[00:32] <fta> dtchen, now that i'm using vdpau, mplayer exposes some audio gliches, like if the sound was not able to keep up with the video
[00:33] <fta>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
[00:33] <fta> 21537 fta       20   0  168m  41m  12m S   10  2.1   6:24.76 mplayer
[00:33] <fta>  1078 root      20   0  601m  53m  10m S    5  2.6  34:45.63 Xorg
[00:33] <fta>  1524 fta        9 -11  157m 9520 7016 S    3  0.5  10:22.38 pulseaudio
[00:34] <fta> that's when playing a hi def file
[00:34] <fta> VIDEO:  [avc1]  1280x536  24bpp  23.976 fps    0.0 kbps ( 0.0 kbyte/s)
[00:34] <fta> Opening audio decoder: [libdca] DTS decoding with libdca
[00:34] <fta> Stream with high frequencies VQ coding
[00:34] <fta> AUDIO: 48000 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 1536.0 kbit/100.00% (ratio: 192000->192000)
[00:34] <fta> Selected audio codec: [dts] afm: libdca (DTS-libdca)
[00:34] <dtchen> doesn't surprise me; there's quite some optimisation remaining
[00:35] <fta> AO: [pulse] 48000Hz 2ch s16le (2 bytes per sample)
[00:36] <fta> you mean in p-a or vdpau?
[00:36] <dtchen> the former, at least
[00:41] <fta> regular 720p now take 0~2% CPU so that's plenty of cpu left for p-a & X
[00:42] <fta> this one is kind of tougher to play
[00:49] <fta> FIREFOX_3_6b2_RELEASE
[01:01] <micahg1> fta: I'll try to package ff3.6b2 later tonight
[01:02] <micahg> fta: are you subscribed to something where you see the releases?
[01:08] <fta> yes
[01:09] <fta> rss
[01:09] <fta> like http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-1.9.2/atom-tags
[01:09] <fta> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/atom-tags
[01:09] <fta> etc
[01:13] <micahg> ah, cool
[02:03] <meatbun> i have suggestion to firefox, on the downloading-pop up, i would like to easily see the source address which i am doing. right now i have to manually copy and paste it to notepad and to gedit
[06:53] <micahg1> fta: I made the fixes for ff3.7 daily, but it needs to be reviewed before committing
[09:41] <hyperair> hello. has anyone noticed the missing "undo closed tab" feature from the daily builds of firefox?
[09:41] <hyperair> and possibly the broken "view image" feature among other context menu options for images in firefox daily?
[10:10]  * asac waves
[10:14] <asac> hyperair: which daily build?
[10:14] <asac> which version?
[10:14] <hyperair> firefox-3.7: Installed: 3.7~a1~hg20091105r34606+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1
[10:16] <asac> ok. everything is possible on trunk ;) ...
[10:16] <asac> hyperair: when did it disappear?
[10:16] <hyperair> hmm a few days ago
[10:16] <hyperair> i'm not very sure when
[10:16] <asac> let me upgrade to latest ...
[10:16] <hyperair> i could add it back with tab mix plus, but for some reason, it removes all my toolbar buttons that have been added by extensions
[10:17] <eagles0513875> hey asac :)
[10:22] <asac> hi
[10:22] <asac> hyperair: will take a bit till system has all updates ...
[10:23] <asac> dpm: hi. yes, wonder if we should really have a dedicated session. maybe we can put mozilla stuff in some other translator session?
[10:34] <dpm> hey asac, morning. Thanks for coming back to me on this. The only one on the community track it could fit into would be https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-lucid-browser-start-page-l10n, but that one has not really got to do with Firefox. We've got room in the community track, so scheduling a new one wouldn't be a problem. If we cannot fit it in any existing one I'd go for scheduling an informative session - IIRC correctl
[10:34] <dpm> y you were telling some time ago that in the future we might have different versions of FF, and I'd like to discuss how this will affect translations. Also devmode, etc.
