norrec: Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto for more on fakeraid if that is what you really have.
[06:27] <norrec> how do u tell the difference between a real raid and a fakeraid
[06:29] <jmarsden> norrec: Did you read the howto?  Better yet, real hardware RAID costs real money -- how much did you pay for the RAID controller?
[06:33] <norrec> jmarsden, hm well considering that it is just some crappy desktop mb i would have to say ive just answered my own question
[06:33] <jmarsden> Yes, I'd say so :)
[06:33] <norrec> jmarsden, so is it preferable to go with a linux software raid over the fakeraid, the howto on the fakeraid hinted that it might be but it didnt really seem to say
[06:34] <jmarsden> norrec: On a machine that only runs Linux, yes, just use software RAID, it is easier and gets just as good performance on modern hardware.
[06:35] <jmarsden> The only real reason for Linux fakeraid (in my opionion) is if you dual boot to Windows and already set up fakeraid and installed WIndows, and now you want to add Linux to the same set of disks...
[06:35] <norrec> jmarsden, can i configure it after install, because one of my drives is dead, and it decided to do it upon an upgrade
[06:36] <norrec> so i'll only have one disk for the install =/
[06:36] <jmarsden> norrec: You can, but doing so is more complex for a newcomer than setting it up using the installer.  You can always wait a day and buy a new drive tomorrow... right?
[06:37] <norrec> jmarsden, the drive is under warranty so i'm gonna rma it
[06:39] <jmarsden> It's your choice how to proceed... if you can back up whatever you do with the server while it is on a single drive, perhaps to another machine or to an external USB drive or whatever you use for your server backups, then I'd say go ahead and install on one drive for now.
[06:40] <norrec> jmarsden, when i put in the new drive, would i want to use something like this "mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=mirror --raid-devices=2 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sde1" do build a new mirror partition?
[06:40] <jmarsden> You'd want to read the documentation very carefully so you don't wipe your existing single drive partition... the time for the specifics is when you have both drives, not now.
[06:41] <norrec> but theres nothing special that i need to do with the install right now, do i?
[06:44] <norrec> jmarsden, i'm just trying to avoid having to reinstall again in a week
[06:45] <jmarsden> No, you really can't set up RAID now, you only have one drive.  I'd do exactly that -- use the week for experimenting and getting to know Ubuntu Server, write down what you learn, and then redo the server install using your written notes when you have the two drives.  But it's your choice to try and convert from a single drive install to RAID1 if you want to attempt that.
[06:46] <norrec> jmarsden, yeah, this isnt my first experience with ubuntu server, i installed this a couple years back and havent really touched it since
[06:46] <norrec> jmarsden, the drive just happened to die when i was doing updates and now i cant boot to the system
[06:47] <jmarsden> Hmmm, so much for the usefulness of your RAID controller...!
[06:47] <norrec> jmarsden, and on top of that i have to find a way of installing and not the data, cause i didnt seperate the partitions for the system and the data
[06:47] <norrec> jmarsden, yeah tell me about it
[06:47] <jmarsden> So where are your backups?  On another machine?
[06:48] <norrec> jmarsden, well this was the file server
[06:48] <jmarsden> Yes... so what did you back it up to?
[06:48] <norrec> jmarsden, that was the point of the raid
[06:48] <jmarsden> No, RAID is *not* a substitute for backups, not even if you have good working expensive real RAID hardware!
[06:49] <jmarsden> RAID protects against downtime caused by loss of one hard drive.  backups protect against all kinds of user mistakes including accidentally deleting files, etc.
[06:50] <jmarsden> Those are fundamentally different things you are trying to protect against there...
[06:51] <jmarsden> Maybe you should buy a new hard disk tomorrow, then when the RMAed one arrives buy a USB external case for it and make that your backup drive?
[06:55] <norrec> jmarsden, *shrug* the data on there isnt super critical, i would just prefer to have it than not have it
[06:57] <norrec> jmarsden, if it had been a production server i would have been more cautious, i would have actually payed for a raid controller
[06:58] <norrec> and had a backup
[06:59] <norrec> jmarsden, so what do u think of the 9.10 server edition, i know its not the lts...
[06:59] <jmarsden> If you decide to install to a single drive and convert it later, look at https://alioth.debian.org/projects/rootraiddoc/ and download the rootraiddoc file and read it.
[07:00] <jmarsden> I've not used 9.10 except for testing in virtual machines, it is too new for real server use at this point.  I haven't even converted my desktop to 9.10, never mind any servers :)
[07:04] <norrec> lol, i'm using it on my gf's laptop, and it has a couple bugs still, but i like it better than 8.10, mostly because the gfx chipset actually works
[07:04] <norrec> 9.04 had the bug with the intel gfx chipsets
[07:04] <norrec> and a couple other problems, had to go back to 8.10 lol
[07:05] <norrec> but i kinda wanted to use 9.10 for ext4 lol
[07:08] <jmarsden> For home use if you can deal with the inevitable new bugs in a new release, that's fine, go for it.  For real servers... not yet!
