| superm1 | hey guys, re bug 453365, what's the best way to represent Anders' last reply? | 19:26 |
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| superm1 | ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/453365 ) | 19:26 |
| Keybuk | superm1: Anders is correct | 19:42 |
| Keybuk | if you only start when a display manager is started, then it won't get started on server | 19:42 |
| sadmac_ | Keybuk: appart from added stanzas and not being able to repeat start/stop stanzas whats different about 0.6 job syntax from 0.3? | 19:49 |
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| Keybuk | sadmac_home: service is the default | 19:49 |
| sadmac_home | Keybuk: cool | 19:49 |
| sadmac_home | Keybuk: I'm going to try to patch 0.6 to parse 0.3 style syntax out of /etc/event.d. It should be trivial, and it would go a long way to getting rid of 0.3 in RH stuff | 19:50 |
| Keybuk | I thought you guys were sticking until after RHEL was out | 19:50 |
| sadmac_home | Keybuk: I might be able to squeeze it in in a minor release if it doesn't break config format | 19:51 |
| Keybuk | you're not subscribing to the LF/LWN bitching then? :p | 19:53 |
| sadmac_home | Keybuk: has there been bitching? | 19:53 |
| sadmac_home | Keybuk: from who? about what? | 19:53 |
| Keybuk | oh, apparently RedHat would never sign the copyright assignment | 19:54 |
| Keybuk | and are forking Upstart | 19:54 |
| Keybuk | or was that SuSE forking Upstart? | 19:54 |
| sadmac_home | Keybuk: ...this is not true | 19:54 |
| Keybuk | and the Linux Foundation are throwing Canonical out for having it | 19:54 |
| Keybuk | you know how it is | 19:54 |
| sadmac_home | Keybuk: granted, we hate you for your stupid copyright assignment, but when we have to play ball... | 19:55 |
| ion | Forking Upstart? That’s sad. | 19:55 |
| Keybuk | ion: you've met Lennart right? :p | 19:55 |
| ion | :-D | 19:55 |
| sadmac_home | I may fork pulseaudio, just to watch it languish and die | 19:56 |
| ion | Not actually, but i do know of him. | 19:56 |
| Keybuk | sadmac_home: it's a bit of a long story | 19:56 |
| Keybuk | but we've done some detective work | 19:56 |
| Keybuk | it seems that SuSE were going to adopt Upstart | 19:57 |
| Keybuk | and their lawyers threw a tizzy about the copyright assignment | 19:57 |
| Keybuk | (ironic, since it was pretty much based on their Mono one <g>) | 19:57 |
| ion | Hah | 19:57 |
| Keybuk | Greg KH then led an anti-Canonical tirade over beers in the pub | 19:57 |
| Keybuk | various RH people were there, including Lennart | 19:57 |
| Keybuk | and various SuSE people | 19:57 |
| superm1 | Keybuk, but what kind of results would be expected by having an "or (starting rc RUNLEVEL[2345])"? does that mean that the that starting gdm etc would be ignored? | 19:57 |
| Keybuk | which led to the LF Technical Advisory Board officially deciding it was a problem | 19:57 |
| Keybuk | superm1: it means that the first one to start wins | 19:58 |
| ion | (Oh, wait, i *have* met him briefly on IRC.) | 19:58 |
| ion | keybuk: When will 0.10 be out, btw? ;-) | 19:58 |
| Keybuk | ion: err when I start it + some time | 19:59 |
| Keybuk | got distracted with all those mountall issues | 19:59 |
| Keybuk | and then distracted by ureadahead <g> | 19:59 |
| ion | Heh | 19:59 |
| superm1 | Keybuk, Hm, so then maybe the ideal situation would be an "or (starting rc RUNLEVEL[5])",? or are all the old rc runlevels still going in parallel with upstart jobs? | 19:59 |
