[00:17] <ultma2> I need help, installing libavcodec still doesn't help, there is still no sound when I try to play an mp3 file in amorak
[00:19] <rjlynn> Hi guys. I'm having some ridiculous trouble getting my laptop's S/PDIF output to work. It shows up on "aplay -l" and also in the Multimedia settings panel. I just can't get any sound out of it!
[00:20] <rjlynn> it's a HP dv9720us laptop - it's got an nForce chipset, and a Conexant sound chip, but beyond that, I'm lost.
[00:27] <ugur> hi all. I cannot have the network manager widget set my ip from dhcp but my dns address to another static value
[00:35] <K350> What's recommended to install softwares with in Kubuntu 9.10, the "Add and remove software" in systemsettings or Synaptic?
[00:35] <squall> it depends
[00:36] <K350> I want to install wine. So?
[00:36] <squall> if you want something for simple user - use add and remove software
[00:36] <squall> if you want more detailed work - use synaptic
[00:36] <squall> wine can be installed very easily
[00:36] <K350> Ok. so for wine I guess add and remove will be fine.
[00:36] <squall> surte
[00:36] <squall> *sure
[00:37] <squall> just open the add/remove, type wine and the package will be found by the system
[00:37] <squall> but install the usual wine, not the wine 1.2 beta
[00:37] <K350> I see..and then how do I install it?
[00:37] <K350> ah..ok I'll avoid beta
[00:37] <squall> all you have to do is to check the "wine" and apply
[00:37] <squall> the application will be downloaded and installed on the system
[00:38] <K350> including all thethings I need to run it?
[00:38] <K350> if there's any....
[00:38] <squall> exactly
[00:38] <K350> Great!
[00:38] <K350> Thanks a lot for your help. REally appruciated!
[00:38] <squall> and if you use karmic koala you can just use the ubuntu software center, it is even easies than add/remove
[00:38] <squall> anytime :-)
[00:46] <K350> squall: Didn't work so well. First it said some dependencies where missing -> wine-dev. Then when trying to install wine-dev it said it's not satisfied..uh?
[00:47] <K350> some missing dependies with wine-dev too
[00:47] <K350> maybe synapitic here anyway?
[00:48] <davidjheinrich_> hi all
[00:48] <luis_> hello when u click "open" in an downloaded file, for example: in firefox download tab, u get a window open so u choose with what app u open that, but u start in home, and i dont know in what folders are apps like "amarok" or "dolphin" for example, can someone help me?
[00:48] <squall> it is always better to use synaptic
[00:48] <davidjheinrich_> does anyone know how I can apply the results of the "rename" command recursively in all sub-directories?
[00:49] <carpii> maybe find -exec ?
[00:49] <carpii> or find | xargs rename
[00:49] <davidjheinrich_> could you explain that?
[00:49] <carpii> which one
[00:49] <davidjheinrich_> I just found the suggestionto do "for f in *; do" then type what u want to do, then done
[00:49] <davidjheinrich_> the find | xargs rename
[00:49] <carpii> well thatd work for a single dir, but it gets complex when you want to recurse into dirs i think
[00:50] <carpii> xargs is only really when you have many many files
[00:50] <bjoern_> Hello. I just got a problem ubgrading from jaunty to karmic. The upgrade terminated after installing but before cleanup and I got the reboot anouncement which I did. But menu.lst still pointed to the old kernel which didn't boot. I also couldn't boot the new kernel because there's no new initrd. Any ideas?
[00:50] <luis_> but davidjheinrich_, when u open files in firefox download tab, u dont get in terminal, instead u get in a window when u must choose the programs from a folder, and i dont know where are the apps
[00:50] <luis_> where*, not when
[00:51] <davidjheinrich_> luis, I think u meant to address that to someone else
[00:51] <luis_> oh i think u were talking to me...
[00:51] <luis_> but davidjheinrich_, when u open files in firefox download tab, u dont get in terminal, instead u get in a window when u must choose the programs from a folder, and i dont know where are the apps
[00:51] <luis_> srry
[00:51] <FloodBotK2> luis_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:51] <davidjheinrich_> carpii, ok can u expalain the xargs
[00:51] <luis_> hello when u click "open" in an downloaded file, for example: in firefox download tab, u get a window open so u choose with what app u open that, but u start in home, and i dont know in what folders are apps like "amarok" or "dolphin" for example, can someone help me?
[00:51] <carpii> david, im not sure thats the best method because youd still have to worry about the absolute path
[00:51] <carpii> try this though
[00:51] <carpii> http://mamchenkov.net/wordpress/2005/09/26/recursively-renaming-files-in-linux/
[00:53] <davidjheinrich_> carpii, I don't see how that does it down into subdir's
[00:53] <davidjheinrich_> it's just the rename command
[00:53] <squall> are you talking about amarok and dolphin binaries?
[00:53] <squall> check /usr/bin
[00:53] <carpii> ok but try it, maybe $FILE contains the full subdir
[00:54] <carpii> just echo it instead of mv
[00:56] <davidjheinrich_> jesus, there oughtta be a simple command or something to apply another command to all subdirs
[00:56] <davidjheinrich_> instead of all this complicated scripting
[00:57] <vitamin-carrot> hmmmm
[00:59] <davidjheinrich_> found this: find ./ -type f -exec rename 'y/A-Z/a-z/' {} \;
[01:00] <davidjheinrich_> to rename recursivly
[01:01] <carpii> ok, good stuff
[01:01] <carpii> i did suggest find -exec ;)
[01:02] <carpii> most things in bash or done with lots of little utils, its very powerful, but many not as user friendly as you'd like
[01:02] <carpii> s/or/are
[01:03] <reagleBRKLN> I set my home page in Konq and then save the session as the default web. But it doesn't remember the size? How can I set the size of the newly launched Konq?
[01:03] <davidjheinrich_> ok, just tried that, tells me, "can't rename ... no such file or directory"
[01:03] <davidjheinrich_> but it worked
[01:03] <davidjheinrich_> strange
[01:04] <carpii> maybe it was trying to rename . or ..
[01:04] <carpii> hard to say without echoing the files it found
[01:06] <davidjheinrich_> on another note, what happened to using quotes (") to specify files with spaces...i.e., touch "my file" used to work for me years ago from what I remember...now it has to be touch my\ file
[01:08] <carpii> no idea, i only remember using quotes in windows really
[01:08] <carpii> thats not to say bash never supported it, itd be odd if it did, and suddenly dropped support for it
[01:08] <davidjheinrich_> is there any way to get quotes back?
[01:08] <davidjheinrich_> I much prefer that way
[01:08] <carpii> maybe, but none that i know of
[01:09] <paully> why is my 3d cube just a 2d plane?
[01:09] <dan213-heron-le> i have kubuntu hardy with kde 3.5 and i entered the recovery mode and clicked on the "try to fix the xserver" without having any problem on my pc. Since then i can't enter ANY(!) linux Operating System throw the graphical way (neither with livecd's!) :( what can i do? im on windows
[01:12] <vamp898> Woow glibc sais that 0^0=1 http://pastie.org/688422 the result is 1.000000
[01:12] <luis_> hello when u click "open" in an downloaded file, for example: in firefox download tab, u get a window open so u choose with what app u open that, but u start in home, and i dont know in what folders are apps like "amarok" or "dolphin" for example, can someone help me?
[01:12] <vamp898> luis_ /usr/bin
[01:13] <davidjheinrich_> ok, another quick Q, is there a way that I can number filenames? i.e., I have a bunch of JPG's in a directory, labelled _######, and I want o make hem 1_#####, 2_#####, etc starting from the first one?
[01:13] <vamp898> luis_ for example /usr/bin/amarok
[01:13] <vamp898> davidjheinrich_ are you able to use BASH-Skripts? otherwise you could choose krename
[01:14] <vamp898> luis_ but in KDE-Systemsettings you can set mime-types. For example you can set that text/html should be opened with Firefox and so on
[01:14] <vamp898> luis_ but i think these changes will only apply on KDE own apps
[01:14] <davidjheinrich_> I have the ability to use bash scripts, as I'm on my computre...I'm not sure what I'd do to do that numbering of filesnames, though?
[01:14] <vamp898> davidjheinrich_ use a for-loop and mv^^
[01:15] <Werenerd> Does anyone know if KDM can show if a user is logged in already? I am tired of my wife logging in 4 times
[01:15] <luis_> vamp898: okay so... when the window opens and click select app, is usr in home hidden files? because i cant find a folder named "usr" or "bin" in there
[01:15] <Werenerd> or better yet, limit people to one log in at a time?
[01:15] <vamp898> davidjheinrich_ for i in $( ls ); do mv $i `echo "1_$i"`; done
[01:16] <maco> luis_: its under / not in your home directory
[01:16] <vamp898> luis_ its /usr^^ you have to switch to /
[01:16] <maco> luis_: your home directory is /home/luis/ or something like that
[01:16] <dan213-heron-le> i have kubuntu hardy with kde 3.5 and i entered the recovery mode and clicked on the "try to fix the xserver" without having any problem on my pc. Since then i can't enter ANY(!) linux Operating System throw the graphical way (neither with livecd's! i put to experiment without installing, appears the ksplash, and then it never enters the kde) :( what can i do? im on windows
[01:16] <davidjheinrich_> vamp, thanks!
[01:17] <vamp898> daivdjheinrich_ wait i have a better idea ;)
[01:17] <davidjheinrich_> vamp, that just renamed everything 1_####
[01:18] <davidjheinrich_> oh, what's ur better idea?
[01:18] <luis_> vamp898: now i finally understand... thx dude! now i can open every file i download with my firefox without the need to wait until dolphin opens! i love u =)
[01:18] <da> Can I get 2000 songs from a microsoft machine, > on an 8GB MP3 player, >to my Linux machine?
[01:18] <vamp898> davidjheinrich_ http://pastie.org/688439
[01:19] <vamp898> luis_ =)
[01:19] <vitamin-carrot> da:
[01:19] <vitamin-carrot> da: yes you can if they are on a LAN
[01:19] <da> stands for doswell alphonso
[01:19] <vitamin-carrot> da: or if your MP3 player is seen as a mass storage device
[01:20] <luis_> vamp898: btw i am doing all this because i am gonna test Mythbuntu with Virtual Box: I got a 52' and i wanna make a HTPC, its hard to use mythtv?
[01:20] <davidjheinrich_> how do I change the default browser in Konversation? it keeps opening firefox instead of "Shiretoko" (ff 3.5)
[01:20] <vamp898> luis_ im using Gentoo xD
[01:20] <luis_> lol... ok
[01:20] <vamp898> davidjheinrich_ change the default browser in KDE Systemsettings
[01:21] <da> okay thank you...
[01:21] <davidjheinrich_> can I just right click on a html file and specify the open with as default?
[01:21] <Werenerd> ANyone? Limit prople to one session or show logged in status in KDM?
[01:22] <vamp898> davidjheinrich_ no wait. Go to K-Menu --> Computer --> Systemsettings --> Favourite Applications
[01:22] <vamp898> davidjheinrich_ or default applications, dont know exactly xD i have german KDE
[01:23] <davidjheinrich_> was i just here?
[01:23] <davidjheinrich_> I pressed some button and accidentally disconnected
[01:23] <vamp898> davidjheinrich_ no wait. Go to K-Menu --> Computer --> Systemsettings --> Favourite Applications
[01:23] <vamp898> davidjheinrich_ or default applications, dont know exactly xD i have german KDE
[01:24] <davidjheinrich_> vamp, I just did it by right clicking on an html file
[01:24] <vamp898> ah ok thats fine too^^
[01:24] <davidjheinrich_> ok, ur bash script produced a bunch of these for me: mv: `_2066984.JPG' and `_2066984.JPG' are the same file
[01:25] <vamp898> ok wait
[01:26] <davidjheinrich_> what I'd like is for each JPG on my comp to have a unique ID prefix
[01:26] <vamp898> davidjheinrich_ this http://pastie.org/688439
[01:27] <davidjheinrich_> I'm not sure my camera does that adequately...as it is limited to 7 identifying numbers, with the 1st 4 being mmdd
[01:28] <davidjheinrich_> vamp, same result
[01:28] <vamp898> you should first clean up the files with _ prefix
[01:28] <davidjheinrich_> what do you mean by cleaning them up?
[01:29] <vamp898> davidjheinrich_ i really think you should take krename xD
[01:30] <davidjheinrich_> actually, maybe it'd be easier to add a full date to them
[01:30] <vamp898> krename 4.0.1-1
[01:30] <vamp898>      A very powerfull batch file renamer for KDE
[01:30] <vamp898> i think this is what you want
[01:30] <davidjheinrich_> they start out with _A11 but no year, so I could just add the year
[01:31] <davidjheinrich_> I opened that, it's confusing. I already have some understanding of command line, don't want to start over w/ new way of doing things
[01:31] <vamp898> i wait i found the error
[01:31] <vamp898> remove the ; at the end of the first line
[01:31] <vamp898> stupid C/BASH mixing xD
[01:32] <davidjheinrich_> still does it
[01:32] <vamp898> hmmm yes he does not accept the prefix
[01:32] <vamp898> i look out why
[01:34] <davidjheinrich_> ok, maybe Krename is good
[01:34] <vamp898> ah i got it
[01:34] <vamp898> do you accept 1-#### prefix?
[01:34] <davidjheinrich_> I just went through it's thingy
[01:34] <vamp898> or does it have to be 1_
[01:34] <vamp898> beceause echo dont like the _
[01:34] <davidjheinrich_> I actually prefer -
[01:34] <davidjheinrich_> _ means I have to use the shit key to type it
[01:34] <davidjheinrich_> errr, shift
[01:35] <davidjheinrich_> all that _ means is that it is an AdobeRGB file instead of sRBG
[01:35] <vamp898> this works http://pastie.org/688439
[01:35] <vamp898> wait
[01:35] <vamp898> no
[01:35] <vamp898> why das pastie did not accepted my paste!
[01:36] <vamp898> so here this works -.- finally http://pastie.org/688439
[01:38] <davidjheinrich_> yep, that works
[01:38] <vamp898> ok =)
[01:39] <reagleBRKLN> I can't open a img with gqview from dolphin, "invalid or ignored: file:///foo..."
[01:39] <davidjheinrich_> now I just need to think of a systmetic way to name my files
[01:39] <vamp898> reagleBRKLN never heard of gqview Ö_Ö
[01:40] <vamp898> maybe gqview does not support this file:// stuff
[01:41] <reagleBRKLN> vamp898: i don't think it does, but it worked with KDE3.5... and I wonder how to fix...?
[01:41] <len> I'm having a sound driver issue after upgrading a machine from 9.04 to 9.10.  It's an Asus M2N-SLI Deluxe motherboard with uses the snd-hda-intel driver.   The driver loads and show up when I type lsmod, but when I do a aplay -l to test, it gives and error about no default sound card found.
[01:44] <reagleBRKLN> the -r argument of 'gqview -r %F' was the serious problem in the file associations
[01:46]  * Sir_Konrad is away. He'll be back later.
[01:46] <len> I've been reading there are lots of issues with the snd-hda-intel driver because of different vendor hardware implementions .   I tried specifying options snd-hda-intel model=asus in alsabase.conf, but it didn't help.
[01:51] <sithlord48> can anyone help me fix knetworkmanager, its broke after i manually edited the /etc/network/interfaces file for static ip
[01:55] <nevyn> it didn't break...
[01:57] <sithlord48> i am back to a dhcp managed setting and wish to re-enable management of my network with knetworkmanager
[01:58] <sithlord48> brb
[01:59] <keith_> hmmmm well here I am
[02:00] <keith_> anyone there?
[02:09] <sithlord48> how can i get knetworkmanager to manage my network again ?
[02:12] <xfire8> how i update my kernel ?
[02:12] <vamp898> http://kernel.org
[02:12] <vamp898> load the source
[02:12] <vamp898> compile it
[02:12] <vamp898> install it
[02:12] <FloodBotK2> vamp898: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:12] <vamp898> update /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:13] <xfire8> it can fix boot issues ?
[02:13] <vamp898> or wait until Ubuntu brings a new Kernel =)
[02:13] <vamp898> i dont think that you are able to compile a kernel :/ so i dont think that you are able to fix any boot issues^^
[02:13] <xfire8> like this http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/2618/senzatitolo1copiaee3.jpg
[02:14] <vamp898> that does not seems to be a problem of the operating system. It seems like to be a problem of your computer itself
[02:14] <xfire8> no no
[02:14] <xfire8> i just think your mother so good
[02:15] <sithlord48> what is in /etc/network/interfaces by default in kubuntu 9.10
[02:16] <xfire8> in default its
[02:16] <xfire8> in the default its custom
[02:17]  * Sir_Konrad is back! All systems are go!
[02:17] <sithlord48> ?
[02:18] <sithlord48> are you saying by default there is no /etc/network/interfaces file?
[02:18] <xfire8>  Tottally
[02:18] <xfire8> Absoulty !
[02:18] <xfire8> Sure
[02:18] <xfire8> of course !
[02:18] <xfire8> !viagara
[02:18] <xfire8> dont lieing to me common :)
[02:19] <vamp898> xD
[02:19] <vamp898> !sex
[02:19] <sithlord48> so if i remove my /etc/network/interfaces i should have given control of my network back to network-manger?
[02:20] <vamp898> sithlord48 Network-Manager ignores if there is a /etc/network/interfaces. From the time you start the daemon, it does what it want
[02:21] <sithlord48> yea i can't get it to give control back to network-manager
[02:22] <vamp898> sithlord48 restart the daemon
[02:23] <sithlord48> vamp898, sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[02:23] <xfire8> hey someone can call intel for me ? i dont have intel support center in my country , please .
[02:23] <vamp898> sithlord48 no network-manager or something else
[02:23] <sithlord48> ah
[02:24] <sithlord48> ok thats better, thanks
[02:26] <Cubex1> First time  in konversation
[02:27] <vamp898> yeha a virgin
[02:27] <Cubex1> heh i think you all can see when i modify my  nick in the combobox
[02:31] <Cubex1> konversation doesn't have a predefined server list of most irc servers?
[02:31] <vamp898> Konversation have no preservative too
[02:31] <carpii> try xchat
[02:31] <carpii> from what i remember, konversation sucks
[02:32] <Cubex1> xchat the latest on kubuntu 9.10 seems ok at least in my opinion however i did try xchat before and long server lists cause the program to freeze in whitespace i already filed a bugreport it was closed i believe
[02:33] <carpii> ok, ive never had that problem tbh
[02:33] <Cubex1> konversation though seems in my opinion to miss servers which complicates things
[02:33] <carpii> but having said that, the first thing i do in xchat is delete all the servers, and readd the ones i want
[02:33] <carpii> which is only about 3 :p
[02:35] <freaky[t]> how do I set up samba on kubuntu? or is it enabled by default?
[02:35] <freaky[t]> under system settings --> sharing i only have "local network browsing" :(
[02:37] <vamp898> uhm install samba
[02:37] <vamp898> edit samba configuration file
[02:37] <vamp898> and then sudo /etc/init.d/samba start
[02:37] <freaky[t]> yea but
[02:37] <freaky[t]> isnt it possible to set it up using some GUI tool?
[02:38] <carpii> webmin maybe
[02:38] <freaky[t]> nah i dont like webmin
[02:38] <carpii> just spend some time lraning how samba.cnf works
[02:38] <carpii> itll put you in good stead
[02:49] <xfire8> hey , when i restart ubuntu i got erorr post message http://tinyurl.com/yb2qg9j  ,   what to do ? thanks !
[02:50] <vamp898> can you acces grub?
[02:50] <xfire8> you talk with me ?
[02:50] <vamp898> yes
[02:50] <xfire8> yes can access grub after this message
[02:51] <vamp898> so this message appears _before_ grub?