[10:39] <asac> dpm: ok. i will just add an informational spec for this cycle and subscribe you (will do all this spec stuff later today, after catching up on various things)
[10:39] <asac> dpm: in case we dont get a slot on desktop track we can put that on community
[10:40] <hyperair> asac: it's fine, take your time
[10:41] <dpm> asac, yes, sure. But jono would like to have all community blueprints by today, so if it doesn't fit in the desktop track, please let me know laer on and I'll file one on the community track
[10:42] <dpm> thanks
[11:25] <fta> jcastro, "On 2009-11-15, six days from now, your membership in the Ubuntu Bug Control (ubuntu-bugcontrol) Launchpad team is due to expire."  could you please do something for me?
[11:26] <fta> asac, hi!
[11:27] <fta> asac, you now have pptp & vpnc in the nmt ppa
[11:28] <asac> fta: oh ;)
[11:28] <asac> fta: thx ... :-P
[11:28] <asac> hi
[11:28] <asac> what triggered this?
[11:28] <asac> fta: bugcontrol is bdmurray ;) ^^^
[11:29] <asac> bdmurray: ^^
[11:31] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/314007/
[11:32] <asac> ah
[11:32] <asac> yeah
[11:32] <asac> so two of them are in this channel ;)
[11:41] <fta> asac, we have a seg fault during build in lpia
[11:41] <asac> hmm
[11:41] <asac> 1.9.3 only, right?
[11:41] <asac> fta: do you have a lpia install? guess its all i386 nowadays?
[11:41] <asac> (netbook)
[11:42] <fta> no lpia, it didn't even boot on my netbook
[11:43] <asac> let me check if we have a porter machine or something where i can log in and check
[11:43] <asac> fta: crashes everywhere or just karmic/lucid?
[11:43] <fta> karmic
[11:43] <fta> no lucid yet
[11:44] <asac> ok makes sense i guess ;)
[11:44] <fta> bug 478691 makes it difficult to add lucid
[11:51] <asac> fta: what does that fix imply?
[11:51] <asac> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~launchpad-pqm/launchpad/devel/revision/9685
[11:51] <asac> i dont get it ;)
[11:51] <asac> Ensure that if a currently-building build exists for the same
[11:51] <asac>  
[11:51] <asac> 573
[11:51] <asac>         # ppa archive and architecture currently building then we don't
[11:51] <asac>  
[11:51] <asac> 574
[11:51] <asac>         # consider another as a candidate.
[11:51] <asac> that sentence makes not much sense to me
[11:52] <fta> there are 12~15 builders per arch now, a given ppa can only start 1 build per arch at a time, even if the other ones are all idle
[11:52] <asac> ok. lets do the ppa split ;)
[11:53] <asac> at least for mozillas that should help
[11:53] <fta> yep, it's cheating though
[11:54] <asac> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/478691/comments/3
[11:58] <fta> took 14 hours for umd yesterday
[11:58] <fta> and 10h for ucd with just 1 package
[12:03] <asac> fta: bug 393534
[12:03] <asac> isnt that your bug?
[12:03] <fta> no
[12:04] <fta> well, maybe the same root cause
[12:08] <asac> fta: you still have a bug after the engine fixes?
[12:15] <fta> no
[12:20] <asac> good ;)
[13:33] <fta> asac, grrr, each time i restart ff3.7, the session is gone
[13:33] <fta> empty
[14:16] <asac> hmm ... wonder if this new scheduling also applies for native ppas like the security ppa
[14:16] <asac> would be bad :(
[14:17] <asac> let me check
[16:03] <gnomefreak> im 97% i am leave to go to pennsylvania(sp) saterday ill be gone until jan/feb however i am bringing atleast one of my pc's not sure if its this one or not
[16:11] <wolfslack> will it be possible to integrate thunderbird tasks with google at some point?
[16:13] <gnomefreak> ? lightning?
[16:14] <gnomefreak> i dont reall if tbird3 will beable to sync with google but as of today i dont see it
[16:14] <wolfslack> yes, using lightning.