[07:09] <norrec> jmarsden, i'll be using the lts version on real servers till the next lts version is released lol
[07:10] <jmarsden> Sounds fine to me.
[07:10] <norrec> this is my play machine =p
[07:11] <norrec> jmarsden, hey does fsck verify the integrity of the files?
[07:12] <jmarsden> No, it can't tell whether the content of the file is valid, only that the structure of the filesystem (including length of files, are all blocks/extents of the file there, etc).
[07:13] <norrec> is there a program to verify the integrity of the data within the filesystem?
[07:13] <jmarsden> To verify file integrity you would compare with a backup, or failing that use a checksum based tool like tripwire or aide
[07:14] <norrec> jmarsden, alright, thanks for the help
[07:14] <jmarsden> But of course for all of those you need to have prepared in advance of needing the checks...  sure, no problem.
[07:16] <norrec> yeah, i figured, doesnt really help to verify 2 checksums generated at the same time lol
[07:25] <xander787> i have a system thats running ubuntu server 9.04. I also have gnome installed on it for a gui. the other day i upgraded to 9.1 karmic koala and everything on the system was working fine, but then i had to restart it and it didnt boot correctly. it would show the ubuntu logo (from gnome) and then just go to a blank screen with a cursor. and i cant type anything or get to a terminal using alt-ctl-f* or anything. and even when i boot
[07:29] <jmarsden> xander787: (1) If you installed Gnome, your machine is not really a normal Ubuntu server any more, it is now a sort of hybrid desktop/server.  Ask in #ubuntu for help with GUI related stuff.  (2) When Ubuntu systems do not boot as you wish, boot into a recovery console and use that to see what is going on and fix the system up.  (3) If you can't get into a recovery console, boot from a Ubuntu liveCD and use that to f
[07:29] <jmarsden> ix the real system.  (4) if that fails, use a special purpose system recovery tool such as SystemRescueCD.
[07:31] <xander787> yea i tried booting into the recovery mode, but even then it didn't work, it just paused after a certain point then when i left it and came back i came back to a black screen...
[07:31] <jmarsden> xander787: (5) the Karmic release is 9.10 (The tenth month of the year 2009), so 9.10, not 9.1
[07:31] <jmarsden> xander787: OK, so boot from a CD and use that to recover your machine.
[07:31] <xander787> o sorrryyyy.....
[07:32] <xander787> and when i boot from the 9.04 CD should i select the recover broken system selection or is there something special i should do to try to fix my problem?
[07:33] <jmarsden> Up to you; I tend to open a shell and poke at the disk subsystem with fdisk -l and then check filesystems and then chroot into the "real" system and look around, but I'm not sure how to specifically fix your issue.
[07:34] <jmarsden> Not booting into the recovery console is pretty unusual.  Knowing what the "certain point" was might help a little with that.
[07:36] <xander787> thts a good point, i'm gonna try to find that...because its after a certain line being printed that it just freezes and i dont know why
[07:38]  * jmarsden wanders off to get some sleep...
[07:42] <xander787> yea my point of failure is when it prints out attached scsi disk /newline/ attached scsi generic sg4 type 0, after that it just freezes and goes no further
[07:52] <xander787> [23:45]    xander787: i'm running sort of a hybrid installation using ubuntu 9.04 with gnome installed for a gui. I recently upgraded to 9.10 and everything on the system was fine until i had to restart it today and now it won't boot properly. the ubuntu logo shows up (for gnome) but after that it takes me to a blank screen with a cursor and i cant type anything or get to a terminal using alt-ctl-f* or anything. and i also cant bo
[09:59] <googa> what is the difference between system user and just user
[10:02] <qman__> googa, 'system user' generally refers to users that are stored in /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow, as in users on the local system
[10:02] <qman__> whereas 'user' can refer to any users, on the system or otherwise
[10:06] <googa> what is the benefit of creating groups for users
[10:21] <qman__> groups allow you to define permissions for multiple users at once
[10:22] <qman__> every user must belong to at least one group, and have a primary group
[10:22] <qman__> by default, ubuntu creates a group for each new user
[10:23] <qman__> on a small scale (a few users) this is a good setup, but on a large scale that's unmanageable and users should actually be grouped together
[10:24] <guntbert> qman__: you can create additional groups and add user to them, each user can be a member of many groups
[10:25] <macrocosm> Anyone here using Amazon EC2 &/or the Canonical Cloud Support service?
[10:26] <macrocosm> I am curious as to what others think about it ... as I am considering taking the leap into both.
[10:35] <macrocosm> no opinions?  Im contacting canonical now but figured an end user might be have interesting thoughts to share?
[10:52] <erichammond> macrocosm: Do you have specific questions about running Ubuntu on EC2?