[02:51] <xfire8> yes
[02:51] <vamp898> than it have nothing to do with ubuntu/linux/grub or something else. Its, as i said, a problem of your mainboard, your bios or something else.
[02:51] <xfire8> and only in restart not in shutdown
[02:52] <xfire8> my bios is default
[02:52] <vamp898> maybe your bios is cheap shit
[02:52] <xfire8> what the hell bios cheap shit ?
[02:53] <vamp898> there are a lot of stupid bios chips
[02:53] <xfire8> i have intel dp55wg
[02:56] <vamp898> yes but its still a bios-problem
[02:56] <xfire8> no its your mother-in the-board problem
[02:59] <freaky[t]> is there any good eMail client for kubuntu but thunderbird and kmail?
[03:01] <KiRiLoS> freaky[t], both of them are pretty good,u could try Evolution too(It's the default for ubuntu,Gtk...)
[03:01] <freaky[t]> yea but kmail doesnt work with my provider for some reason
[03:01] <catamarquence> what files on .kde do i have to copy to make all users have the same wallpaper and theme?
[03:02] <vamp898> .kde4 not .kde
[03:02] <freaky[t]> nm i got it working
[03:02] <vamp898> .kde4/share/config/plasma* i think
[03:02] <catamarquence> i have no .kde4 i have .kde
[03:03] <vamp898> do you have KDE3?
[03:03] <catamarquence> nope
[03:03] <catamarquence> kde4
[03:03] <vamp898> Ö_Ö
[03:03] <vamp898> does ubuntu/kubuntu replaces .kde4 with .kde?
[03:04] <Sir_Konrad> vamp898: I'm using KDE 3.
[03:05] <vamp898> Welcome in the past
[03:06] <tsimpson> vamp898: it's supposed to be .kde, it was only patched to be .kde4 when we used both KDE3 and KDE4 desktops
[03:06] <Sir_Konrad> lol. I hate KDE4.
[03:06] <vamp898> which KDE?
[03:06] <vamp898> there are 3 KDE4
[03:06] <vamp898> 4.0 4.1 4.2 and 4.3 (oh thats 4 xD)
[03:07] <vamp898> 4.3 is the stable one of them all
[03:07] <vamp898> 4.0 and 4.1 are for developers to port there applications
[03:07] <vamp898> and 4.2 is half-stable
[03:08] <vamp898> i dont find a reason to hate KDE 4.3.3 (for except Konqueror xD its not really usable as Webbrowser)
[03:08] <wubba> I am getting a Kernel Panic - not syncing: VFS Unable to mount root fs on unkown-block (0,0).  Did an upgrade using adept-manager.  It seemed to hang and then I got this message on reboot.
[03:09] <vamp898> which Version?
[03:09] <vamp898> *Kubuntu version
[03:09] <wubba> Well I was updated to 9.10
[03:09] <wubba> updating that is
[03:09] <wubba> I orginally had 7.10 - then went to 8.04
[03:09] <vamp898> hmmm i really never heard about much people where a update major update gone well
[03:09] <wubba> ON that upgrade it seemd to hang - so I rebooted
[03:10] <xfire8> what is the best ICQ for Kubuntu ?
[03:10] <vamp898> ICQ?
[03:10] <xfire8> yes
[03:10] <vamp898> you mean IM?
[03:10] <xfire8> ICQ = I Seeq You : example :85932589
[03:10] <vamp898> IM = Instant Messenger
[03:10] <sebsebseb> wubba: oh it's after upgrade
[03:10] <sebsebseb> ah ha
[03:10] <vamp898> Kopete and Pidgin seems to be quite good
[03:11] <NtTrain> hi all
[03:11] <wubba> sebsebseb
[03:11] <vamp898> wubba the update did hang on?
[03:11] <sebsebseb> wubba: an actsaul  9.04 to 9.10 upgrade not just upgrades for 9.10
[03:11] <NtTrain> can anyone help to use mobile broadband on 9.10?
[03:11] <sebsebseb> I was going to ask that
[03:11] <sebsebseb> wubba: Many people have had problems after upgrading 9.04 to 9.10!
[03:11] <NtTrain> can anyone help to use mobile broadband on 9.10? msg me thanks.
[03:11] <wubba> Right I was upgrading to 9.10  - i am not sure where it hung at - i just rebooted - bamm this is happening.
[03:11] <sebsebseb> wubba: I suggest  getting hold of any data you have on there, and clean installing 9.10
[03:12] <sebsebseb> also if  an update  isn't  fully done yes problems can happen
[03:12] <sebsebseb> distro upgrade I should say
[03:12] <vamp898> wubba your system is trash xD
[03:12] <wubba> sebsebseb Well I have the data on two other drives - have a seperate drive for the OS.
[03:12] <sebsebseb> yep  wubba  what  vamp898  said basicalley
[03:14] <wubba> My concern is I have that mythtv or whatever it is that comes with Kubuntu and don't want to loose my movies and ogg files.  If I reinstall a new 9.10 over the OS drive - will I be able to bring the info back into the system?
[03:14] <sebsebseb> (I think I was going to ask if it was a 9.04 to 9.10  upgrade anyway, well whatever)
[03:14] <vamp898> wubba you know that you can reinstall linux without removing your /home directory
[03:14] <sebsebseb> wubba: if the data is on  other partitions, well sure no problem
[03:14] <vamp898> so a seperate disk for OS is not needed
[03:14] <sebsebseb> !home |  wubba
[03:15] <wubba> You can move your home directory without booting the os?
[03:16] <sebsebseb> wubba:  looking at what you put earliaer
[03:16] <sebsebseb> wubba: you never upgraded it to 9.04
[03:16] <sebsebseb> ?
[03:17] <sebsebseb> oh seems  you  did get it upgraded to 9.10, but the upgrade to 8.04 was one you re booted or something
[03:17] <wubba> No - I had it orginally at 7.10 - been a pet project that sits on my desk.
[03:17] <wubba> went to 8.04 - was fine - and then started the next upgrade.
[03:17] <sebsebseb> The other stuff doesn't really matter this does though,  it got upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 and then  the issue yeah
[03:18] <wubba> I just have like 50 movies or more on there - and another 100 cd's I don't want to have to reburn.
[03:19] <sebsebseb> !piracy > wubba
[03:19] <wubba> Or the worst part of it - hearing my wife complain - why are you burning all those movies again???
[03:19] <wubba> ubottu - I own everything I burn
[03:19] <vamp898> wubba you dont have to save your data^^ just delete all folders _except_ for /home (never delete /home there are all your datas)
[03:19] <vamp898> than install Ubuntu
[03:20] <vamp898> when partition appears, say manual. Than says _not formatting_
[03:20] <vamp898> you´ll get an warning message that you partition will not be formattet and so all datas will be keept (you deleted everything exept /home so only /home will be kept)
[03:20] <wubba> ok - will it 'see' the other partitions and use them again for storage?
[03:20] <sebsebseb> it's easier to set up a seperate /home on install
[03:20] <sebsebseb> well
[03:20] <sebsebseb> I have never done it afterwoulds
[03:21] <vamp898> and the best thing is to choose a different username
[03:21] <sebsebseb> if  you make a seperate /home partition.   when you do a re install,  just make sure to tell it to use it as one in manual install
[03:21] <vamp898> than you´re on the safe side
[03:21] <vamp898> and then just mv your stuff from the old username in /home to the recent one
[03:21] <wubba> ok - I appreciate it everyone.
[03:22] <sebsebseb> sepeate homes also make distro hopping easier
[03:22] <Sir_Konrad> vamp898: sorry about the long response. I hate KDE 4 in general.
[03:22] <wubba> Why would you ever want to leave Kubuntu :)
[03:22] <sebsebseb> Sir_Konrad: same here, except for some of the apps that I will sometimes run in Gnome
[03:22] <vamp898> Sir_Konrad than you have to remove your conflicts with KDE4 and get familiar with it xD
[03:22] <sebsebseb> well Konversation is my main KDE app that I use nearly daily at the moment
[03:23] <vamp898> i hate what Kubuntu did with KDE4. In Distros like Archlinux or Gentoo it works awesome
[03:23] <wubba> Though I did start out with Redhat - many years ago.
[03:23] <sebsebseb> KDE 4 isn't like kubuntu KDE 3 which was pretty nice
[03:23] <vamp898> and Kubuntu have a lot of problems
[03:23] <Sir_Konrad> vamp898: I just use KDE 3.
[03:23] <Sir_Konrad> I love KDE 3.
[03:23] <sebsebseb> Sir_Konrad: There's a KDE 3 remix CD for  9.04 and 9.10  and you can get some repo/ppa
[03:23] <vamp898> i like KDE4 too
[03:23] <sebsebseb> !love |  Sir_Konrad
[03:25] <Sir_Konrad> sebsebseb: I know, that's what I'm using.
[03:25] <sebsebseb> yep thought that was probably it
[03:25] <sebsebseb> or whatever
[03:25] <Sir_Konrad> lol
[03:25] <sebsebseb> ,but good to tell you anyway
[03:25] <sebsebseb> which one 9.04 or 9.10?
[03:25] <sebsebseb> Sir_Konrad: lol @ what?
[03:25] <Sir_Konrad> [21:25] <sebsebseb> yep thought that was probably it
[03:26] <Sir_Konrad> I'm using Kubuntu 9.10 /w KDE 3.5.10
[03:26] <sebsebseb> I am not sure  what is funny about that
[03:26] <sebsebseb> thought it would be 9.10 or whatever :)
[03:26] <sebsebseb> whatever  being 9.04 in that case
[03:27] <asobi> in kde4, anyone way for konqueror to show mp3 id tags on mouse hover?
[03:27] <sebsebseb> I haven't done remix CD's I will in vm :)   I haven't clean installed 9.10 also yet, after testing since alpha 4.   I am not in a rush to do that also since this install works pretty well really, excpet for when I boot it up and it works to fix a journal and such.
[03:28] <sebsebseb> works to fix...  uhmm no,   wants to fix
[03:28]  * sebsebseb being a bit of a perfectionist again
[03:30] <sebsebseb> Sir_Konrad: Yeah it's so sad that KDE 3 is nearly dead
[03:30] <sebsebseb> (didn't need to put Yeah)
[03:30] <iDanNiel> Hello
[03:30] <iDanNiel> Hola
[03:31] <Sir_Konrad> sebsebseb: it sure is.
[03:31] <iDanNiel> seems to be many people here
[03:31] <sebsebseb> not that many here compared to certain other channels
[03:32] <iDanNiel> how can I join other channels?
[03:32] <sebsebseb>   /join  # whatever channel you want to join
[03:32] <sebsebseb> or  for some  /join  ##  whatever channel you want to join
[03:32] <iDanNiel> how can I view all the availavle channels
[03:32] <sebsebseb>   /list
[03:32] <vamp898> KDE3 is Hardmasked in Gentoo since few days :/ KDE3 defenetly dies
[03:32] <iDanNiel> thx
[03:32] <sebsebseb> np
[03:33] <sebsebseb> vamp898: Hardmasked meaning?
[03:33] <asobi> in kde4, anyone way for konqueror to show mp3 id tags on mouse hover?
[03:33] <iDanNiel>  /list
[03:33] <vamp898> cant be installed, even if you want
[03:33] <rjlynn> Hi guys. I'm having some trouble configuring OSS. I've FINALLY got my S/PDIF output working (nothing worked with ALSA, so I built the OSS drivers, and I have an output that functions). Is there some easy (ie, GUI) way to change what output is used? I'd use Pulseaudio, but there's no good graphical mixer for KDE
[03:33] <vamp898> you have to unmask it by hand if you want it
[03:33] <sebsebseb> vamp898: Really?  Well that sucks!
[03:33] <sebsebseb> unmask it by hand?
[03:33] <sebsebseb> do something so it can be installed
[03:34] <vamp898> there is a file called /etc/portage/package.unmask and you just have to put there packages you want to unmask in there
[03:34] <sebsebseb> oh ok
[03:34] <vamp898> since KDE 4.3.1 is stable in Gentoo they hardmasked KDE3
[03:35] <vamp898> that nobody installs KDE3 without knowing what he does
[03:35] <sebsebseb> he/she
[03:35] <rjlynn> Or heck, just point me to something like padevchooser, just for KDE
[03:35] <sebsebseb> he/she/it maybe even :)
[03:35] <vamp898> rjlynn kmix?
[03:35] <vamp898> padevchooser works fine on KDE
[03:36] <rjlynn> kmix isn't compatible with PulseAudio or OSS :/
[03:36] <vamp898> nobody needs Pulseaudio
[03:36] <sebsebseb> rjiynn???? what?  what's that?
[03:36] <vamp898> i did not get it why its default in Ubuntu
[03:36] <sebsebseb> padevchooser I don't know what that is either
[03:37] <sebsebseb> vamp898: yeah all those sound issues  that people have been getting  since Ubuntu 8.04
[03:37] <rjlynn> I know, I don't really want to use it either. But i need to be able to switch output devices easily and it's not quite intuitive with OSS
[03:37] <sebsebseb> when they put/introduced pulseaudio into Ubuntu
[03:38] <rjlynn> truth be told, ALSA was a bigger pain than pulseaudio, I couldn't for the life of me get it to let me use my S/PDIF out, which is on my laptop's minidock
[03:38] <vamp898> sebsebseb A simple GTK tool which allows quick access to some features of PulseAudio
[03:38] <vamp898> im using Alsa since today and never had problems^^
[03:38] <sebsebseb> I was asking what rjlynn  is, turns out it is a person
[03:39] <rjlynn> ohh haha. yeah.
[03:39] <sebsebseb> (it  or  they are above)
[03:39] <vamp898> rjlynn but as i said. your pedochooser or whatever it is called works fine in KDE
[03:39] <rjlynn> lemme give it a whirl.
[03:40] <vamp898> Pulseaudio is a network sound server right?
[03:41] <vamp898> why is it the default sound server in Ubuntu (still did not get it)
[03:41] <vamp898> does the typical ubuntu users streams his audio over the world?
[03:42] <rjlynn> No, definitely not, but it makes it pretty easy to change where streams are going to go locally
[03:42] <rjlynn> for instance, my home theatre system takes a good second of input before it will actually play anything through the speakers
[03:43] <rjlynn> so system notifications should really always play through the laptop speakers because they're so short I wont hear them through the surround sound
[03:43] <rjlynn> but I want music, etc to play through surround sound... and I dont want to have to drop to the command line just to swap outputs when I undock and go to my living room!
[03:43] <vamp898> and that does not work with alsa?
[03:45] <rjlynn> no, because for some reason alsa wont let me use the s/pdif out. it detects it and lists it on aplay -l but it doesn't ever work!
[03:45] <forge__> why would tzdata package not be found for intrepid-updates?
[03:45] <rjlynn> OSS uses it correctly, but the mixer isnt nearly as useful as alsa's - i have to make symlinks in /dev/ in order t change the default output
[03:46] <ForgeAus> also how to get wine to stop trying to wget from wine.budgetdedicated.com server?
[03:47] <vamp898> killall -s KILL ?
[03:47] <vamp898> rjlynn did you ever tried JACK?
[03:48] <vamp898> can anyone give me the output of apt-cache search any app
[03:48] <vamp898> i need just one line, the first output
[03:51] <vamp898> common plz any output of apt-cache search
[03:52] <ForgeAus> it just returns: appname - description
[03:52] <ForgeAus> (if found)
[03:52] <vamp898> yes but i need any example
[03:52] <ForgeAus> chromium - fast paced, arcade-style, scrolling space shooter
[03:52] <vamp898> ah ok
[03:53] <vamp898> is there a space after chromium?
[03:53] <ForgeAus> as I said appname - descroption
[03:53] <ForgeAus> lol I actually meant the browser, but I got a game instead lol
[03:53] <ForgeAus> apparently chrome (as in the google one) isn't in this repo (I did have one of the development vers' at some point)
[03:54] <vamp898> for i in $( apt-cache search fps | cut -d ' ' -f 1 ); do apt-get install $i done
[03:54] <vamp898> it is in Archlinux :P
[03:54] <vamp898> aur/google-chrome-dev 4.0.237.0-1 (334)
[03:54] <vamp898>     Google Chrome Developer preview channel for Linux
[03:55] <ForgeAus> vamp, not necessarily
[03:55] <ForgeAus> oh sorry I misread you
[03:57] <vamp898> there is also a package for chromium
[03:58] <vamp898> but i did not get the difference of chromium and chrome
[04:00] <ForgeAus> chromium is the engine, chrome is the browser, from what I can gather
[04:00] <ForgeAus> (but there seems to be also a game called chromium thats causing me some confusion too)
[04:00] <vamp898> but when i install chromium
[04:01] <vamp898> i have the same like when i install chrome
[04:01] <robin0800> ForgeAus: chrome is from google
[04:01] <vamp898> just different logos/icons
[04:05] <ForgeAus> yes robin :)
[04:06] <ForgeAus> I dont thinnk its been officially released for Linux (not too sure where its currently at with OSX but similar story there too)
[04:08] <ForgeAus> thats weird Apple dropped ZFS!
[04:09] <ishabalov> Apple?
[04:09] <ForgeAus> sorry, shouldn't have said that here lol
[04:14] <vamp898> ForgeAus the SVN Version works fine
[04:14] <ForgeAus> I believe you vamp...
[04:14] <vamp898> but i dont like Google Chrome at all xD
[04:14] <ForgeAus> hmm karmic uses EXT4?
[04:14] <vamp898> ext4 4tw
[04:15] <vamp898> i hope for the complete Webkit integratin in Konqueror
[04:15] <vamp898> atm it does not support Java :/
[04:15] <ForgeAus> I would too, if not dropping webkit for something else, if  Apples restrictions are choking it
[04:16] <vamp898> Apple would die
[04:16] <ForgeAus> I was talking about in konqueror
[04:16] <vamp898> in fact, in my eyes they are already dead in the software branch
[04:16] <vamp898> Mac OS X is just a 0815 BSD System
[04:17] <ForgeAus> yes with a GUI layer called Aqua ontop of it
[04:17] <vamp898> yes and this guy layer isnt this good
[04:17] <ForgeAus> the kernel is a hybrid actually (its Mach + 4.3BSD)
[04:17] <vamp898> yes and i dont know why they did it
[04:17] <vamp898> that just does the kernel unsecure
[04:18] <ForgeAus> well it seems to work
[04:18] <vamp898> Linux seems to work too
[04:18] <vamp898> FreeBSD too
[04:18] <ForgeAus> I'm fairly happy with OSX... for the most part
[04:19] <vamp898> depends on workload ;)
[04:19] <ForgeAus> what doesn't?
[04:19] <vamp898> there is for example no RealTime Kernel
[04:19] <petr_> hello                   It is me once more
[04:19] <ForgeAus> hey petr
[04:19] <Guest7416> again
[04:20] <vamp898> ForgeAus Webkit is LGPL/BSD License. I dont think that Apple are able to do something bad with it
[04:20] <vamp898> Without the support of all the OpenSource developer Apple would die
[04:21] <Moscow_sindisho> I can not use SSH because I locate in local reae netvork!!!!!!!!!!
[04:21] <ForgeAus> apple and microsoft both say they support ospensource, but both also say they don't need/require it...
[04:21] <Moscow_sindisho> what I shoult to do to solve it?
[04:21] <ForgeAus> Microsoft released drivers for Linux kernel didn't they?
[04:21] <vamp898> ForgeAus i dont think Ö_Ö
[04:22] <Moscow_sindisho> only installing sprecial program?
[04:22] <ForgeAus> moscow? sorry I didn't know SSH wasn't usable within a LAN
[04:22] <vamp898> ForgeAus but they have something called Unix Subsystem for Windows
[04:22] <vamp898> ForgeAus with this you cann use Linux native inside a Windows
[04:22] <ForgeAus> microsofts SUA is a POSIX subsystem
[04:22] <ForgeAus> I find it more interesting that Microsoft don't have their own *nix-based OS on the market...
