| amichair | apachelogger: ping | 00:05 |
|---|---|---|
| amichair | I think I've made progress with Bug #102792, but being a probabilistic bug, I need a little sanity check - would someone like to run a little test? just a couple lines of modified code... | 00:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 102792 in software-properties "MASTER [apport] software-properties-kde crashed with SIGSEGV in QTreeWidgetItem::setData()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102792 | 00:35 |
| claydoh | JontheEchidna ScottK, or anyone else: yes/no/maybe on kde4.3.3 in jaunty? inquiring forum members want to know :) | 01:19 |
| JontheEchidna | Probably, no. Which is not to say that we would stop anybody from doing it if they wanted to (and/or need guidance) | 01:21 |
| claydoh | JontheEchidna: muchas gracias | 01:25 |
| claydoh | was that a hint? :) | 01:27 |
| * claydoh should try more packging, but simply packaging kmymoney was a major brain drain for me | 01:30 | |
| JontheEchidna | well, not for you, but for forum goers. | 01:30 |
| claydoh | :) | 01:31 |
| claydoh | timelord is spurning some good converstaions there | 01:31 |
| JontheEchidna | amichair: I can test | 01:31 |
| neverendingo | claydoh: you are the forum maintainer? | 01:33 |
| Lex79 | JontheEchidna: help :P Should "docs" go to usr/share/doc/kde/HTML or to kde4/HTML ? in our base-workspace package they go to kde, but in Debian they go to kde4/HTML | 01:43 |
| JontheEchidna | kde/HTML | 01:43 |
| === Snova_ is now known as Snova | ||
| Lex79 | ok thanks, base-workspace is not funny to merge :( | 01:44 |
| JontheEchidna | heh, yeah. that's a beast | 01:44 |
| maco | jjesse: psst if you use kmail, it can remind you that you forgot your attachment | 03:06 |
| jjesse | maco: d'oh | 03:16 |
| jjesse | haha sorry bout that | 03:16 |
| maco | jjesse: so ... about that attachment? resend | 03:33 |
| maco | ? | 03:33 |
| jjesse | oh sorry will do, heading to bed will resend | 03:40 |
| maco | hehe ok good night | 03:58 |
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| amichair | JontheEchidna: ok, let me know when you're here | 09:24 |
| markey | aargs | 09:33 |
| markey | ShowCock is so freaking buggy, can we please get an update? | 09:33 |
| markey | it screws up all the time | 09:33 |
| markey | the version 0.6.6 | 09:33 |
| markey | (ShowCock = Choqok, obviously) | 09:33 |
| markey | anyone got a PPA for 1.0? | 09:33 |
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| glatzor__ | hello Riddell | 10:02 |
| glatzor__ | Riddell, when will PolicyKit-1 support land in KDE? | 10:02 |
| tsimpson | markey: the PPA for Alpha 2 is on their download page | 10:15 |
| tsimpson | https://launchpad.net/~neversfelde/+archive/experimental | 10:15 |
| ghostcube | ehlo humans :) | 10:18 |
| === nihui_ is now known as nihui | ||
| ghostcube | peoples can i kick the printer applet ? | 10:25 |
| ghostcube | it drives me nuts | 10:26 |
| ghostcube | :) | 10:26 |
| jussio1 | ghostcube: patches welcome! :D | 10:27 |
| ghostcube | jussio1: hehe i know but i cant code so well to patch it i think so | 10:28 |
| ghostcube | :) | 10:28 |
| ghostcube | btw thx for the ppa with libxine + jack support :) | 10:30 |
| Riddell | ghostcube: what's wrong with it? | 10:32 |
| ghostcube | eh ? | 10:32 |
| Riddell | glatzor__: I don't know, I'll ask | 10:32 |
| ghostcube | Riddell: thwe printer applet ? | 10:32 |
| Riddell | yes | 10:32 |
| ghostcube | it just keeps crashing all the time on startup and on shutdown | 10:32 |
| ghostcube | no clean shutdown possible always error messages from crash handler | 10:33 |
| Riddell | mm, that's not good | 10:35 |
| ghostcube | i know ;) | 10:35 |
| Riddell | ghostcube: do you get a backtrace? is it a python issue or a segfault issue? | 10:35 |
| ghostcube | but i need to install the debug packages to get an working bt | 10:35 |
| ghostcube | you typed faster | 10:35 |
| ghostcube | heh | 10:35 |
| Riddell | so you don't get a python backtrace? | 10:36 |
| ghostcube | will do this evening if i got the time too | 10:36 |
| ghostcube | Riddell: no it says bt not useful | 10:36 |
| ghostcube | so i think i need the dbg packages | 10:36 |
| Riddell | hum, so it's some issue in the bindins | 10:37 |
| ghostcube | seems so yes | 10:37 |
| ghostcube | maybe anything broke through th jaunty to karmic update ? | 10:37 |
| Riddell | it should be fine so long as all the packages are up to date | 10:38 |
| ghostcube | sure all updated | 10:39 |
| ghostcube | and all repos opened again to get all in | 10:40 |
| ghostcube | i will check whats the problem | 10:40 |
| apachelogger | amichair: pong | 10:55 |
| amichair | apachelogger: mornin :-) | 10:55 |
| apachelogger | ahoy | 10:55 |
| amichair | amichair: did u get a chance to look at the rest of the fixes? | 10:55 |
| amichair | apachelogger: : did u get a chance to look at the rest of the fixes? | 10:56 |
| apachelogger | unless there are new ones the other stuff should be goods | 10:57 |
| apachelogger | -s | 10:57 |
| apachelogger | amichair: did you resolve the issues I highlighted? | 10:58 |
| amichair | apachelogger: I copied the ppa code exactly from gtk in DialogAdd | 10:59 |
| amichair | apachelogger: I didn't convert to KDialog, coz all the other dialogs need conversion too, so that would best be done together in a separate fix rather than create inconsistency | 11:00 |
| amichair | apachelogger: (and is unrelated to to DialogAdd functionality itself) | 11:01 |
| apachelogger | well, I could cherry pick revisions :P | 11:02 |
| apachelogger | anyhow, if you think it is ready Ill take another look when I get to it | 11:02 |
| amichair | apachelogger: and of course, just skip the revision with the mime types :-) | 11:02 |
| amichair | apachelogger: I think that was it, just skip the mime types rev and include the last one with the ppa fix. and some didn't have changelog (should add according to cherrypick I guess) | 11:06 |
| amichair | apachelogger: also I think I've made progress with Bug #102792, but it's a sneaky one so if u have time to discuss it let me know | 11:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 102792 in software-properties "MASTER [apport] software-properties-kde crashed with SIGSEGV in QTreeWidgetItem::setData()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102792 | 11:07 |
