[00:47] <chrisccoulson> hello robert_ancell - i notice you're still assigned to bug 429322. do you want me to take this one, or do you think you'll find some time to look at it this week?
[00:47] <chrisccoulson> gnome bug 579738 has a description of the issue
[01:02] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, if you know a fix go ahead.  I haven't been able to access the bug, LP seems to have got confused.  I'll look at it today.
[01:02] <chrisccoulson> robert_ancell - you might need to disable edge redirection to view the bug
[01:02] <chrisccoulson> i find that it times out earlier, and you end up being blocked out of bugs with lots of comments
[01:04] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, thanks, that worked
[01:05] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'm not sure why edge times out earlier
[01:32] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, how did you have seahorse-agent installed but not running in you session?
[01:33] <chrisccoulson> robert_ancell - it's running in my session
[01:33] <robert_ancell> so when you use xtrace how did you get it to run a second time?
[01:34] <chrisccoulson> i killed the first instance, and cleared GPG_AGENT_INFO from my environment
[01:34] <chrisccoulson> a second instance should run ok then
[01:35] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, ah, the env variable is what I needed, thanks
[01:35] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that confused me for a little while
[01:35] <chrisccoulson> i wasn't sure at first how it decided there was a second instance running
[01:40] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, hmm, I don't get an apport crash; I run xtrace, then seahose-agent then Ctrl+C xtrace but nothing seems to happen
[01:41] <chrisccoulson> that's strange - it should crash
[01:41] <chrisccoulson> it does exit though doesn't it?
[01:42] <robert_ancell> yeah, ps shows it was there and now isnt
[01:43] <chrisccoulson> that's odd. and apport is still enabled on your machine?
[01:45] <robert_ancell> I think so
[01:46] <robert_ancell> where is the enable flag?
[01:48] <chrisccoulson> it's in /etc/default/apport
[01:48] <chrisccoulson> it should be disabled now, unless you re-enabled it again
[01:49] <robert_ancell> yes it is, re-enabled.
[01:50] <robert_ancell> this bug is interesting as it doesn't seem to have any side-effects and we're only fixing it to shut apport up
[01:50] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that seems to be the case
[01:50] <chrisccoulson> but it seems that a lot of users still have apport enabled
[02:30] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, it doesn't want to reproduce for me.  If it does for you could you try the package in https://launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/+archive/ppa/+packages and see if that fixes it?
[02:31] <chrisccoulson> robert_ancell - mind if i try it tomorrow?
[02:31] <chrisccoulson> i'm going to get some sleep in a bit :)
[02:31] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, sure np! sleep is good :)
[06:57] <pitti> Good morning
[07:11] <didrocks> good morning pitti
[08:03] <fagan> Morning
[08:34] <baptistemm> hello
[08:34] <huats> morning
[08:36]  * bryce waves
[08:47] <baptistemm> pitti, hello, are you the one who used to upload fontconfig package?
[08:48] <pitti> baptistemm: no, I have no idea at all about fontconfig
[08:49] <baptistemm> okay
[08:50] <baptistemm> karmic ships 2.6.0 where 2.7.3 is shipped in Fedora, and apparently it brings memory reduction, I looked at debian patches this week-end, and updated them
[08:50] <baptistemm> perhaps someone whit more knowledge than me could look at this for lucid
[08:51] <pitti> ArneGoetje: I think that would fall into your competency area? :-) ^
[08:51] <baptistemm> I need to reinstall standard karmic version to see the real benefits between the 2 versions
[08:52] <baptistemm> thanks pitti
[08:52] <baptistemm> pitti, does Germany celebrates the fall of the Wall as much as France does?
[08:53] <pitti> baptistemm: I don't know how much France celebrates it :) but the 20 year anniversary has been one of the top subjects in news magazines for weeks already
[08:53] <baptistemm> here too
[08:53] <pitti> it was indeed quite exciting times back then
[08:53] <pitti> I was only 9, but I still remember it
[08:53] <baptistemm> all day, TV news and radio are made from Berlin
[08:54] <baptistemm> I was 10 I remember the fall of the wall and trial in Romania against Caucescu
[08:55]  * fagan was 1 when the wall fell (I think)
[09:04] <ArneGoetje> pitti: I will take a look at it
[09:05] <baptistemm> ArneGoetje, hi
[09:05] <baptistemm> ArneGoetje, https://edge.launchpad.net/~bmillemathias/+archive/ppa I did a package for karmic to test it, but there is some problem
[09:06] <baptistemm> when I install it for instance, all GTK+ applications crashed
[09:06] <baptistemm> then after all was okay
[09:16] <chrisccoulson> hello everyone
[09:16] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson; had a good weekend?