[04:23] <vamp898> The Unix Subsystem is something like a own *nix-based OS
[04:23] <vamp898> ^^
[04:23] <ForgeAus> actually you can use Linux native within windows...
[04:23] <Moscow_sindisho> no no no   I have not real IP    and can not connect through ssh to external machine
[04:23] <ForgeAus> colinux is the way to achieve it, (or something packaged with it, like AndLinux is one of my favs...)
[04:23] <Moscow_sindisho> WHY?
[04:24] <ForgeAus> essentially its like a Virtual machine - kernel emulation?)
[04:24] <ForgeAus> not real IP? whats that mean?
[04:24] <vamp898> no it uses the Windows Kernel
[04:24] <Moscow_sindisho> I do not know
[04:24] <vamp898> when you type uname -a you´ll get the Windows NT Kernel Information
[04:25] <ForgeAus> Vamp yes uses windows Kernel but the Andlinux/Colinux emulate the linux kernel inside them don't they somehow?)
[04:25] <ForgeAus> or at least translate between somehow
[04:26] <davidjheinrich> when using the rename command, what's the diff between rename 's/search/replace' * and rename 'y/search/replace' *    ? I want to replace all instances of ", " in filenames with "," ... but neither is working
[04:26] <Moscow_sindisho> I write "ssh myname@hostname"   And program wait  wait and wait --- and after 2 minuts say  "time limit excided"
[04:26] <ForgeAus> at least andlinux is nice enough to package an X-server, Microsoft's SUA doesn't have one!...
[04:26] <davidjheinrich> the s/ variety just replaces the first instances; the y/ option puts commas after every space
[04:26] <ForgeAus> (it has other parts of X tho)
[04:27] <vamp898> ForgeAus uhm there is something called Gentoo Prefix which installes a complete gentoo incl. Xorg with the SUA in Windows
[04:27] <ForgeAus> Moscow, then use ifconfig to find the IP and use the IP to connect to instead?
[04:27] <vamp898> and it works fine. You can install xming and than run gui apps
[04:27] <ForgeAus> vamp yes I know
[04:28] <ForgeAus> Gentoo prefixes are like a Gentoo Subsystem (Gentoo-Alt/Gentoo Prefix works in SUA too but no X server without something like Hummingbird Xceed or X-ming or whatever addon X-server for windows you can get/find/prefer)
[04:28] <ForgeAus> X-ming is based on cygwin's old Xwin X-server...)
[04:28] <vamp898> Wikipedia sais
[04:29] <davidjheinrich> ahh, I figured it out, to replace all instances of an expression, I use replace 's/search/replace/g' *
[04:29] <vamp898> X-Ming have nothing to do with Cygwin
[04:29] <ForgeAus> thats kinda a lie, but its also true, in that it no longer is dependant on CYGWIN
[04:29] <vamp898> it sais X-Ming have to do with MingW
[04:29] <ForgeAus> but did originally come from the X-server that was built into Cygwin afaik...
[04:29] <ForgeAus> yes MingW thats correct...
[04:30] <vamp898> Wikipedia sais X-Ming is not based on Cygwin or did ever used Cygwin^^ its just a X-Server compiled for windows using mingw
[04:30] <ForgeAus> that doesn't sound right, maybe I'm wrong?... not sure there
[04:31] <vamp898> but its not from interest
[04:31] <vamp898> X-Ming works fine
[04:31] <vamp898> and fast
[04:31] <ForgeAus> it is an x-server recompiled for windows, that I agree with, but afaik it had its origins in cygwins X-Win x-server
[04:31] <Moscow_sindisho> NONONO     I write    "ssh  -Y petr@121.12....  "   IP!!!
[04:31] <ForgeAus> uses exactly the same structure and presents itself exactly the same way as Cygwins did, although its moved on since then
[04:31] <webbb82> i was trying to compile slide launcher from source but could not get it to work  but i just draged the install.sh file and droped it into the terminal and it instaled
[04:32] <Moscow_sindisho> Some people saw me - use ssh tunnel )))
[04:32] <vamp898> ForgeAus Cygwin is just an API Wrapper. X-Ming runs native
[04:32] <Moscow_sindisho> tram-pam-pam
[04:34] <ForgeAus> yes, but Xming originally had a .dll from cygwin (I don't think it has it any longer) not sure why they needed it...
[04:34] <Moscow_sindisho> ForgeAus ????
[04:34] <Moscow_sindisho> ssh
[04:34] <ForgeAus> Moscow, sorry ssh isn't something that I know much about...
[04:35] <ForgeAus> nor is tunnelling all that much but maybe it helps to know what protocols your using?
[04:35] <ishabalov> moscow - what is your problem?
[04:35] <Moscow_sindisho> fuck sorry - solve my problem
[04:35] <ForgeAus> lol bad language isn't going to help you solve it Moscow
[04:35] <Moscow_sindisho> I wrote ssh - Y petr@IP    and ssh do not work   only wait something
[04:36] <ForgeAus> fair enough...
[04:36] <ForgeAus> ok so which two machines are you using (or is it all on the one machine what your sshing from and to?)
[04:37] <Moscow_sindisho> nonono    I install OPENSSH   on my HOMEmashine
[04:37] <Moscow_sindisho> and I go to University!!!    And I try to connect to my home openssh....    but it is not work
[04:37] <ForgeAus> Moscow I'm not disputing that, you obviously have to have some ssh program to use it :)...
[04:38] <anonymous_> hello
[04:38] <maco> Moscow_sindisho: dont forget, if youre behind a router, youre going to need to do some port forwarding to access it from outside
[04:38] <ForgeAus> ok, well firstly theres possibilities you may be running into issues with the University's secruity .. (like firewalls blocking ports, etc...)
[04:38] <Moscow_sindisho> AAAA      fucking cocroach
[04:38] <maco> well...at least if the
[04:38] <maco> Moscow_sindisho: youve been warned about your language once
[04:38] <ishabalov> moscow - did you try to connect from school to home machine using ssh?
[04:38] <maco> should i test out my ops powers?
[04:39] <maco> i was going to say "at least if the router is NATing"
[04:39] <ForgeAus> ishabalov from what I can gather thats what they're trying to do
[04:39] <anonymous_> anyone have a problem with the sound hard in HP pavillion dv6 with ubuntu?
[04:39] <Moscow_sindisho> Yes!!   one man in University saw me that I can not connect directly to external PC from our university network
[04:39] <Moscow_sindisho> I need to use proxy
[04:39] <ishabalov> yes - if you have "real" ip at home, at least one.
[04:40] <ishabalov> how you home copm is connected to the net?
[04:40] <davidjheinrich> can website addresses have commas in them?
[04:41] <Moscow_sindisho> home comp have real IP  and ALLL work in home comp ---- quastion in University exit to network
[04:41] <ForgeAus> David, I doubt it, but can't quite remember... it sounds dubious to me... if at all possible
[04:41] <davidjheinrich> err, nuts
[04:41] <d9500> i'm looking for a way that i can make the borders and edges of my windows take on the same glass look as the plasma panel, but keep the default circular shape for the minimize, maximize, and close buttons.
[04:42] <SilentDis> davidjheinrich: yes and no, some CMS stuff puts commas in them (specifically, i've seen them at C-Net).  mind you, they're never in the root url (http://www.kubuntu.org/ can't have commas there)
[04:42] <ishabalov> sertainly they can block all traffic for 22 port, but it will be unusual
[04:42] <d9500> the themes i found on kde look seem to insist on replacing those circular buttons with vista-ish or win xp type buttons
[04:42] <ishabalov> can you connect with ssh from home to school?
[04:42] <ForgeAus> davidjheinrich: http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=998705 ??? might help
[04:42] <davidjheinrich> I'm trying to rename my files & directories to be easier to work with & web-compatible for a website...so I have things like, "sarahs-garden,flowers"
[04:42] <anonymous_> can someone help me out with my sound card?
[04:42] <ForgeAus> (note: google is your friend)
[04:42] <Moscow_sindisho> yes yes yes   may be all traffic blocked   if port is not 80    because internet is work fine
[04:43] <maco> d9500: sounds like you wanna hack the theme
[04:43] <SilentDis> !sound | anonymous_, what seems to be the problem, and have you looked this over?
[04:43] <maco> d9500: but take a look at kde-look.org and see if maybe theres something you like
[04:43] <davidjheinrich> yae, my commas would be in url paths, not the domain-name
[04:44] <SilentDis> davidjheinrich: as i said, depends on the CMS they're using, but they are valid on some servers (microsoft loved 'em for a while with their various asp pages, for example)
[04:44] <anonymous_> i heard their is an issue with compatibility i am using  HP pavillion dv6
[04:44] <ForgeAus> davidjheinrich, I'd advise against it where possible, but depending on several factors it may work (if your lucky)...
[04:44] <davidjheinrich> what about apostrophes?
[04:45] <ForgeAus> pretty much similar from my point of view...
[04:45] <davidjheinrich> i.e., "www.address.com/directory/sarah's_flowers.html"
[04:45] <SilentDis> davidjheinrich: again, depends on the CMS, but overall, as ForgeAus said, never a great idea if you're building your own site.  best to stick to basics :)
[04:45] <davidjheinrich> arg
[04:46] <davidjheinrich> I'd think that characters that don't need to be escaped (\) in Linux would work
[04:46] <davidjheinrich> :-(
[04:46] <ForgeAus> most non-alphanumeric characters (even hyphens and ?'s ) are encoded as % and some kinda number ...
[04:46] <anonymous_> there is no sound what so ever,the sound is not muted.everything is supposed to be working..note sound works on vista
[04:46] <davidjheinrich> hmm, I see lots of sites with hyphens not encoded as %#
[04:46] <davidjheinrich> i.e., http://www.go2linux.org/rename-bulk-files-with-linux-console-command
[04:47] <SilentDis> i'll call on ?s and &s a lot when i do php for example, but i do stay away from most special characters in any url formation.
[04:47] <ForgeAus> yeah, good point I might have gone a bit overboard by saying '-' character :)
[04:47] <davidjheinrich> and _'s are ok too, right?
[04:48] <ForgeAus> SilentDis, sure but thats because = ? and & have a particular meaning in the URL for php
[04:48] <SilentDis> ForgeAus: exactly.  just like the comma, apostrophe, etc, have special meaning to various Microsoft CMS
[04:49] <maco> if you put double-quotes in a file name, firefox throws away everything from the double-quote onward
[04:49] <maco> fun stuff :)
[04:49] <davidjheinrich> ok, I guess I just have to name directories with keywords, and avoid grammatical relationships
[04:49] <ForgeAus> davidjheinrich: what exactly are you trying to to, it might turn out to be a trial and error thing...
[04:49] <d9500> maco: the dekorator engine will do what i want as far as letting me theme the borders, but no one yet seems to make a theme that will border the windows with the same sort of 'smoky glass' look that the plasma panel has.
[04:50] <d9500> maco: how would i go about hacking a theme anyway? what programming skills required?
[04:50] <davidjheinrich> I have thousands of photographs organized in directories by date, subject, etc. I want to make these directories (a) easy to navigate in Linux, so no escape characters, minimal typing, easy completion; (b) Directly uploadable as a directory to a site
[04:50] <ForgeAus> davidjheinrich: I'm just saying your much SAFER sticking with alphanumerics I can't say for certain your usage will or won't work with apostrophe's or commas or whatever character you select, its just less safe depending on how the server/browser, etc. handle them )
[04:50] <maco> i dont actually have window borders, so....im not sure what you mean, but i thought there was a blue smokey glass theme by default?
[04:50] <maco> d9500: no programming....just markup
[04:50] <maco> i think
[04:50] <maco> it should just be a lot of "use this style" "here are the colors" "use these images for buttons" etc
[04:51] <ForgeAus> davidjheinrich: and your looking for a separator?
[04:51] <davidjheinrich> yea
[04:51] <ForgeAus> davidjheinrich: I take it - isn't acceptible for some reason?
[04:51] <davidjheinrich> it'd be nice if  I could still fulfill the grammatical functions that commas and apostrophes use
[04:51] <davidjheinrich> I've been using - as a replacement for spaces
[04:51] <davidjheinrich> I don't like underscores because I need to press shift to use them
[04:51] <SilentDis> davidjheinrich: ah.  stick to dash, underscore, and maybe an occasional parenthesis :)
[04:52] <ForgeAus> I tend to try and avoid spaces, I also don't like underscores to be honest...
[04:52] <ForgeAus> what I use is PascalCase like that
[04:52] <maco> CamelCase
[04:52] <ForgeAus> IndianaJonesAndTheTempleOfDoom...
[04:52] <maco> because camels have humps
[04:52] <ForgeAus> that may not be acceptible for your purpose tho
[04:52] <maco> CamelCase is common in Java, but _ looks more like a space Hello_there has that proper bit of gap in the middle...and is more popular with C programmers
[04:53] <davidjheinrich> I guess I'll just use keywords and - as a separator
[04:53] <ForgeAus> maco yes and you can use proper case for Proper Nouns that way - and differentiate them from non-proper ones :)
[04:53] <davidjheinrich> although for web-pages, it's useful if it is easy for the viewer to remember, so probably want to keep it as a phrase
[04:54] <davidjheinrich> ok, quick Q, why is the following dumping me with a > like it wants me to finish it ? : rename -n 's/\'s//g' *
[04:54] <davidjheinrich> I want to get rid of all apostrophe-s's (remove 's)
[04:54] <ForgeAus> davidjheinrich: using - as a separator and keywords is probably the safest... I'd recommend doing that, because thats the least way you can go wrong...  ... I think...
[04:55] <luis_> hello i cant get in virtual box because of an error while triying to run the virtual machine, the result code is this one: http://pastebin.com/m2dce1a3a pls i need help
[04:55] <maco> davidjheinrich: try " around the regex
[04:55] <ForgeAus> maco: because its a string not a single character?
[04:55] <davidjheinrich> ok, that worked
[04:55] <maco> luis_: did you run the command it told you to?
[04:55] <davidjheinrich> can I just always use " instead of ' around regex?
[04:56] <maco> ForgeAus: because it changes how escaped characters and variables are interpretted
[04:56] <ForgeAus> davidjheinrich: afaik ' is only for single characters... generally " is for strings...
[04:56] <luis_> maco: luis@Kubuntu:~$ /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup
[04:56] <luis_> bash: /etc/init.d/vboxdrv: No existe el fichero ó directorio
[04:57] <luis_> doesnt exist
[04:57] <maco> yeah i gathered
[04:57] <luis_> huh?
[04:57] <maco> i could translate it
[04:58] <luis_> oh ok
[04:59] <luis_> u know a solution? i was testing and installing Mythbuntu
[04:59] <maco> hmm i dont have that file either, but vbox works for me...
[04:59] <luis_> ok i will try one thing
[04:59] <luis_> whats the aptitude command to desinstall
[05:00] <maco> did you install virtualbox from the repository?
[05:00] <luis_> i made an error
[05:00] <maco> hang on
[05:00] <luis_> first i installed it from the oficial page
[05:00] <maco> did you get it from sun's website or from the repository?
[05:00] <luis_> but later i installed guest packages from repos
[05:00] <luis_> so it turned into Virtual Box OSE
[05:00] <maco> yeah uninstall all that
[05:01] <luis_> with package manager i removed files, and reinstalled box from oficial site
[05:01] <luis_> error started
[05:01] <maco> purge them both
[05:01] <maco> sudo aptitude purge
[05:01] <luis_> "purge"?
[05:01] <maco> yes, removes all traces of the package
[05:02] <maco> sudo aptitude purge virtualbox-ose
[05:02] <maco> list all the packages
[05:02] <trampel> always thought there should be an aptitude option for "binge"
[05:02] <luis_> maco:   virtualbox-ose{p}
[05:02] <menox> lol
[05:02] <luis_> why the lol
[05:02] <davidjheinrich> is there any way that, with rename, I can find and remove occurences of at and or and eliminate them, all at once?
[05:03] <maco> rename 's/at//g;s/or//g' ?
[05:03] <luis_> huh?
[05:04] <davidjheinrich> hmmm, yea I guess that'd work...that's almost like just doing rename over several times, though
[05:04] <luis_> ok, ose removed but still error happening
[05:04] <maco> except you only type one :)
[05:04] <maco> luis_: do that to *all* the virtualbox packages you have installed
[05:04] <maco> that should get you a clean slate to reinstall from sun's webste
[05:04] <luis_> but whats virtual box name
[05:05] <davidjheinrich> true
[05:05] <luis_> i tried sudo aptitude purge sun-virtualbox
[05:05] <davidjheinrich> so saves a little bit of typing
[05:05] <luis_> package doesnt exist
[05:05] <davidjheinrich> can there  be spaces between the semicolons?
[05:06] <luis_> maco: ?
[05:06] <ForgeAus> I don't like Virtualbox since sun took over :( innotech was way better/simpler
[05:06] <davidjheinrich> oh, I better make it s/\ or\ //g' to avoid removing or from the middle of words
[05:06] <ForgeAus> now you have different vers for different kernels and its all... complicated
[05:07] <ForgeAus> as well as ose (open source edition)
[05:07] <maco> dpkg -l *virtual*
[05:07] <maco> ^ will tell you pkg names
[05:08] <trampel> (if there are no files in the directory with 'virtual' in there names)
[05:09] <ForgeAus> maco much like a apt-cache search
[05:09] <trampel> s/there/their/   -sigh-
[05:09] <maco> ForgeAus: apt-cache search doesnt tell you if the package is installed
[05:10] <ForgeAus> is htat what the first column with un ii pn, etc means?
[05:10] <maco> yes
[05:10] <maco> note the rows of "hey, here's what these columns mean!" at the top of the output...
[05:10] <maco> first column = Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[05:11] <maco> so if you set a package to a status in dselect, it goes there
[05:11] <ForgeAus> it just says || Name Version Description for the columns here...
[05:11] <maco> second column = Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
[05:11] <maco> no no the first 3 columns
[05:11] <maco> youre referring to the last 3
[05:11] <maco> there are 6 columns
[05:11] <ForgeAus> oh IC
[05:11] <maco> hopefully the 3rd is always blank, since its errors ;-)
[05:12] <maco> but anyway, 2nd column tells you the actual status
[05:12] <maco> so if you set it to install a package in dselect and then it doesnt actually do so because its not available, it might say "in"
[05:12] <maco> (ubuntu doesnt use dselect much...its not very friendly)
[05:12] <maco> ii = "you want it installed, and it is"
[05:12] <maco> pn = "you want it purged, and its not installed at all"
[05:13] <maco> etc
[05:21] <dylan_> hey does anyone on here know why ubuntu 9.10's internet is running extremely slow
[05:24] <dylan_> i'll tke that as a no
[05:24] <trampel> dylan_:  might want to browse this:  http://www.uluga.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1307418    ...or not.
[05:27] <dylan_> my download speed is fine but when but it's like after i click a link the status bar says "looking for google"(example) for like a good minute and a half before it goes
[05:27] <darkaura> hi I have a problem I was wondering if someone could help me
[05:28] <trampel> (does this work...?):
[05:28] <trampel> !ask
[05:28] <trampel> (yep)
[05:29] <luis_> maco: finally god... thx dude, now i got another question, i wanna install the guest additions, but after clicking the option it does anything, but it changes my mounted iso into vboxguestadditions, but when i try to run it it says not bootable media was found...
[05:30] <maco> <-- not dude
[05:30] <darkaura> okay I have a problem with viewing my windows share folder, I'm able to see my windows computer, and it pops up with a username and password box.  I put the username and password that I use on my windows box in the pop up I get, and then it looks like its going to read the shared folder and then I recieve an internal error in dolphin
[05:30] <maco> you dont run it...