| sadmac_home | I have that new conf parser written mostly. A bit burnt out now :) | 19:59 |
| sadmac_home | hence going back to patching 0.6. Need to not work on that for a bit while my brain heals. | 20:00 |
| Keybuk | superm1: I'm not raelly following, sorry | 20:01 |
| Keybuk | ask me when it's not Sunday evening and I'm not watching DS9, and when I haven't had a few drinks <g> | 20:01 |
| superm1 | alrighty, i'll ping ya some time during the week after i can even make sure that the current proposed solution DTRT in the first place for desktop systems | 20:01 |
| Keybuk | are you coming to Dallas? | 20:02 |
| superm1 | Yeah, but not until Tuesday | 20:02 |
| sadmac_home | what's in Dallas? | 20:02 |
| Keybuk | sadmac_home: this UDS | 20:02 |
| sadmac_home | Keybuk: o wow | 20:02 |
| sadmac_home | Keybuk: you + dallas = :''( | 20:02 |
| Keybuk | why :''( ? | 20:03 |
| sadmac_home | Keybuk: you're just very un-Texan | 20:04 |
| Keybuk | but, but | 20:04 |
| Keybuk | I'm going to get me a cowboy! | 20:04 |
| sadmac_home | Keybuk: getting you a cowboy isn't legal in Texas :P | 20:05 |
| sadmac_home | Keybuk: though that really doesn't stop anybody | 20:05 |
| Keybuk | sadmac_home: we can run for the border | 20:05 |
| Keybuk | in an open-topped american muscle car! | 20:05 |
| Keybuk | I've seen the movies! | 20:06 |
| sadmac_home | Keybuk: you shouldn't let the movies color your views of Americans | 20:06 |
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| sadmac_home | Keybuk: if I'd let deliverance color my views of gay people It'd be a very sad thing :( | 20:07 |
| Keybuk | haha | 20:07 |
| Keybuk | do you know, I've never seen that film | 20:07 |
| sadmac_home | Keybuk: I was young, so I saw everything leading up to and following the famous scene. | 20:08 |
| sadmac_home | Keybuk: I think "squeal like a pig" paints me a pretty good image of the missing bit though. | 20:08 |
| robbiew_ | FYI - Deliverance wasn't in Texas...not even the same region of the US | 20:09 |
| Keybuk | surely that colours your view of Rednecks? :p | 20:09 |
| sadmac_home | robbiew_: did we imply such? | 20:09 |
| sadmac_home | Keybuk: I'm on a first name basis with too many rednecks for my views to be colored | 20:09 |
| sadmac_home | Keybuk: too many gays too, though most of them are furries so that in itself probably colors things a bit. | 20:10 |
| robbiew_ | rednecks are also different from hillbillies...which was deliverance ;) | 20:10 |
| robbiew_ | I stay away from both if at all possible | 20:10 |
| sadmac_home | rednecks are good people. | 20:10 |
| sadmac_home | except when they dip snuff. that's the grossest habbit I've ever seen | 20:12 |
| robbiew_ | or tie black people to the back of their trucks and drag them until the head comes off ;) | 20:12 |
| Keybuk | robbiew_: hey, at least you get the truck :-) | 20:13 |
| sadmac_home | robbiew_: most of the rednecks I know are fairly racially modernized | 20:13 |
| robbiew_ | heh..that's nice | 20:13 |
| sadmac_home | Keybuk: didn't debian formally adopt upstart? Doesn't that make upstart.ubuntu.com out of date? | 20:35 |
| Keybuk | sadmac_home: it's Debian | 20:35 |
| Keybuk | time from decision to implementation can be measured in ecological scales | 20:35 |
| sadmac_home | Keybuk: ah | 20:36 |
| Keybuk | I think officially the Debian sysvinit maintainer is waiting for the Debian upstart maintainer to implement a few backwards compatibility shims | 20:36 |
| Keybuk | mbiebl: how are those going? | 20:36 |
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