| amichair | that is, I have a fix, but i can't point at the actual bug in QT yet, only it's neighborhood | 11:16 |
| Riddell | glatzor__: 33% done but a must have for fedora's next release so we should be able to assume it'll be done https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/KDE_PolicyKitOneQt | 11:56 |
| Riddell | http://websvn.kde.org/branches/work/polkit-qt-1/ and http://websvn.kde.org/branches/work/PolicyKit-kde/ is the code | 11:56 |
| Riddell | policy kit always seems to hideously complex | 11:57 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: looking at cmake now | 11:59 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: thanks | 11:59 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: do you know what libxmlrpc-core-c3-dev is needed for? | 12:02 |
| Riddell | oh it's just our version of libxmlrpc-c3-dev | 12:03 |
| apachelogger | amichair: just drop a mail to the list | 12:03 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: looks like libxmlrpc-c3-dev is in main now so we can just follow debian and build-dep on that | 12:04 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: I think cmake-gui dummy package isn't needed since debian uses Provides: cmake-gui on cmake-qt-gui | 12:05 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: also "keep maintainer mangling" doesn't need to be specified in the changelog, we know it has to be done for every package | 12:06 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: uploading! | 12:10 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: great, thanks | 12:25 |
| Riddell | "john do u how to get thur level 133 onksokoban microban easy" this guy is persistent | 12:51 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: that's what? | 12:54 |
| amichair | Riddell: sounds like a bomb trigger code or something :-) | 12:55 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: someone who keeps e-mailing me | 12:58 |
| sebas | your ksobokan buddy! | 13:23 |
| JontheEchidna | amichair: hi | 13:27 |
| amichair | JontheEchidna: hola! | 13:27 |
| amichair | JontheEchidna: this very second I posted my findings the bug report, care to take a look? | 13:28 |
| JontheEchidna | sure | 13:28 |
| amichair | bug #102792 | 13:28 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 102792 in software-properties "MASTER [apport] software-properties-kde crashed with SIGSEGV in QTreeWidgetItem::setData()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102792 | 13:28 |
| amichair | it seems to have a whole lot of duplicates and subscribers... why are many of the duplicate reports private? wish I could see if they have some useful info | 13:30 |
| JontheEchidna | Bugs reported semi-automatically via apport are set to private as a "safer rather than sorry" method to prevent sensitive data from showing up in the stacktrace | 13:32 |
| amichair | JontheEchidna: as in security holes? | 13:32 |
| JontheEchidna | It rarely happens though, so that's just triagers not bothering to unprivate them | 13:32 |
| JontheEchidna | amichair: The core dump may contain private info such as passwords the user was using at the time, etc | 13:32 |
| JontheEchidna | since it could be part of the stack at the time of the crash | 13:32 |
| amichair | JontheEchidna: oh right. ok then, I approve :-) | 13:33 |
| JontheEchidna | apport bugs usually never have good info, I've found. People who know how to do good bug reports usually do not use apport because they hate it :P | 13:34 |
| JontheEchidna | anyways, on to testing that fix... | 13:35 |
| amichair | JontheEchidna: I wonder if someone checked the statistics, how many apport reports have been closed and how quick relative to thers | 13:35 |
| amichair | statistics rock! | 13:35 |
| JontheEchidna | So replace the clear() in show_isv_sources with your snippet? | 13:38 |
| JontheEchidna | that... works! | 13:39 |
| amichair | yep, the 1 line with the 2 lines | 13:39 |
| amichair | so u've managed to recreate it, I assume? | 13:39 |
| amichair | JontheEchidna: do it a bunch of time - I'm aiming for statistical significance :-) | 13:40 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, I've been able to recreate this for a long while. Any time I check a checkbox, usually | 13:40 |
| JontheEchidna | It has not crashed 4/4 times whereas it used to crash 1/1 times | 13:41 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: sounds fun | 13:41 |
| amichair | JontheEchidna: I think a sample space of 1000 experiments should suffice. keep going! | 13:42 |
| amichair | :-P | 13:42 |
| JontheEchidna | :P | 13:42 |
| amichair | I'm gonna do some dishes, clean out some real bugs :-) | 13:45 |
| amichair | bbs | 13:45 |
| rgreening | sebas: ping | 13:54 |
| sebas | rgreening: pong | 13:57 |
| rgreening | hey sebas | 13:57 |
| sebas | hey roddie :) | 13:57 |
| rgreening | :) | 13:57 |
| rgreening | akonadi with google contacts.. any hints? The sync seems to lose info in either direction via kmail to google or google to kmail. I onle get 1 tel #, my name and 1 email... | 13:58 |
| rgreening | sebas: ^ | 13:58 |
| sebas | rgreening: don't know, you can ask on #akonadi | 13:59 |
| sebas | many of my nice colleagues there to help :) | 13:59 |
| rgreening | sebas: cool. figured you might have an idea :) | 13:59 |
| rgreening | sebas: hows everything else? | 13:59 |
| sebas | pretty good | 14:00 |
| rgreening | cool | 14:00 |
| sebas | on networkmanager again | 14:00 |
| rgreening | heh | 14:00 |
| sebas | and even then it's still pretty good | 14:00 |
| rgreening | its working pretty solid for me | 14:00 |
| sebas | we've picked up on the plasmoid again | 14:00 |
| sebas | hopefully part of 4.4 | 14:00 |
| amichair | JontheEchidna: well? | 14:02 |
| JontheEchidna | amichair: I've tried about 15 times with success each, followed by now 6 times without the patch for a crash | 14:02 |
| amichair | JontheEchidna: that's a good start | 14:03 |