[05:30] <maco> theres a deb once the iso is mounted in there
[05:30] <maco> install that deb
[05:30] <ForgeAus> trampel all its saying is asking to ask is pointless (although I'm not sure about ubottu but I certainly understand its often a matter of being polite or just simply testing if anyone is here to respond, but really nobody can answer the question anyway they can't say they can answer a question that hasn't been asked of them yet... if that makes any sense)
[05:31] <trampel> ForgeAus: can i ask a question?
[05:32] <dylan_> speaking of vbox will atlantica online run just as fast in virtual box instead of installing windows next to ubuntu
[05:32] <ForgeAus> exactly trampel ... whats the point in that question? firstly its a proxy in itself... its not the quesiton you want to ask its asking if you can ask it... and secondly, of course you can ask a question, its more a matter of will someone respond?...
[05:33] <trampel> ForgeAus: ah but you're forgetting the third tenant of the buddha, what is the meaning in the absence of that which is lacking all relative importance by and without consideration of the true inner meaning
[05:34] <trampel> or in other words... this is the #kubuntu channel
[05:34] <ForgeAus> dylan, generally virtualization does have some kind of performance hit, but I doubt it will be what I consider significant... what you consider significant on the other hand?.... thats up to you
[05:34] <d9500> dylan_: vbox incurs a slight performance hit for most programs, since you're running an os on top of an os, and the virtualized os does not have dedicated access to the hardware.
[05:34] <ForgeAus> trampel too many negatives to follow what you meant there
[05:35] <ForgeAus> does the absence of something lacking even make sense?...
[05:36] <d9500> dylan_: i'm not familiar with atlantica online, but if it requires a lot of 3 acceleration, it will probably incur more than a slight performance hit. vbox can pass the opengl calls through to the host video card if you have a video card/driver that does 3d well, with partial success. but the 3d support is still nothing like native speed
[05:39] <ForgeAus> assuming its a windows program theres the option of running it in wine, but again if its 3D then you are probably better to check wines appDB...
[05:40] <luis_> maco: finally god... thx dude, now i got another question, i wanna install the guest additions, but after clicking the option it does anything, but it changes my mounted iso into vboxguestadditions, but when i try to run it it says not bootable media was found...
[05:40] <maco> luis_: i alrady replied tothat
[05:40] <luis_> 0_0
[05:40] <luis_> didnt see sorry
[05:40] <luis_> can u copypasta?
[05:40] <trampel> darkaura: can you reach the windows share from another windows box?
[05:42] <maco> luis_: moutnt he iso in the vm, go to where its mounted, andinstall the deb from the iso
[05:42] <darkaura> trampel yes I can and if I go add a folder I can make shortcuts to the shared folder but in order to play video in VLC player I have to mount the shared folder and I can't seem to do that
[05:45] <trampel> darkaura: what error message do you see if you try something like:   mount -t smbfs -o username=name,password=password //machinename/sharename /mnt/smbshare      ...?
[05:45] <luis_> maco: i dont understand what u r trying to say, the iso doesnt wanna run, so i get no install
[05:45] <luis_> its all mounted already
[05:45] <luis_> whats rare is than the iso appeared mounted, without a download window opening or something
[05:46] <luis_> and i dont wanna download the guest addis from repos, for what, to make same error again? lo
[05:46] <luis_> l
[05:47] <maco> luis_: what?
[05:47] <maco> you dont run the iso
[05:47] <maco> the iso is mounted...fine
[05:47] <luis_> nop the iso doesnt wanna run
[05:47] <luis_> is mounted
[05:47] <maco> isos dont get run. period, thats not how they work
[05:47] <maco> youre not SUPPOSED to run an iso
[05:48] <luis_> i know, but yes running it in VB
[05:48] <maco> it is mounted somewhere in the vm. go to the directory in the vm where it is mounted
[05:48] <maco> there should be a package in that directory since the iso contains a package
[05:48] <maco> install the package
[05:48] <luis_> and where is that package...
[05:48] <maco> depends whre you mounted the iso
[05:48] <luis_> i mounted it in Mythbuntu
[05:49] <maco>  /media/cdrom/ maybe?
[05:49] <darkaura> trampel I'm stupid I didn't even think of doing it that way now is it possible to have that done on start up?
[05:49] <luis_> thats the VM name
[05:49] <luis_> holda
[05:49] <maco> what is the mountpoint WITHIN the vm?
[05:49] <trampel> darkaura: you're not stupid.... that's the *old* knowledge  ;)
[05:49] <luis_> i mean, its mounted in VM called Mythbuntu
[05:49] <luis_> so i think yes, cdrom, but where i find the direc?
[05:50] <maco> luis_: go to the VM's /media/cdrom
[05:50] <maco> click around inside the VM
[05:50] <maco> til you get to its cd drive
[05:50] <trampel> darkaura: i'm sure it is possible ... but not exactly what you mean by "on start  up"  ...if you really mean start up, then i'd add it as a script under "/etc/rc2.d" maybe
[05:50] <luis_> ok
[05:50] <luis_> BUT
[05:50] <luis_> where are talking about opening the direc with VB, not with dolphin true?
[05:51] <darkaura> trampel well when I get into KDE after my wireless has connected
[05:51] <trampel> darkaura: how about at the bottom of your .bashrc then?
[05:51] <maco> luis_: INSIDE the VM
[05:51] <luis_> ok
[05:51] <maco> luis_: open a Dolphin instance INSIDE the VM
[05:51] <luis_> i am in VM cdrom =)
[05:51] <luis_> OH LOL
[05:51] <maco> ok
[05:51] <trampel> darkaura: with suitable "sudo ..." probably?
[05:52] <luis_> dolphin instance inside the Vm... WHERE is the VM?
[05:52] <luis_> and i am not saying it aloud... i am just contrasting =)
[05:53] <darkaura> trampel so I'm looking at my .bashrc, and lets just say it's been a while how do I add it?
[05:54] <menox> why not put it in your startup programs in kde?
[05:54] <trampel> darkaura: make a backup copy of it, then open it with an editor, scroll to the bottom and add it, save ...and go have a beer?   **or** do what menox has just suggested
[05:55] <luis_> maco: first of all i must tell u... i think virtualboxguest additions is not installed, cause when u click the option to install it, the NAME gets mounted in the VM, but i dont see an iso or a deb ANYWHERE
[05:57] <luis_> maco: nevermind... the iso was in the usr/share/vb... but the rare thing is than when u try to boot the machine it says: not bootable media found, and obviously the VBGA is mounted =/
[05:57] <maco> you dont boot from the iso
[05:58] <maco> you install something inside the vm
[05:58] <maco> then you mount the vbox extensions iso insde the vm
[05:58] <maco> then you install a package from the mounted iso into the v
[05:58] <maco> *vm's os
[05:59] <darkaura> going to reboot and try it see what happens brb
[05:59] <luis_> maco: then if i dont boot the iso... for what is that iso, and why when u click the option inside VB to install VBGA the name "VBGA" gets mounted in my V machine
[06:00] <luis_> VGBA iso*
[06:00] <maco> luis_: do you understand what guest extensions means?
[06:00] <luis_> nop
[06:00] <luis_> i just know there are like plugins
[06:01] <maco> its a package you install into the *guest* operating system to make the guest able to handle the virtualized hardware better
[06:01] <luis_> oh
[06:01] <luis_> ok but
[06:01] <luis_> "<maco> you install something inside the vm" what is that "something"
[06:01] <maco> an operating system
[06:02] <luis_> where i found that, i wanna install it already
[06:02] <luis_> OH ROFLMAOOL
[06:02] <luis_> know i got u
[06:02] <luis_> so i install the OS mythbuntu first
[06:02] <luis_> then i install the Guest additions
[06:02] <luis_> its that?
[06:03] <maco> yes
[06:03] <luis_> ok =)
[06:06] <bill_> using Kubuntu 9.10 now
[06:08] <dylan_> how much memory should i give windows xp in virtualbox?
[06:09] <Blizzerand> dylan_ : try #vbox
[06:09] <d9500> dylan_: how much memory do you have in your computer that is running the native OS?
[06:09] <dylan_> i have 500 gig hard drive
[06:09] <d9500> dylan: RAM, I mean, not storage
[06:10] <darkaura> so I guess I didn't add it to my startup correctly, because it didn't work
[06:10] <dylan_> i think 4 mb does that sound right
[06:10] <dylan_> i could be dead wrong
[06:10] <menox> lol!!!!
[06:10] <dylan_> yea i thought so
[06:10] <dylan_> lol
[06:10] <dylan_> h/o i'll find out
[06:10] <d9500> dylan_: if you're referring to RAM, then windows XP needs at least 512 MB. 768 would be better.
[06:10] <bill_> more like 4gb
[06:10] <dylan_> yea that's it lol
[06:11] <dylan_> so how much base memory?
[06:11] <dylan_> would that be ram?
[06:12] <d9500> dylan_: yes, base memory in this case refers to RAM. as far as how much to give XP, then I would say anywhere bwteen 512 and 768. however, note carefully how much RAM your actual physical computer has installed.
[06:13] <dylan_> i'm good i got a decent computer i just bought it  couple months ago but how big should i make the virtual hard drive?
[06:14] <menox> winxp will run like crap with 512MB RAM. i would do more if you can spare it
[06:14] <dylan_> i put 768 of ram
[06:15] <menox> that will be good
[06:15] <d9500> dylan: if it's just for a program or two, then a few GB over what the actual XP OS itself takes up should be fine. if you plan to save a lot of documents and files in there, then you'll need more space. a good hint is to use a dynamically expanding hard drive, then set it a few GB above what the actual XP install takes. then, as you save more stuff inside the VM, your virtual hard drive can "grow" with it.
[06:15] <menox> how big is your hard drive?
[06:16] <dylan_> 500 gig
[06:18] <menox> dylan_ : what d9500 said...
[06:18] <dylan_> lol
[06:19] <d9500> dylan_, let me know if you need any assistance with making sure the virtual hard drive is the dynamically expanding type
[06:19] <dylan_> it is
[06:19] <dylan_> i set it to that in the beginning the only question i have left is how much video memory i should set to windows xp
[06:19] <dylan_> i have 128 mb
[06:22] <d9500> i usually set my VMs to 128 MB video memory. if you're not planning on doing anything video-memory-intensive (opening multiple large photos--for example phototshop--,gaming, or scanning documents to the xp virtual machine) then  64 mb should be enough
[06:22] <dylan_> if i set it to 128 it won't make kubuntu crash?
[06:23] <Gintulis> wtf? after last update, not work mice Logitech RX1000
[06:24] <d9500> dylan_, never had it happen on my vbox, and i'm running kde here. i'm not sure if vbox, when drawing to video RAM, uses the native system's RAM modules, or the video RAM on the video card but either way, if you have plenty of RAM and a relatively modern intel, nvidia, orati card you should be fine to set it to 128 mb video RAM for the virtual machine
[06:25] <dylan_> sweet :) thanks
[06:25] <gt> hello, hey where i can get python?
[06:26] <d9500> gt, it should already be installed on most linux distros.
[06:26] <d9500> what distro are you running
[06:26] <gt> 8.04
[06:27] <d9500> ubuntu?
[06:27] <gt> kubuntu
[06:27] <d9500> open your package manager--synaptic or adept--and do a search for python. see if it shows as installed
[06:28] <gt> ok
[06:30] <d9500> gt: 8.04 will probably only have an older version of python available, though. if you need python 3.1 for development purposes, try https://launchpad.net/~medigeek/+archive/ppa-python
[06:32] <gt> mm ok thanks d9500
[06:32] <d9500> no problem, gt
[06:55] <dylan_> woot :D
[06:58] <ForgeAus> omg, thats interesting, Dos had fonts? ... wow
[07:01] <maslick> hi all
[07:04] <rfoney>  hi
[07:07] <dylan_> is there anyway to install a new screen resolution on windows xp
[07:07] <dylan_> becuase it doesnt have mine
[07:07] <dylan_> o_o
[07:07] <d9500> dylan_, you talking about your vm right?
[07:07] <dylan_> yep
[07:07] <d9500> have you installed the guest additions?
[07:08] <dylan_> mine 1366x768
[07:08] <dylan_> win xp is lame as hell and doesnt have it
[07:08] <carpii> also you need to tell XP you have a big monitor, before itll let you pick big resolutions
[07:08] <d9500> dylan, i know it may sound like a dumb question, but have you installed the guest additions?
[07:09] <dylan_> i just got done installling the os on the virtual machine so not yet i was bout to do that though
[07:09] <dylan_> will that fix the prob?
[07:09]  * carpii sighs
[07:09] <d9500> ok.install guest additons, reboot your vm, then hit ctrl+f (assuming you use ctrl as the default "host" key in vbox.)
[07:10] <d9500> the screen should then maximize to the native resolution oof your physical monitor
[07:10] <d9500> although you may have to manually turn the screen resolution up to say, 1024x768 first, then hit ctrl=f. that may work better
[07:11] <dylan_> that's what i got it set to now becuase any bigger and the height of the screen is too big for my monitor
[07:13] <dylan_> the virtual machine runs just as fast in seamless mode as it does in window mode right?
[07:13] <d9500> right. i'm not sure how the guest additions work for xp, but in an ubuntu vm, i think it install a driver for your videocard and changes your xorg.conf to use the new driver. win xp has no xorg.conf, of course, but if it also install the vbox video driver for xp, then your vm may just need the driver installed to get full resolution screen size. kind of like when you first install a fresh load of xp on a physical machine, then have to go to nvidia's or
[07:13] <d9500>  ati's website and download the drivers.
[07:13] <d9500> and yes, in regards to seamless, i would think so. seamless causes problems with screen corruption when i try it, though
[07:14] <dylan_> i usually never did seamless mode becuase my monitor too much wider than it is tall to have 2 start menu's
[07:15] <d9500> dylan_, try moving the xp taskbar to the side of the screen, then going into seamless. it's worth a shot.
[07:15] <dylan_> good idea
[07:15] <d9500> but remember. you have to have guest additions installed for seamless to work
[07:16] <dylan_> it's download guest additions right now but i'm downloading atlantica online to and that's 1.8 gig download :/
[07:17] <dylan_> i just hope the vm will play the game at full speed
[07:17] <d9500> you shouldn't have to download guest additions. not if you're using the binary virtualbox package from sun's website. don't know about the open source additions
[07:18] <d9500> edition*
[07:18] <dylan_> well i got it from synaptic so i don't think it did
[07:19] <dylan_> windows is so ugly lol
[07:22] <d9500> dylan_, not that i think most here wouldn't agree, but if you need theme help, try #windows. or just google "patch uxtheme.dll"
[07:23] <vietred> hi all, I need some h
[07:23] <vietred> I need some help
[07:24] <vietred> I install Kubuntu 9.10 on HDD1, now I want to install Windows XP on HDD2, but Windows XP say that it want to write some data on HDD1, what should I do?
[07:26] <dylan_> you should have installed windows first :/
[07:27] <dylan_> your internet in kubuntu 9.10 runs good?
[07:27] <vietred> yes, I have no problem with Kubuntu
[07:28] <dylan_> i run 9.04 good but 9.10 is really buggy on my computer
[07:28] <dylan_> but yea it prolly would have been easier to just install windows first
[07:29] <vietred> I don't my edit my gr
[07:29] <vietred> grub
[07:29] <vietred> I don't mind edit my grub
[07:29] <d9500> vietred, i know a way which should fix it, but it involves temporarirly disconnected a hard drive to fool windows into thinking there is only one hard drive, the one that you want to install it to , actually inside the computer, and then reconnecting the other, booting into ubuntu and running grub-update.
[07:29] <d9500> there has got to be an easier way, so to all in channel, if any grub experts are out there, please feel free to chime in.
[07:30] <d9500> !fix grub
[07:30] <d9500> anyone know the factoid to request to get ubottu to give the "lost grub after installing windows" link?
[07:31] <vietred> d9500: that's the only way I can think :D
[07:31] <d9500> vietred: no, i know there's a better way. let me check ubottu's factoids and see if i can make it give the link
[07:31] <vietred> d9500: may be there is no way to fool XP without disconnect my HDD 1
[07:32] <d9500> no, but there's a way to reinstall or fix grub after letting xp overwrite the master boot record. i know there is, i just can't find the link
[07:33] <d9500> give me a minute and i'll try to locate it
[07:34] <d9500> !recovering grub | vietred
[07:34] <d9500> !recoveringgrub | vietred
[07:34] <r00t_ninja> !grub2
[07:35] <d9500> thanks r00t_ninja
[07:36] <vietred> thanks, I will tr
[07:36] <vietred> try
[07:36] <KiRiLoS> Hello,i was wondering.Is there a way to change every single blue color to red in KDE 4.3?Incuding the folder colors in Dolphin.Thanks
[08:10] <rfoney> what if there were only two of us and one gall?
[08:10] <rfoney> and the illuminatti reformed itself every night?
[08:10] <yang__> Hey, I have a simple question.
[08:11] <yang__> I can't shutdown from the CLL on a CLL only System
[08:11] <yang__> sudo shutdown now , the system comes up in maitence mode?
[08:11] <d9500> sudo poweroff, maybe?
[08:13] <d9500> yang__: if sudo poweroff does not work, then...hmm..does it say anything about a corrupt filsystem or that the system needs to run fsck on /dev/sdaX
[08:13] <yang__> hmm havent tried poweroff
[08:14] <yang__> just noticed it on *buntu systems before but always had GUI. so minor annoyance
[08:14] <yang__> but on CLL only sys , nt
[08:14] <yang__> booting up comp to test again
[08:16] <yang__> sudo somwhatworks..
[08:16] <yang__> dosn't APCI shutdown
[08:16] <yang__> says halted and stays on
[08:16] <r00t_ninja> sudo poweroff
[08:16] <yang__> hmmm maybe X86PC instead of APCI ?
[08:16] <r00t_ninja> did you try poweroff?
[08:17] <yang__> o lol srry sudo poweroff almost work nt sudo haha
[08:17] <yang__> yes
[08:17] <yang__> it worked somewhat..
[08:17] <yang__> as described above "says halted and stays on"
[08:17] <r00t_ninja> how old is this computer?
[08:17] <yang__> maybe not APCI compliant
[08:17] <yang__> p2 400 MHZ
[08:17] <r00t_ninja> thats why
[08:18] <r00t_ninja> its like that on my old celeron 400mhz
[08:18] <r00t_ninja> the motherboards are to old
[08:19] <yang__> IDK i bought for $10 USD
[08:19] <yang__> OLD gatway its a p2
[08:19] <yang__> potentially before 1999 so probably no APCI compliant meaning no soft off
[08:20] <yang__> 15 GB Drive and 192 MB Ram thats pretty good for a P2
[08:20] <r00t_ninja> yea
[08:22] <yang__> anyway ty
[08:22] <d9500> yang__, so it's like the old "it's now safe to turn off your computer" message back in the, ahem, glory days of windows 95? i guess wait till it halts then do a power off manually.
[08:22] <yang__> sudo poweroff will be good to rembember
[08:23] <d9500> also, you may want to try a different distro. http://kmandla.wordpress.com/ has lots of good info on linuxes for older systems.
[08:26] <FloodBotK2> !netsplit
[08:39] <goodboy> i install kubuntu in wubi ,now when i start ,   not syncing vfs unable to mount root fs on unknown-block ,who can help me??
[09:36] <d9500> kernel bug? wonder if 2.6.32-rc6 would fix it?
[09:36] <Peace--> yes you can try to install another kernel
[09:37] <d9500> though you'd have to rebuild your modules. no wait, just use dkms
[09:37] <d9500> that should rebuild your vbox modules automatically for the new kernel, Dylan, and hope .32 will work better on the networking
[09:40] <Peace--> d9500: dkms?