[10:56] <macrocosm> Well not per se .. I was mostly wondering if I should go with canonical or amazon support to get started .. were looking to move all our web infrastructure to the cloud to start, but will begin building our private cloud next year.    I figure it may be best to go with the canonical support as we will further leverage ubuntu in the future, but im torn about who is going to be the best help...
[10:56] <macrocosm> ...in getting started. Whats your opinion?
[10:57] <macrocosm> I guess I may have one related question about ubuntu/ec2 Do you even require a physical server to do this?  Or can everything be virtual in EC2, it wasn't apparent in the ubuntu cloud documentation iv read so far.
[10:59] <erichammond> Amazon manages the hardware infrastructure for you.  You'll need some sort of computer to kick things off (e.g., browser, command line).
[11:00] <erichammond> It's similar to leasing dedicated servers from an old school hosting provider, but you can pay by the hour (with a lot more benefits).
[11:01] <macrocosm> So im guessing that could be a potential bottle neck or does ec2 really take the brunt of the load?  Does that main computer need to scale as much as the cloud?
[11:02] <erichammond> Your computer is not used by EC2.  You use your computer to tell EC2 to start systems, etc.
[11:02] <erichammond> Once it's running, you can turn your computer off.
[11:02] <macrocosm> ahh .. so like a remote
[11:02] <macrocosm> ok .. that makes a good sense.
[11:03] <erichammond> My company runs everything on EC2.  The only other hardware we have is laptops.
[11:03] <macrocosm> sweet ... do you use canonical support?
[11:04] <macrocosm> has the ec2 costing seemed decent to you?  The calculators make it seem cheap but you know how advertising can be! lol
[11:04] <erichammond> macrocosm: not exactly. I kind of support Canonical :-)
[11:05] <erichammond> EC2 can be cheaper than some options and more expensive than others.  The benefits are in the flexibility where you use what you need and pay for what you use.
[11:08] <macrocosm> sounds pretty fair to me .. I just want to avoid being thrashed around on buying tons of hardware as the coming year is going see alot of growth in our infrastructure.
[11:09] <macrocosm> Are you an ubuntu dev?  I just figured event the basic canonical support might come in handy for us.
[11:09] <erichammond> macrocosm: It can be difficult to predict exactly what you need. Either you order and pay for more than you need, or you don't have enough in time to support the growth.  AWS/EC2 is perfect for that.
[11:10] <macrocosm> Thats what Ive been thinking .. seems like the best solution for us now as we are in start-up mode and will be sometime until we have the budget for a real beast of a system in house.
[11:12] <macrocosm> Thanks man ... I really appreciate your thoughts on the subject .. its helped a bunch.
[11:12] <macrocosm> :)
[11:14] <macrocosm> erichammond ... well im off to sign up for ec2 .. cheers!
[11:15] <erichammond> Enjoy.  It can be a bit of a learning process, but there's lots of resources to help in the process.
[11:17] <macrocosm> Think I may wait for the canonical cloud support until we start to build our private cloud next year.  Still may get a basic server support package for those wtf moments and all the goodies that come with it like landscape etc.
[14:27] <martijn-nl> Does anyone has any experience with Kerberos/NFS?
[14:28] <martijn-nl> I'm reading this tutorial: https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/kerberos.html
[14:29] <martijn-nl> Everything is OK, until 4
[14:29] <martijn-nl> When I enter 'kinit martijn/admin', it says: 'kinit(v5): Cannot contact any KDC for realm 'LAN' while getting initial credentials'
[14:57] <kblin> martijn-nl: you need to set up either DNS or /etc/krb5.conf, it seems
[14:59] <martijn-nl> Hi kblin, thanks for your reply
[14:59] <martijn-nl> Here's my krb5.conf: http://pastebin.com/f52682c37
[15:00] <martijn-nl> I don't think there is anything wrong with it..
[15:02] <kblin> martijn-nl: can you resolve "poetie" ?
[15:04] <kblin> martijn-nl: also, how about deleting all the stuf you don't need? :)
[15:04] <martijn-nl> 'ping poetie' works as expected, if that's what you mean
[15:04] <martijn-nl> Haha, I'll do it right now
[15:04] <martijn-nl> ;)
[15:05] <kblin> is poetie the full host name?
[15:06] <martijn-nl> hostname -f --> poetie.lan
[15:06] <kblin> try putting that into the krb5.conf
[15:06] <kblin> and then set up the domain_realm part
[15:08] <martijn-nl> I'm not sure what to put there..