| amichair | JontheEchidna: btw do u have any particular job here? what stuff do u work on? | 14:03 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, I do several things here and there... bug triage, packaging, coding | 14:04 |
| ghostcube_ | ok you guys wanna lough | 14:05 |
| ghostcube_ | ? | 14:05 |
| === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube | ||
| ghostcube | http://nancib.wordpress.com/2009/11/08/like-getdeb-now-you-can-get-their-packages-from-a-repo/?replytocom=2878#respond | 14:06 |
| ghostcube | second comment | 14:06 |
| ghostcube | i never read anything more unneeded | 14:06 |
| ghostcube | changing end of files tu .ubu | 14:08 |
| JontheEchidna | lol | 14:08 |
| ghostcube | i think some guys didnt get the intention of the deb packages | 14:08 |
| ghostcube | :D | 14:08 |
| amichair | JontheEchidna: do u have any idea what all the cdrom_sources code is about? is there a separate cdrom tree I'm missing? | 14:12 |
| JontheEchidna | cdroms show up in the same view as the other sources. I don't know if it's a separate tree | 14:12 |
| amichair | JontheEchidna: so what about the crashbug? any more tests we need? someone else to look into it? should I prepare the fix? | 14:16 |
| * Riddell moves 4.3.3 into kubuntu-ppa updates, where it should have gone in the first place | 14:16 | |
| JontheEchidna | amichair: I'd say you could go and commit a fix in your branch. It looks fixed to me (tm) | 14:17 |
| amichair | JontheEchidna: oki | 14:17 |
| amichair | man, so much dup code here | 14:19 |
| JontheEchidna | I must say that a lot of our tools are not as well-maintained as they could be | 14:20 |
| apachelogger | hm | 14:20 |
| apachelogger | ghostcube: that was a quick laugh alright :D | 14:21 |
| ghostcube | apachelogger: yeah short joke | 14:21 |
| ghostcube | but it was funny | 14:21 |
| ghostcube | :D | 14:21 |
| Riddell | also moving qt 4.6 beta into experimental PPA | 14:21 |
| ghostcube | oi | 14:21 |
| ghostcube | cool | 14:21 |
| apachelogger | windows 7 shouldnt use exe, some of them exe files that worked perfectly fine on my windows 95, dont do anymoar! | 14:21 |
| apachelogger | just noticed that the other day | 14:22 |
| ghostcube | apachelogger: rofl | 14:22 |
| apachelogger | sad really :( | 14:22 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: maintained? | 14:22 |
| NCommander | ScottK, Riddell, ping. I think my patches to python-qt3 finally will get KDE moving to testing for easy merging/syncing | 14:22 |
| NCommander | ^- apachelogger | 14:22 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: ok, not really maintained at all | 14:22 |
| apachelogger | that also triggered a quick laugh | 14:22 |
| Riddell | neversfelde: what's the status of koffice2? if it's in experimental that means there's more to do? | 14:22 |
| * apachelogger got too much coffee again | 14:22 | |
| jjesse | theres such a thing as too much coffee? | 14:22 |
| apachelogger | NCommander: neato | 14:22 |
| * ghostcube too 5 cans till now | 14:22 | |
| NCommander | jjesse, unfortunately | 14:23 |
| ghostcube | yeah i have .05 liters can for coffee | 14:23 |
| ghostcube | 0.5 | 14:23 |
| amichair | ghostcube: u get coffee in cans? | 14:23 |
| ghostcube | :) | 14:23 |
| apachelogger | all futuristic | 14:23 |
| Riddell | NCommander: what's the problem currently? | 14:23 |
| ghostcube | senseo 5 pads | 14:23 |
| * apachelogger notes that his flatmate is addicited to coffee in cans | 14:24 | |
| ghostcube | das is ne thermoskanne | 14:24 |
| apachelogger | only the canned ones though | 14:24 |
| * ScottK gets coffee in cans, but it needs to be brewed before he can drink it. | 14:24 | |
| NCommander | Riddell, sip4/python-qt4 upgrades broke python-qt3 | 14:24 |
| NCommander | I unofficially adopted that package, and hit it with the cluebat, which should allow sip4 to migrate, and thus unblock part of python-qt4 | 14:25 |
| NCommander | (I'm not sure if python-qt4 will move quite yet, some of its rdepends might hold it in place) | 14:25 |
| * apachelogger hands out cookies | 14:25 | |
| ScottK | Caffeinated? | 14:26 |
| NCommander | Once this current mess is sorted, I'm adding a dh_sip/dh_python-qt4, etc to make sure we properly track ABI breaks in Debian to help sort this | 14:26 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: I need a free cookies sign! | 14:26 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: of course :) | 14:26 |
| ghostcube | thc inated wouldnt be so helpful ScottK :D | 14:26 |
| ghostcube | boah iam typing to much not needed things today and getting nothing done here at office | 14:27 |
| ghostcube | o.o | 14:27 |
| amichair | apachelogger: here's one for u: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BovQyphS8kA | 14:27 |
| apachelogger | while we are at not doing things | 14:27 |
| apachelogger | my super important todo currently holds 12 items of which 4 are due tomorrow | 14:27 |
| apachelogger | yet I am not motivated at all | 14:27 |
| apachelogger | that could turn out bad | 14:27 |
| * ghostcube isnt motivated at all doing balance sheet here for 2008 | 14:28 | |
| ghostcube | -_- | 14:28 |
| apachelogger | C is for getting started with C++ :P | 14:28 |
| ghostcube | if you tell this an c coder he kills you | 14:28 |
| apachelogger | ghostcube: that is so yesterday anyway | 14:28 |
| apachelogger | oh, actually more like last year's | 14:29 |
| ghostcube | :D | 14:29 |
| apachelogger | srsly, I am attending a C course for no other reason than beig able to attend a C++ course next semester :P | 14:29 |
| ScottK | Have to walk before you can run. | 14:30 |
| ghostcube | isnt it so you can learn c++ without c i always thought this | 14:30 |
| apachelogger | amichair: cookie pwns doughnut :D | 14:31 |
| ghostcube | its harder but shouldnt be more complicated | 14:31 |
| * ghostcube thinks about going to subways chicken fajity is calling | 14:31 | |
| apachelogger | well, there are other reasons than c++ being based on c :P | 14:32 |
| ghostcube | :) | 14:32 |
| * Sput thinks people are better off learning C++ without prior knowledge of C | 14:33 | |
| Sput | because otherwise, first thing you have to do is unlearning Cisms anyway | 14:33 |
| ghostcube | Sput: i thought the same | 14:33 |
| Sput | that, or you end up like the average MS programmer. | 14:33 |