[09:17] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti - yes, my weekend wasn't too bad, although my girlfriend has had flu
[09:17] <chrisccoulson> what about you?
[09:19] <pitti> we had a nice party on Saturday evening, and had some family visit yesterday; nice and relaxing
[09:20] <chrisccoulson> excellent :) i like relaxing weekends too
[09:23]  * fagan is getting angry at the poor excuse for a dictionary in Empathy 
[09:26] <davmor2> fagan: it's even more frustrating that you can't add words ;)
[09:26] <chrisccoulson> pitti - thanks for sponsoring the s-t-b update. i tried out the new patch-tagging guidelines, but I wasn't too sure if i did it correctly yet ;)
[09:26] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I was happy to see them in action :)
[09:26] <fagan> davmor2: exactly
[09:27] <fagan> Its funny it doesnt like the word management but suggests the term stage-management
[12:04] <asac> pitti: hey ;)
[12:04] <asac> pitti: is seb on holiday?
[12:04] <pitti> hi asac! enjoyed your holidays?
[12:04] <pitti> asac: no, he's travelling to Dallas today (DX sprint Wed-Fri)
[12:04] <asac> oh ... so gtk+2.0 is in -proposed
[12:04] <asac> with bug 393534
[12:04] <asac> however, i need to unpatch the XID collision output
[12:05] <asac> there were now reports that for some it filled .xsession-errors with 3GB
[12:05] <asac> seems like the 393534 didnt help ... not sure what to do now
[12:05] <asac> pitti: ^^
[12:06] <asac> i could remove the patch for that bug and put just the one liner for the Xid coliision warning in there
[12:06] <mvo> 3GB ? impressive
[12:06] <asac> or keep the current proposed patch .. but of course risk that it blocks the xid thing
[12:07] <asac> mvo: ;) yeah
[12:07] <mvo> almost as much fun as bug #453444
[12:08] <asac> "all normal" ;)
[12:09] <mvo> yeah
[12:09] <mvo> this is why its so ironic
[12:09] <asac> mvo: you asked for me while i was away ... about some Xb- thing?
[12:09] <mvo> "I'm fine"
[12:09] <mvo> "I'm fine"
[12:09] <mvo> "I'm fine"
[12:09] <mvo> "I'm fine"
[12:09] <mvo> "I'm fine"
[12:09] <mvo> "I'm fine"
[12:09] <mvo> "I'm fine"
[12:09] <asac>  /kick mvo-troll
[12:09] <mvo> asac: yeah, but I think we have a proposal ready for uds-discussion
[12:10] <mvo> asac: its about adding "XB-Restart-Required: [session, system, app]"
[12:10] <mvo> asac: to debain/control
[12:10] <mvo> so that we can display information about reboot required *before* the user installs the update
[12:10] <pitti> asac: since testing with that patch was unsuccessful, I'd say upload a new one with that patch removed, and we reattempt the former SRU later on
[12:11] <asac> pitti: ok i agree. just wanted to check
[12:11] <pitti> asac: just upload, I'll modify the bugs accordingly
[12:11] <asac> thx
[12:12] <asac> mvo: ok. but we still keep the update-notifier thing?
[12:13] <mvo> asac: yeah, maybe redoing it internally
[12:13] <mvo> asac: but it will warn before and after
[12:19] <asac> mvo: ffox currently relies on the notifier file being put there
[12:20] <asac> mvo: so just dropping that needs a valid alternative so firefox can display its "restart" button
[12:20] <mvo> asac: ok, we should have a quick talk about this during uds (not necessarily in a session)
[12:20] <mvo> asac: I have rarely seen the notication inside firefox, I never debugged it, might be a odd corner case
[12:24] <asac> ok
[12:33] <asac> hmm update-maintainer adds "asac@ubuntu.com" now as Maintainer ... thats odd
[12:36] <chrisccoulson> what was the original maintainer?