[16:15] <gnomefreak> calendar-google-provider
[16:15] <gnomefreak> as i recall that is what you want
[16:16] <wolfslack> considering your name i dare to ask a non-channel topic question: Is evolution to be seen as a part of gnome? I find it frustrating that so many packages depend on it.
[16:16] <wolfslack> yeah sure, calendar work fine. Tasks don't.
[16:16] <gnomefreak> i dont use evo
[16:17] <gnomefreak> ther eis a bug on that (maybe more than 1) but i havent gotten a changce to look into it
[16:17] <wolfslack> But im sure you have it installed.
[16:17] <gnomefreak> wolfslack: nope i removed it
[16:17] <gnomefreak> evo is installed by default in gnome
[16:19] <wolfslack> really, ok havent tried to remove it for atleast some versions (since 8.. something). Back then open office got wacked if i touched it.
[16:20] <gnomefreak> wolfslack: there are parts (not sure if one or how many) that will take some packages you want (maybe)
[16:20] <gnomefreak> i also remove bluetooth crap
[16:24] <wolfslack> removing evolution-dataserver-common will remove gnome-session, gnome-applets aso.
[16:25] <wolfslack> which is a shame because evolution is crappy
[16:29] <gnomefreak> yep
[16:33] <mac_v> wolfslack: evolution seems to have gotten better
[16:34] <wolfslack> well its a shame that gnome is creating locking in to evolution if you want the nice ui integration.
[16:35] <wolfslack> google calendar access is read only forexample.
[16:35] <mac_v> wolfslack: actually 'evolution-dataserver-common' doesnt have anything to do with evolution mails per-se
[16:36] <wolfslack> its open source legacy software as i see it. And for some reason they are clinging to it, despite the technological superiority of thunerbird.
[16:36] <mac_v> yeah ,,,legacy ;)
[16:37] <wolfslack> evolutions tasks will integrate with the gnome-gui, so will evolution mail.
[16:55] <bdmurray> fta: as an ubuntu developer you are already a member of bug control so only your "direct" membership is expiring.  You can safely ignore it.
[16:56] <fta> bdmurray, really? last time, it expired for real
[16:59] <bdmurray> fta: hunh, it shouldn't
[17:01] <fta> bdmurray, it's direct membership: https://edge.launchpad.net/~fta/+participation
[17:01] <fta> got it before motu
[17:02] <bdmurray> fta: rigth but if you look at https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev that team is a member of ubuntu-bugcontrol so while your direct membership will expire you'll still be a member of bug control
[17:02] <fta> ok, lets try that );
[17:02] <fta> ;)
[17:03] <asac> very good
[17:03] <gnomefreak> bdmurray: is pulseaudio-module-udev still needed or has it been replaced (lucid
[17:03] <gnomefreak> )
[17:03] <bdmurray> gnomefreak: I don't know
[17:04] <gnomefreak> bdmurray: thanks ill remove it and find out :)
[17:05] <gnomefreak> its replaces pulseaudio-module-hal
[17:13] <fta> asac, did you review micahg's work?
[17:13] <micahg> let me get a pastebin
[17:14] <asac> i probably havent even reached the emails
[17:14] <asac> still 600+ left
[17:15] <fta> i want the session restore back
[17:15] <fta> [reed], ^^
[17:15] <[reed]> ?
[17:15] <[reed]> what's wrong with session restore?
[17:16] <micahg> http://pastebin.com/f5b8c2697 with emails redacted
[17:18] <fta> [reed], each time i restart ff, it starts empty
[17:18] <[reed]> hmm
[17:19] <micahg> [reed]: thanks for the dictionary patch upstream
[17:19] <fta> asac, your patch, i let you review it
[17:20] <asac> mozilla bug 515232
[17:22] <[reed]> micahg: no problem... I didn't know about that bug, or I could have had it fixed upstream a long time ago
[17:22] <[reed]> things like that, please just ping me personally :)
[17:22] <[reed]> especially Linux-specific stuff
[17:22] <micahg> [reed]: asac gave me the fix a while back, but I never had time to go back and test it
[17:22] <asac> micahg: have the full patch file?