| Sput | (and API designer) | 14:33 |
| apachelogger | poor api designers :( | 14:34 |
| ghostcube | c++ declares and iterates all stuff different or | 14:34 |
| * txwikinger thinks people are better learning any proper language without prior knowledge of any form of BASIC in particular VBA | 14:34 | |
| ghostcube | :D | 14:34 |
| apachelogger | VBA pwns all them over fancy languages | 14:34 |
| apachelogger | other even | 14:34 |
| apachelogger | there ... too much coffeee | 14:34 |
| ghostcube | i need another one oo | 14:34 |
| txwikinger | koffein addict! | 14:34 |
| ghostcube | i need coffein to get thc out of the way | 14:35 |
| ghostcube | :D | 14:35 |
| * amichair wants to see Scala gain pace... finally a new language done right! | 14:35 | |
| * apachelogger grabs pen and starts drawing uml diagrams on the windows due to lack of whiteboard | 14:36 | |
| ghostcube | maybe we should all bring to one speach c-buntu | 14:36 |
| ghostcube | :) | 14:36 |
| apachelogger | kbasic! | 14:37 |
| ghostcube | yeah | 14:37 |
| apachelogger | amichair: how often people have been told that | 14:38 |
| apachelogger | all false prophets, err prophetic languages | 14:38 |
| ghostcube | isnt c or c++ still one of the fastest languages to code in | 14:38 |
| ghostcube | cause its no interpreter | 14:38 |
| ghostcube | :) | 14:38 |
| apachelogger | my mother would be faster at reading C and executing it than any given interpreter language could do the job :P | 14:39 |
| amichair | ghostcube: not really, the big ones have jit compilers which are about the same (sometimes better, sometimes worse) than compiled C/C++ | 14:39 |
| ghostcube | hmm ok | 14:39 |
| ghostcube | i only know that python had reverted to c++ cause the python modules inside itself was to slow | 14:40 |
| ghostcube | :D | 14:40 |
| ghostcube | has been * | 14:40 |
| ScottK | ghostcube: I think Python is C, not C++ | 14:40 |
| ghostcube | ups sorry | 14:40 |
| amichair | ghostcube: Jython runs on the JVM, so it probably inherits a bunch of the quickiness | 14:41 |
| ScottK | And that's a standard Python development paradigm. Develop in Python and then optimize bottlenecks into C. | 14:41 |
| ghostcube | ScottK: ah ok havent known this | 14:41 |
| apachelogger | which then reads: develop in c | 14:41 |
| * ScottK thought Java and slow were synonyms. | 14:41 | |
| MelisU | I like the Vala approach, I such a language for Qt would be cool. Without a lot of Cpp boilerplate and cruft. | 14:41 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: haha, dont get me started on java :D | 14:41 |
| amichair | ScottK: that's true, circa 1995 :-) | 14:41 |
| ghostcube | i have tried to not use java | 14:42 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Premature optimization is the root of all evil. | 14:42 |
| ghostcube | so i used python cause i didnt wanted to start the troll | 14:42 |
| ScottK | amichair: For me it seems true each time I use a Java app. | 14:42 |
| apachelogger | no optimization is the root of apachelogger starting a discussion about how inefficient software uses the darn resources these days | 14:42 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Agreed. | 14:42 |
| ghostcube | ok maybe we all should now take us an g5 macosx 10.6 and try java apps | 14:42 |
| ghostcube | then we will know why java and slow are calle the same | 14:43 |
| ghostcube | :) | 14:43 |
| apachelogger | ah bad example | 14:43 |
| apachelogger | everyone knows that java only works on windows | 14:43 |
| ghostcube | hehe | 14:43 |
| ghostcube | the one i hate most at the moment is .net | 14:44 |
| apachelogger | vb.net? | 14:44 |
| apachelogger | or asp.net? | 14:44 |
| apachelogger | or whatever they call them | 14:44 |
| ghostcube | i think so my programm here for tax is made in .net 3.5 | 14:44 |
| ghostcube | :| | 14:44 |
| apachelogger | hm, right | 14:45 |
| ghostcube | i asked if they port it to mono | 14:45 |
| ghostcube | and they told me nah no way | 14:45 |
| ghostcube | :D | 14:45 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: I must ask you to revoke the statement about premature optimization | 14:45 |
| apachelogger | vb.net is the root of all evil | 14:45 |
| ghostcube | yeah | 14:45 |
| ghostcube | fucll ack | 14:45 |
| ghostcube | *-c | 14:45 |
| apachelogger | way too easy to create crappy code | 14:45 |
| apachelogger | kinda like python | 14:45 |
| apachelogger | just worse | 14:45 |
| ghostcube | very fast in coding inconsitent apps | 14:46 |
| ghostcube | i asked ADDISON if they dont do QA cause in kubuntu the QA is much better and no need to pay for | 14:46 |
| ghostcube | a day later the main programmer called me if i want to do beta testing | 14:46 |
| ghostcube | :D | 14:46 |
| apachelogger | lulz | 14:46 |
| apachelogger | poor programmer probably has to spend all his day hunting down issues | 14:47 |
| apachelogger | like I have to do with python :P | 14:47 |
| ScottK | Actually despite the slowness, I like the cross-platformness of Java. I can participate in stuff using http://www.webex.com/ even though I'm pretty sure they don't know how to spell Linux. | 14:47 |
| apachelogger | I am seeing similarities here | 14:47 |
| ghostcube | yeah but they had an nice c++ app aöll wortking fine till office 2007 cames out | 14:47 |
| ScottK | ghostcube: What's Addison? | 14:47 |
| ghostcube | ScottK: ehm software for Taxation belance sheets and so on | 14:48 |
| ghostcube | tex cunsultant things | 14:48 |
| ScottK | Ah. I see | 14:48 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: the cross platformness ends when you starts using non-standard stuff or stuff that is only part of suns java | 14:48 |
| amichair | http://langpop.com/ | 14:48 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Certainly. All I know is it worked. | 14:48 |
| ghostcube | ScottK: http://www.addison.de/ | 14:49 |
| txwikinger | I sometimes don't get it.. they start gnome because they have issues with the qt licences.. and then they do mono | 14:49 |
| ghostcube | damn only german | 14:49 |
| ScottK | I recall reading that Google typically advertises for both Java and Python experience when they hire Java coders because their experience is people that know Python are better programmers. | 14:49 |
