[00:05] apachelogger: ping [00:35] I think I've made progress with Bug #102792, but being a probabilistic bug, I need a little sanity check - would someone like to run a little test? just a couple lines of modified code... [00:35] Launchpad bug 102792 in software-properties "MASTER [apport] software-properties-kde crashed with SIGSEGV in QTreeWidgetItem::setData()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102792 [01:19] JontheEchidna ScottK, or anyone else: yes/no/maybe on kde4.3.3 in jaunty? inquiring forum members want to know :) [01:21] Probably, no. Which is not to say that we would stop anybody from doing it if they wanted to (and/or need guidance) [01:25] JontheEchidna: muchas gracias [01:27] was that a hint? :) [01:30] * claydoh should try more packging, but simply packaging kmymoney was a major brain drain for me [01:30] well, not for you, but for forum goers. [01:31] :) [01:31] timelord is spurning some good converstaions there [01:31] amichair: I can test [01:33] claydoh: you are the forum maintainer? [01:43] JontheEchidna: help :P Should "docs" go to usr/share/doc/kde/HTML or to kde4/HTML ? in our base-workspace package they go to kde, but in Debian they go to kde4/HTML [01:43] kde/HTML === Snova_ is now known as Snova [01:44] ok thanks, base-workspace is not funny to merge :( [01:44] heh, yeah. that's a beast [03:06] jjesse: psst if you use kmail, it can remind you that you forgot your attachment [03:16] maco: d'oh [03:16] haha sorry bout that [03:33] jjesse: so ... about that attachment? resend [03:33] ? [03:40] oh sorry will do, heading to bed will resend [03:58] hehe ok good night === hunger is now known as Guest99349 [09:24] JontheEchidna: ok, let me know when you're here [09:33] aargs [09:33] ShowCock is so freaking buggy, can we please get an update? [09:33] it screws up all the time [09:33] the version 0.6.6 [09:33] (ShowCock = Choqok, obviously) [09:33] anyone got a PPA for 1.0? === nihui_ is now known as nihui [10:02] hello Riddell [10:02] Riddell, when will PolicyKit-1 support land in KDE? [10:15] markey: the PPA for Alpha 2 is on their download page [10:15] https://launchpad.net/~neversfelde/+archive/experimental [10:18] ehlo humans :) === nihui_ is now known as nihui [10:25] peoples can i kick the printer applet ? [10:26] it drives me nuts [10:26] :) [10:27] ghostcube: patches welcome! :D [10:28] jussio1: hehe i know but i cant code so well to patch it i think so [10:28] :) [10:30] btw thx for the ppa with libxine + jack support :) [10:32] ghostcube: what's wrong with it? [10:32] eh ? [10:32] glatzor__: I don't know, I'll ask [10:32] Riddell: thwe printer applet ? [10:32] yes [10:32] it just keeps crashing all the time on startup and on shutdown [10:33] no clean shutdown possible always error messages from crash handler [10:35] mm, that's not good [10:35] i know ;) [10:35] ghostcube: do you get a backtrace? is it a python issue or a segfault issue? [10:35] but i need to install the debug packages to get an working bt [10:35] you typed faster [10:35] heh [10:36] so you don't get a python backtrace? [10:36] will do this evening if i got the time too [10:36] Riddell: no it says bt not useful [10:36] so i think i need the dbg packages [10:37] hum, so it's some issue in the bindins [10:37] seems so yes [10:37] maybe anything broke through th jaunty to karmic update ? [10:38] it should be fine so long as all the packages are up to date [10:39] sure all updated [10:40] and all repos opened again to get all in [10:40] i will check whats the problem [10:55] amichair: pong [10:55] apachelogger: mornin :-) [10:55] ahoy [10:55] amichair: did u get a chance to look at the rest of the fixes? [10:56] apachelogger: : did u get a chance to look at the rest of the fixes? [10:57] unless there are new ones the other stuff should be goods [10:57] -s [10:58] amichair: did you resolve the issues I highlighted? [10:59] apachelogger: I copied the ppa code exactly from gtk in DialogAdd [11:00] apachelogger: I didn't convert to