[09:40] <faileas> dynamic kernel module system
[09:41] <Peace--> o
[09:41] <faileas> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_Kernel_Module_Support
[09:41] <d9500> Peace--, originally developed by dell, i believe. automatically rebuilds modules after kernel upgrades. used by ubuntu and fedora.
[09:43] <dylan_> virtual box running good now :D
[09:43] <Peace--> mm  d9500 nice to learn another pretty cool stuff
[09:43] <d9500> dylan_, except for your choice of guest os. lol
[09:44] <dylan_> i need it for my ipod touch
[09:44] <dylan_> and for atlantica online
[09:44] <d9500> gtkpod or banshee didnt work?
[09:44] <dylan_> no not on the touch
[09:44] <d9500> oh yeah. forgot about atlantica
[09:44] <dylan_> wine runs games like crap
[09:44] <d9500> depends on the game.
[09:45] <dylan_> well every game i've tried ran terrible
[09:45] <Peace--> d9500: but qt stuff for ipod?
[09:45] <korvin> and i can't start RO in guest os :((
[09:45] <d9500> actually, i think it depends on how many people whine when a given game doesn't run perfectly..ahemm.WoW..ahem
[09:46] <d9500> Peace--, alas, i couldn't tell you specifically what programs to use. /me doesn't own an ipod
[09:46] <d9500> hmm, i thought the /me command was supposed to print my user name
[09:46] <Peace--> before
[09:47] <Peace-->  /me stuff
[09:47]  * Peace-- stuff
[09:47] <tsimpson> /me needs to be at the beginning of the line
[09:47] <tsimpson> it's a CTCP messages to the channel
[09:47] <dylan_> hey can anyone tell me if my wireless card supports injection
[09:47] <dylan_> ?
[09:48] <dylan_> i can put it in monitor mode but i don't think that the injection is working
[09:48] <Peace--> dylan_:  i will use another kernel ... if i was you
[09:49] <Peace--> dylan_: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[09:49] <dylan_> which one should i use
[09:50] <Peace--> dylan_: try the last
[09:50] <r00t_ninja> http://gr.archive.ubuntu.com/
[09:50] <Peace--> 32 rc6
[09:50] <r00t_ninja> http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=injection_test
[09:50] <Peace--> i have that
[09:50] <tsimpson> most wireless drivers aren
[09:50] <tsimpson> 't built into the kernel
[09:51] <Peace--> interl cards have not open source driver?
[09:52] <faileas> i think they are eventually FOSS
[09:53] <faileas> and in the kernel
[09:57] <dylan_> i was testing out the guest os w/ that pinball game that comes with windows and when i try to click onto the full screen mode for the game the guest os shrinks down from full screen into a small window?
[09:57] <d9500> intel cards use a foss driver, but the driver loads binary only firmware
[09:58] <dylan_> it doesnt zoom in like it is supposed to does anyone know why
[09:59] <d9500> one an xp computer i use, i've noticed that fu,llscreening the pinball game makes the game itself look grainier, so i'm guessing that it changes the resolution to a lower one, maybe? if it does that, then the low res change will show in vbox as a smaller screen.
[10:00] <dylan_> yea
[10:00] <dylan_> is it gonna do that no matter what?
[10:00] <dylan_> or is there a way to make it in full screen
[10:00] <dylan_> because i have a feeling that it is going to do that when i try to full screen atlantica online to
[10:01] <d9500> dylan: if the game itself will only show in say, 800x600 res, then the only way for the computer, physical or virtual, to make the game cover the whole computer screen is to reduce the res to the aforementioned 800x600. it depends on what the game itself supports.
[10:02] <dylan_> oh so i'll just lower the res in kubuntu to the same res the game is in
[10:03] <d9500> on your host kubuntu machine? sure, that could work. might make your screen look grainy, but it should do the trick
[10:03] <dylan_> i would put the game in the same res as my computer screen but my video card isnt that good
[10:03] <dylan_> :/
[10:04] <dylan_> it'll prolly get laggy
[10:06] <d9500> in the case of pinball, it may not be the video card. say the game itself only runs as 800x600. when you're on, say, a 1300x760 screen, the lower res on the game can show as a smaller window. but if the game's coding itself does not allow it to go over 800x600, for whatever reason (ask the people who coded it, IANAP), then regardless of your video card, when you fullscreen it, if the only way to show fullscreen game is to reduce screen to lower res, th
[10:06] <d9500> en the res will reduce.
[10:06] <d9500> your could be running two gtx 295s in sli and the game wouldnt care
[10:06] <d9500> (please bear in mind this is all theory based on my observations. i could be wrong of course.)
[10:11] <d9500> there's also pinball program/s you can download for your host kubuntu machine, via software center.
[10:21] <abhinav> how can i connect to social chat rooms
[10:44] <dylan_> i can't get any sound of out my guest os in virtualbox?
[10:45] <ayoze> algun español?
[10:45] <tsimpson> !es
[10:48] <lukas__> Hello, how long time does it usually take to upgrade to karmic? I try to upgrade, and it seems to download all the packages one hour approximately. Is that okay?
[10:48] <dylan_> what is your download speed?
[10:49] <tsimpson> it took me about 10 hours to download everything, but that was on release day so it was slower than usual
[10:49] <lukas__> dylan_: I hve 8MBit connection, but the download speed from local mirror shows from 14 to 40 Kbit/s
[10:49] <dylan_> damn it only took me like half an hour o.O
[10:49] <dylan_> o i c so u got superfast internet lol
[10:50] <dylan_> i just downloaded mine from a torrent it was a lot faster but i was doing a clean install
[10:50] <dylan_> to
[10:50] <lukas__> dylan_: well, here operators are fighting for new users, so it is quite affordable
[10:50] <lukas__> that is not my case
[10:51] <dylan_> do u have an intel wireless card
[10:51] <dylan_> ?
[11:00] <hyb_> hi
[11:03] <Hatl> hi! i updated my kubuntu to 9.10. now it takes over two minutes until the startup is finished. i created a bootchart: http://h.imagehost.org/view/0687/gerhard-nb-karmic-20091108-1
[11:03] <Hatl> can anybody tell me whats wrong?
[11:12] <Bios_> I recieve the message that there is a package manager running ... so i cant install anything but i can see anyone running even in "top"
[11:14] <Bios_> brb reboot : P
[11:18] <Bios_> re
[11:19] <yofel> Hatl: bug 442132 maybe?
[11:19] <yofel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/442132
[11:21] <yofel> Bios_: fixed?
[11:21] <Bios_> nope
[11:21] <yofel> !aptlock
[11:23] <corium> hello
[11:24] <corium> my external hd works fine on mint but not on karmic, it sucks
[11:27] <Hatl> yofel: no, not the same bug. the problem in my case is that it takes a very long time until the desktop is usable. i think its a problem with kded4
[11:28] <yofel> hm, let me check the bootchart again...
[11:30] <Hatl> i can see the desktop after about 80 seconds but it takes another minute until it is usable
[11:30] <Hatl> jaunty was much faster
[11:30] <Peace-> looks like you video cards sucks
[11:30] <Peace-> or the driver
[11:31] <Hatl> why?
[11:31] <yofel> hm, why is there a cc1 and depmod run in there? dkms build?
[11:31] <Bios_> fixed yofel
[11:32] <yofel> Bios_: :)
[11:32] <Hatl> i made a standard install of jaunty and updated it recently to karmic
[11:32] <Bios_> Another problem this time with latex/kile: I am lacking a packaged called tocstyle... is there anything like miktex which installs missing packages?
[11:33] <Hatl> hmmm, strange, make is running every boot
[11:33] <Idhan> Bios_: install sudo apt-get install texlive-full
[11:33] <Idhan> that should do it..
[11:34] <Bios_> its already installed... i guess there is some dbproblem or so Idhan
[11:34] <yofel> Hatl: depmod is a realy hdd I/O hogger, so it'll be always slow if it has to run on boot
[11:34] <yofel> s/realy/real/
[11:35] <yadudoc> Hi , I removed amarok nightly and installed amarok from the ubuntu repos... but now I'm getting these errors.. http://codepad.org/4U0v0i8A . Could someone please help me with this ?
[11:35] <Idhan> Bios_: try texhash
[11:37] <Idhan> Bios_: sudo texthash
[11:38] <Bios_> yeah recognized the writing permissions : D
[11:38] <Bios_> lets try...
[11:38] <yofel> yadudoc: tried 'sudo dpkg -r libqtscriptbindings1' ?
[11:38] <Bios_> still same problem Idhan
[11:39] <Idhan> perphaps you should try a sudo aptitude reinstall texlive-full
[11:43] <Bios_> Idhan: tried also i did a texhash after this.. no sucess
[11:44] <Idhan> Bios_: are you using k9.10?
[11:44] <Bios_> yeah
[11:44] <Idhan> Bios_: are you sure that right package is right write it?
[11:45] <Idhan> Bios_: i am using latex, kile with many funcy packages without problem
[11:45] <Bios_> well i tryed to compile with latex manually but same error
[11:45] <Bios_> uhm what do you mean with right package is right write? : P
[11:46] <Bios_> and its only this package
[11:46] <Bios_> without tocstyle.sty everything is working
[11:46] <Idhan> I can try to compile you head if you want..
[11:47] <Idhan> the head of you latex file
[11:48] <KingOfDos> can someone confirm this bug -> change the double click speed in the system prefs
[11:48] <hrna> hi, a question... after i updated my jaunty to karmic i've lost my automated updates, i have to run software updateter by hand and it's not checking any updates for me before i do it by myself
[11:48] <hrna> is it common that it kinda switches off ?
[11:48] <KingOfDos> tested it with 2 kubuntu workstations, on both i can't set the doubleclick speed using the gui
[11:49] <Bios_> Idhan:  http://pastebin.com/d715fd34a
[11:49] <Idhan> KingOfDos: work without problem for me
[11:49] <yadudoc> ping
[11:50] <yadudoc> yofel, let me try that
[11:50] <KingOfDos> Idhan: strange. you'd enabled compiz?
[11:51] <yadudoc> yofel, hmm.... What do I do next ? Does dpkg -r fix the package ? (it removes it right ?)
[11:52] <Quintasan> yadudoc: ping
[11:52] <yofel> yadudoc: yes it removes it, after that try apt-get again
[11:52] <Quintasan> yadudoc: did you remove libqtscriptbindings1 0:0.1.0-0ubuntu1~jaunty1neon1 ?
[11:52] <yofel> Quintasan: that's what i told him to do
[11:52] <Idhan> KingOfDos: yes..
[11:52] <Quintasan> yadudoc: ah, ok
[11:53] <Idhan> Bios_: I have the same problem.. are you sure is a standart latex pacakge and not a special style package of you university or any conference?
[11:53] <Quintasan> yofel: oh, both nicks on begin on "y" :P
[11:54] <Bios_> uhm i thought so... maybe it is ... I used it only for some dots inside the table of contents ... well its not that important
[11:54] <Bios_> but there is no program for installing packages while they are needed (like miktex got )
[11:55] <Idhan> Bios_: under linux I haven't that feature... but texlive-full install all the packages out there..(standart)
[12:01] <yadudoc> Quintasan, yofel it did not work ... i get the same errors
[12:02] <KingOfDos> Idhan: hm, it looks that someone has the same problem with thunderbird. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=657371
[12:02] <KingOfDos> i'm now trying to search it in that direction :)
[12:04] <Quintasan> yadudoc: sudo apt-get -f install && sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a
[12:06] <yadudoc> Quintasan, I get this error now --> ldconfig deferred processing now taking place This is not dpkg install-info anymore, but GNU install-info
[12:07] <Quintasan> yadudoc: sudo dpkg -L | grep neon
[12:07] <Quintasan> yadudoc: paste it to pastebin
[12:08] <yadudoc> Quintasan, when i do dpkg -L  I am getting this -- > dpkg-query: --listfiles needs at least one package name argument
[12:08] <Bios_> Idhan: thats wiered it should be included inside the koma script which is included inside the texlive-full :/
[12:09] <Quintasan> yadudoc: sudo dpkg -l kde"*" | grep neon
[12:10] <yadudoc> Quintasan, no output
[12:10] <Quintasan> yadudoc: sudo dpkg -l kde* | grep neon
[12:10] <Quintasan> yadudoc: it's just me using ZSH :P
[12:11] <yadudoc> Quintasan, :P still no output ... now this is getting really weird
[12:11] <Quintasan> grr
[12:11] <yadudoc> Quintasan, i told na... I removed the amarok nightly.. there must have been some screwup there... just after that i install amarok
[12:12] <Quintasan> yadudoc: sudo aptitude
[12:12] <Quintasan> press "/"
[12:12] <Quintasan> type amarok
[12:12] <Quintasan> press "-" for each amarok related package and then press "g" two time
[12:13] <Quintasan> yadudoc: or just do it via KPackageKit
[12:13] <yadudoc> Quintasan, does this need additional download ?
[12:14] <Quintasan> yadudoc: deleting? nope :P
[12:14] <yadudoc> Quintasan, hey... now it says to install some packages ... gdesklets and some other packages
[12:15] <Quintasan> yadudoc: what? I belive I told you to search for amarok packages and remove them
[12:15] <fox1111> hi, I activated desktop effects from system settings, but compositing doesn't start by itself at startup, can anyone help?
[12:16] <yadudoc> Quintasan, ah... *crap :(  now its installing some other packages for resolving dependencies...
[12:17] <danielix> hi to all!
[12:17] <fox1111> I have to start compositing by pressing alt + shift + f12 at startup
[12:17] <fox1111> don't know why this happens
[12:17] <yadudoc> Quintasan, I think i'm better off without amarok... i'll just sudo apt-get remove amarok* ?
[12:18] <Quintasan> yadudoc: possible, it could work
[12:18] <yadudoc> Quintasan, i can live with just rhythmbox
[12:18] <fox1111>  hi, I activated desktop effects from system settings, but compositing doesn't start by itself at startup, can anyone help?
[12:18] <yadudoc> :|
[12:19] <danielix> Please, I can not send or recive files with kopete neither with pidgin. Do Kubuntu Karimic have some kind of firewall enabled by default?
[12:19] <yadudoc> Quintasan, ... I'm doomed... its still there ... I'm leaving.. Thank you very much for your help...
[12:21] <danielix> please help
[12:21] <yadudoc> Quintasan, yay.... fixed it
[12:22] <yadudoc> Quintasan, i removed the alternate disc from the sources list ... :)
[12:22]  * yadudoc hi 5'ves Quintasan 
[12:24] <danielix> Please, I can not send or recive files with kopete neither with pidgin. Do Kubuntu Karimic have some kind of firewall enabled by default? Please Help!
[12:25] <chimp-champ> Hi, how can I use emerald Themes in KDE?
[12:28] <|moe|> where do i find msttcorefonts for kubuntu karmic?
[12:29] <|moe|> i do not find it via packagekit though the repos are all activated
[12:30] <Peace-> msttcorefonts?
[12:30] <faileas> should be in kubuntu-restricted-extras
[12:31] <|moe|> Peace-: the windows-fonts
[12:31] <Peace-> like said to faileas should be on kubuntu-restricted-extras
[12:31] <Peace-> *from
[12:32] <fox1111>  hi, I activated desktop effects from system settings, but compositing doesn't start by itself at startup, can anyone help?
[12:32] <fox1111> anyone knows something?
[12:33] <|moe|> Peace-: great, that worked!
[12:33] <|moe|> Peace-: thank you
[12:50] <danielix> the answer is: sudo /etc/init.d/apparmor stop
[12:50] <danielix> :)
[12:50] <danielix> great
[12:50] <danielix> bye
[12:50] <FloodBotK3> danielix: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[12:57] <Omar87> Hi
[12:57] <uwe> moin
[12:58] <Omar87> There's this question that I've been asking myself since the day I switched to Kubuntu:
[12:58] <Omar87> Where on Earth are the "Shutdown" and "Restart" options?
[12:59] <chimp-champ> How can I import emerald themes?
[13:00] <yofel> Omar87: press on the kmenu button -> Leave ;)
[13:02] <Omar87> yofel: I do that all the time. But only find "Logout, Lockscreen, Switch User, Sleep, and Hibernate"
[13:02] <Omar87> yofel: Not Shutdown, no Restart.
[13:02] <Omar87> No*
[13:03] <yofel> Omar87: what version of kubuntu do you use?
[13:03] <Omar87> yofel: 9.10 ( 4.3.1 )
[13:04] <Schugy> have once again tried apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and still no working icewm-package
[13:04] <yofel> that would be 4.3.2, but I have shutdown and restart here - no hibernate and sleep though, they're in the power management applet
[13:05] <Omar87> Ok, that's weird.
[13:07] <yofel> Omar87: do you get 'shutdown the computer' when you search for 'shutdown' in krunner? (alt+f2 iirc)
[13:07] <Schugy> I really wonder why people add broken universe packages
[13:08] <yofel> Schugy: which one?
[13:08] <Schugy> icewm
[13:08] <yofel> oh yeah, that one's broken ^^
[13:08] <Schugy> but it's stil my favourite
[13:08] <Schugy> i use fluxbox right now
[13:09] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[13:09] <Schugy> but I miss ots of wm functions in kdedesktop or fluxbux
[13:09] <Schugy> ots=lots
[13:11] <Mitch0815> hallo und guten tag
[13:11] <yofel> !de | Mitch0815
[13:12] <Mitch0815> sorry
[13:12] <yofel> Mitch0815: macht nix ;)
[13:12] <Schugy> especially i need my alt+f3 to put windows into the background
[13:12] <yofel> Schugy: check here if you have one of the reported bugs: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/icewm
[13:12] <Mitch0815> zitat http://www.kubuntu.org/support/deutsch : "IRC Chat      * Der deutschsprachige Support Kanal ist #kubuntu-de auf Freenode."
[13:12] <Mitch0815> oh
[13:13] <yofel> Mitch0815: eben :P
[13:13] <Mitch0815> da war ich wohl bind
[13:13] <Mitch0815> blind
[13:13] <Mitch0815> hello everybody
[13:14] <Schugy> have submitted bug 458100 on my own yofel
[13:15] <Mitch0815> i tried to boot from the kubuntu live dvd (and even the cd), but i just get a black screen
[13:15] <Mitch0815> before i get the black screen there is an failure screen
[13:15] <Mitch0815> http://www.cscholz.net/privat/kubuntu.jpg
[13:15] <Mitch0815> i found nothing therefor with google
[13:16] <Mitch0815> does someone has any clue?
[13:17] <Schugy> maybe some vga=xxx code helps
[13:20] <Mitch0815> which code may be working? (i'm using a nvidia graphic adapter with a 26" tft [1920x1200px])
[13:21] <Schugy> wonder where the vga code table was ^^
[13:21] <Schugy> 791 was one
[13:21] <Schugy> adn turn off spash
[13:21] <Schugy> l
[13:21] <Schugy> splash
[13:22] <Mitch0815> thank you. i'll be trying this
[13:34] <Guest12597> hi kubuntu users, does anybody if kubuntu 9.10 is television "ready"? I have a USB WinTV Nova-T DVB-T, which seems to be supported and is supposed to run out-of-the-box under Ubuntu 9.10. I dont know how to start it under Kubuntu
[13:34] <llutz> Guest12597: try kaffeine
[13:35] <Guest12597> I am currently building v4l-dvb etc, but wonder whether all this is required if the card already works on ubuntu (I am using Kubuntu)
[13:35] <llutz> Guest12597: kaffeine has dvb-support, so no v4l needed
[13:36] <Guest12597> kaffeine doesnt build on top of v4l?
[13:36] <llutz> afaik no
[13:36] <Guest12597> btw: i have already tried kaffeine, but it doesnt recognize my usb-stick
[13:37] <Matisse> hi
[13:37] <Matisse> since upgrade to karmic, xchat doesnt beep anymore...