| amichair | if I hadn't done most of my coding in java, I'd never be able to migrate to kubuntu... I'd be locked in to MSVC or .NET | 14:49 |
| * txwikinger can read German ;) | 14:49 | |
| ghostcube | txwikinger: ;) | 14:50 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: the supervisor of my "project efficiency" project used to use a java based tool for recording his lectures ... 5 linux users failed to make it work on any recent distro | 14:50 |
| ghostcube | i think most of you know DATEV maybe | 14:50 |
| apachelogger | depends on like 5 external modules | 14:50 |
| ghostcube | ADDISON is the better opposite | 14:50 |
| apachelogger | amongst them is JMF | 14:50 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: I believe you. | 14:50 |
| apachelogger | an JMF is an abomination of live | 14:50 |
| txwikinger | DATEV is in banking api? | 14:51 |
| txwikinger | as | 14:51 |
| amichair | apachelogger: bad code can be written in any language. hell, there's a whole lot of code out there that doesn't work on *any* platform :-) | 14:51 |
| ghostcube | txwikinger: yeah | 14:51 |
| * apachelogger needs to stop writing typos and get some work down | 14:51 | |
| * txwikinger once develop something for DATEV | 14:51 | |
| txwikinger | +ed | 14:51 |
| ghostcube | could be yes :) the still do c c++ java and mysql as database | 14:51 |
| apachelogger | amichair: the code is actually quite good, the famework sucks in that particular example | 14:51 |
| ghostcube | txwikinger: addison uses kerberos and .net | 14:52 |
| ghostcube | brech | 14:52 |
| ghostcube | its good but so little not needed bugs driving you crazy cause of the .net shi | 14:52 |
| ghostcube | workflow is not good | 14:52 |
| Riddell | I wonder if qt3 can go into universe in lucid http://paste.ubuntu.com/314143/ | 14:56 |
| Riddell | scribus, qcad and koffice seem to be necessary rdepends and they could be dropped or upgraded to qt 4 | 14:57 |
| Riddell | which would leave lsb-desktop | 14:57 |
| JontheEchidna | I wonder if the scribus team thinks the version in scribus-ng is suitable for mainstream use yet | 14:57 |
| JontheEchidna | according to their website, yes! | 14:59 |
| Riddell | I wonder why qcad is in main at all | 15:00 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: in bug 479142 the user obviously upgraded his lust Oo | 15:01 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 479142 in kdebase-workspace "I've messed up all my kde-system after my lust upgrade" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/479142 | 15:01 |
| JontheEchidna | So then if we convince Debian to upgrade scribus 5o 1.3.5 and move koffice -> kde4 we'd be all set | 15:01 |
| JontheEchidna | s/5o/to | 15:01 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: except that qt 3 is still part of lsb and I presume ubuntu wants lsb in main | 15:02 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, hmm | 15:02 |
| apachelogger | SCRIBUS CAN NOT GO QT 4 | 15:02 |
| apachelogger | upstream will beat us up, and do awful things | 15:02 |
| Sput | ah, you mean like javaaargh | 15:03 |
| apachelogger | also, scribus-ng is not anywhere as stable as stable, which is really why it is not stable yet | 15:03 |
| apachelogger | so stop even thinking about that | 15:03 |
| JontheEchidna | 1.3.5.1 is now advertised as their stable release on their website | 15:03 |
| Sput | and I wasn't srolled down :( | 15:03 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, nevermind | 15:03 |
| apachelogger | Sput: so it seems :P | 15:03 |
| JontheEchidna | shoot me | 15:03 |
| JontheEchidna | anyways, no need to keep it in main, right? | 15:03 |
| apachelogger | Oo | 15:04 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: what makes you think that? | 15:04 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, edubuntu needs it | 15:04 |
| micmord | JontheEchidna: lust==last He speak english like me :-) | 15:04 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, makes sense | 15:05 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: we could pull a mandravia and remove qt3 entirely :P [/sarcasm] | 15:06 |
| JontheEchidna | you know if we even discussed doing that we'd be branded the worst of linux distros for forever | 15:06 |
| apachelogger | we could do a lotta things :P | 15:06 |
| Riddell | lsb seems to be dead, it's been in beta since 2006 as far as I can tell | 15:07 |
| apachelogger | sounds like poke the upstream | 15:10 |
| apachelogger | like poke the mole :D | 15:10 |
| Sput | Gentoo is just in the process of pruning KDE3 and Qt3 from the official repository :) we'll keep it in a user-maintained "PPA" until users lose interest | 15:12 |
| Sput | worst thing are open security bugs in 3.5.10 that nobody seems to be interested in fixing anymore... | 15:12 |
| * ScottK thinks ours are fixed. | 15:13 | |
| Sput | yeah, we don't have the manpower :/ | 15:13 |
| Sput | if upstream isn't interested anymore, we're getting rid of the software | 15:13 |
| Sput | masked two days ago, imagine what s***storm that caused :) | 15:14 |
| ScottK | Our manpower for that was Riddell. | 15:14 |
| Sput | well, he seems to have a clone army | 15:14 |
| * Sput fondly remembers the time when Gentoo deprecated xmms | 15:16 | |
| Sput | users can be so conservative :) | 15:16 |
| amichair | what's the nicest py way of replacing a list's contents with another list's contents? | 15:17 |
| Riddell | lists = newcontents | 15:19 |
| ScottK | amichair: What's wrong with listfoo = listbar? | 15:19 |
| amichair | that replaces the list, not it's contents | 15:19 |
| ScottK | OK, what's the difference? | 15:19 |
| amichair | i.e. a list passed to a method, I want to fill it up. in the former, the local reference is replaced, and the caller doesn't see it. in the latter, the original instance is updated. I think... | 15:20 |
| amichair | does that make sense? | 15:23 |
| amichair | there is a difference between overwriting the reference and overwriting the value | 15:25 |
| amichair | ScottK: my q is how to do it py? | 15:36 |
| amichair | in py | 15:37 |