KDialog, coz all the other dialogs need conversion too, so that would best be done together in a separate fix rather than create inconsistency [11:01] apachelogger: (and is unrelated to to DialogAdd functionality itself) [11:02] well, I could cherry pick revisions :P [11:02] anyhow, if you think it is ready Ill take another look when I get to it [11:02] apachelogger: and of course, just skip the revision with the mime types :-) [11:06] apachelogger: I think that was it, just skip the mime types rev and include the last one with the ppa fix. and some didn't have changelog (should add according to cherrypick I guess) [11:07] apachelogger: also I think I've made progress with Bug #102792, but it's a sneaky one so if u have time to discuss it let me know [11:07] Launchpad bug 102792 in software-properties "MASTER [apport] software-properties-kde crashed with SIGSEGV in QTreeWidgetItem::setData()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102792 [11:16] that is, I have a fix, but i can't point at the actual bug in QT yet, only it's neighborhood [11:56] glatzor__: 33% done but a must have for fedora's next release so we should be able to assume it'll be done https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/KDE_PolicyKitOneQt [11:56] http://websvn.kde.org/branches/work/polkit-qt-1/ and http://websvn.kde.org/branches/work/PolicyKit-kde/ is the code [11:57] policy kit always seems to hideously complex [11:59] ryanakca: looking at cmake now [11:59] Riddell: thanks [12:02] ryanakca: do you know what libxmlrpc-core-c3-dev is needed for? [12:03] oh it's just our version of libxmlrpc-c3-dev [12:03] amichair: just drop a mail to the list [12:04] ryanakca: looks like libxmlrpc-c3-dev is in main now so we can just follow debian and build-dep on that [12:05] ryanakca: I think cmake-gui dummy package isn't needed since debian uses Provides: cmake-gui on cmake-qt-gui [12:06] ryanakca: also "keep maintainer mangling" doesn't need to be specified in the changelog, we know it has to be done for every package [12:10] ryanakca: uploading! [12:25] Riddell: great, thanks [12:51] "john do u how to get thur level 133 onksokoban microban easy" this guy is persistent [12:54] Riddell: that's what? [12:55] Riddell: sounds like a bomb trigger code or something :-) [12:58] Tm_T: someone who keeps e-mailing me [13:23] your ksobokan buddy! [13:27] amichair: hi [13:27] JontheEchidna: hola! [13:28] JontheEchidna: this very second I posted my findings the bug report, care to take a look? [13:28] sure [13:28] bug #102792 [13:28] Launchpad bug 102792 in software-properties "MASTER [apport] software-properties-kde crashed with SIGSEGV in QTreeWidgetItem::setData()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102792 [13:30] it seems to have a whole lot of duplicates and subscribers... why are many of the duplicate reports private? wish I could see if they have some useful info [13:32] Bugs reported semi-automatically via apport are set to private as a "safer rather than sorry" method to prevent sensitive data from showing up in the stacktrace [13:32] JontheEchidna: as in security holes? [13:32] It rarely happens though, so that's just triagers not bothering to unprivate them [13:32] amichair: The core dump may contain private info such as passwords the user was using at the time, etc [13:32] since it could be part of the stack at the time of the crash [13:33] JontheEchidna: oh right. ok then, I approve :-) [13:34] apport bugs usually never have good info, I've found. People who know how to do good bug reports usually do not use apport because they hate it :P [13:35] anyways, on to testing that fix... [13:35] JontheEchidna: I wonder if someone checked the statistics, how many apport reports have been closed and how quick relative to thers [13:35] statistics rock! [13:38] So replace the clear() in show_isv_sources with your snippet? [13:39] that... works! [13:39] yep, the 1 line with the 2 lines [13:39] so u've managed to recreate it, I assume? [13:40] JontheEchidna: do it a bunch of time - I'm aiming for statistical significance :-) [13:40] oh, I've been able to recreate this for a long while. Any time I check a checkbox, usually [13:41] It has not crashed 4/4 times whereas it used to crash 1/1 times [13:41] Riddell: sounds fun [13:42] JontheEchidna: I think a sample space of 1000 experiments should suffice. keep going! [13:42] :-P [13:42] :P [13:45] I'm gonna do some dishes, clean out some real bugs :-) [13:45] bbs [13:54] sebas: ping [13:57] rgreening: pong [13:57] hey sebas [13:57] hey roddie :) [13:57] :) [13:58] akonadi with google contacts.. any hints? The sync seems to lose info in either direction via kmail to google or google to kmail. I onle get 1 tel #, my name and 1 email... [13:58] sebas: ^ [13:59] rgreening: don't know, you can ask on #akonadi [13:59] many of my nice colleagues there to help :) [13:59] sebas: cool. figured you might have an idea :) [13:59] sebas: hows everything else? [14:00] pretty good [14:00] cool [14:00] on networkmanager again [14:00] heh [14:00] and even then it's still pretty good [14:00] its working pretty solid for me [14:00] we've picked up on the plasmoid again [14:00] hopefully part of 4.4 [14:02] JontheEchidna: well? [14:02] amichair: I've tried about 15 times with success each, followed by now 6 times without the patch for a crash [14:03] JontheEchidna: that's a good start [14:03] JontheEchidna: btw do u have any particular job here? what stuff do u work on? [14:04] oh, I do several things here and there... bug triage, packaging, coding [14:05] ok you guys wanna lough [14:05] ? === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube [14:06] http://nancib.wordpress.com/2009/11/08/like-getdeb-now-you-can-get-their-packages-from-a-repo/?replytocom=2878#respond [14:06] second comment [14:06] i never read anything more unneeded [14:08] changing end of files tu .ubu [14:08] lol [14:08] i think some guys didnt get the intention of the deb packages [14:08] :D [14:12] JontheEchidna: do u have any idea what all the cdrom_sources code is about? is there a separate cdrom tree I'm missing? [14:12] cdroms show up in the same view as the other sources. I don't know if it's a separate tree [14:16] JontheEchidna: so what about the crashbug? any more tests we need? someone else to look into it? should I prepare the fix? [14:16] * Riddell moves 4.3.3 into kubuntu-ppa updates, where it should have gone in the first place [14:17] amichair: I'd say you could go and commit a fix in your branch. It looks fixed to me (tm) [14:17] JontheEchidna: oki [14:19] man, so much dup code here [14:20] I must say that a lot of our tools are not as well-maintained as they could be [14:20] hm [14:21] ghostcube: that was a quick laugh alright :D [14:21] apachelogger: yeah short joke [14:21] but it was funny [14:21] :D [14:21] also moving qt 4.6 beta into experimental PPA [14:21] oi [14:21] cool [14:21] windows 7 shouldnt use exe, some of them exe files that worked perfectly fine on my windows 95, dont do anymoar! [14:22] just noticed that the other day [14:22] apachelogger: rofl [14:22] sad really :( [14:22] JontheEchidna: maintained? [14:22] ScottK, Riddell, ping. I think my patches to python-qt3 finally will get KDE moving to testing for easy merging/syncing [14:22] ^- apachelogger [14:22] apachelogger: ok, not really maintained at all [14:22] that also triggered a quick laugh [14:22] neversfelde: what's the status of koffice2? if it's in experimental that means there's more to do? [14:22] * apachelogger got too much coffee again [14:22] theres such a thing as too much coffee? [14:22] NCommander: neato [14:22] * ghostcube too 5 cans till now [14:23] jjesse, unfortunately [14:23] yeah i have .05 liters can for coffee [14:23] 0.5 [14:23] ghostcube: u get coffee in cans? [14:23] :) [14:23] all futuristic [14:23] NCommander: what's the problem currently? [14:23] senseo 5 pads [14:24] * apachelogger notes that his flatmate is addicited to coffee in cans [14:24] das is ne thermoskanne [14:24] only the canned ones though [14:24] * ScottK gets coffee in cans, but it needs to be brewed before he can drink it. [14:24] Riddell, sip4/python-qt4 upgrades broke python-qt3 [14:25] I unofficially adopted that package, and hit it with the cluebat, which should allow sip4 to migrate, and thus unblock part of python-qt4 [14:25] (I'm not sure if python-qt4 will move quite yet, some of its rdepends might hold it in place) [14:25] * apachelogger hands out cookies [14:26] Caffeinated? [14:26] Once this current mess is sorted, I'm adding a dh_sip/dh_python-qt4, etc to make sure we properly track ABI breaks in Debian to help sort this [14:26] Nightrose: I need a free cookies sign! [14:26] ScottK: of course :) [14:26] thc inated wouldnt be so helpful ScottK :D [14:27] boah iam typing to much not needed things today and getting nothing done here at office [14:27] o.o [14:27] apachelogger: here's one for u: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BovQyphS8kA [14:27] while we are at not doing things [14:27] my super important todo currently holds 12 items of which 4 are due tomorrow [14:27] yet I am not motivated at all [14:27] that could turn out bad [14:28] * ghostcube isnt motivated at all doing balance sheet here for 2008 [14:28] -_- [14:28] C is for getting started with C++ :P [14:28] if you tell this an c coder he kills you [14:28] ghostcube: that is so yesterday anyway [14:29] oh, actually more like last year's [14:29] :D [14:29] srsly, I am attending a C course for no other reason than beig able to attend a C++ course next semester :P [14:30] Have to walk before you can run. [14:30] isnt it so you can learn c++ without c i always thought this [14:31] amichair: cookie pwns doughnut :D [14:31] its harder but shouldnt be more complicated [14:31] * ghostcube thinks about going to subways chicken fajity is calling [14:32] well, there are other reasons than c++ being based on c :P [14:32] :) [14:33] * Sput thinks people are better off learning C++ without prior knowledge of C [14:33] because otherwise, first thing you have to do is unlearning Cisms anyway [14:33] Sput: i thought the same [14:33] that, or you end up like the average MS programmer. [14:33] (and API designer) [14:34] poor api designers :( [14:34] c++ declares and iterates all stuff different or [14:34] * txwikinger thinks people are better learning any proper language without prior knowledge of any form of BASIC in particular VBA [14:34] :D [14:34] VBA pwns all them over fancy languages [14:34] other even [14:34] there ... too much coffeee [14:34] i need another one oo [14:34] koffein addict! [14:35] i need coffein to get thc out of the way [14:35] :D [14:35] * amichair wants to see Scala gain pace... finally a new language done right! [14:36] * apachelogger grabs pen and starts drawing uml diagrams on the windows due to lack of whiteboard [14:36] maybe we should all bring to one speach c-buntu [14:36] :) [14:37] kbasic! [14:37] yeah [14:38] amichair: how often people have been told that [14:38] all false prophets, err prophetic languages [14:38] isnt c or c++ still one of the fastest languages to code in [14:38] cause its no interpreter [14:38] :) [14:39] my mother would be faster at reading C and executing it than any given interpreter language could do the job :P [14:39] ghostcube: not really, the big ones have jit compilers which are about the same (sometimes better, sometimes worse) than compiled C/C++ [14:39] hmm ok [14:40] i only know that python had reverted to c++ cause the python modules inside itself was to slow [14:40] :D [14:40] has been * [14:40] ghostcube: I think Python is C, not C++ [14:40] ups sorry [14:41] ghostcube: Jython runs on the JVM, so it probably inherits a bunch of the quickiness [14:41] And that's a standard Python development paradigm. Develop in Python and then optimize bottlenecks into C. [14:41] ScottK: ah ok havent known this [14:41] which then reads: develop in c [14:41] * ScottK thought Java and slow were synonyms. [14:41] I like