[15:09] <martijn-nl> Sorry :$
[15:09] <martijn-nl> I've change poetie to poetie.lan
[15:14] <martijn-nl> It's now:
[15:14] <martijn-nl> [domain_realm]
[15:14] <martijn-nl>         .poetie.lan = LAN
[15:14] <martijn-nl>         poetie.lan = LAN
[15:14] <martijn-nl>         .lan = LAN
[15:14] <martijn-nl>         lan = LAN
[15:14] <martijn-nl> So I *think* it should map correctly
[15:14] <kblin> http://pastebin.com/m23dfb5be <-- this is my krb5.conf
[15:15] <martijn-nl> OK, I'll try some options
[15:18] <martijn-nl> http://pastebin.com/m12d7fae4 <-- Current config
[15:19] <martijn-nl> netstat says something is listening on port 749
[15:19] <kblin> is the kdsc running?
[15:21] <martijn-nl> Can't find anything..
[15:21] <martijn-nl> How to check?
[15:21] <kblin> er kdc, sorry
[15:21] <kblin> you should see something listening on port 88
[15:21] <martijn-nl> root      5673  0.0  0.1   3176   544 ?        Ss   16:17   0:00 /usr/sbin/krb5kdc -4none
[15:21] <martijn-nl> udp        0      0 192.168.178.20:88       0.0.0.0:*  <-- netstat
[15:22] <kblin> looks good
[15:22] <martijn-nl> :)
[15:22] <kblin> and kinit is still giving the same error message?
[15:23] <martijn-nl> martijn@poetie:~$ kinit martijn/admin@LAN
[15:23] <martijn-nl> kinit(v5): Cannot contact any KDC for realm 'LAN' while getting initial credentials
[15:23] <kblin> hmm
[15:23] <kblin> this is mit kerberos?
[15:25] <martijn-nl> AFAIK, yes
[15:25] <martijn-nl> I've installed the package krb5-kdc
[15:25] <martijn-nl> So it should me MIT
[15:25] <martijn-nl> *be
[15:29] <kblin> hm, that should work then
[15:29] <kblin> it's been a while
[15:31] <kblin> I don't currently have access to a box with a working kerberos client side set-up
[15:32] <martijn-nl> Me neither ;)
[15:32] <martijn-nl> Unfortunately..
[15:33] <martijn-nl> Any other ideas?
[15:37] <martijn-nl> Hmm
[15:37] <martijn-nl> On another computer (so not on the server) I've tried to connect to it and it gives another error:
[15:37] <martijn-nl> kinit: Client not found in Kerberos database while getting initial credentials
[15:39] <martijn-nl> Is this a step forward or a step back? :P
[15:40] <kblin> sounds like the kdc is working :)
[15:42] <kblin> your hostname lookup is broken then
[15:43] <martijn-nl> Oh
[15:43] <martijn-nl> Oh well, I don't see why I should connect from the server to the server anyway
[15:43] <martijn-nl> So, as long as it works on the clients I'm happy..
[15:44] <martijn-nl> http://pastebin.com/m1c083f2f <-- I've added myself, but it still says I'm not in the database..
[15:45] <kblin> sorry, I don't have my kerberos book in reach, I'm kind of stuck there myself
[15:45] <martijn-nl> Ok, thanks for your help anyway!
[15:47] <kblin> most of my recent kerberos work has been against active directory, I seem to be a bit rusty on plain kerberos
[16:15]  * Liberty76 is still building a server, but wonders, what can I do with this server built for his home network
[16:19] <crohakon> Why build a server if you have no need for it?
[16:20] <Liberty76> I plan on using it to do some web development and back up some files, but I wonder about some more fun or exciting things to do with it
[16:21] <Liberty76> Mostly building it to learn something
[16:25] <crohakon> Liberty76, I respect that. That is actually why I have one running in my basement currently.
[16:26] <crohakon> Stream media?
[16:26] <Liberty76> the hardware is actually pretty much the same as my console .. so its recyclable
[16:27] <crohakon> Send out mass mail and become the next spam king?
[16:27] <Liberty76> I don't know if if my video can handle video streaming ..
[16:28] <Liberty76> its a atom duo .. with with svideo
[16:29] <Liberty76> would love to be able to feed my ruku box
[16:29] <Liberty76> Roku
[16:29] <crohakon> *shudders*
[16:30] <Liberty76> its a "budget" system.
[16:30] <crohakon> The linux based netflix player... yet for some reason they don't have linux compatibility for their "watch it now" service. F*ck microsoft and its drm stacks. =(
[16:30] <crohakon> Yeah, I don't know what else you could do with it aside from the normal LAMP, FTP, and SSH
[16:30] <crohakon> Maybe do your own DNS?
[16:31] <Liberty76> I just trying to think of some fun things to do with it while I wait for my harddrive
[16:33] <Liberty76> lamp will let my mount remotely?
[16:33] <Liberty76> let me mount
[16:38] <crohakon> LAMP = Linux, Apache2, MySql, PHP (or perl, or python)
[16:39] <crohakon> LAMP = Web Server
[16:40] <Liberty76> SAMBA is what does fileserver/print server
[16:40] <Liberty76> ?
