[00:08] <chrisccoulson> hey robert_ancell
[00:08] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, hey
[00:08] <chrisccoulson> how are you today?
[00:09] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, happy - the dentist said my teeth were good ;)
[00:09] <chrisccoulson> that's good:)
[00:09] <chrisccoulson> the last time I went to the dentist, they had to drill part of my jaw ;)
[00:09] <chrisccoulson> (to remove my lower wisdom teeth)
[00:10] <robert_ancell> ow
[00:10] <chrisccoulson> it was ok - they sedated me first :)
[00:23]  * TheMuso didn't need to get wisdom teeth removed, which is a good thing.
[00:26] <rickspencer3> poor robert_ancell :(
[00:27] <rickspencer3> he TheMuso
[00:31] <chrisccoulson> TheMuso - i wouldn't recommend having them removed ;)
[00:34] <TheMuso> chrisccoulson: Well since they are causing no issues, they will stay there.
[00:36] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's ok then. mine were causing issues, but i'm still not sure it was worth getting them removed
[00:47] <chrisccoulson> robert_ancell - i had a look at your PPA version of seahorse-plugins earlier, but there is still a call to seahorse_gconf_unnotify in the exit handler
[00:47] <chrisccoulson> i've done it a slightly different way, here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/314684/
[00:49] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, right.  It stopped the problem for me (I couldn't reproduce using xtrace bug killall -9 X did the trick).  I'm not convinced this patch is worth it however.
[00:51] <chrisccoulson> i think that normally, the patch would not be worth it, but we've broken launchpad with all the duplicates now (it seems that nobody can view the bug any more)
[00:52] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, yeah I though LP said they'd fixed the issue of unnecessarily notifying everyone of duplicates.  Apparently not
[00:52] <chrisccoulson> heh, it still notifies everyone. but worse than that, we seem to have hit a hard limit that stops anyone from viewing the bug now
[00:53] <chrisccoulson> (and prevents people from unsubscribing)
[00:54] <rickspencer3> hi robert_ancell, hi TheMuso
[00:54] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, hey rick
[00:54] <rickspencer3> so, I'll be on plane during the Easter Edition tomorrow
[00:54] <rickspencer3> :/
[00:55] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, mgmt starting UDS early again?
[00:55] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, no
[00:55] <rickspencer3> I'm attending the Dx sprint
[00:56] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, fun :)
[00:56] <rickspencer3> can't wait
[00:56] <rickspencer3> so, blueprints blueprints blueprints
[00:56] <rickspencer3> let's get 'em in order
[00:58] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, yeah it's a real mess
[00:58] <chrisccoulson> it is! so i'm not sure we'll get away without a SRU, and the update is fairly safe anyway
[01:00] <chrisccoulson> i think i'm nearly done with karmic SRU's
[01:00] <bryce> bleah wish I were
[01:01] <chrisccoulson> i've still got a g-s-d crash to investigate, and a gnome-screensaver regression to look at, but that's about it i think
[01:01] <bryce> I think I might be at a point where I should just move on to lucid, and backport stuff as fixes become available
[01:02] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's probably the best way
[01:02] <chrisccoulson> else you will still be working on karmic SRU's when lucid is released ;)
[01:04] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, it may be easier just to blacklist this stacktrace in apport
[01:04] <chrisccoulson> robert_ancell - yeah, maybe
[01:05] <robert_ancell> pitti, ^ can you look at this seahorse-applets problem and see if it makes more sense to ignore the crashes in apport?
[01:05] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, because there will probably be people who install from CD and will keep triggering this problem even if we SRU
[01:06] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's a good point. although, apport will be disabled when installing from the CD
[01:06] <chrisccoulson> anyway, i've hosted the patch at http://people.ubuntu.com/~chrisccoulson/seahorse-plugins%20SRU/seahorse-plugins_2.28.1-0ubuntu4.debdiff for now
[01:06] <chrisccoulson> i'm going to get some sleep in a bit:)
[01:08] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, cya tomorrow
[04:59] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, hi
[04:59] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, hey
[05:00] <rickspencer3> what exactly is moonvidia?