the Vala approach, I such a language for Qt would be cool. Without a lot of Cpp boilerplate and cruft. [14:41] ScottK: haha, dont get me started on java :D [14:41] ScottK: that's true, circa 1995 :-) [14:42] i have tried to not use java [14:42] apachelogger: Premature optimization is the root of all evil. [14:42] so i used python cause i didnt wanted to start the troll [14:42] amichair: For me it seems true each time I use a Java app. [14:42] no optimization is the root of apachelogger starting a discussion about how inefficient software uses the darn resources these days [14:42] apachelogger: Agreed. [14:42] ok maybe we all should now take us an g5 macosx 10.6 and try java apps [14:43] then we will know why java and slow are calle the same [14:43] :) [14:43] ah bad example [14:43] everyone knows that java only works on windows [14:43] hehe [14:44] the one i hate most at the moment is .net [14:44] vb.net? [14:44] or asp.net? [14:44] or whatever they call them [14:44] i think so my programm here for tax is made in .net 3.5 [14:44] :| [14:45] hm, right [14:45] i asked if they port it to mono [14:45] and they told me nah no way [14:45] :D [14:45] ScottK: I must ask you to revoke the statement about premature optimization [14:45] vb.net is the root of all evil [14:45] yeah [14:45] fucll ack [14:45] *-c [14:45] way too easy to create crappy code [14:45] kinda like python [14:45] just worse [14:46] very fast in coding inconsitent apps [14:46] i asked ADDISON if they dont do QA cause in kubuntu the QA is much better and no need to pay for [14:46] a day later the main programmer called me if i want to do beta testing [14:46] :D [14:46] lulz [14:47] poor programmer probably has to spend all his day hunting down issues [14:47] like I have to do with python :P [14:47] Actually despite the slowness, I like the cross-platformness of Java. I can participate in stuff using http://www.webex.com/ even though I'm pretty sure they don't know how to spell Linux. [14:47] I am seeing similarities here [14:47] yeah but they had an nice c++ app aöll wortking fine till office 2007 cames out [14:47] ghostcube: What's Addison? [14:48] ScottK: ehm software for Taxation belance sheets and so on [14:48] tex cunsultant things [14:48] Ah. I see [14:48] ScottK: the cross platformness ends when you starts using non-standard stuff or stuff that is only part of suns java [14:48] http://langpop.com/ [14:48] apachelogger: Certainly. All I know is it worked. [14:49] ScottK: http://www.addison.de/ [14:49] I sometimes don't get it.. they start gnome because they have issues with the qt licences.. and then they do mono [14:49] damn only german [14:49] I recall reading that Google typically advertises for both Java and Python experience when they hire Java coders because their experience is people that know Python are better programmers. [14:49] if I hadn't done most of my coding in java, I'd never be able to migrate to kubuntu... I'd be locked in to MSVC or .NET [14:49] * txwikinger can read German ;) [14:50] txwikinger: ;) [14:50] ScottK: the supervisor of my "project efficiency" project used to use a java based tool for recording his lectures ... 5 linux users failed to make it work on any recent distro [14:50] i think most of you know DATEV maybe [14:50] depends on like 5 external modules [14:50] ADDISON is the better opposite [14:50] amongst them is JMF [14:50] apachelogger: I believe you. [14:50] an JMF is an abomination of live [14:51] DATEV is in banking api? [14:51] as [14:51] apachelogger: bad code can be written in any language. hell, there's a whole lot of code out there that doesn't work on *any* platform :-) [14:51] txwikinger: yeah [14:51] * apachelogger needs to stop writing typos and get some work down [14:51] * txwikinger once develop something for DATEV [14:51] +ed [14:51] could be yes :) the still do c c++ java and mysql as database [14:51] amichair: the code is actually quite good, the famework sucks in that particular example [14:52] txwikinger: addison uses