[13:37] <Guest12597> how can i check whether the system can connect a usb-device?
[13:37] <llutz> Guest12597: "ls -l /dev/dvb/adapter0"   to see if dvb is loaded
[13:39] <Guest12597> /dev/dvb/adapter0 extists and has 4 entries:demux0  dvr0  frontend0  net0
[13:40] <llutz> Guest12597: means dvd-driver is loaded and usually kaffeine should be able to use it
[13:40] <llutz> Guest12597: try "kaffeine -w"
[13:41] <Guest12597> kaffeine: Unbekannte Option „w“.
[13:41] <llutz> Guest12597: oh, new (sucking) kaffeine... try kaffeine --wizzard
[13:43] <Guest12597> just a second, in the meantime kaffeine detected a card...
[13:46] <Guest12597> ok, kaffeine has detected channels, but is not playing channels: Message: "No suitable device found" (Kein passendes Gerät gefunden)
[14:00] <spike_ge> hello
[14:03] <spike_ge> ^_^
[14:03] <BluesKaj> hi
[14:03] <spike_ge> is it a support channel?
[14:04] <yofel> !hi
[14:05] <Gustav_> Hi guys!
[14:05] <spike_ge> hello
[14:05] <spike_ge> i've got a question. Upgraded to 9.10, at restart kdm does not work anylonger
[14:05] <Gustav_> Can anyone help me out? I just wanted to try kubuntu a little bit and worked fine so far, installed it and its up and running.
[14:06] <yofel> !anyone | Gustav_
[14:06] <Gustav_> But I'm too dump to even mount my second hard disk drive, or I can't find it anywhere around. It is brand new and was plugged in during all the installation.
[14:06] <yofel> Gustav_: internal or usb?
[14:07] <Gustav_> internal
[14:07] <Gustav_> He found it during installation.
[14:07] <Gustav_> And I can still see it with fdisk -l
[14:07] <|moe|> did you install with LVM?
[14:07] <yofel> Gustav_: does 'sudo fdisk -l' in a konsole find it?
[14:08] <Gustav_> It is /dev/sda, I made a primary partition to sda1, also worked fine.
[14:09] <Gustav_> In the web I just found, that ubuntu finds the hdd itselfs and mounts it, but where?
[14:09] <yofel> Gustav_: /dev/sda should be your first drive and /dev/sdb your second (if they're both sata)
[14:09] <Gustav_> They are
[14:09] <Gustav_> I installed kubuntu on sdb
[14:09] <yofel> ok
[14:10] <Gustav_> It made some partitions sdb1, sdb2 and sdb5, all fine for me, do whatever it likes.
[14:10] <Gustav_> In /media I have cdrom and floppy0 (even so I don't have a floppy connected, but that doesn't matter)
[14:11] <yofel> Gustav_: those are always there
[14:11] <yofel> Gustav_: does dolphin show your drive in the sidebar?
[14:11] <Gustav_> And I found something in the web to change fstab, I did as recommended, but it didn't change anything (also did mount -a afterwards, sudo of course)
[14:11] <Gustav_> No
[14:13] <yofel> hm, if you have an entry in fstab it should work, did you use the correct fs type?
[14:13] <Gustav_> The hdd was brand new, I created the partition with fdisk (which I knew from Win), perhaps it doesn't like the fdisk stuff? Could it be, that I made a mistake there?
[14:13] <Gustav_> Just created a primary partition with all sectors in it.
[14:13] <yofel> Gustav_: err... you DID format the partition after creating it?
[14:13] <Gustav_> I used, ext4, the sdb1 used the same
[14:14] <Gustav_> Not explicit, I closed fdisk with "w" which sad, that it writes the information and closes itself.
[14:14] <yofel> Gustav_: you created the partition with fdisk and then run mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdb1 right?
[14:14] <yofel> Gustav_: you can't mount a partition that has no file system on it
[14:15] <Gustav_> Ok, I think I didn't do the second point.
[14:15] <Gustav_> I didn't create that filesystem, how do I do that?
[14:15] <Gustav_> Sorry, for all the dumbness down here, is my first time with kubuntu.
[14:15] <yofel> Gustav_: sudo mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdb1 should be fine - why didn't you use partitionmanager?
[14:16] <Gustav_> I didn't knew partitionmanager until a few minutes ago, but then it didn't start.
[14:17] <yofel> Gustav_: wait, you said it's sda1
[14:17] <Gustav_> right now (when you said "use it") it DID start, and now I'm formatting my sda1 with ext4 (which is in progress right now).
[14:17] <yofel> well, gotta run, please ask somebody else for help if you need it
[14:17] <Gustav_> I think this did it... it's running now.
[14:17] <Gustav_> I will notify you, if it worked.
[14:17] <Gustav_> Thanks very much for the help!! :)
[14:17] <Gustav_> You're great!
[14:19] <janjiss> Hey guys! Is there something like softwere cener under KDE?
[14:20] <spike_ge> exit
[14:20] <spike_ge> \quit
[14:33] <Gustav_> It worked! Thanks!
[14:40] <ref_0> Hello. I have a problem with kubuntu 9.10 (upgraded from 9.04) and I want to report it as a bug in launchpad but I don't know how do that, I do not know which files and info attach.
[14:40] <ref_0> The problem is that when I copy files (up to 50MB and tested from konsole or dolphin), the system becomes slow and unusable until the task is complete.
[14:41] <theball> ls
[14:41] <theball> mt
[14:41] <Kubuntiac> @ref_0 what happens when you go to the console and do ubuntu-bug dolphin ?
[14:43] <Kubuntiac> (ubuntu-bug is how you collect the basic needed system info for a bug report, along with a description)
[14:44] <ref_0> But it also occurs copying files from konsole
[14:44] <Kubuntiac> ewww - that's something deeper then
[14:44] <Kubuntiac> Hmm... *thinks*
[14:45] <ref_0> I think it's a problem with the kernel. With 2.6.28 the problem does not occur in karmic. Only with 2.6.31
[14:45] <Kubuntiac> Not sure. Maybe this should be filed on the kernel
[14:46] <Kubuntiac> Can you try booting with a different version of the kernel in Karmic?
[14:47] <Kubuntiac> If you've had any kernel updates you could go back and try the older ones (if you've removed them you can use a live cd)
[14:48] <Kubuntiac> Otherwise you can report a bug on it with ubuntu-bug linux
[14:49] <mrnice> hi all
[14:49] <mrnice> I have upgrade to kubuntu 9.10
[14:50] <Kubuntiac> mmice - congrats! :)
[15:07] <XiXaQ> I tested Kubuntu 9.04. I'm using GNOME and have been since it became possible to use the menus without editing .desktop files manually. Can someone please convince me to download kubuntu 9.10 and try it out? :)
[15:08] <Tm_T> XiXaQ: why not to have both KDE and GNOME installed?
[15:09] <JontheEchidna> right click on KMenu -> Menu editor
[15:09] <XiXaQ> because I don't really like kde at all. :)
[15:09] <XiXaQ> but I dislike disliking it too, so I really would like to be sold into giving it a real chance.
[15:09] <Tm_T> XiXaQ: won't harm to try it, though, it's getting even better all the time
[15:10] <Tm_T> current version is much better than what was with 9.04
[15:10] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: want to say great work on karmic :) looking forward to lucid :) and the project time lord revamp of kubuntu
[15:10] <XiXaQ> can you mention some of the things that have happened since jaunty?
[15:10] <eagles0513875> XiXaQ: ext4 grub 2 are 2 of the many things
[15:10] <Tm_T> eagles0513875: has not much to do with KDE though (:
[15:11] <eagles0513875> Tm_T: project time lord?
[15:11] <Tm_T> eagles0513875: has not much to do with Karmic
[15:12] <eagles0513875> Tm_T: i meant project time lord revamp in regards to lucid
[15:13] <Tm_T> eagles0513875: yeah, but I believe XiXaQ asked what have changed from Jaunty to Karmic
[15:13] <XiXaQ> I read about project time lord on kubuntu.com, but that didn't tell me much,.
[15:13] <eagles0513875> those are 2 things though from jaunty to karmic grub 2 and ext4 though Tm_T
[15:13] <Tm_T> eagles0513875: but those have nothing to do with KDE (:
[15:14] <Tm_T> eagles0513875: and that was part of his question, I believe
[15:14] <XiXaQ> but you're right. I have a fairly slow connection here, so I won't easily go into downloading kubuntu 9.10. I didn't like it much in jaunty.
[15:15] <Tm_T> XiXaQ: http://kde.org/announcements/4.3/index.php && http://kde.org/announcements/announce-4.3.3.php
[15:15] <Tm_T> XiXaQ: those are for starters, and should explain what has been improved better than I can
[15:15] <XiXaQ> ah, thanks :)
[15:16] <XiXaQ> what version of kde4 is used in karmic?
[15:16] <Tm_T> XiXaQ: 4.3.2 in livecd and there's 4.3.3 upgrade available online
[15:16] <Tm_T> gone ->
[15:17] <XiXaQ> great. Thanks :)
[15:17] <ghostcube> kernel update fixes webcam driver problems here
[15:20] <Rodensky> Hello ppl. Ubuntu 9.04 - How do I make the text under the icons in my folders' toolbars to go away? How do I make the icons smaller? I trued a few times in #ubuntu, no luck so far...
[15:20] <Rodensky> *tried
[15:25] <george_> привет
[15:26] <BluesKaj> !ru | george_
[15:34] <sebsebseb> hi
[15:34] <luka> lol
[15:38] <sebsebseb> !lol > luka
[15:39] <ajd2k9> hey i need some help i been through the volume properties and cant see anywhere how to get my hdmi working im using it as the default device so reli it should be simple anyone got any ideas?
[15:41] <shadeslayer> ajd2k9: its the default device in the sound properties right?
[15:41] <ajd2k9> yeah its set to hdmi output ..
[15:42] <shadeslayer> ajd2k9: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/HDMI
[15:43] <ajd2k9> cheers :)
[15:43] <chiqui> I want to modify how the cpu schedule process
[15:45] <shadeslayer> ajd2k9: googling also turned up some results,have a look at them too :)
[15:51] <siba> hello, I just upgraded to kubuntu 9.10 and I have a big problem with gtk+ integration
[15:52] <siba> it doesn't safe the setting I set
[15:52] <siba> and I can't find anywhere on interent what file manually modify
[15:53] <siba> anybody can help me or suggest me some internet pages to check at?
[16:04] <Ash-Fox> sibe, it would be stuff in ~/.gtk2 probably
[16:05] <siba> ok, thanks. do you think that deleting the directory and rebooting kde will help me?
[16:05] <Ash-Fox> I think there is a good chance it would help.
[16:06] <siba> thank you very much
[16:06] <Ash-Fox> No probs
[16:07] <siba> I just checked and I don't have any .gtk2 directory in my home
[16:08] <Guest12597> llutz: my /dev/dvb directory has disappeared. how can that happen? I have not deleted it...
[16:12] <siba> Ash-Fox: I'm searching in my filesystem but it seems I don't have any .gtk or .gtk2 directory
[16:14] <Guest12597> ok, my /dev/dvb dir is back again. dont know why. is it possible that the system removes the entries if the physical connection is unstable, ie. because a touched the usb device?
[16:26] <happyhessian> i have to do a reinstall and i'm wondering if there's a way to create a new partition to install onto, transfer my files from the old partition to the new partition, then format the old partition and attach it to make one full sized partition.  anyone know if this is possible?
[16:29] <adaptr> I doubt the wisdom of using only one partition
[16:29] <adaptr> at the very minimum, put your /home on its own partition
[16:30] <llutz> Guest21233: have a look into "dmesg", maybe it gives some hints why the driver is un-/reloaded (i.e. usb disconnect  ...)
[16:30] <happyhessian> really, that's considered good policy?
[16:30] <siba> is there any channel I can ask for help about gtk+ settings in kde?
[16:31] <happyhessian> i guess it does make reinstalling a lot easier when those unfortunate days come around
[16:32] <adaptr> happyhessian: that has been "good policy" for many years before ubuntu became a glint in Shuttleworths eyepatch
[16:33] <happyhessian> adaptr: yea i guess so.  what's considered the minimum reasonable sized partition for kubuntu 9.10?
[16:34] <adaptr> happyhessian: for a root partition ? I wouldn't go with anything less than 16 or so
[16:34] <adaptr> although you can install it safely on 8GB
[16:35] <sorush20> my sound system doesn't work across all applications.
[16:36] <sorush20> Ii started pidgin and the sound for connecting to irc network worked.. but youtube on firefox doesn't work, skype isn't detecting my sound devices..
[16:36] <sorush20> csan I get any help
[16:39] <happyhessian> adaptr: right, so i guess i should make a clean install on 16+G, then format my current partition and turn it into home.  for the short term i'll need more than that--i have a good 50GB of home that i want to salvage from my current partition so i'll have to make space for it, at least temporarily.  is there a simple way to repartition for home?
[16:41] <adaptr> if you have the space in your current partition, sure - boot up with a livecd, and shrink the FS, then shrink the partition, then make a new partition in the empty space, copy your files over to it, unmount, and shrink the old partition further
[16:41] <adaptr> simple, no
[16:42] <happyhessian> adaptr:"shrinking the partition"--how do i do that? with gparted or the like?
[16:43] <adaptr> yes
[16:43] <adaptr> resize2fs for the FS, then parted for the partition
[16:43] <adaptr> you're much, much better off with using a second disk for this
[16:43] <happyhessian> and once a partition is made there isn't really any reason why i can't grow it or shrink it according to my whims (other than the obvious size constraints)
[16:44] <Delvien> Is there an easy way to install a KDE 4 theme? I see nothing in the UI to do this
[16:44] <happyhessian> i have one but it's full, that's the thing--in the past i would just copy home to my second disk, format entirely and then copy it back
[16:44] <happyhessian> if i'm willing to let go of some large files i could do it again now
[16:45] <saurabh> i have a problem while installing ns2 on kubuntu 9.10
[16:45] <saurabh> help!!!
[16:45] <happyhessian> but if there was a way to dynamically allocate unallocate and reallocate partitions that wouldn't involve too much risk i'd much prefer it.
[16:45] <adaptr> happyhessian: that's what LVM is for
[16:45] <adaptr> if you're willing to go that route, you can indeed do as you say
[16:46] <saurabh> plz  help
[16:46] <saurabh> i have a problem while installing ns2 on kubuntu 9.10
[16:46] <adaptr> saurabh: provide useful info, or stop hammering
[16:46] <happyhessian> mmk, the functionality of resize2fs is included in lvm or needs to be done separately?
[16:47] <saurabh> adaptr: error: tk8.4.18 make failed
[16:47] <adaptr> happyhessian: that will always be separate
[16:49] <saurabh> adaptr: error: tk8.4.18 make failed
[16:49] <adaptr> happyhessian: with LVM, the separate partitions would not matter - just chain them together into one LV after you're done copying
[16:49] <adaptr> no need to resize
[16:50] <saurabh> error: tk8.4.18 make failed in installing ns2
[16:52] <rjlynn> hey guys, any alsa geniuses here? I can't for the life of me get the S/PDIF out on my laptop to work (HP dv9720us). OSS4 WILL let it work, but I couldn't find a nice device switcher for it. I need to be able to use S/PDIF when docked, but the laptops speakers when not (it doesnt need to be automatic)
[16:55] <happyhessian> adaptr: so before i log off and start to get my hands dirty...i should boot live, run resize2fs on my old partition, then make a new partition to install to, install, and then work with lvm as you mentioned
[16:55] <adaptr> no
[16:56] <happyhessian> adaptr: glad i checked then...
[16:57] <adaptr> boot a livecd, run resize2fs to make some space at the end of the drive, make an LVM partition there, one VG, one LV, mount, copy your data there, unmount all partitions, remove the old partition, make new system partition that's exactly the right size, install OS, make second LVM partition in th espace between the two new partitions, add it to the existing LV, and presto - all space used as you wanted
[17:00] <happyhessian> adaptr: can't thank you enough, seems like this is exactly the right way to do what i wanted to do
[17:00] <adaptr> np
[17:01] <happyhessian> and now the fun begins...
[17:07] <vic61> hallo for all
[17:07] <tore> Sera--- qualche italiano in linea?^?^
[17:13] <VP> fast start up
[17:13] <VP> compare to openoffice
[17:14] <slow-motion> hi
[17:14] <VP> hi
[17:18] <hackndoes_> can anyone help me setup my gtkpod to play music from my ipod?
[17:20] <TZander> anyone here know why I'm getting bugreports for kubuntu where users use the alpa release of Qt?  How did people get those packages?
[17:22] <TZander> bugreport says; KDE Version: 4.3.3 (KDE 4.3.3) Qt Version: 4.6.0-tp1    Distribution: Ubuntu 9.10
[17:25] <bbigras> TZander: Is it possible that people who use kde from svn report those bugs?
[17:29] <TZander> bbigras: unlikely, why would someone use a 1 month old distro with a 3 month old Qt
[17:29] <TZander> if they self compile, that is.
[17:30] <bbigras> TZander: you're right
[17:30] <bbigras> it's weird
[17:31] <Tm_T> TZander: erm, I'm running Intrepid with Qt from git and KDE from svn (:
[17:32] <Tm_T> TZander: and I'm sure there's that Qt in some ppa
[17:33] <dylan_> hey i'm not getting any sound from my virtual box do i need to install drivers onto the guest system?
[17:33] <TZander> someone using 910 any idea how to get Qt46-tp ?  I got several bugreports in kde software in the last week which are all due to this version of Qt.
[17:35] <Tm_T> TZander: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental/
[17:41] <dylan_> how do u increase the size of a virtual hard drive??????
[17:41] <dylan_> i can't install something cus i dont have enough space
[17:55] <sebsebseb> dylan_: which  vm software?
[17:56] <dylan_> virtualbox ose
[17:56] <dylan_> i'm trying to install a 1.9 gig file
[17:56] <dylan_> and i only have 1.8 gigs left
[17:56] <sebsebseb> dylan_: and you did fixed storage for the vm, rather than the default dynamically expanding?
[17:56] <dylan_> no i did the dynamically expanding
[17:56] <sebsebseb> dylan_: and put what for the size of the vm?
[17:57] <Idhan> where is save the log when kubuntu start???
[17:57] <dylan_> my drive for the vm was the default ten gigs
[17:57] <sebsebseb> dylan_: by the way when doing  dynamically expanding you can  basically put whatever size is available,  and  you don't need that amount of space in the psyical partition the vm is in.   It will be the size the  vm thinks it has, then if pysical  hard disk space is running out, it will tel you.
[17:58] <dylan_> well i'm running an installer for a program and it won't let me proceed through the install becuase  it say it need 1.9 gigs of space and only has 1.8
[18:03] <sebsebseb> dylan_: ok uhmm I am not sure what your diong exactly and also #vbox is the offical channel for  Virtualbox
[18:10] <varanus> anyone got an MX1000 laser mouse on kubuntu?
[18:12] <jussio1> !anyone varanus
[18:12] <jussio1> !anyone | varanus
[18:12] <jussio1> varanus: I do...
[18:13] <varanus> soddy guys for anyone, but as it been more than a month asking with my problem i haven't found a solution yet. anyway. jussio1 i'd like to ask if your back/forward buttons work with konquer/dolphin
[18:13] <varanus> soddy=soddy
[18:14] <varanus> doh sorry
[18:15] <jussio1> varanus: I havent got it fully configured atm, but yes, they used to.
[18:15] <jussio1> varanus: are you using btnx?
[18:16] <varanus> jussio1: i have tried it and it messed up a bit with clicking. to explain bettrer i couldn't click in the popup menus using it
[18:16] <varanus> jussio1: and i didn't managed to configure the buttons either
[18:16] <varanus> manage*
[18:17] <jussio1> varanus: btnx is how I got it going. I agree there needs to be something easier, but keep trying....