| ScottK | I'm not sure there's a difference in this case, but there may be. I'd need to look some stuff up. | 15:37 |
| ScottK | Did you already try assignment and it didn't work? | 15:37 |
| amichair | yep | 15:38 |
| apachelogger | amichair: you mean like updating the content? | 15:38 |
| amichair | apachelogger: yep | 15:38 |
| apachelogger | e.g. pointer fun | 15:38 |
| apachelogger | amichair: you don't want to do that in python ... creates overhead (at least codewise) http://python.org/doc/2.5.2/lib/ctypes-pointers.html | 15:38 |
| amichair | apachelogger: nono, don't want anything like that | 15:39 |
| amichair | I think the answer is simpler than it sounds, I just don't know it | 15:40 |
| amichair | if a method gets a list, it can append to it | 15:40 |
| \sh | amichair, because it makes a copy of the list | 15:40 |
| amichair | how, equivalently, can it erase its contents and put in something else, which happens to be all the elements of a different list? | 15:40 |
| apachelogger | yeah, the difference between call by value and call by reference | 15:40 |
| apachelogger | I dont think latter is considered good pratcise in python | 15:41 |
| apachelogger | might be wrong though | 15:41 |
| apachelogger | anyhow | 15:41 |
| apachelogger | ->dinner | 15:41 |
| amichair | apachelogger: so python discourages utility methods, or any methods, that modify lists?? that doesn't sound reasonable | 15:41 |
| amichair | maybe just a simple combination of clear() and appendAll() (which don't exist)? | 15:42 |
| ScottK | amichair: Have a look at help(list) in a Python shell | 15:42 |
| \sh | amichair, http://mail.python.org/pipermail/tutor/2002-November/018828.html | 15:42 |
| \sh | amichair, last part is about lists | 15:43 |
| amichair | \sh: thanks, but I still can't find how to empty a list or replace its contents, other than a loop which pops elements one by one and then adds new ones one by one... ugly and inefficient. | 15:45 |
| amichair | anyway, I'll keep looking... | 15:45 |
| \sh | if you want the content of list A in list B, just B=A .. if you need only a couple of values from list A replace with values of list B, loop A and replace B[index A] or whatevetr | 15:45 |
| \sh | or of you want the content of list A appended to list B you need to loop as well and B.append(A[index]) | 15:46 |
| amichair | \sh: that was the original suggestion, but it appears that B=A assigns the reference, not the value | 15:46 |
| amichair | which means someone else holding the same original reference will not see the change | 15:47 |
| \sh | amichair, oh well...C talking: char *a = "hello"; char *b; b=a ; printf("%c",b[1]); should be "e"...hopefully I'm correct | 15:48 |
| amichair | \sh: that looks correct, but the problem is how to pass 'a' to a method, and have the method change "hello" to "yello", and have the pointer outside the method see the change (in python) | 15:50 |
| \sh | amichair, the last part of that mail I posted explains what happens. | 15:51 |
| \sh | amichair, lists are mutable object, and can be changed inside a method, and the change is visible to the everybody else | 15:51 |
| amichair | \sh: it's close, but shows only access to individual elements. so it can be done, but with ugly and inefficient loops :-( | 15:52 |
| amichair | I'd expect clearing a list instance to be really basic, as it is in other languages | 15:53 |
| amichair | but apparently python is wierd :-) | 15:53 |
| \sh | amichair, http://paste.ubuntu.com/314179/ <- this is what the mail said | 15:53 |
| amichair | \sh: I don't see this in the link above. but still it modifies only one element | 15:56 |
| \sh | empting a list is just as simple: del listA[:] <- which deletes the elements from 0 to end | 15:56 |
| amichair | \sh: ah! that's getting closer | 15:56 |
| amichair | how strange that it's not a list method! | 15:57 |
| amichair | so I can do that, and then maybe append an entire other list, or use slicing (if i understood correctly) | 15:57 |
| amichair | \sh: that's a tad ugly, but should work well. thanks! | 15:58 |
| \sh | amichair, well...check this out: http://paste.ubuntu.com/314180/ <- | 15:59 |
| \sh | then you can see the diff between call by ref and call by value ;) x=5 \n y=6 \n listB=[x,y] \n del x \n listB still has [5,6] , but a(listB) where a deletes element 1 from list (del listA[1]) gives print listB ==> [5] only one element left | 16:01 |
| amichair | yep, del should do the job (clear the value on the original reference) | 16:02 |
| \sh | amichair, yes | 16:05 |
| amichair | \sh: thanks | 16:05 |
| \sh | amichair, you need to see the differences between "immutable" and "mutable" python types | 16:06 |
| \sh | amichair, and you need to be careful: del listB e.g removes the complete object from the python view ;) listB doesn't exists anymore, therefore you can't access the values anymore, but somehow they are still in your memory, and will be GBed in time ;) the fun part starts if you push objects into the list ;) | 16:07 |
| \sh | s/GB/GC/ | 16:07 |
| apachelogger | del is fun indeed :) | 16:08 |
| amichair | \sh: sure, I intended to use del listA[:], which does what we think it does :-) | 16:08 |
| * apachelogger was puzzled by how python does not want to do what apachelogger told it to :P | 16:08 | |
| amichair | lol | 16:09 |
| amichair | 4 days with python, and I can tell that's it's general attitude :-) | 16:09 |
| apachelogger | yup | 16:11 |
| * apachelogger never liked snakes anyway | 16:12 | |
| amichair | apachelogger: what do u like? other than coffee? | 16:12 |
| \sh | amichair, http://paste.ubuntu.com/314190/ <- this is really fun ;) | 16:12 |
| apachelogger | http://fractalbox.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/python_1.jpg | 16:12 |
| apachelogger | I dont like that | 16:13 |
| amichair | heh, funny how that came out... from a java dev | 16:13 |
| apachelogger | fatnugly beast | 16:13 |
| * ghostcube loves snakes | 16:13 | |
| amichair | (I was actually referring to coffee :-) ) | 16:13 |
| apachelogger | oh dear amichair got \sh started on a pycoderun | 16:13 |
| apachelogger | oh my | 16:14 |
| * apachelogger hides before he gets eaten by one of them python monsters | 16:14 | |