kerberos and .net [14:52] brech [14:52] its good but so little not needed bugs driving you crazy cause of the .net shi [14:52] workflow is not good [14:56] I wonder if qt3 can go into universe in lucid http://paste.ubuntu.com/314143/ [14:57] scribus, qcad and koffice seem to be necessary rdepends and they could be dropped or upgraded to qt 4 [14:57] which would leave lsb-desktop [14:57] I wonder if the scribus team thinks the version in scribus-ng is suitable for mainstream use yet [14:59] according to their website, yes! [15:00] I wonder why qcad is in main at all [15:01] JontheEchidna: in bug 479142 the user obviously upgraded his lust Oo [15:01] Launchpad bug 479142 in kdebase-workspace "I've messed up all my kde-system after my lust upgrade" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/479142 [15:01] So then if we convince Debian to upgrade scribus 5o 1.3.5 and move koffice -> kde4 we'd be all set [15:01] s/5o/to [15:02] JontheEchidna: except that qt 3 is still part of lsb and I presume ubuntu wants lsb in main [15:02] oh, hmm [15:02] SCRIBUS CAN NOT GO QT 4 [15:02] upstream will beat us up, and do awful things [15:03] ah, you mean like javaaargh [15:03] also, scribus-ng is not anywhere as stable as stable, which is really why it is not stable yet [15:03] so stop even thinking about that [15:03] 1.3.5.1 is now advertised as their stable release on their website [15:03] and I wasn't srolled down :( [15:03] oh, nevermind [15:03] Sput: so it seems :P [15:03] shoot me [15:03] anyways, no need to keep it in main, right? [15:04] Oo [15:04] JontheEchidna: what makes you think that? [15:04] oh, edubuntu needs it [15:04] JontheEchidna: lust==last He speak english like me :-) [15:05] oh, makes sense [15:06] apachelogger: we could pull a mandravia and remove qt3 entirely :P [/sarcasm] [15:06] you know if we even discussed doing that we'd be branded the worst of linux distros for forever [15:06] we could do a lotta things :P [15:07] lsb seems to be dead, it's been in beta since 2006 as far as I can tell [15:10] sounds like poke the upstream [15:10] like poke the mole :D [15:12] Gentoo is just in the process of pruning KDE3 and Qt3 from the official repository :) we'll keep it in a user-maintained "PPA" until users lose interest [15:12] worst thing are open security bugs in 3.5.10 that nobody seems to be interested in fixing anymore... [15:13] * ScottK thinks ours are fixed. [15:13] yeah, we don't have the manpower :/ [15:13] if upstream isn't interested anymore, we're getting rid of the software [15:14] masked two days ago, imagine what s***storm that caused :) [15:14] Our manpower for that was Riddell. [15:14] well, he seems to have a clone army [15:16] * Sput fondly remembers the time when Gentoo deprecated xmms [15:16] users can be so conservative :) [15:17] what's the nicest py way of replacing a list's contents with another list's contents? [15:19] lists = newcontents [15:19] amichair: What's wrong with listfoo = listbar? [15:19] that replaces the list, not it's contents [15:19] OK, what's the difference? [15:20] i.e. a list passed to a method, I want to fill it up. in the former, the local reference is replaced, and the caller doesn't see it. in the latter, the original instance is updated. I think... [15:23] does that make sense? [15:25] there is a difference between overwriting the reference and overwriting the value [15:36] ScottK: my q is how to do it py? [15:37] in py [15:37] I'm not sure there's a difference in this case, but there may be. I'd need to look some stuff up. [15:37] Did you already try assignment and it didn't work? [15:38] yep [15:38] amichair: you mean like updating the content? [15:38] apachelogger: yep [15:38] e.g. pointer fun [15:38] amichair: you don't want to do that in python ... creates overhead (at least codewise) http://python.org/doc/2.5.2/lib/ctypes-pointers.html [15:39] apachelogger: nono, don't want anything like that [15:40] I think the answer is simpler than it sounds, I just don't know it [15:40]