[05:00] <robert_ancell> did I spell it like that...
[05:00] <rickspencer3> and btw, looking at your blueprint additions, it occurs to me, we really only frozen bubble
[05:00] <rickspencer3> Moovida
[05:00] <rickspencer3> sorry
[05:00] <rickspencer3> ^only half joking about fb bty
[05:01] <rickspencer3> isn't there a multi-player for frozen bubble?
[05:01] <robert_ancell> It's a media centre.  So it's a full screen media player that's easier to use on a tv for instance
[05:01] <rickspencer3> does it do videos, music, etc...?
[05:01]  * rickspencer3 installs
[05:02] <rickspencer3> a bit bug?
[05:02] <rickspencer3> a bit big, even
[05:02] <robert_ancell> There is multiplayer for FB.  I was just looking at it then.  It doesn't integrate well into the desktop style though.  Not sure if we should be worried about that
[05:02]  * rickspencer3 notes to never type after kung fu class
[05:02] <robert_ancell> heh :)
[05:02] <rickspencer3> well, it's a really good game
[05:02] <robert_ancell> how big?
[05:02] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, yes, very addictive
[05:02] <rickspencer3> maybe we could make it work with telepathy?
[05:02] <rickspencer3> moovide required 24 megs
[05:03] <robert_ancell> due to dependencies or just core stuff?
[05:03] <rickspencer3> so moovid is for a media center pc?
[05:05] <robert_ancell> I was impressed when I tried a mac - they have it installed by default and it's handy if you want to browse easily, or you have a remote, or your plugged into a big screen tv
[05:05] <rickspencer3> yeah, but for a pc by default?
[05:05] <robert_ancell> yes
[05:05] <robert_ancell> on a macbook
[05:06] <robert_ancell> however moovida hasn't been super stable when I've tried previously (though that could be clutter)
[05:07] <robert_ancell> hmm, perhaps we should propose a webpage on ubuntu.com - "Tried Ubuntu, w
[05:07] <robert_ancell> "Want more software - here are some good ideas: gimp, moovida, ... or just search yourself in the app store"
[05:08] <rickspencer3> yeah
[05:08] <robert_ancell> that way we can recommend some more stuff without having it installed by default
[05:08] <rickspencer3> or the software center could suggest some tasty once
[05:09] <robert_ancell> yeah, as long as we can show a one page advertisement of "good stuff"
[05:09] <robert_ancell> kind of like a brochure
[05:10] <rickspencer3> hmmm
[05:10] <rickspencer3> you should totally do that
[05:10] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, you have a blog, no?
[05:10] <rickspencer3> you could do "app of the week" ;)
[05:10] <robert_ancell> yes, been meaning to start it up again.  I think a games survery may be the next post
[05:10] <robert_ancell> survey
[05:12] <robert_ancell> well, I think the "app of the week" has been done already by sites like gnomefiles.org etc.  I'm thinking more of a page that gets made for each release.  So for Lucid we recommend these apps
[05:12] <robert_ancell> ...
[05:12] <robert_ancell> and for M we recommend these apps
[05:12] <rickspencer3> hmmm
[05:12] <rickspencer3> double hmmmm
[05:12] <rickspencer3> seems very doable
[05:12] <rickspencer3> gots to run
[05:12] <robert_ancell> It's probably just what's on the DVD but not on the CD.  But make it easy for the CD users to see these applications
[05:12] <rickspencer3> yeah
[05:13] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, cool, have fun at the sprint and see you in Dallas!
[05:13] <rickspencer3> thanks robert_ancell looking forward to seeing you
[05:13] <rickspencer3> when do you get in?