[12:36] <asac> seb128@debian.org
[12:36] <chrisccoulson> i'm sure i saw that before when the original maintainer had a @ubuntu.com mail address
[12:36] <chrisccoulson> hmmm
[12:36] <asac> i think it has something to do with the fact that the package has control.in
[12:37] <asac> seems update-maintainer updated control.in
[12:37] <chrisccoulson> possibly
[12:37] <asac> how can i tell debuild to ignore maintainer?
[12:37] <asac> seems seb forced it too because it was a ubuntu1 with his debian email
[12:38] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure how to do that
[12:59] <pitti> asac: DEBEMAIL= debuild -S
[12:59] <pitti> chrisccoulson: ^ FYI
[12:59] <pitti> it only bails out if $DEBEMAIL =~ /ubuntu/
[13:00] <chrisccoulson> pitti - thanks
[13:02] <baptistemm> hello again
[13:02] <baptistemm> there is some room for improvement when checkdisk fails, for a simple user getting a root maintenance shell is not enough
[13:03] <baptistemm> I had this case this week-end and a graphical solution would be nice to have
[13:08] <asac> k thx
[13:18] <dobey> mac_v: yes i know it's filed. no i haven't really had any time to fix it yet :)
[13:53] <mac_v> dobey: cool... its just that the bug wasnt confirmed and i hadnt mentioned to you i filed it , so I thought you hadnt noticed it ;)
[13:54] <dobey> yeah, there's an email for it
[13:54] <dobey> one of like 30K bug e-mails i have from lp :)
[13:54] <mac_v> lol!
[14:27] <rickspencer3> welcome back asac
[14:31] <asac> hi rickspencer3 ;)
[14:32] <fagan> rickspencer3: hows the plans going for the UDS?
[14:34] <rickspencer3> hi fagan
[14:34] <Riddell> bryce: do you think this is still an issue? bug 81686
[14:34] <rickspencer3> you can check it out on launchpad
[14:34] <fagan> rickspencer3: yep
[14:34] <rickspencer3> pitti did a wonderful job getting us organized
[14:34] <didrocks> hey rickspencer3
[14:35] <rickspencer3> hi didrocks
[14:46] <kenvandine> hey rickspencer3
[14:46] <rickspencer3> hi kenvandine
[14:47] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, ready for the trip?
[14:48]  * kenvandine is hacking on a proof of concept for hooking up the indicator with MC5 instead of patching empathy
[14:48] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, not really
[14:48] <rickspencer3> :/
[14:48] <kenvandine> :/
[14:49] <rickspencer3> I have to go over blueprints today
[14:49] <rickspencer3> and lots of other planning that I have to catch up on :o
[14:49] <rickspencer3> Lucid is going to be exciting indeed
[14:49] <kenvandine> :)
[14:49] <kenvandine> yeah, i have almost a week before i leave and feel like it isn't enough time :)
[15:00] <rickspencer3> no seb128
[15:02] <rickspencer3> seb128 est on un avion, n'ce'pa?
[15:07] <pitti> rickspencer3: oui, Monsieur
[15:07] <rickspencer3> salut, pitti
[15:07] <pitti> rickspencer3: comment vas-tu?
[15:08] <rickspencer3> bon, et tois?
[15:08] <pitti> tres bien, merci!
[15:08] <pitti> I'm down to two merges
[15:09] <rickspencer3> j' suis energe
[15:09] <pitti> and got the worst jockey bugs nailed for karmic-proposed now
[15:10] <rickspencer3> UDS vais beacaue important
[15:10]  * rickspencer3 needs to work on spelling :/
[15:10] <rickspencer3> pitti, chouette
[15:10] <rickspencer3> I have time blocked out today to go over all the blueprints
[15:11]  * baptistemm just seens people are writing french here
[15:11] <rickspencer3> (especially quickly ones)
[15:11] <rickspencer3> hi baptistemm, indeed ... j'etudi francais
[15:11]  * rickspencer3 has taken it for 3 weeks
[15:12] <baptistemm> héhé
[15:12] <baptistemm> bonne chance :)
[15:15]  * pitti now stops pretending that he can speak a single word in French
[15:16] <baptistemm> I admit I didn't got all messages written above :)
[15:22] <rickspencer3> :/
[15:23] <rickspencer3> baptistemm, how do I "I feel energized"?