[16:40] <crohakon> SAMBA and CUPs for printers
[16:40] <crohakon> yes
[16:40] <crohakon> SAMBA allows you to do windows file shares.
[16:41] <crohakon> NFS <--  look into this if all your computers are linux
[16:41] <Liberty76> I will probably load movies in server to watch from desktops
[16:41] <crohakon> That was kind of what I meant by streaming media =)
[16:42] <Liberty76> 1 linux desk 1 windows desk 2 winlaptops
[16:42] <crohakon> ahh, so SAMBA might be the way to go...
[16:42] <crohakon> How many different types of windows?
[16:43] <Liberty76> I was thinking Real TV set ... but desktops are workable
[16:43] <Liberty76> 3 vista 1 XP 1 karmiv
[16:43] <Liberty76> karmic
[16:44] <crohakon> I had issues file sharing between Vista and XP
[16:44] <Liberty76> Vista is tough ..
[16:44] <crohakon> I can only imagian the head aches you are in for getting XP, Vista, and Ubuntu sharing lol
[16:44] <crohakon> Vista is tough?
[16:45] <Liberty76> I don't know networking much either it will be a learning experiance
[16:45] <crohakon> Vista is blotted
[16:45] <crohakon> Don't get me wrong, I am not a die hard Microsoft hater...
[16:45] <crohakon> like most linux users =)
[16:45] <crohakon> But Vista was the reason I finally switched to linux 100%.
[16:46] <Liberty76> Well I figure if I get it working on my Karmic machine .. the others I can work out later.. although I would really like to get cups working on everything
[16:46] <crohakon> I was able to run Windows XP software in linux with wine better then I could run it in windows vista.
[16:46] <crohakon> Not to mention software designed for 2000 and later.
[16:47] <Liberty76> I was really amazed how easy printers install in ubuntu .. was terriblw in Vista or XP
[16:48] <crohakon> Yeah, my HP printer had a hell of a time working in Vista. I had to use another printers drivers just to get basic printing with it in Vista x64
[16:48] <Liberty76> iin the real world we have deal with windows, we don't have to like it :)
[16:48] <crohakon> When I plugged the printer in to my Ubuntu laptop I was able to print in 2 seconds.
[16:48] <crohakon> We don't have to deal with windows.
[16:48] <crohakon> More and more business are moving towards linux.
[16:49] <crohakon> I think the only real obstacle for most small businesses is their use of Quickbooks...
[16:49] <Liberty76> I got my work place to shift to open office.. was easier than i even imagined
[16:50] <crohakon> So if they are using open office why not get them to shift to an open operating system?
[16:50] <Liberty76> Yes even if there was equivilent quickbooks its real hard to move
[16:51] <Liberty76> Just takes time ... we will be putting some knew systems in ..
[16:51] <kblin> what's quickbooks?
[16:52] <Liberty76> financial software for small bussiness
[16:52] <kblin> ah, rated garbage in wine, I see
[16:57] <crohakon> even if it did run in wine I would be uncomfortable suggesting a business you it with wine... just because it is so relayed upon by small business. If for some reason wine got sick of it, the company would be angry. =)
[16:59] <kblin> crohakon: I don't get that point. it's free software, just keep running the version that works for you
[17:01] <crohakon> kblin, not talking about myself. I am talking about small business owners who rely on quickbooks. Getting them to switch to linux is difficult.
[17:01] <kblin> oh well. dinnertime, bbl
[17:04] <Liberty76> I find for the non geek linux is easier to support .. everything that needs back up seems to be in the home directory
[17:05] <Liberty76> What sells Linux is the average user seeing compiz desktop,
[17:05] <crohakon> yes...
[17:06] <crohakon> Most average users care more about the eye candy then the functionality or security.
[17:06] <Liberty76> whirl rth cube and see how fast an application loads ..
[17:06] <crohakon> yup
[17:06]  * crohakon gives the cube a spin for good measure.
[17:06] <Liberty76> security don't sell to average user .. they don't understand how it relates to vri and worms
[17:07] <crohakon> http://www.sql-ledger.org/ <--- this looks to have promise
[17:07] <Liberty76> besides they believe buying norton is security
[17:08] <crohakon> lol
[17:08] <crohakon> I can't wait until the day I see Norton for Linux and start laugh my arse off.
[17:10] <Liberty76> lol
[17:12] <Liberty76> my only beef with ubuntu is that I find it dificult to write programs..  no standard IDEs .. make process is complicated..
[17:13] <crohakon> ubuntu is not the desktop for developers. It was designed more for the "I just want a functional desktop" crowed.
[17:13] <Liberty76> yup ..
[17:13] <crohakon> And the Windows converts.
[17:13] <crohakon> It has the eye candy and stability that windows users want.
[17:13] <Liberty76> its very usable for standard apps..
[17:14] <crohakon> Ubuntu has by far been the easiest distro for me to install and just enjoy without the headaches of figuring out why this and that is not working.