[17:22] <asac> that diff is hard to read ;)
[17:23] <[reed]> don't count on asac to ever upstream anything :P
[17:23] <micahg> [reed]: no, I was supposed to upstream, but I had to test
[17:23] <micahg> I wrote one version of it, but it wasn't good enough
[17:23] <micahg> never got around to a second version as it was low priority
[17:24] <micahg> asac: looking
[17:25] <micahg> http://pastebin.com/f3a3b8ee2
[17:27] <asac_> back
[17:27] <asac_> had a busted net
[17:27] <asac_> micahg: ^^
[17:28] <asac_> didnt get anything after "looking"
[17:28] <micahg> asac http://pastebin.com/f3a3b8ee2
[17:28] <gnomefreak> asac_: what package does this come from in debian Debian-exim
[17:28] <gnomefreak> im getting errors on that
[17:30] <asac_> [reed]: can you check bugzilla bug 521780 ... and commit if it doesnt need more review?
[17:30] <[reed]> mozilla bug 521780
[17:30] <[reed]> looks good to me... I'll commit it
[17:30] <asac_> thx
[17:31] <asac_> asac@ubuntu.com
[17:31] <asac_> though i dont mind what you use ;)
[17:32] <asac_> also needs to go everywhere i guess ... bad bug not sure why you dont see that in upstream builds
[17:32] <asac_> or .. upstream users
[17:32] <asac_> maybe its really just hitting system extensions
[17:32] <micahg> [reed]: I've got crazy unicode issues with the 3.6b2 I built
[17:32]  * micahg guesses he should try upstream version
[17:34] <asac_> micahg: maybe if you do a hg diff ... the diff looks more similar to the one we previously hadß
[17:34] <asac_> ?
[17:34] <asac_> i have like:
[17:34] <asac_> .hgrc:
[17:34] <micahg> asac, the patch was only rebased
[17:34] <asac_> [diff]
[17:34] <asac_> git = 1
[17:34] <asac_> [defaults]
[17:34] <asac_> diff=-p -U 8
[17:34] <asac_> micahg: yes. but the quilt refresh made it harder to read from what i can tell
[17:35] <asac_> https://bug515232.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=399338
[17:35] <asac_> that one is so simple ;)
[17:36] <asac_> but i think its equivalent
[17:36] <micahg> this is what you gave me for quilt refresh: quilt refresh --diffstat -U8 --no-timestamps
[17:37] <asac_> yeah
[17:37] <fta> [reed], i noticed last week both at work and at home that sessions are broken
[17:37] <asac_> didnt say that you did something wrong
[17:37] <asac_> j9ust that quilt diff seems to suck ;)
[17:37] <micahg> I can't tell the difference between the two aside from the function name included
[17:38] <micahg> and iirc, there's a diff option for that as well
[17:38] <asac_> micahg: the difference is that the git diff keeps the + together where possible
[17:38] <asac_> and the quilt one mixes + and -
[17:39] <micahg> ah, I don;t have an hg checkout
[17:39] <gnomefreak> anyone know why im getting the following in my debian chroots?
[17:39] <gnomefreak> dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: syntax error: unknown group 'Debian-exim' in statoverride file
[17:39] <asac_> let me check
[17:39] <gnomefreak> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)
[17:40]  * asac_ pulls latest for moz central
[17:44] <asac> micahg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/314274/
[17:44] <asac> thats what hg made out of my diff
[17:44] <asac> if you want take that ... if not its fine to use what you ahd too
[17:46] <micahg> ok, I can take your patch
[17:46] <micahg> then everything else is fine?
[17:46] <micahg> I can delete the line from the install file?
[17:49] <[reed]> micahg: so, when the next nightly comes out, please test the spelling fix
[17:49] <[reed]> make sure it works
[17:49] <[reed]> :)
[17:54] <micahg> [reed]: ok
[17:54] <micahg> asac: it's ok to delete the line from the .install file though?
[17:56] <micahg> asac: it's ok to delete the line from the .install file though?
