[19:26] hey guys, re bug 453365, what's the best way to represent Anders' last reply? [19:26] ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/453365 ) [19:42] superm1: Anders is correct [19:42] if you only start when a display manager is started, then it won't get started on server [19:49] Keybuk: appart from added stanzas and not being able to repeat start/stop stanzas whats different about 0.6 job syntax from 0.3? === sadmac_ is now known as sadmac_home [19:49] sadmac_home: service is the default [19:49] Keybuk: cool [19:50] Keybuk: I'm going to try to patch 0.6 to parse 0.3 style syntax out of /etc/event.d. It should be trivial, and it would go a long way to getting rid of 0.3 in RH stuff [19:50] I thought you guys were sticking until after RHEL was out [19:51] Keybuk: I might be able to squeeze it in in a minor release if it doesn't break config format [19:53] you're not subscribing to the LF/LWN bitching then? :p [19:53] Keybuk: has there been bitching? [19:53] Keybuk: from who? about what? [19:54] oh, apparently RedHat would never sign the copyright assignment [19:54] and are forking Upstart [19:54] or was that SuSE forking Upstart? [19:54] Keybuk: ...this is not true [19:54] and the Linux Foundation are throwing Canonical out for having it [19:54] you know how it is [19:55] Keybuk: granted, we hate you for your stupid copyright assignment, but when we have to play ball... [19:55] Forking Upstart? That’s sad. [19:55] ion: you've met Lennart right? :p [19:55] :-D [19:56] I may fork pulseaudio, just to watch it languish and die [19:56] Not actually, but i do know of him. [19:56] sadmac_home: it's a bit of a long story [19:56] but we've done some detective work [19:57] it seems that SuSE were going to adopt Upstart [19:57] and their lawyers threw a tizzy about the copyright assignment [19:57] (ironic, since it was pretty much based on their Mono one ) [19:57] Hah [19:57] Greg KH then led an anti-Canonical tirade over beers in the pub [19:57] various RH people were there, including Lennart [19:57] and various SuSE people [19:57] Keybuk, but what kind of results would be expected by having an "or (starting rc RUNLEVEL[2345])"? does that mean that the that starting gdm etc would be ignored? [19:57] which led to the LF Technical Advisory Board officially deciding it was a problem [19:58] superm1: it means that the first one to start wins [19:58] (Oh, wait, i *have* met him briefly on IRC.) [19:58] keybuk: When will 0.10 be out, btw? ;-) [19:59] ion: err when I start it + some time [19:59] got distracted with all those mountall issues [19:59] and then distracted by ureadahead [19:59] Heh [19:59] Keybuk, Hm, so then maybe the ideal situation would be an "or (starting rc RUNLEVEL[5])",? or are all the old rc runlevels still going in parallel with upstart jobs? [19:59] I have that new conf parser written mostly. A bit burnt out now :) [20:00] hence going back to patching 0.6. Need to not work on that for a bit while my brain heals. [20:01] superm1: I'm not raelly following, sorry [20:01] ask me when it's not Sunday evening and I'm not watching DS9, and when I haven't had a few drinks [20:01] alrighty, i'll ping ya some time during the week after i can even make sure that the current proposed solution DTRT in the first place for desktop systems [20:02] are you coming to Dallas? [20:02] Yeah, but not until Tuesday [20:02] what's in Dallas? [20:02] sadmac_home: this UDS [20:02] Keybuk: o wow [20:02] Keybuk: you + dallas = :''( [20:03] why :''( ? [20:04] Keybuk: you're just very un-Texan [20:04] but, but [20:04] I'm going to get me a cowboy! [20:05] Keybuk: getting you a cowboy isn't legal in Texas :P [20:05] Keybuk: though that really doesn't stop anybody [20:05] sadmac_home: we can run for the border [20:05] in an open-topped american muscle car! [20:06] I've seen the movies! [20:06] Keybuk: you shouldn't let the movies color your views of Americans === robbiew is now known as robbiew_ [20:07] Keybuk: if I'd let deliverance color my views of gay people It'd be a very sad thing :( [20:07] haha [20:07] do you know, I've never seen that film [20:08] Keybuk: I was young, so I saw everything leading up to and following the famous scene. [20:08] Keybuk: I think "squeal like a pig" paints me a pretty good image of the missing bit though. [20:09] FYI - Deliverance wasn't in Texas...not even the same region of the US [20:09] surely that colours your view of Rednecks? :p [20:09] robbiew_: did we imply such? [20:09] Keybuk: I'm on a first name basis with too many rednecks for my views to be colored [20:10] Keybuk: too many gays too, though most of them are furries so that in itself probably colors things a bit. [20:10] rednecks are also different from hillbillies...which was deliverance ;) [20:10] I stay away from both if at all possible [20:10] rednecks are good people. [20:12] except when they dip snuff. that's the grossest habbit I've ever seen [20:12] or tie black people to the back of their trucks and drag them until the head comes off ;) [20:13] robbiew_: hey, at least you get the truck :-) [20:13] robbiew_: most of the rednecks I know are fairly racially modernized [20:13] heh..that's nice [20:35] Keybuk: didn't debian formally adopt upstart? Doesn't that make upstart.ubuntu.com out of date? [20:35] sadmac_home: it's Debian [20:35] time from decision to implementation can be measured in ecological scales [20:36] Keybuk: ah [20:36] I think officially the Debian sysvinit maintainer is waiting for the Debian upstart maintainer to implement a few backwards compatibility shims [20:36] mbiebl: how are those going? === sadmac_h1me is now known as sadmac_home