[17:15] <crohakon> Which, is what will convert more from microsoft.
[17:16] <dekoy> im trying ubuntu cloud private im on the step where you connect to the running instance via ssh  but i keep on getting no route to host
[17:16] <Liberty76> I work in control industry. .I eventually want to make programs that read values and control motors and valves
[17:16] <dekoy> any ideas ?
[17:17] <crohakon> dekoy ports are open in the firewall(s)?
[17:17] <crohakon> Liberty76, linux mint looks promising for the converts as well.
[17:17] <dekoy> yep i did open port 22 according to the docs
[17:18] <crohakon> Liberty76, seems to be designed to look a lot like windows and it comes with codex files installed and such.
[17:18] <crohakon> is ssh running?
[17:18] <crohakon> Are you connecting to the right IP?
[17:18] <dekoy> crohakon connecting to the right IP
[17:19] <dekoy> i use the image from the store
[17:19] <crohakon> image from the store?
[17:20] <dekoy> on the UEC  admin   there's a tab called store with premade images
[17:20] <dekoy> i just installed used that for the instance im running
[17:21] <crohakon> So you installed ubuntu server edition on a box... and you are wanting to SSH to it from a desktop?
[17:21] <dekoy> nopes
[17:22] <crohakon> okay..
[17:22] <dekoy> I have a cloud controller and a cloud node using the ubuntu 9.10 installer
[17:22] <crohakon> ahhh
[17:22] <crohakon> Not sure I can help you, never used that software before.
[17:22] <dekoy> okay thanks :)
[17:23] <dekoy> not muc help on the logs too on the node or the controller
[17:24] <crohakon> Liberty76, ----> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SETI@home <---- for your server =)
[17:26] <Liberty76> I haven't run seti in year .. a good idea.
[17:26] <crohakon> or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folding@home
[17:26] <crohakon> or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta@home
[17:50] <vraa> there is boinc too
[17:59] <Liberty76> trying to figure out how to run them on a textbased terminal scvreen
[18:02] <vraa> F@H ? or boinc ?
[18:02] <vraa> F@H is relatively easy i've done it before, but boinc i havent tried
[18:03] <Liberty76> is there instructions?
[18:07] <vraa> http://fahwiki.net/index.php/Running_the_FAH_client_on_Linux
[18:07] <vraa> also http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=12071
[18:07] <vraa> and i believe there diff versions/clients available depending on cpu and gpu type http://folding.stanford.edu/English/Download
[18:08] <Liberty76> thanks
[18:08] <vraa> np, after some headache with F@H i moved to boinc, but i use gui to install boinc manager and then set it up with a project manager, then use the online project manager to control which projects i run
[18:09] <Liberty76> I was thinking about running it on my server once I get it it running
[18:10] <Liberty76> server won't have a gui
[18:18] <Basso> Hello
[18:18] <Liberty76> basso: hi
[18:18] <Basso> How do i change the apache port to 8080?, port 80 is blocked so outsiders cant reach it
[18:21] <KurtKraut> Basso, if your por t 80 is blocked you're probably running a web server in a residential broadband conection. For such enviroment, I suggest you to try out other webservers, like lighttpd, nginx, fnord etc. They're lighter and easier to configure than apache.
[18:22] <Basso> the server is on university fiber, but on a crappy vlan at the moment
[18:24] <dekoy> basso changed either httpd.conf or apache2.conf in /etc/apache2  change Listen to another port
[18:27] <Basso> seems i have changed to port to 8888
[18:28] <Basso> but it seems to have problems finding the stuff inside the www folder
[18:30] <Basso> nah it seems to have major problems finding index.html
[18:30] <Basso> does it look in another folder or somthing?
[18:33] <crohakon> its ports.conf
[18:33] <crohakon> /etc/apache/ports.conf
[18:34] <crohakon> KurtKraut, I run apache2 on a residential line for the sole purpose of learning how to use it.
[18:35] <crohakon> Basso, are your permissions set correctly?
[18:35] <KurtKraut> crohakon, I tend to avoid too much traditional projects like Apache, Squid etc. There are truly fascinating new projects like lighttpd, nginx, Polipo etc. They started from scratch with new ideas (and of course, new bugs :P)
[18:35] <crohakon> in other words... does the apache account have permisson to access your www folder?
[18:35] <Basso> i found out, had to change the namevirtualhost to the port also
[18:36] <crohakon> KurtKraut, I am sure down the road I will check those out, but knowing how to configure and use apache2 is a useful skill.
[18:37] <KurtKraut> crohakon, I'm sure it is. I don't like when people and documentation states that this is a 'needed skill' or 'the only way to do the job'.
[18:38] <crohakon> KurtKraut, oh, I understand that 100%. But for someone like me that is new to linux servers learning the core applications first helps. Most hosting companies out there use apache(2).