[17:58] <micahg> asac_: ^^^
[17:58] <asac_> 18:49 < asac> micahg: yes. thats what landed upstream, so i would say its ok
[17:58] <asac_> ok out for 2 hours or so
[18:59] <armin76> asac: around?
[18:59] <armin76> well, looks like i need to wait for around an hour :P
[18:59] <armin76> or...
[18:59] <armin76> fta: around? :)
[19:11] <fta> armin76, ?
[19:12] <fta> asac, did you review the patch? i want to respin 3.7, it's 3 days behind xul
[19:13] <armin76> fta: asac: nvm
[19:17] <armin76> jftr: systemsqlite+noxport+safebrowsing = yay
[19:18] <[reed]> sqlite's requirement was bumped again, if you all didn't notice
[19:18] <[reed]> <3
[19:19] <[reed]> sqlite requirement, I mean
[19:19] <[reed]> min version
[19:20] <armin76> 3.6.18?
[19:20] <[reed]> 3.6.20, I think
[19:20]  * [reed] looks
[19:20] <[reed]> mozilla bug 524144
[20:18] <micahg> fta: asac: 3.7 daily is fixed
[20:24] <asac> thx
[20:25] <fta> good, respinning
[20:26] <asac> jdstrand: ppa has a new feature that hits us bad ... the builds i uploaded this morning are still not built
[20:27] <asac> because we dont get parallel builds for ppas anymore
[20:27] <jdstrand> :/
[20:27] <asac> this time it was just 3.5 / 1.9.1
[20:27] <jdstrand> asac: I saw you talked about it-- is it getting fixed?
[20:27] <asac> jdstrand: i talked to bigjools
[20:28] <asac> after some talking he seems to be ok with the ratio approach instead of just allowing 1
[20:28] <asac> not sure when he will fix it
[20:29] <asac> he said "maybe in 7 days"
[20:29] <jdstrand> eek
[20:29] <asac> so seems 3.5.5 is tomorrow ... feel free to do some testing ;)
[20:30] <micahg> asac: can you look at bug 476129
[20:30] <jdstrand> asac: ok
[20:40] <fta> not a good time to add lucid to the dailies
[20:45] <armin76> asac: around?
[20:45] <armin76> asac: i have a workaround for sparc
[21:02] <bdrung> asac: how about releasing m-d 0.17.1?
[22:24] <micahg> asac: http://glandium.org/blog/?p=495
[22:26] <[reed]> lulz debian whining
[22:26] <[reed]> why am I not surprised
[22:29] <mconnor> I guess I lack context
[22:32] <[reed]> yeah, it's internal package intricacies with maintainer fields in the debian/control file
[22:32] <[reed]> all boils down to some Debian person hating Ubuntu
[22:32] <[reed]> and glandium just whining about Ubuntu :)
[22:39] <micahg> [reed]: have you seen anything about beta 2 having an issue with unicode?
[22:39] <micahg> 3.6b2
[22:40] <[reed]> unicode in what? just normal web pages?
[22:40] <[reed]> or something specific
[22:40] <micahg> stuff like ... becomes a block with code in it, and after a minute or so reverts to ...
[22:40] <[reed]> I have noticed that some icons on trunk are broken
[22:40] <[reed]> been meaning to file that
[22:40] <micahg> password blocks also look like a unicode card for a minute instead of a dot
[22:40] <[reed]> hmm
[22:40] <micahg> started after upgrade to beta 2
[22:41] <[reed]> password code was just recently touched
[22:41] <micahg> after a minute it's fine
[22:41] <[reed]> ok, let me find that bug
[22:46] <[reed]> mozilla bug 514212
[22:46] <[reed]> can you test builds before and after that landed?
[22:49] <micahg> [reed]: I don't think it's that
[22:49] <micahg> it's any non-ascii character
[22:49] <micahg> it's in the tabs and web [ages as well
[22:49] <micahg> *pages
[22:50] <[reed]> ah
[22:50] <[reed]> hmm
[22:50] <[reed]> well, find a regression range
[22:50] <[reed]> you know how this works :)
[22:54] <fta> micahg, I've got some unicode issues with trunk since last week
[22:56] <mconnor> [reed]: but why does the email address matter?