| * amichair stares at the ceiling as he slowly backs away towards the door, ready for a sprint | 16:15 | |
| apachelogger | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IckkZVwShd4 | 16:21 |
| apachelogger | python vs gator | 16:21 |
| amichair | holy crap | 16:23 |
| amichair | one last bugfix, and I ain't touching python no more | 16:23 |
| neversfelde | Riddell: no, it is in staging and upgrades from the official koffice and koffice-kde4 are working fine for me and others. Unfortunately I cannot test upgrades from beta2 because the packages got somehow deleted. | 16:23 |
| Riddell | neversfelde: so I should test it and move it to beta backports if it works and remove the copy from experimental | 16:24 |
| neversfelde | Riddell: yes, do you have beta2 installed? | 16:25 |
| apachelogger | lol | 16:25 |
| apachelogger | amichair: if you are lucky enough if it will explode :D | 16:25 |
| amichair | apachelogger: I think that's what caused that crash bug | 16:27 |
| amichair | apachelogger: it must have tried to eat too many sources.lists | 16:27 |
| apachelogger | hah, greedy thing | 16:28 |
| Riddell | neversfelde: no, we'll just have to hope | 16:28 |
| * apachelogger recommends watching "Python swallows Deer" on youtube for more information about advanced python programming :P | 16:28 | |
| apachelogger | Riddell: hope? | 16:28 |
| * apachelogger does not consider hope good enough | 16:29 | |
| Riddell | apachelogger: know anyone with koffice beta 2 installed? | 16:29 |
| apachelogger | 2.1 beta2? | 16:29 |
| Riddell | yes | 16:30 |
| apachelogger | I suppose that can be installed? | 16:30 |
| Riddell | how? the packages have vanished | 16:30 |
| ScottK | Do PPA packages live on in the librarian like archive ones do? | 16:31 |
| apachelogger | yes they do | 16:31 |
| apachelogger | and how did they vanish anyway? | 16:31 |
| Riddell | dunno, it's a mystery | 16:31 |
| JontheEchidna | I think I have beta2 installed | 16:32 |
| JontheEchidna | kword-kde4: | 16:32 |
| JontheEchidna | Installed: 1:2.0.82-0ubuntu1~ppa3 | 16:32 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: groovy, please upgrade to koffice from experimental | 16:32 |
| apachelogger | Deleted on 2009-10-29 by Alessandro Ghersi | 16:32 |
| JontheEchidna | sure thing | 16:33 |
| * apachelogger pokes Lex79 in the eye :P | 16:33 | |
| neversfelde | JontheEchidna: can you test the upgrade to rc1, I expect some problems there | 16:33 |
| neversfelde | JontheEchidna: better from staging | 16:33 |
| Riddell | right, staging | 16:33 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: don't be mean to Lex79! | 16:33 |
| apachelogger | he was mean to koffice :P | 16:33 |
| apachelogger | anyhow | 16:34 |
| apachelogger | cookies for everyone! | 16:34 |
| * JontheEchidna adds staging to his now-uncrashy software-properties-kde | 16:34 | |
| amichair | JontheEchidna, apachelogger: speaking of which, I just pushed the fix. have fun! | 16:35 |
| * apachelogger is going out for socializing | 16:35 | |
| apachelogger | facebook doesnt cut it | 16:35 |
| amichair | JontheEchidna: what does staging mean? | 16:36 |
| JontheEchidna | this PPA right here: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging/ | 16:37 |
| amichair | ah | 16:38 |
| amichair | well, that was a tough buffer. maybe I'll find me a cosmetic bug to fix now :-) | 16:38 |
| amichair | buffer/bugger/ | 16:38 |
| amichair | say, is there gonna be a bugfix marathon or something? tidy things up before the LTS? | 16:39 |
| Riddell | the whole cycle should be more focused on bug fixing | 16:40 |
| neversfelde | is someone already working on koffice for lucid? | 16:41 |
| Riddell | nope | 16:42 |
| JontheEchidna | I've not touched koffice | 16:42 |
| Riddell | neversfelde: what needs doing that isn't already in that karmic rc package? merging with debian? | 16:42 |
| neversfelde | Riddell: aren't we replacing koffice 1.6 with it? | 16:43 |
| Riddell | neversfelde: yes, so -kde4 endings should go | 16:45 |
| neversfelde | Riddell: and add transitional packages for -kde4? | 16:45 |
| Riddell | can do | 16:45 |
| JontheEchidna | http://paste.ubuntu.com/314211/ | 16:45 |
| JontheEchidna | going for upgrading krita next | 16:46 |
| Riddell | humbug | 16:46 |
| JontheEchidna | krita went ok here, but I'd still take one more look at the debdiff since I already had --force-overwritten the koffice-data-kde4 package | 16:49 |
| neversfelde | I made some mistakes when updating the isntall files for beta1, thats the reason why I merged from debian. I have to leave for a few hours, but can fix this later, if nobody else can do it now. | 16:50 |
| amichair | how dows QA working in kubuntu? the wiki page seems to be a placeholder (https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/QA) | 17:38 |
| Riddell | "hopefully people test stuff and complain loud enough that we hear when it breaks" | 17:43 |
| ScottK | That and Riddell and davmor2 test a bazillion ISOs each. | 17:45 |
| amichair | oh. | 17:45 |
| ScottK | I tried to do some of the netbook ones in the last cycle, but it's mostly them. | 17:46 |
| amichair | same for the self-developed components? | 17:48 |
| Riddell | amichair: yes | 17:51 |
| === dendro-a` is now known as dendro-afk | ||
| ghostcube | hi thats the crash file i can save before logoff . i just see the crash report at logout http://pastie.org/690493 | 17:59 |
| ghostcube | i think its not so helpful | 17:59 |
| ghostcube | oh for printer applet this is | 18:01 |
| ghostcube | :) | 18:01 |
| Riddell | it looks a bit like the crash caused by sip 4.9 | 18:02 |
| dpm | Riddell, could you make sure https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-lucid-translations gets scheduled when you've got time? I'm about to request the old community session to be unscheduled and I want to make sure we do have a session :) | 18:02 |
| Riddell | ghostcube: apt-cache policy python-sip4 | 18:02 |
| Riddell | dpm: yes I'll do the scheduling tomorrow morning, I believe I have elite scheduling powers | 18:03 |
| dpm | Riddell, ok, thanks :) | 18:03 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna, apachelogger: do you guys want to be around during that? if so do you have a preferred time? | 18:03 |