[18:38] <crohakon> Learning the LAMP configuration and then moving on from there.
[18:38] <crohakon> Exploring alternatives.
[18:39] <KurtKraut> crohakon, that seems a good approach
[18:41] <crohakon> LAMP configurations are highly documented. So while they may be more confusing to someone just starting out there is more help available.
[18:45] <unique> can anyone tell me why is it that courier-imap is not picking up my mail? i login via telnet and i type select INBOX.. and it tells me * 0 EXISTS and * 0 RECENT
[18:45] <unique> but when i type "mail" in the shell i do see my emails..
[18:52] <tsrk> Where do the vmbuilder template files get their variables (like $bridge) from?
[18:52] <Strogg_> hello, is ubuntu supporting a groupware ?
[19:07] <noobuntu> i got this message after I edited /etc/network/interfaces ::: postconf: fatal: open /etc/postfix/main.cf: No such file or directory
[19:08] <lamont> did you configure postfix?
[19:09] <noobuntu> i don't think so, this is first time I deal with ubuntu server (this is for home network)
[19:09] <noobuntu> what I actually need is a LAMP for drupal CMS sites
[19:10] <noobuntu> and following a tutorial on the web i run into this problem
[19:11] <noobuntu> here is what I entered into interfaces (I changed IP values to my own, accordingly) http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-ubuntu-9.10-ispconfig-3-p3
[19:12] <noobuntu> after networking restart, i got this postfix message
[19:13] <ScottK> noobuntu: sudo dpkg-reconfigure postfix and pick some option other than don't configure it.
[19:13] <jmarsden> noobuntu: Setting up ispconfig for home use seems a somewhat odd choice... ispconfig => intended for use as a small ISP... ?
[19:13] <noobuntu> locate main.cf tells that I have one instance of this file in /usr/lib/postfix
[19:14] <lamont> dpkg-reconfigure -phigh postfix
[19:14] <noobuntu> jmarsden: i work at home
[19:16] <jmarsden> Either "this is first time I deal with ubuntu server (this is for home network)" was correct, or it was not.  If you just need a LAMP server plus drupal, forget the long and complex and unofficial HOWTO .  Instead, install a LAMP server (sudo tasksel install lamp-server) and then add drupal to it.
[19:18] <noobuntu> jmarsden: well, I already have installed LAMP, but I want to be able to send mail from Drupal (i.e. to test automatic messages). Do I need to setup postfix to be able to do that?
[19:19] <jmarsden> Yes, but a quick    sudo dpkg-reconfigure postfix    should take care of that.
[19:19] <jmarsden> If you chose well during the initial install even that is not required.
[19:20] <noobuntu> jmarsden: what to choose from choises: internet, internet with smarthost or satellite?
[19:20] <noobuntu> choices*
[19:20] <jmarsden> Which one matches your circumstances?  Pick that one.
[19:20] <unique> anybody here knows what do i need to have in sendmail to have procmail going?
[19:20] <jmarsden> Probably internet with smarthost, but I'm guessing.
[19:35] <justanothercoder> i am trying to launch an amazon ec2 instance . i need a lamp install, i found the 9.1 karmic koala ec2 image and started an instance, but for some reason it seems quite different . i don't get options when i do sudo tasksel --section server.
[19:36] <justanothercoder> it just says cloud instance and something else, how do i install lamp packages here?
[19:40] <jmarsden> justanothercoder: man tasksel.  I do not think --section is a documented option to tasksel.
[19:41] <justanothercoder> jmarsden : it is, thats what it normally says when you start ubuntu server
[19:41] <justanothercoder> At the moment, only the core of the system is installed. To tune the
[19:41] <justanothercoder> system to your needs, you can choose to install one or more
[19:41] <justanothercoder> predefined collections of software by running the following
[19:41] <justanothercoder> command:
[19:41] <justanothercoder>                                                                      
[19:41] <justanothercoder>    sudo tasksel --section server
[19:41] <jmarsden> justanothercoder: man tasksel and tell me if you see --section in the list of options there.
[19:42] <jmarsden> At least on my machine, it is not there, and hence is undocumented.
[19:43] <jmarsden> justanothercoder: Did you try doing    sudo tasksel install lamp-server
[19:43] <justanothercoder> jmarsden : um it shows when you install ubuntu server, in fact i even get a popup screen with all the options
[19:43] <jmarsden> justanothercoder: If it is not in the man page it is undocumented.
[19:43] <justanothercoder> but its a canonical image, and says it during bootup?
[19:44] <jmarsden> Try   sudo tasksel install lamp-server      instead of trying to redefine what undocumented means.
[19:44] <justanothercoder> jmarsden : sudo tasksel install lamp-server just doesn't give a message
[19:45] <jmarsden> OK, what does    tasksel --list-tasks  say the available tasks are?
[19:45] <jmarsden> Perhaps all the LAMP server components are already installed on your image?