[22:56] <fta> even in tab or window title when the subject is truncated and the "..."  is a bloc with the unicode id in it
[22:56] <mconnor> it's... an email address
[23:05] <asac> bdrung: do we have anything to release?
[23:06] <bdrung> asac: the rc bug fix
[23:06] <bdrung> asac: therefore as point release
[23:08] <asac> micahg: [reed]: yeah. i dont know what his problem with an ubuntu address as maintainer is
[23:11] <asac> that said, i will revert the icedove address because our mailing list is a mess and we have to moderate all bugs
[23:13] <fta> asac, just added a comment to the ppa queue bug
[23:14] <bdrung> asac: should we change the maintainer for m-d, too?
[23:14] <micahg> [reed]: regression range is from b1 to b2 :)
[23:15] <asac> bdrung: i dont think so.
[23:15] <asac> its team maintained
[23:15] <asac> icedove is not
[23:15] <asac> i made the team the maintainer because at that point someone wanted to take care here
[23:15] <asac> but he disappeared
[23:18] <asac> fta: yes. i think bigjools agreed in the end that the 20% thing i suggested would be a good way
[23:18] <asac> until there is a real "fair scheduling algorithm available"
[23:18] <fta> should be 0%
[23:18] <fta> why waste builders?
[23:19] <fta> and then time
[23:19] <[reed]> micahg: yeah.....
[23:20] <fta> grrr, damn firefox
[23:20] <asac> fta: yes. the thing is that they dont like that a biulder will be blocked for 3 hours. personally i couldnt care less
[23:20] <micahg> [reed]: was just wondering if you saw something
[23:20] <micahg> I can research later
[23:20] <[reed]> that's a huge range ;p
[23:20] <[reed]> need a smaller range
[23:20] <fta> lost my session again
[23:20] <asac> but tried to find a suggestion that might make them feel better
[23:20] <asac> fta: dont close ff ;)
[23:20] <micahg> asac: none of the mozilla builds take 3 hrs AFAIK
[23:21] <fta> asac, if it was better at dealing with upgrades, i would never restart it
[23:24] <asac> hehe
[23:24] <asac> oh
[23:24] <asac> ok
[23:24] <asac> micahg: 3h is for chromium
[23:24] <asac> people filed a bug about "mozilla/chromium" taking all the buildd times
[23:24] <asac> then they started doing stupid things
[23:24] <asac> now i even have to wait ages till security ppa builds finish :(
[23:26] <[reed]> asac: should file a bug to revert that other bug
[23:26] <[reed]> sorry, but browsers are kinda important
[23:26] <micahg> [reed]: I filed a bug about it already
[23:26] <[reed]> bug #?
[23:26] <micahg> bug 478691
[23:27] <asac> [reed]: i already complained in person ... i think in 7 days there will be an improvement
[23:27] <micahg> asac: it seems like for openoffice and chromium they messed up everything else
[23:27] <asac> thats the next launchpad code push
[23:27] <asac> micahg: there are no openoffice dailies
[23:27] <micahg> yeah, but people can push to ppa
[23:27] <micahg> so it was just chromium that did this?