| ghostcube | Riddell: youst a moment doing apt-get update | 18:04 |
| ghostcube | btw is it "safe" to use 4.6 from ppa ` | 18:04 |
| ghostcube | its in dist-upgrade | 18:04 |
| ghostcube | Riddell: 4.9.1-snapshot-20091015-0ubuntu1 | 18:05 |
| ScottK | ghostcube: It's the experimental PPA. Of course not. | 18:05 |
| Riddell | nothing in experimental is safe | 18:05 |
| ghostcube | heh thats why i did it in "" | 18:05 |
| ghostcube | whats expected to be broken after :D | 18:05 |
| Riddell | I expect it works yes | 18:05 |
| ghostcube | is this sip4 to old ? | 18:06 |
| ghostcube | ah btw i found out why firefox 3.5.6 isnt using any apturl links in firefox like getdeb or so | 18:08 |
| Riddell | ghostcube: that's the right version of sip4 | 18:08 |
| ghostcube | Riddell: hmm ok any other things i should try | 18:09 |
| ghostcube | this startet after jaunty >> karmic | 18:09 |
| ghostcube | nah my webcam bug is back | 18:19 |
| ghostcube | ;_( | 18:19 |
| ghostcube | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/466935 | 18:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 466935 in linux "No Video Output in Karmic with ID 046d:09a1 Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Communicate MP/S5500" [Undecided,Fix released] | 18:20 |
| ghostcube | anyone may have the same strange behaviours | 18:20 |
| ghostcube | it stoped at update it startet again working with kernel update yesterday | 18:21 |
| ghostcube | and stopped again 10 minutes ago after reboot | 18:21 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: on the 10th, the earliest I could do is 1400 UTC | 18:38 |
| === maco_ is now known as maco | ||
| amichair | Quintasan|Szel: sure, now what? | 19:49 |
| Quintasan|Szel | amichair: works for you? | 19:49 |
| Quintasan|Szel | srsly, I always has no major problems but tons of minor ones, in mine case, plasma crashes | 19:50 |
| amichair | u mean on the background? | 19:50 |
| amichair | right-click, add widget? works | 19:50 |
| Quintasan|Szel | nope | 19:50 |
| amichair | Quintasan|Szel: tell me what to do, I'll try | 19:51 |
| Quintasan|Szel | amichair: this will change your activities settings (if any) | 19:51 |
| amichair | that's the advantage of using a vm :-) | 19:51 |
| amichair | (I don't care :-) ) | 19:52 |
| Quintasan|Szel | amichair: zoom out -> configure Plasma -> check both options -> zoom in, add Show Dashboard widget | 19:52 |
| Quintasan|Szel | amichair: click it, the try adding microblogging to dashboard | 19:53 |
| amichair | Quintasan|Szel: hmmm... when I click the 'show widget dashboard' icon, nothing happens | 19:54 |
| Quintasan|Szel | hmm | 19:55 |
| Quintasan|Szel | did you check Use separate dashboard in Plasma options? | 19:55 |
| amichair | yep, both checkboxes | 19:56 |
| amichair | does it matter if it's a livecd? | 19:56 |
| Quintasan|Szel | dunno, at least it crashes in mine case | 19:57 |
| amichair | btw, I do highly recommend using a vm (I use virtualbox) for recreating issues and checking - u get to check different versions and configurations, can't mess up anything, and fully reproducible | 19:58 |
| amichair | u can always go back to a known state (snapshot) | 19:58 |
| Quintasan|Szel | I know that however my machine has no support for virtualisation and everything is slooow as slowpoke | 19:59 |
| Quintasan|Szel | I will have a new machine with i5 tomorrow or on thursday | 20:00 |
| amichair | I used to use virtualbox on a p4, and it was pretty decent | 20:00 |
| amichair | Quintasan|Szel: cool! | 20:00 |
| Quintasan|Szel | well, I'm happy, using same ol' Athlon 64 is PITA | 20:01 |
| amichair | hmm the zoom in icons on one of the desktops are missing, and are shown only when the mouse moves over them, looks like a painting bug | 20:01 |
| Quintasan|Szel | whole ZUI is slow for me, guess thats my komputer for you :P | 20:02 |
| Quintasan|Szel | even Komputer | 20:02 |
| amichair | and it's always zooming into the same one, can't get back to the original (doesn't matter on which zoom button I click) | 20:03 |
| amichair | messed up | 20:03 |
| amichair | oh well | 20:05 |
| === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates | ||
| neversfelde | Riddell: koffice fixed, I move it to the backports beta ppa, ok? | 20:35 |
| === Czessi_ is now known as Czessi | ||
| Riddell | neversfelde: yes please | 21:25 |
| neversfelde | Riddell: already done | 21:25 |
| Riddell | great | 21:26 |
| amik | apachelogger: found a gpg file example: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/133937/comments/9. if he made the mistake, anyone can :-) | 21:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 133937 in software-properties "software-properties-kde crashed with error " 'utf8' codec can't decode bytes in position 27-28"" [Medium,Confirmed] | 21:26 |
| === amik is now known as amichair | ||
| amichair | apachelogger: or better yet, http://ppa.launchpad.net/apachelogger/ubuntu/dists/karmic/Release.gpg. so *.gpg should definitely be included... | 22:21 |
| === vorian changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu: we are hot | No Todo link! Take a load off! (if you want to take a load off, do not continue reading) | 9.10 Released, Woo! \o/ | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/LucidKDEMerges | Timelord is GO! Rewrite https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HelpingKubuntu to reflect this | ||
| ghostcube | question who codet apturl | 22:35 |
| ghostcube | :) | 22:35 |
| ScottK | vorian: Please don't mark yourself essential for a spec when you aren't going to be at UDS (unless something changed, in which case, cool). It makes it impossible to schedule. | 22:41 |
| ghostcube | can anyone explain how apturl need to be feeded with links | 22:42 |
| ghostcube | ?? | 22:42 |
| ghostcube | we trying to get this into midori | 22:42 |
| vorian | ScottK: whoopsie | 22:42 |
| Tscheesy | ghostcube: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/apturl and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptURL | 22:53 |
| ghostcube | thx | 22:54 |
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