[19:26] <superm1> hey guys, re bug 453365, what's the best way to represent Anders' last reply?  
[19:26] <superm1> ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/453365 )
[19:42] <Keybuk> superm1: Anders is correct
[19:42] <Keybuk> if you only start when a display manager is started, then it won't get started on server
[19:49] <sadmac_> Keybuk: appart from added stanzas and not being able to repeat start/stop stanzas whats different about 0.6 job syntax from 0.3?
[19:49] <Keybuk> sadmac_home: service is the default
[19:49] <sadmac_home> Keybuk: cool
[19:50] <sadmac_home> Keybuk: I'm going to try to patch 0.6 to parse 0.3 style syntax out of /etc/event.d. It should be trivial, and it would go a long way to getting rid of 0.3 in RH stuff
[19:50] <Keybuk> I thought you guys were sticking until after RHEL was out
[19:51] <sadmac_home> Keybuk: I might be able to squeeze it in in a minor release if it doesn't break config format
[19:53] <Keybuk> you're not subscribing to the LF/LWN bitching then? :p
[19:53] <sadmac_home> Keybuk: has there been bitching?
[19:53] <sadmac_home> Keybuk: from who? about what?
[19:54] <Keybuk> oh, apparently RedHat would never sign the copyright assignment
[19:54] <Keybuk> and are forking Upstart
[19:54] <Keybuk> or was that SuSE forking Upstart?
[19:54] <sadmac_home> Keybuk: ...this is not true
[19:54] <Keybuk> and the Linux Foundation are throwing Canonical out for having it
[19:54] <Keybuk> you know how it is
[19:55] <sadmac_home> Keybuk: granted, we hate you for your stupid copyright assignment, but when we have to play ball...
[19:55] <ion> Forking Upstart? That’s sad.
[19:55] <Keybuk> ion: you've met Lennart right? :p
[19:55] <ion> :-D
[19:56] <sadmac_home> I may fork pulseaudio, just to watch it languish and die
[19:56] <ion> Not actually, but i do know of him.
[19:56] <Keybuk> sadmac_home: it's a bit of a long story
[19:56] <Keybuk> but we've done some detective work
[19:57] <Keybuk> it seems that SuSE were going to adopt Upstart
[19:57] <Keybuk> and their lawyers threw a tizzy about the copyright assignment
[19:57] <Keybuk> (ironic, since it was pretty much based on their Mono one <g>)
[19:57] <ion> Hah
[19:57] <Keybuk> Greg KH then led an anti-Canonical tirade over beers in the pub
[19:57] <Keybuk> various RH people were there, including Lennart
[19:57] <Keybuk> and various SuSE people
[19:57] <superm1> Keybuk, but what kind of results would be expected by having an "or  (starting rc RUNLEVEL[2345])"?  does that mean that the that starting gdm etc would be ignored?
[19:57] <Keybuk> which led to the LF Technical Advisory Board officially deciding it was a problem
[19:58] <Keybuk> superm1: it means that the first one to start wins
[19:58] <ion> (Oh, wait, i *have* met him briefly on IRC.)
[19:58] <ion> keybuk: When will 0.10 be out, btw? ;-)
[19:59] <Keybuk> ion: err when I start it + some time
[19:59] <Keybuk> got distracted with all those mountall issues
[19:59] <Keybuk> and then distracted by ureadahead <g>
[19:59] <ion> Heh
[19:59] <superm1> Keybuk, Hm, so then maybe the ideal situation would be an "or (starting rc RUNLEVEL[5])",?  or are all the old rc runlevels still going in parallel with upstart jobs?
[19:59] <sadmac_home> I have that new conf parser written mostly. A bit burnt out now :)
[20:00] <sadmac_home> hence going back to patching 0.6. Need to not work on that for a bit while my brain heals.
[20:01] <Keybuk> superm1: I'm not raelly following, sorry
[20:01] <Keybuk> ask me when it's not Sunday evening and I'm not watching DS9, and when I haven't had a few drinks <g>
[20:01] <superm1> alrighty, i'll ping ya some time during the week after i can even make sure that the current proposed solution DTRT in the first place for desktop systems
[20:02] <Keybuk> are you coming to Dallas?
[20:02] <superm1> Yeah, but not until Tuesday
[20:02] <sadmac_home> what's in Dallas?
[20:02] <Keybuk> sadmac_home: this UDS
[20:02] <sadmac_home> Keybuk: o wow
[20:02] <sadmac_home> Keybuk: you + dallas = :''(
[20:03] <Keybuk> why :''( ?
[20:04] <sadmac_home> Keybuk: you're just very un-Texan
[20:04] <Keybuk> but, but
[20:04] <Keybuk> I'm going to get me a cowboy!
[20:05] <sadmac_home> Keybuk: getting you a cowboy isn't legal in Texas :P
[20:05] <sadmac_home> Keybuk: though that really doesn't stop anybody
[20:05] <Keybuk> sadmac_home: we can run for the border
[20:05] <Keybuk> in an open-topped american muscle car!
[20:06] <Keybuk> I've seen the movies!
[20:06] <sadmac_home> Keybuk: you shouldn't let the movies color your views of Americans
[20:07] <sadmac_home> Keybuk: if I'd let deliverance color my views of gay people It'd be a very sad thing :(
[20:07] <Keybuk> haha
[20:07] <Keybuk> do you know, I've never seen that film
[20:08] <sadmac_home> Keybuk: I was young, so I saw everything leading up to and following the famous scene.
[20:08] <sadmac_home> Keybuk: I think "squeal like a pig" paints me a pretty good image of the missing bit though.
[20:09] <robbiew_> FYI - Deliverance wasn't in Texas...not even the same region of the US
[20:09] <Keybuk> surely that colours your view of Rednecks? :p
[20:09] <sadmac_home> robbiew_: did we imply such?
[20:09] <sadmac_home> Keybuk: I'm on a first name basis with too many rednecks for my views to be colored
[20:10] <sadmac_home> Keybuk: too many gays too, though most of them are furries so that in itself probably colors things a bit.
[20:10] <robbiew_> rednecks are also different from hillbillies...which was deliverance ;)
[20:10] <robbiew_> I stay away from both if at all possible
[20:10] <sadmac_home> rednecks are good people.
[20:12] <sadmac_home> except when they dip snuff. that's the grossest habbit I've ever seen
[20:12] <robbiew_> or tie black people to the back of their trucks and drag them until the head comes off ;)
[20:13] <Keybuk> robbiew_: hey, at least you get the truck :-)
[20:13] <sadmac_home> robbiew_: most of the rednecks I know are fairly racially modernized
[20:13] <robbiew_> heh..that's nice
[20:35] <sadmac_home> Keybuk: didn't debian formally adopt upstart? Doesn't that make upstart.ubuntu.com out of date?
[20:35] <Keybuk> sadmac_home: it's Debian
[20:35] <Keybuk> time from decision to implementation can be measured in ecological scales
[20:36] <sadmac_home> Keybuk: ah
[20:36] <Keybuk> I think officially the Debian sysvinit maintainer is waiting for the Debian upstart maintainer to implement a few backwards compatibility shims
[20:36] <Keybuk> mbiebl: how are those going?