[18:18] <varanus> jussio1: could you let me have a look at you xorg.conf to see maybe how yours' is?
[18:19] <allenc> <hopes this is working>
[18:19] <jussio1> varanus: as I said, I dont have it configured atm, just using it as a basic mouse. So you wont get anything out of my xorg...
[18:19] <happyhessian> adaptr: you still around?
[18:19] <adaptr> barely
[18:20] <varanus> jussio1: ok ty very much for letting me know that is possible to have it configured
[18:20] <ibou> salut
[18:20] <ibou> hi
[18:20] <allenc> soo, someone directed me here for advice on getting my laptop off the ground
[18:21] <happyhessian> i never played with lvms before so i'm trying to get the whole thing sorted out.  i'm on the livecd  resizing my fs as we speak.  once it resizes, i need to use fdisk to make a new partition for it to live on?
[18:21] <ibou> i can't write on dvd with k3b. I have this message: mkisofs crashed. Can anyone help?
[18:22] <allenc> (minimal UNIX experience) okay, from what I can tell from tuts online, the native linux driver for my wireless card is 'almost' supported
[18:22] <ubuntu_> hey
[18:22] <happyhessian> this is really cool--i can just tell fdisk which block to start and stop at and it will automatically contain all of my data because that's exactly what i shrunk it to with resize2fs!
[18:22] <allenc> attaches to the hardware, but doesn't tell the system that it's a wireless ard
[18:23] <happyhessian> adaptr:(i did understand that correctly, didn't i?)
[18:23] <adaptr> I'm not sure I understand you
[18:24] <fox001> Hi, I can't get compositing enabled at startup, I have to press alt-shift-f12 twice to get it running again, anyone knows why?
[18:26] <fox001> Hi, I can't get compositing enabled at startup, I have to press alt-shift-f12 twice to get it running again, anyone knows why?
[18:26] <happyhessian> i've been following this guide, more or less: http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_resizing_ext3_partitions .  I was confused for a while about how i could keep my data if i delete the partition that it's on but then i realized that the whole point of resize2fs is that you shrink and record exactly where your fs starts and stops.  so you don't have to copy your data, you just clothe a partition upon the data that has just been shrunk.  the only thing
[18:26] <happyhessian>  that i'm still a bit fuzzy about is how to make the lvm partitions.  i imagine that i would open fdisk and tell it to make a partition to complement my shrunken fs and then use the lvm tools to make the correct partitions there, more or less following http://www.tuxradar.com/content/lvm-made-easy
[18:26] <FloodBotK3> happyhessian: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:27] <allenc> found out which driver was attached to my wireless card, and know that it's the right one.  It just isn't letting the system interact with the card for some reason
[18:27] <allenc> hardware shows up when I use lshw
[18:27] <allenc> driver is loaded (lsmod)
[18:27] <fox001> Hi, I can't get compositing enabled at startup, I have to press alt-shift-f12 twice to get it running again, anyone knows why?
[18:27] <allenc> but the wireless card doesn't show up when I use iwconfig
[18:27] <FloodBotK3> allenc: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:27] <kavurt> what's the best opensource pdf editor?
[18:27] <fox001> ****************Hi, I can't get compositing enabled at startup, I have to press alt-shift-f12 twice to get it running again, anyone knows why?
[18:28] <adaptr> that floodbot is broken
[18:29] <fox001> ****************Hi, I can't get compositing enabled at startup, I have to press alt-shift-f12 twice to get it running again, anyone knows why?
[18:29] <adaptr> fox001: that's the 4th time. stop it
[18:29] <happyhessian> i don't quite see how you can not "flood" and not "use enter as punctuation"  they seem to be quite simply mutually exclusive
[18:29] <adaptr> happyhessian: agreed
[18:29] <happyhessian> whatever.
[18:30] <fox001> does anyone get help here?
[18:32] <happyhessian> adaptr: bottom line, though, i think i've got this mostly figured out: in a few minutes, when resize2fs finally finishes, i'll make two partitions with fdisk: a shrunken one according to the new fs size and a complementary one with all the rest of the space.  in the complementary one i want to make logical volumes.  do i have to start with pvcreate on the whole partition?
[18:32] <allenc> dunno if my last messeges got through, but I'm having trouble getting my wireless working
[18:32] <adaptr> you have to start with creating pvs, yes
[18:32] <fox001> I can't get compositing enabled at startup, I have to press alt-shift-f12 twice to get it running again, can anyone help?
[18:36] <developer-si> Hey all! Could someone please tell me what does setting KBUILD_NOPEDANTIC=1 and then runing make for a application to start. I found this as a solution on web when you get this output by runing make: CFLAGS was changed in "<path_to_make>". Fix it to use EXTRA_CFLAGS. Stop.
[18:43] <happyhessian> adaptr:ok, so i create a pv and a vg and turn all the space i have left into one lv (this will ultimately be my home partition which i want to be much larger than my system partition).  then i copy my current home files from the old (now shrunken) partition.  then i reformat the old partition and split it between an lv that i will ultimately attach to my large lv and an lv (or should it just be its own separate ext3 partition that will be my system
[18:43] <happyhessian>  partition?).  then i concatenate the two lvs? or i just make the new lv part of the first vg?
[18:43] <velho> help! How to install azureus and firefox in kubuntu? thanks
[18:44] <happyhessian> sorry to be so pedantic about this, i just know that if i mess it up i could end up really really sorry
[18:44] <adaptr> no, that's about it
[18:44] <russlar> velho: there's an installer for firefox
[18:44] <happyhessian> velho: firefox installs almost automatically
[18:44] <velho> in the official site?
[18:44] <adaptr> whether you want to use an LVM partition for your system is up to you - perhaps you need to expand it in the future....
[18:44] <russlar> velho: no
[18:44] <happyhessian> velho: click on the little k in the left corner
[18:44] <developer-si> velho: open KPackageKit and search for azureus
[18:44] <adaptr> velho: it's already installed
[18:44] <happyhessian> velho: then type "firefox" and you'll see it
[18:45] <happyhessian> velho: and consider using ktorrent, it's a delightful little program
[18:45] <adaptr> azureus is shit, use ktorrent
[18:45] <velho> i prefer azureus, since is closs platform
[18:45] <velho> sorry, but firefox is not installed
[18:45]  * adaptr nonplusses
[18:45] <adaptr> velho: that is not possible.
[18:46] <happyhessian> adaptr: it does seem to be superior... so i just add the new lv to the vg and it will behave as if it is in the same partition as the initial lv?
[18:46] <adaptr> velho: you screwed up an Ubuntu installation; I will alert the Guiness people.
[18:46] <happyhessian> velho: that's probably the installer, click on it and see what happens
[18:46] <jussio1> adaptr: please watch the language ;)
[18:46] <adaptr> happyhessian: no.. add the PV to the VG
[18:46] <velho> I thought also... I'm coming to linux again after serveral years, and as I recall, firefox was installed automaticaly
[18:46] <happyhessian> ahh, ok
[18:47] <russlar> velho: open up a terminal, and run sudo apt-get install firefox
[18:47] <adaptr> jussio1: well, compared to ktorrent, azureus IS pretty crappy
[18:48] <developer-si> I tried ktorrent and I like it.
[18:48] <jussio1> adaptr: maybe, however we need to keep it family friendly in here, so please be careful with your language.
[18:48] <adaptr> jussio1: I know, I know
[18:49] <adaptr> although I laugh at the assertion that the 7 words are bad. George Carlin for president!
[18:50] <velho> russlar: it shows a message about dependencies, and cannot install- isn't there an easy way to install any program?
[18:50] <russlar> what?
[18:50] <velho> how can one install any program without using the terminal?
[18:50] <russlar> velho: run sudo apt-get update, then install firefox
[18:51] <russlar> !kpackagekit | velho
[18:51] <russlar> velho: kpackagekit is a gui app you can use to install software
[18:51] <velho> i run the update, it shows the same dependencies
[18:52] <happyhessian> r: 9.10 has a cute little "Mozilla Firefox Browser Installer"
[18:52] <D-coy> xD
[18:52] <velho> ubottu: can i use it co install bz2 files?
[18:52] <happyhessian> velho: i'm running a livecd right now and it was fast and fully automated to install firefox
[18:52] <russlar> velho: it shouldn't fail to install, unless you tell it not to install the dependancies
[18:52] <xD> D-coy: :P
[18:53] <velho> well, i don't have firefox, don't know why it didn't installed automaticaly... already said that... I relly apreciate some help to install firefox and azureus in a easy way
[18:54] <velho> by the way, thanks for the help being given...
[18:54] <happyhessian> adaptr: now i'm a little bit confused.  after i format my old partition, i'm going to repartition it with fdisk.  i'll then turn that into a pv.  now, i want to attach part of this pv to my already made lv and part of it i want to be treated as its own partition.  should i make two pvs then?
[18:54] <russlar> velho: we've given it. use the kpackagekit application
[18:54] <adaptr> happyhessian: there is no part of.
[18:55] <velho> russlar: oh! sorry! donna try it ;)
[18:55] <velho> *gonna
[18:56] <happyhessian> right, so how do i split the partition then? should i partition it with fdisk and then just treat it as two pvs?
[18:56] <developer-si> Did someone use Cisco VPN client in Kubuntu 9.10 64 bit?
[18:56] <happyhessian> developer-si: ooo me me, pick me!
[18:56] <velho> WOW!
[18:56] <velho> A problem that we were not expecting has occurred.
[18:56] <velho> Please report this bug with the error description.
[18:56] <velho> Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)
[18:56] <velho> what is this»
[18:56] <developer-si> happyhessian: Oh cool ... can we go private please?
[18:56] <velho> it shows in the kpackagekit
[18:57] <luis_> hello, if i grab an old (maybe from 2000-2003, dont remember) HP pavilion a1720n, what i need to modify for it to be able to use at full capabilities with speed MythTV and reproduces HD and do all things new desktop computers do? like changing RAM? can u help me?
[18:57] <russlar> developer-si: you guys miind if I join you?
[18:57] <developer-si> no problem
[18:57] <happyhessian> why not use the channel then?
[18:57] <happyhessian> not that i really care...
[18:57] <developer-si> join chan ciscovpn
[18:57] <velho> when i !Aplly all available updates
[18:57] <velho> when i "Aplly all available updates"
[18:57] <developer-si> russlar, happyhessian: join chan ciscovpn
[18:59] <velho> gosh
[18:59] <freeride> does anybody use Gimp?
[18:59] <velho> seems like this install is a little bit wacky :S
[19:00] <velho> i remember one can update everything, and there were 2 or more commands.
[19:00] <freeride> thanks
[19:00] <ubitsa> hello
[19:00] <velho> can you guys help me? what are these commands?
[19:01] <ggcc> hi
[19:01] <BluesKaj> velho, you still can , sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[19:01] <BluesKaj> or aptitude
[19:02] <ubitsa> guys help
[19:02] <ubitsa> how can i see in what dev are connected some drives?
[19:05] <velho> Thanks BluesKaj!
[19:06] <happyhessian> ubitsa: try typing mount
[19:06] <happyhessian> with no args
[19:06] <BluesKaj> ubitsa, sudo fdisk -l
[19:07] <velho> go,so many errors!
[19:07] <ubitsa> the mount command is only for drives
[19:07] <ubitsa> i want and for usb
[19:07] <velho> I guess I will install kubuntu again...
[19:07] <BluesKaj> ubitsa, lsusb
[19:07] <velho> Kubuntu is behaving like windows!! lololol
[19:08] <jschall> dragon player "closes unexpectedly" if i try to play a dvd.
[19:08] <ubitsa> with i lsusb i cant see in what /dev/ its mounted one usb device
[19:10] <velho> I'm having problems with portuguese language packs
[19:10] <BluesKaj> ubitsa, install procinfo , then do lsdev
[19:11] <velho> can i upgrade from Kubuntu 9.04 to 9.10 without the cd?
[19:11] <ubitsa> thank you blueskaj
[19:12] <weegi> hello?
[19:12] <luis_> Ben64: specifications: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00837320&lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&product=3340228
[19:13] <weegi> first time using kde, its REALLY different from gnome...
[19:13] <maco> velho: yes over the internet
[19:13] <luis_> hello, if i grab an old (maybe from 2000-2003, dont remember) HP pavilion a1720n, what i need to modify for it to be able to use at full capabilities with speed MythTV and reproduces HD and do all things new desktop computers do? like changing RAM? can u help me?
[19:13] <velho> maco: how?
[19:14] <maco> luis_: with speed? lots of RAM and a new CPU...though new CPU probably requires new motherboard...
[19:14] <maco> velho: the updater should offer it
[19:14] <ratasong> hi...does anyone know how to force empty trash content by command line way.
[19:14] <velho> maco: what "updater"?
[19:14] <ubitsa> Bus 001 Device 005: ID 066f:4210 SigmaTel, Inc. STIr4210 IrDA Bridge
[19:14] <maco> velho: the thing you use to install updates. it should have a button to install the new version
[19:14] <ubitsa> i have this device
[19:14] <luis_> maco: what that means? no way to update it? cause the PC is there, without use, and i dont wanna buy another pc for HTPC
[19:15] <velho> maco: where is it?
[19:15] <maco> luis_: a 6-10 year old machine will probably not work well for HD encoding
[19:15] <ubitsa> i have this device in usb and i want to see in what /dev is mounted
[19:15] <velho> maco: i never installed updates...
[19:16] <luis_> maco: so i will have to buy a new 1 without no possible way of "recycling" my dear HP...
[19:16] <maco> velho: open the menu, go to the Computer section, and choose KPackageKit Software Manager
[19:16] <maco> luis_: its probably not well-suited to that purpose. im sure you can find something else it can do
[19:17] <maco> luis_: try starting with adding more RAM.....if you dont intend it to do on the fly encoding, it might work
[19:17] <maco> velho: theres a button on the left for Software Updates
[19:17] <luis_> maco: u have something in mind? i am not expert in thinking what can be a good PC with good specifications for using MythTV for a HTPC
[19:17] <maco> velho: thats how you get normal updates
[19:18] <velho> maco: thanks ;)
[19:18] <maco> luis_: ask in #mythbuntu
[19:18] <luis_> ok
[19:18] <bbigras> is there a better way to use quicktime beside usiing the vlc or kaffeine plugin with Firefox?
[19:19] <velho> KPackageKit Software Manager is giving me errors... :(
[19:19] <maco> oh fun
[19:19] <maco> velho: ok how about this, open a Konsole and put in: sudo apt-get update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[19:19] <maco> velho: thatll bring your 9.04 up to date
[19:19] <maco> velho: then: sudo do-release-upgrade
[19:21] <velho> thanks maco!! sudo apt-get update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade seems to work :D
[19:21] <ajd2k9> /
[19:21] <velho> maco: i had a problem with a packege that was refusing to correct, but I think it's corrected now
[19:23] <ubsafder> does rsync support been restarted if the network fails
[19:26] <maco> ubsafder: yep
[19:26] <drcode> hi all
[19:26] <maco> ubsafder: itll just check what its done so far, then keep going
[19:26] <Delvien> My facebook widget doesnt like to work, i hit reload and nothing happens, i log into konq, and firefox, and it still just sits there blank.. Am i missing something?
[19:26] <drcode> how can I use ubuntu 9.10 with extranel vga screen?
[19:27] <ubsafder> is there any scripts that could continiously check the connections a continue rsync ?
[19:28] <ubsafder> or rsync will try and reconect to the server by it self
[19:28] <fungos> hi
[19:29] <jschall> i installed libdvdcss and dragon player crashes when i try to play dvds
[19:29] <maco> ubsafder: no idea
[19:29] <fungos> anyone upgraded to 9.10 and got no sound ?
[19:30] <fungos> i get this >> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[19:30] <Delvien> yeah
[19:30] <fungos> omg... that sux. any solution?
[19:30] <Delvien> fungos check the mixer, and make sure nothing is muted
[19:31] <fungos> front, pcm2 are not muted. line, mic, igain, digital1 are muted and cant be unmuted
[19:31] <maco> fungos: what kernel are you running
[19:31] <maco> fungos: uname -r
[19:31] <fungos> Linux darkbrain 2.6.28-15-generic #52-Ubuntu SMP Wed Sep 9 10:48:52 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[19:31] <maco> run 9.10's kernel
[19:31] <maco> you're on 9.04's
[19:32] <fungos> it wont update my grub?
[19:32] <maco> should be 2.6.31-14-generic
[19:32] <maco> sudo update-grub
[19:32] <fungos> nice, thanks maco. rebooting to test. brb
[19:34] <jschall> i had to put a script in .kde/Autostart that set PCM to 100%. it kept going to 0% on boot.
[19:36] <seige36> hey all would someone mind helping me with simplify media(daap)?
[19:38] <lorecaster> With two linux computers on my network, would sharing be as easy as offering a folder for share?
[19:38] <maximilian_> Good evening
[19:38] <lorecaster> good evening max :)
[19:39] <seige36> hey all would someone mind helping me with simplify media(daap)?
[19:40] <maximilian_> Chillauez
[19:40] <maximilian_> Chillauey
[19:55] <fungos> maco: worked. thanks.
[19:56] <fungos> what I dont get is how they missed this problem. I update my kubuntu since 7.04 and never had any problems with it.. shame
[19:59] <maco> fungos: it hit a few people before release, but not enough that a trend was noticed
[20:00] <maco> it was *on release day* when 200 bugs were filed for "no sound" and it was the wrong kernel that we figured out what was up
[20:00] <maco> the percentage hitting it is *very* small, so it took until thousands of people installed it for a trend to show up
[20:01] <maco> my roommate and i both tried to reproduce it...ours updated no problems.  some devs seem to have figured out *what* causes it, like 4 days ago, but we still dont know how 9.04 got into the bad state for those people where it then broke this
[20:03] <anasse> any help for huawei e220
[20:03] <fungos> maco: another problem. update-grub wont work. it says it updated, but it wont update. I had to edit menu.lst by hand to add 9.10 kernel
[20:05] <callnett> hello, is anyone here who can help me how can i re install ubuntu with terminal?
[20:05] <maco> fungos: did it update the vmlinuz line and not the initrd line? if so, you're the 2nd person to say that
[20:06] <anasse> hi
[20:08] <fungos> maco: no, it wont update any line. just seems do not touch my .lst file
[20:10] <freaky[t]> is there any admin gui for samba in kubuntu?
[20:11] <fungos> maco: yeah, something is wrong. I removed my menu.lst and created a empty with touch menu.lst, then ran update-grub
[20:12] <maco> O_O
[20:12] <fungos> the only thing it adds to menu.lst is a bunch of commented things
[20:12] <maco> the commented section tells it settings
[20:12] <fungos> yeah, but no kernels ;S
[20:13] <maco> please file a bug
[20:13] <maco> ubuntu-bug grub
[20:13] <fungos> anything else to help catch the problem?
[20:13] <vlt> Hello. I tried to add a list of recipients from the address book to an email in K-Mail. But K-Mail didn't send the mail to the addresses on the list but to listname@standard-domain. Any idea what I did wrong?
[20:15] <callnett> hello, is anyone here who can help me how can i re install ubuntu with terminal? please
[20:15] <callnett> hello, is anyone here who can help me how can i re install ubuntu with terminal? please
[20:21] <vlt> callnett: What's the problem?
[20:21] <masood> hi everyone
[20:21] <masood> I'm new at IRC:-)
[20:33] <K350> What is the name of Kubuntu 9.10 ?
[20:38] <chris____> hallo
[20:38] <chris____> is this a german irc or english???
[20:39] <llutz> en
[20:39] <chris____> i cannot activate the desktop effects
[20:39] <chris____> it says that it is not possible to run composit
[20:40] <chris____> fglrx is installed
[20:41] <chris____> can somebody help me?