[23:27] <asac> its really just that folks looked at the queue and saw that chromium/mozilla dailies were taking their time
[23:28] <micahg> that's only 4 builds
[23:28] <asac> no
[23:28] <asac> mozill ahas more builds
[23:28] <fta> lots of people are pushing kernels
[23:28] <asac> but not dailies for multiple branches to all releases ;)
[23:28] <asac> i think its just the wrong impression ... my point was that with 3 builders per arch
[23:28] <fta> well, if it's the problem, i'll stop the bot, period
[23:28] <asac> even without mozilla/chromium the queue will be long
[23:29] <asac> fta: riht. thats why i said its just a impression. --- which was wrong
[23:29] <micahg> asac: mozilla daily is 28 builds, with 12+ builders per arch, that should take less than 2 hours
[23:29] <asac> micahg: 3 builders is all that are guaranteed
[23:29] <asac> that was the reason why all this shows up
[23:29] <asac> with 12 builders there is no problem
[23:30]  * micahg wants to add more dailies too :)
[23:31] <asac> so 3 builders are dedicated builders ... then there are 10 builders or so per arch that are owned by QA team ... they usually just hel pout
[23:31] <asac> but the 3 builders are not enough
[23:31] <asac> thats the whole point
[23:31] <[reed]> you all need more machines
[23:32] <[reed]> we have hundreds of build machines
[23:32] <[reed]> and we just make _one_ product
[23:32] <[reed]> :p
[23:32] <asac> true ;)
[23:32] <asac> but ppas previously didnt exist
[23:32] <asac> i mean like 2 years ago there was only archive
[23:33] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/builders
[23:33] <asac> Official distributions build status   VS PPA build status
[23:33] <asac> its kind of interesting that the "official builders" are enough
[23:33] <asac> but thats the case
[23:34] <asac> even though we have full imports etc.
[23:34] <[reed]> how do I get my launchpad to always use edge?
[23:34] <asac> [reed]: you need to be a member of launchpad beta
[23:34] <[reed]> can I just join that group?
[23:35] <asac> you need to apply and someone has to admit you.... i am not sure what the procedure is
[23:35] <asac> maybe fta knows?
[23:35] <micahg> https://edge.launchpad.net/~launchpad-beta-testers
[23:35] <micahg> anyone can join
[23:35] <asac> [reed]: try to join that team here: https://edge.launchpad.net/~launchpad-beta-testers
[23:36] <asac> oh its open nowadays
[23:36] <asac> good
[23:36] <asac> in the past it was kind of closed
[23:36] <asac> yeah
[23:36] <asac> so just join the team
[23:36] <[reed]> cool
[23:36] <asac> once you are in there and you dont want edge you can disable it for 2h on the main page
[23:36] <asac> like ... when things are too busted to be usable ;)
[23:37] <asac> https://launchpad.net/
[23:37] <asac> atm its kind of stable ... there were times where i almost shot myself because of major annoyances of beta stuff
[23:37] <micahg> there's actually a link at the bottom of every page now to disable redirect
[23:37] <asac> oh
[23:37] <asac> ;)
[23:37] <asac> good thing
[23:38] <micahg> asac: bugs...http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/qapkgstatus/firefox-3.5
[23:38] <[reed]> cool
[23:38] <asac> at least ffox 3.0 is stable now ;)
[23:38] <asac> http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/qapkgstatus/firefox-3.0
[23:38] <fta> should i kill the bot and redirect all the users to that bug?
[23:39] <micahg> fta: i don't think so, they still get built, right?
[23:39] <micahg> asac: well, it's not in karmic :)
[23:39] <asac> fta: as i said.... i already talked to him
[23:40] <asac> i think in 7 days it will be fixed
[23:40] <asac> most likely by the 20% thing until they feel more comfortable
[23:40] <fta> well, there's no more room for respins, and dailies are now tomorrows
[23:40] <asac> yes. but let it run and see if something changes
[23:41] <asac> if folks complain about the delay send them to bug
[23:41] <asac> if nothing changes, stop the bot
[23:41] <asac> though we wanted to move the mozilla stuff to separate ppas anyway now ...
[23:42] <asac> err last month
[23:42] <asac>  /me fails
[23:42] <asac> armin76: let me know what workaround you found ;)
[23:51] <fta> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/35444376/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-amd64.xulrunner-1.9.1_1.9.1.6~hg20091109r26560%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[23:51] <fta> took 7 hours just to get that :(
[23:51] <asac> yeah
[23:51] <asac> it was landed
[23:52] <asac> mozilla bug 499498
[23:53] <fta> ok, last answer clearly shows that dailies are no longer welcome
[23:53] <asac> err
[23:53] <asac> i read the mail that it was approved like 1 hour ago
[23:58] <asac> fta: William is not a launchpad developer etc.
[23:59] <[reed]> asac: he claims to be on his wiki
[23:59] <[reed]> :p