[02:22] <rsc___> hey. does anyone know why button icons were disabled by default on gnome 2.28 (and by effect, ubuntu 9.10)? not that I'm against it, but i'm just curious to how that's justified.
[04:54] <mac_v> rsc___: it was upstream decision
[04:55] <mac_v> rsc___: there are some details in andreasn's blog and the upstream bug > lp is Bug #407621
[11:42] <darkmatter> http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2009/10/13/browsing-your-personal-web/
[11:42] <darkmatter> awesome
[11:43] <darkmatter> http://people.mozilla.com/~faaborg/files/20091012-personalWeb/bookmarksLocationBar-i1.png
[12:23] <thorwil> kwwii: received the first sign of live from robsta after weeks. his job keeps him too busy to work on the css-engine
[14:07] <mac_v> darkmatter: IMO , bad idea , to move the tabs to the top... though it is logically correct , the cursor will now have to move further if the user wants to select/switch the tabs :/
[14:08] <darkmatter> mac_v: that's not about the tabs. I linked it because of the bookmark/history navigation
[14:08] <darkmatter> top tabs are stupid though
[14:08] <mac_v> darkmatter: yeah , but just mentioning about the tabs ;)
[14:10] <darkmatter> mac_v: I like the 'one' point in those mockups. the breadcrumb pattern (which is a standard ui feature in general, just not normally seen in the web/web apps), but it would be nice if the did a *total* ui convergence instead of an idea or two
[14:12] <darkmatter> mac_v: that was a hidden shameless plug, since the crap I'm working on tries to converge as much as possible (I foresee many shell extensions to integrate web searches and services in the shell :P)
[14:17] <mac_v> darkmatter: IE8 has a neat little thing , sort of like breadcrumbs, it groups the tabs by colors... iirc there is also an extension in firefox for that
[14:17] <mac_v> if tabs are from one tab/thread , they are the same color
[14:20] <mac_v> i thought the colors were dumb at first , but when you have several topics you are viewing it becomes easy to change the tabs
[14:22] <darkmatter> mac_v: yeah. sorta the general idea I have. but as mines not a browser, it goes furture. but still the same general concept. group by type (rather than app) and by activity by default, allow freeform dnd regrouping to arange crap how you want. btw. my panel is also a dnd clipboard :P
[14:24] <darkmatter> similar concept for toolbars, but adapted for the difference in usage
[16:26] <kwwii> thorwil: hehe, guess I shouldn't apply for a job with them then
[16:27] <thorwil> kwwii: yeah, since you never work crazy times for canonical, eh? :)
[16:30] <kwwii> lol
[17:37] <mac_v> andreasn: hey , around?
[18:01] <andreasn> mac_v: yes
[18:01] <andreasn> mac_v: ah, right, I was supposed to reply to a bug
[18:01] <mac_v> kwwii: andreasn: any idea where the bug really is in > Bug #439172
[18:01] <mac_v> ;)
[18:02] <andreasn> it could be in the panel code
[18:02] <mac_v> the rest of the applets behave nice... nm is the rogue ;p
[18:03] <andreasn> hm, yeah, I've seen nm doing odd stuff with other icon themes as well
[18:03] <kwwii> mac_v: hrm, have you checked to see that the icons all exist at different sizes?
[18:03] <mac_v> kwwii: i added the icon in all sizes but still the problem arises , nm just scales the icons rather than using them as is
[18:04] <mac_v> not in the karmic theme , but locally
[18:04] <kwwii> mac_v: hrm, sounds like a bug in the code then
[18:04] <andreasn> it can't really be the icon.theme threshold thing...
[18:04] <andreasn> since the others are behaving correctly
[18:04] <kwwii> andreasn: yeah, I don't think so either
[18:04] <andreasn> I think it's a networkmanager bug rather than a Humanity bug
[18:04] <mac_v> kwwii: it happens in all themes , even in breathe :(   , asac mentioned that nm uses a different icon call
[18:06]  * mac_v remembers... when doing the nm icons for breathe ckontros bit my head off for that blurriness .. ;p
[18:10] <kwwii> hrm, probably nm then
[18:19] <mac_v> andreasn: kwwii: could you guys comment on the bug?  then i can bug asac to fix nm ;p
[18:30] <kwwii> mac_v: responded
[18:30] <kwwii> erm, commented I mean
[18:31] <mac_v> awesome , thanks :)
[21:53] <Owla> hmmmm.. hello?
[21:54] <ckontros> Owla: Slow channel this time of day. Best just to ask your question.
[21:56] <Owla> oh, I just wanted to ask how to submit a wallpaper. but a friend just told me to post it in the flickr group. sry :)