[19:45] <justanothercoder> jmarsden : says server, openssh-server, uec,
[19:46] <justanothercoder> i think i might have used the wrong ami, is the cloud version different? and i am unable to find any other ec2 image for karmic koala on the ubuntu website
[19:46] <jmarsden> If that's all, then the image you are using has some kind of modified tasksel setup for the cloud, I suspect.
[19:46] <jmarsden> I'm not a "cloud person" I'm afraid :)
[19:47] <justanothercoder> :) thanks
[19:48] <jmarsden> You could try running   tasksel --task-packages lamp-server   on a normal machine and adding those packages to your clould image with sudo apt-get install, I suppose.
[19:50] <justanothercoder> nothing seems to work, not even sudo apt-get install . just keeps saying package not found
[19:50] <justanothercoder> i think i need to do something like create an instance or something
[19:51] <jmarsden> justanothercoder: Maybe check the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list are sane and do sudo apt-get update   ?
[19:52] <justanothercoder> that worked :D
[19:53] <justanothercoder> after apt-get update, i can now do a tasksel intall lamp-server
[19:53] <justanothercoder> thanks!
[19:55] <jmarsden> No problem :)
[20:05] <xander787> just recently upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 (server but with gnome running) and now i get this error when i try to boot: mountall: symbol lookup error: mountall: undefined symbol: udev_monitor_filter_add_match_subsystem_devtype
[20:05] <xander787> i've seen this around on the forums with other ppl getting the problem so i thought maybe there would be a solution to this other than having to clean install, cuz that would be a real pain for me
[20:19] <xander787> is there no one here that can help me?
[20:56] <jeffcutsinger> I'm trying to follow https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/serverguide/C/openldap-server.html, but the step where it says to search the cn=config tree requires a password. I assume this was supposed to be set up earlier; but I don't see how. I've installed (and re-installed) slapd and run dpkg-reconfigure slapd multiple times, but it never prompts me for a password. What am I missing?
[21:45] <terinjokes> hola! anyone know how to get wpa_supplicant started at boot?
[21:52] <mneptok> terinjokes: wpa_supplicant can be invokd from within /etc/network/interfaces
[22:06] <terinjokes> mneptok: i'm also getting an insane amount of disconnects
[22:06] <poningru> terinjokes, what does dmesg say?
[22:06] <poningru> terinjokes, if you are not noticing the same in the vendor provided drivers (i.e under windows) then it is probably an issue with the drivers
[22:06] <poningru> if you are noticing the same issue under windows
[22:07] <terinjokes> poningru: IDK... haven't you seen my insanely large amount of disconnects over in the lug channel?
[22:07] <poningru> then it is probably an issue with the environment (e.g microwave, etc.)
[22:08] <poningru> oh..
[22:08] <poningru> lol I thought this was lug
[22:08] <terinjokes> no... this is very much ubuntu-server
[22:08] <terinjokes> :D
[22:08] <poningru> hehe
[22:08] <poningru> terinjokes, do other wifi devices have this much issue?
[22:10] <terinjokes> poningru: not really... my iTouch gets into a fit were it won't see the router anymore, but besides that...
[22:12] <terinjokes> poningru: i guess it could be overloading the router, it's only a consumer device, but i figured a wireless-N could handle the traffic (more the time, there's nothing really using the network)
[22:15] <poningru> terinjokes, hmm
[22:34] <terinjokes> poningru: no ideas?
[22:37] <poningru> terinjokes, yeah no clue
[22:37] <poningru> what does dmesg
[22:53] <terinjokes> poningru: wlan0: deauthenticating by local choice (reason=14)
[23:21] <poningru> terinjokes, what chipset?
[23:21] <poningru> terinjokes, I am gonna assume it is bcm or b43
[23:21] <poningru> because I remember that issue
[23:33] <scott> hi folks.
[23:33] <scott> I'm having an issue with apache
[23:34] <scott> I'm trying to rewrite in a .htaccess: /cam/ to http://192.168.2.7/ using the proxy module
[23:34] <poningru> scott, dont we all
[23:34] <scott> lol
[23:34] <scott> anyhow, instead of transparently showing the content, its forwarding
[23:34] <scott> ie, 301
[23:35] <poningru> oh hmm
[23:35] <poningru> yeah I have no idea you could do aything other than forwarding
[23:35] <poningru> s/have/had
[23:35] <poningru> if you figure it out let me know
[23:35] <scott> yeah, with [P] it should show the content from the url
[23:35] <scott> will do
[23:41]  * kblin sighs
[23:41] <kblin> and here I was just wanting to ask about the same thing :)
[23:41] <scott> :(
[23:41] <scott> as a reverse proxy, it should just show the content
[23:41] <scott> ie, on my production server:
[23:42] <scott> http://code.tig.gr/earthquake/7day-M5.xml
[23:42] <scott> that page is actually from the USGS site