[15:23] <baptistemm> rickspencer3, don't hesitate to ask for a translator, there is a lot of french people here :)
[15:24] <baptistemm> "Je me sens plein d'énergie" I'd say
[15:24] <baptistemm> "Je me sens en forme" perhaps
[15:25] <rickspencer3> "je me sens foo" = "I'm feeling foo"?
[15:26] <rickspencer3> baptistemm ^
[15:27] <baptistemm> yep
[15:27] <baptistemm> I feel tired, => je me sens fatigué
[15:55] <jcastro> pitti or seb128: zeuthen maintains g-d-u correct?
[15:56] <pitti> jcastro: upstream, yes
[15:57] <jcastro> pitti, and policykit-gnome too right?
[15:57] <pitti> right
[15:57] <jcastro> thanks!
[17:20] <Ng> robbiew: have you had any flashing-capslock crashes from your 301?
[17:20] <robbiew> no
[17:20] <and471> mvo, mpt: I have been able to do some work on the history view of software-center
[17:20] <Ng> bah
[17:20]  * Ng fears for his hardware
[17:21] <and471> mpt: are you available to scrutinise it for 5 mins?
[17:26] <and471> mpt: don't worry I shall catch you another time
[18:10] <chrisccoulson> are some users still having general issues with locking the screen using the indicator-session applet?
[18:10] <chrisccoulson> mac_v?
[18:11] <pitti> chrisccoulson: WFM
[18:11] <mac_v> chrisccoulson:  hmmm ... what did i do, now ? o.0
[18:11] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, it works here too, but i seem to remember some people were having issues with it
[18:11] <chrisccoulson> and i just found an issue with it
[18:12] <mac_v> chrisccoulson: you mean the screen lock? i'm not having problems , WFM ;)
[18:12] <chrisccoulson> if gnome-screensaver starts after indicator-user-service, then it fails to lock the screen
[18:18] <mac_v> mpt: regarding notify-osd>>> * There will be a new style, yet to be decided.   << how about having 1px white line around the bubbles :)
[18:38] <pitti> good night everyone!
[19:20] <dobey> hrmm
[19:21] <dobey> is it just me, or is anyone else seeing a fd leak with rhythmbox on karmic?
[20:32] <serialorder> I am looking at some of the merges on http://piware.de/workitems/desktop/lucid/versions.html
[20:35] <serialorder> there are many where like this for example  vino  2.28.1-0ubuntu2  2.28.1-1 where the debian version doesn't introduce anything new. It makes the m a fairly simple merge. Is that something that I might work on or is there other plans?
[20:41] <Laney> serialorder: yes, do them if you are so inclined
[20:41] <serialorder> what shoudl i doonce they are done
[20:41] <serialorder> how do i get them approved?
[20:42] <serialorder> like I would with a some other universe package? file a bug then add universe-sponsors or something else since they are ubuntu-desktop packages?
[20:43] <Laney> main sponsors if it's in main
[20:43] <serialorder> ok so there is nothing special to do because it is part of ubuntu-desktop?
[22:36] <mdz> eek:
[22:36] <mdz> mdz       2886  0.0 68.0 2095488 1005860 ?     Sl   Oct09   2:26 /usr/lib/evolution/evolution-data-server-2.28 --oaf-activat
[22:40] <RaXOR> hi 2 all... who can say is it ubuntu soft developers room ?
[22:42] <RaXOR> is anybody active here ?? thx
[23:07] <chrisccoulson> hi mclasen - i saw your comment on bug 579738. i've just tested a patch which should be sufficient for a stable update in ubuntu (ie, it fixes the crash), but it doesn't remove all the atexit handlers like you suggested. would you mind taking a quick look to make sure that it still does what you *think* it should be doing when it exits?
[23:07] <chrisccoulson> oops, gnome bug 579738
[23:07] <chrisccoulson> the patch is at http://people.ubuntu.com/~chrisccoulson/seahorse-plugins%20SRU/seahorse-plugins_2.28.1-0ubuntu4.debdiff
[23:10] <mclasen> looks like the right idea; have you checked if any of the other uninit functions does anything relevant ? It didn't look like it to me
[23:11] <chrisccoulson> mclasen - i had a quick look through, and the other uninit functions seemed to be mainly unref'ing widgets and removing gconf notifies etc
[23:12] <chrisccoulson> thanks for looking. we'l probably upload this tomorrow