[20:43] <capcom> chris____: this channel is actually english.. for german help join #kubuntu-de
[20:43] <chris____> ok, thank you
[20:44] <callnett> vlt: i tried to use ubuntu with kubuntu and now i have somthing mixt, and i want to reinstall all
[20:44] <callnett> vlt: sorry for late answer
[20:45] <capcom> are there some changes in karmic according the devices shown in /dev ? i have here the strange thing that i don't see my eth* or wlan* devices under /dev, but they are there when i check ifconfig / iwconfig and i also actually can use them
[20:51] <vlt> callnett: The only difference between Kubuntu and Ubuntu is the _default_ desktop environment. So "something mixed" shouldn't be a problem at all.
[20:53] <kristian1> Torchlight is a great new game made by Runic Games. Some of the developers behind Torchlight were also behind Diablo 1 and 2. The game is currently Windows only, but they might make a Linux version. Here is some game info: http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/torchlight/review.html?part=rss&subj=6238401 If you like what you see, register and make your voice heard here: http://forums.runicgames.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=901
[20:53] <callnett> ok thanks, but when i start my computer is a long prosess to start
[20:54] <callnett> vlt: ok thanks, but when i start my computer is a long prosess to start
[20:56] <capcom> will there be in the next time a patch or a fix that makes the gtk+ font settings look like the kde settings? until now this doesn't work here.. i set kde fonts to size 8, but e.g. the firefox menu or other gtk based gui use a font size 9 anyway
[20:58] <lorecaster> w
[20:58] <lorecaster> What's the best way to allow file and printer sharing between two ubuntu computers across a local area network?
[20:59] <vlt> lorecaster: For printing CUPS, for files either sshfs or nfs
[21:00] <lorecaster> thanks
[21:17] <jhutchins> Anybody care to recommend a US mirror for the ISO?
[21:19] <kavurt> jhutchins: why don't you use torrent?
[21:19] <bbigras> you can pick any, if the speed is low try another
[21:19] <jhutchins> kavurt: 'cause it's always slower for me.
[21:20] <kavurt> I see
[21:20] <callnett> vlt: but anyway can u tell me the secret how can i reinstall the ubuntu with the terminal ,please
[21:21] <callnett> vlt: u know these keyword please?
[21:22] <Matisse> Since Kde 4.3 (= since Karmic) windows are maximized til under the taskbar. Is it possible to change like it was before (maximized windows "stopped" before the taskbar)
[21:23] <russlar> jhutchins: I've found the anl.gov to be fast
[21:24] <russlar> jhutchins: mit is also fairly quick for me
[21:24] <Matisse> yeah... got it :)
[21:25] <yofel> callnett: what do you mean with 'reinstall with the terminal' the only ways you can install ubuntu are with the live/alternate/minimal cd's
[21:25] <jhutchins> Ktorrent is claiming it can't write to the cache, permission denied.
[21:26] <lorecaster> struggling with NFS... keep getting "mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting 192.168.2.11:/media/STORAGE" when i try to "sudo mount 192.168.2.11:/media/STORAGE /media/STORAGE"... used "http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=249889" as a tutorial. Any good samaritans willing to hold my hand a while?
[21:26] <russlar> jhutchins: check where its trying to save teh file, and make sure you ahve write perms to that folder
[21:26] <lorecaster> Karmic ubuntu client AND server
[21:27] <russlar> lorecaster: can you post the /etc/exports from teh server
[21:27] <jhutchins> Thanks, MIT's giving me about 500k, which is better than torrent.
[21:27] <kavurt> I lost "menu toolbar" in okular. how can I bring it back?
[21:27] <jhutchins> russlar: Yep, it's the cache file for ktorrent, it's just lost it's fuzzy little mind.
[21:28] <lorecaster> both share folders are shared in gui and have 777 file permissions...
[21:28] <lorecaster> sure things russlar
[21:28] <Riding-High> Just wondering, I'm running Kubuntu on my Asus EEE and can't get things to install without a real struggle - I heard it might have something to do with setting permissions for the SSD?
[21:28] <lorecaster> http://pastebin.com/m69c7b7f4
[21:29] <cousinkruger> salut
[21:29] <russlar> lorecaster: your shares are commented out
[21:29] <lorecaster> :| seriously
[21:29] <lorecaster> how could i have missed that?!
[21:29] <callnett> yofel: ok, so can i do live great , because i dont have cd
[21:30] <callnett> yofel: can u tell me how please
[21:30] <lorecaster> still have permission denied
[21:30] <russlar> lorecaster: dunno, but cd kitchen && more coffee usually fixes those sorts of things for me ;)
[21:30] <yofel> callnett: create yourself a usb live flashdrive?
[21:31] <yofel> callnett: I don't know how to reinstall ubuntu from the command line (is that even possible?)
[21:31] <lorecaster> great minds think alike ;) I can hear my expresso machine and my chocolate-flavoured beans whispering sweet nothings from my prep-station ;)
[21:31] <russlar> yofel: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a
[21:32] <russlar> lorecaster: did you restat nfs on teh server once you fixed /etc/exports?
[21:32] <lorecaster> russlar: rubs temples... i'll be alright
[21:32] <callnett> yes thet i want to ask
[21:32] <russlar> lorecaster: I'll take that as a no
[21:33] <callnett> yofel: yes thet i want to ask
[21:33] <yofel> russlar: and if you corrupted or deleted some files?
[21:33] <lorecaster> russlar: sudo /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart yeah?
[21:33] <russlar> lorecaster: yes
[21:33] <russlar> yofel: you have backups, right?
[21:33] <lorecaster> russlar: alright, that much is done.
[21:33] <yofel> russlar: well *I* do, but it's callnett that want's to know this
[21:33] <russlar> callnett: you have backups, right?
[21:34] <lorecaster> YAY! i am not denied permissions now!
[21:34] <russlar> cool
[21:34] <russlar> lorecaster: cd into your nfs mount, and touch something
[21:35] <lorecaster> russlar: from the host?
[21:35] <russlar> from teh client, yes
[21:35] <russlar> just to make sure you can write to teh share from teh client
[21:35] <callnett> yofel: sorry first i need a flashdrive, i have it. from where can i download a flashdrive version?
[21:36] <lorecaster> russlar: it works flawlessly... i'm a duphus :P
[21:36] <russlar> lorecaster: glad I could help
[21:36] <lorecaster> bless you, have a beer on me :)
[21:36] <yofel> callnett: if you still have kubuntu running, download the cd image and use usb-creator to get it on the flash drive
[21:37] <yofel> (if your version of kubuntu is new enough to have usb-creator)
[21:37] <callnett> yofel: o is hard
[21:38] <callnett> yofel: CD image for ubuntu?
[21:38] <russlar> callnett: yes, the .iso you'd normally burn to a cd
[21:39] <yofel> callnett: yes, the image for x/k/ubuntu - whichever you want to use
[21:40] <callnett> ok, but easyer to download a ubuntu version for usb for me, sorry
[21:40] <callnett> yofel: ok, but easyer to download a ubuntu version for usb for me, sorry
[21:41] <gazra> hi
[21:41] <yofel> callnett: well, I don't know which  ones are for usb drives, I always use the cd .iso and use usb-creator
[21:41] <gazra> I have a big problem with kwallet, apparently there was an error and now I cannot access my wallet of passwords
[21:43] <russlar> yofel: callnett: I think that is teh USB version
[21:43] <russlar> there's isn't one specificaly for USB, you make them, based off the ISO
[21:43] <ubuntu_> hello
[21:43] <ubuntu_> how can i install kubuntu restricted extras?
[21:43] <russlar> ubuntu_: aptitude isntall kibuntu-restricted-extras
[21:43] <gazra> The problem is that this is happening in the computer from my mother and she lives far away, i only have remote access and krfb is not working
[21:44] <varanus> hi all, i'm getting this error when trying to boot unable to find suitable fs in /proc/mounts   use --subdomainsfs to override and here is my /proc/mounts http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/d7894d29d   any idea of what could be the problem?
[21:44] <mianmar> russlar: it doenst find it? maybe the repo is not enabled
[21:44] <russlar> mianmar: probably
[21:44] <russlar> mianmar: amke sure you have universe and multiverse enabled
[21:44] <russlar> and run aptitude update
[21:44] <mianmar> how?
[21:45] <russlar> mianmar: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:45] <russlar> mianmar: or use the gui
[21:45] <yofel> russlar: there were some .bin files for the jaunty UNR version iirc, dunno if there are any for karmic
[21:45] <yofel> but using the iso's is usually what you want
[21:48] <freaky[t]> what is a good IDE for kubuntu?
[21:48] <mianmar> thanks russlar
[21:48] <gazra> Can someone please tell me how to disable kwallet remotely only through ssh?
[21:48] <gazra> Please!!
[21:51] <yofel> freaky[t]: well, that depends on the language, the better one's I know are: kdevelop, qt-creator and eclipse
[21:51] <yofel> !ide | freaky[t]
[21:52] <freaky[t]> doesnt kdevelop support kde4 yet?
[21:54] <freaky[t]> oh i mean quanta
[22:02] <capcom> quanta is in the repos of karmic, so it seems to support kde4
[22:09] <gazra> Please, i need to disable kwallet from an ssh terminal, can someone please tell me how
[22:11] <yofel> gazra: tried asking in #kde since nobody seems to know how to do that here right now?
[22:14] <kaddi> hi, for 3 days kopete has been multiplying empty entries in my friendlist. It has also undone all my metacontacts into single contacts for every chat protocol.
[22:15] <kaddi> How can I stop new entries to be added to that list
[22:15] <Ev0luti0n_> :|
[22:16] <Ev0luti0n_> i never had any problems with kopete
[22:16] <Ev0luti0n_> can't help you
[22:16] <lovre> hi all. How come /etc/rc.local is not run at startup anymore in 9.10?
[22:18] <vlt> callnett: `sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop`
[22:23] <dylan_> why does opengl seem to run slower than directx?
[22:24] <happyhessian> adaptr:you still hangin around?
[22:24]  * adaptr hangs
[22:25] <happyhessian> these vm things are really cool.  i've successfully copied my home into a new partition, formatted the old one and repartitioned it into two: 20G for the system and 38G to be rejoined with home.
[22:25] <happyhessian> but i'm having some trouble allocating the space to the 38G partition
[22:26] <kaddi> is there a way to backup my friendslist on kopete? so that I can just restore the "normal" one, when kopete acts up the next time?
[22:27] <happyhessian> i made it part of the same vg as the first partition but then when i tried to extend it to its full size, i got
[22:27] <happyhessian> # lvextend -L3000000K /dev/homevg/secondlv    Rounding up size to full physical extent 2.86 GB   Extending logical volume secondlv to 2.86 GB
[22:30] <happyhessian> adaptr: or actually, here's more output: http://pastebin.com/f3a4566ac
[22:31] <adaptr> happyhessian: this implies you are using two LVs for your home partition - how would that work ?
[22:31] <adaptr> as I said before - two PVs, one VG, one LV
[22:31] <happyhessian> ok, how do i make one lv over two pvs?
[22:33] <adaptr> happyhessian: it did exactly what you told it to do. count your zeroes.
[22:35] <happyhessian> adaptr: yea, i was an order of magnitude off--but i understand from you now that that whole approach is wrong. also, even though i was an order of magnitude off, it still gave me "insufficient free space."  what is the right way to do this?
[22:35] <adaptr> the Right way would be to follow the manual - this situation is undoubtedly documented
[22:36] <adaptr> a PV is an ordinary partition - you can have as many as your disk layout supports
[22:36] <adaptr> a VG is agrouping of PVs that are handled as a "pool" of disk space
[22:36] <adaptr> LVs are created out of this pool, in any combination you need
[22:36] <happyhessian> mmmm, i'm beginning to understand
[22:37] <adaptr> the value of this abstraction is that you can make, destroy, extend, and shrink Lvs however you see fit, without changing a single byte on disk
[22:38] <yofel> lovre: it's not that rc.local isn't run at startup, but the upstart transition seems to have messed up the timings :/
[22:39] <lovre> yofel: so its getting called at a wrong time?
[22:39] <happyhessian> adaptr: so once i connect a PV to a LG a LV which is already in that group can extend to the newly connected PV?
[22:40] <yofel> lovre: seems like it to me, since my rc.local *does* run, but a timing sensitive command doesn't work like it did in jaunty
[22:40] <adaptr> happyhessian: should be, yes
[22:40] <lovre> yofel: you can tell that it runs because some commands execute? That makes sense..
[22:40] <happyhessian> so now i just have to figure out the syntax and everything
[22:40] <adaptr> happyhessian: the VG pool has "grown" in size, which can then be used by any LV on that VG
[22:41] <lovre> yofel: what do you think can i use in exchange for rc.local? i need a command to be run at startup with root privileges
[22:41] <happyhessian> adaptr: even though it's almost 1am and i've been working on this for hours, i have to say that is really cool.
[22:41] <yofel> lovre: no idea sry, I'm still trying to figure that out myself
[22:42] <lovre> yofel: :( ok thanx
[22:42] <adaptr> happyhessian: it is, ye s- and you could go one step further, by including the root partition PV in the VG and cutting it up any which way
[22:43] <happyhessian> and give it its own LV?
[22:43] <Riding-High> Just wondering, I'm running Kubuntu on my Asus EEE and can't get things to install without a real struggle - I heard it might have something to do with setting permissions for the SSD? Does anyone know how to change them?
[22:44] <adaptr> happyhessian: exactly
[22:45] <velho> good night kubuntu comunity, thanks for ALL the help! Great things to all ;-)
[22:45] <adaptr> happyhessian: I think we're done :)
[22:45] <adaptr> LVM cram 101
[22:45] <happyhessian> i hope so... i still have to figure out the syntax for adding the pv to the lg.  but thanks a lot, this is obviously a superior way to manage hdds.
[22:46] <adaptr> it has its moments
[22:46] <adaptr> if you want to scale up, move to EVMS2 - it'll blow your mind further
[22:47] <happyhessian> maybe i'll save that for tomorrow night at 1am :)
[22:47] <adaptr> but it's very not useful for home deployments
[22:47] <adaptr> *not very
[22:47] <happyhessian> btw, vgextend
[22:56] <slow-motion> n8
[22:57] <v1ttu_> is there anyway to enable webcam in kopete anymore?
[23:08] <catamarquence> hey guys, im trying tu use usb creator but when i select the image it doesnt charge it
[23:08] <v1ttu_> charge?
[23:09] <catamarquence> yeah it doesnt show it on the field as mounted or whatever
[23:09] <v1ttu_> iso version?
[23:10] <catamarquence> its a remaster copy
[23:10] <catamarquence> 9.10
[23:10] <v1ttu_> ugh
[23:10] <v1ttu_> dunno bout that soz
[23:10] <v1ttu_> you sure the ISO is ok?
[23:13] <skunch> is someone smart when it come to Force Mount commands?
[23:15] <russlar> skunch: what's goign on?>
[23:18] <rfoney> hi
[23:20] <rfoney> hello
[23:20] <rfoney> how is your day?
[23:20] <v1ttu_> black with stars
[23:26] <rfoney> one love?
[23:29] <v1ttu_> one nation?
[23:30] <v1ttu_> the black waltz?
[23:30] <rfoney> who knows the word, and who knows the spirit?
[23:31] <russlar> He who is known as I am.
[23:37] <tom_> lol
[23:39] <bugman> open for questions?
[23:39] <nomopofomo> had a question regarding bittorrent and ed2k... why is it that peers can connect to me when i use utorrent in windows but not ktorrent in linux? my ports are forwarded and i'm even using the upnp plugin for ktorrent... and in mldonkey i can never get a highid no matter what i try... is there something i'm missing? and no, i'm not using iptables or any firewall software that i'm aware of unless ubuntu snuck something in...
[23:39] <faileas> hmm is protocol encryption on in ktorrent?
[23:40]  * faileas notes some ISPs tend to mess up torrents without it
[23:41] <yofel> !ask | bugman
[23:45] <developer-si> Did anyone tried to configure Cisco VPN client on 2.6.31 kenrel?
[23:45] <rfoney> hello, does anyone know about gps?
[23:45] <rfoney> or have any good computer programs for my pc?
[23:45] <rfoney> I would like to begin gps
[23:47] <maco> developer-si: vpnc you mean? works fine in karmic
[23:47] <russlar> maco: no, he means teh actual Cisco vpnclient
[23:47] <russlar> maco: http://ilapstech.blogspot.com/2009/09/cisco-vpn-client-on-karmic-koala.html
[23:48] <maco> oh. no idea then
[23:48] <developer-si> maco: I can't successfully patch the interceptor.c file
[23:48] <nomopofomo> where can i get a firewall for kde4?
[23:48] <nomopofomo> graphical
[23:48] <developer-si> vpnc is a vpn client?
[23:48] <v1ttu_> kmyfirewall
[23:49] <maco> yes
[23:49] <maco> vpnc is a command line client for cisco vpn
[23:49] <nomopofomo> v1ttu_: is there anything more recent for kde4?
[23:50] <developer-si> maco: cool, thanks .. I'll try it out
[23:50] <nomopofomo> v1ttu_: also heard that ubuntu by default denies all incoming connections, that true?
[23:50] <v1ttu_> yeah
[23:50] <nomopofomo> v1ttu_: how can i disable that?
[23:50] <maco> nomopofomo: by default the firewall (iptables) is not configured. since no services are listening on any external ports, this is effectively like deny
[23:50] <v1ttu_> li nux has a secure built in firewall
[23:50] <v1ttu_> and no
[23:51] <v1ttu_> no more recent version than the repos i dont think
[23:51] <nomopofomo> v1ttu_: ok so i need to open it up myself
[23:51] <v1ttu_> open what?
[23:51] <v1ttu_> the firewall?
[23:51] <nomopofomo> v1ttu_: the ports
[23:51] <v1ttu_> why??
[23:51] <maco> nomopofomo: if you start a service that listens on an external port, it will show up as open when you port scan it
[23:52] <maco> nomopofomo: the firewall is NOT configured by default
[23:52] <maco> it just *looks* like deny-all when you port scan because nothing is listening
[23:52] <v1ttu_> still works
[23:52] <maco> if you start a service listening, then itll show that port as open when you port scan
[23:53] <maco> as long as nothing is listening, it doesnt matter what your firewall settings are
[23:53] <v1ttu_> which version of kbuntu are you using ?
[23:53] <nomopofomo> maco: i'm confused here, basically what i'm trying to figure out is why people can't connect to me when i'm seeding torrents... and it works fine in windows... if i open up iptables (or use a firewall gui) and make an entry that allows whichever port, will it start working? everything is properly forwarded in my router but uploads are very shoddy
[23:53] <v1ttu_> kubuntu*
[23:53] <nomopofomo> v1ttu_: 9.10
[23:54] <v1ttu_> i have no problem seeding on 9.10
[23:54] <v1ttu_> which isp do you have?
[23:54] <maco> nomopofomo: the firewall isnt blocking anything by default
[23:54] <nomopofomo> v1ttu_: time warner/roadrunner but utorrent works fine in windows
[23:55] <v1ttu_> which ri=outer do you have?
[23:55] <v1ttu_> ?
[23:55] <v1ttu_> router*
[23:55] <nomopofomo> dlink dir-655...
[23:56] <v1ttu_> weird
[23:56] <v1ttu_> lemme see if i can ping you
[23:58] <v1ttu_> i get a response
[23:58] <v1ttu_> is ktorrent open now?
[23:58] <nomopofomo> no
[23:59] <v1ttu_> then you have an open port
[23:59] <v1ttu_> have you tried to modify the firewall already with anything?
[23:59] <russlar> you can use telnet port_number_here to test for open ports
[23:59] <nomopofomo> v1ttu_: what do you mean modify? program for iptables or like custom firmware for router?