[05:13] <robert_ancell> sunday some time.  It's on the Wiki
[05:13] <robert_ancell> 5pm
[05:14] <rickspencer3> cool
[05:14] <rickspencer3> see you then
[05:20] <serialorder> Every time I build a package I keep getting this difference in debian/control
[05:20] <serialorder> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/314836/
[05:21] <serialorder> it is due to the @GNOME@ in control.in and I am wondering if this is something I should be concerned with or ignore?
[05:21] <serialorder> oh sorry the diff isbetween the debian package and the ubuntu package I merged with it
[05:23] <jmarsden> serialorder: Sounds like your package builds debian/control from control.in each time, and that doesn't seem like something to worry about to me... but you might want to ask the MOTUs in #ubuntu-motu
[05:23] <serialorder> ok onto MOTU, thanks jmarsden
[05:24] <jmarsden> No problem.
[07:44] <pitti> Good morning
[07:44] <al-maisan> moin pitti
[07:56] <didrocks> hey pitti, al-maisan
[07:56] <al-maisan> hello didrocks :)
[08:00] <baptistemm> hello
[08:53] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[08:55] <baptistemm> bonjour chrisccoulson
[08:55] <chrisccoulson> hello baptistemm
[08:55] <chrisccoulson> how are you?
[08:56] <baptistemm> fine
[08:56] <baptistemm> tomorrow is a bank holiday
[08:56] <baptistemm> :)
[08:56] <chrisccoulson> excellent! do you have any plans?
[09:13] <chrisccoulson> hey pitti - did you see the conversation i had with robert_ancell last night in the scrollback, about seahorse-plugins?
[09:13] <pitti> chrisccoulson: yes, I did; I was about to create an apport bug pattern, but someone else already beat me to it
[09:13] <pitti> chrisccoulson: the main problem here was that apport did not get disabled on upgrades due to an update-manager bug (fixed in -updates now), so we got flooded with crash reports :-(
[09:14] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it seems that way. so, i'm not sure if we want to fix it or not
[09:14] <chrisccoulson> but i've got a patch which is fairly trivial
[09:15] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I'm fine with fixing it; biggest problem is that we can't use that bug any more, it keeps timing out :(
[09:15] <pitti> (for communication about teh SRU)
[09:15] <pitti> I used /+text :)
[09:15] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, i was wondering about that last night. it seems we broke lauchpad there ;)
[09:15] <chrisccoulson> did you see the patch?
[09:15] <chrisccoulson> i put it here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~chrisccoulson/seahorse-plugins%20SRU/
[09:16] <chrisccoulson> seeing as i could no longer attach it to the bug ;)
[09:18] <pitti> chrisccoulson: uploaded
[09:18] <pitti> thank you!
[09:18] <chrisccoulson> pitti - thanks:)
[09:25] <Zdra> Hi
[09:25] <Zdra> we have an issue in gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=578160
[09:25] <Zdra> it prevent MSN video call from empathy
[09:26] <Zdra> and jabber video call fails too if h264 is not installed
[09:26] <Zdra> the proposed patch fix the issue and is now included in debian package
[09:26] <Zdra> is it possible to get that into karmic too?
[09:26] <Zdra> I'm not sure were to ask such thing
[09:57] <pitti> Zdra: find/create an Ubuntu bug for it and request an SRU (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates)
[09:58] <huats> morning
[09:59] <cassidy> Zdra, I updated the pkg to the TP PPA for now
[10:39] <czajkowski> .c
[10:53] <pitti> Riddell: do you want to schedule the kubuntu BPs yourself? or want me to do it?
[11:06] <Riddell> pitti: I was going to look at that this morning
[11:07] <pitti> ok, cheers
[13:17] <chrisccoulson> pitti - it seems that there will be a fix to LP soon for the bug which makes bug 429322 time out, so we will be able to get user feedback hopefully
[14:37] <seb128> hello there
[14:38] <pitti> Bonjour, Monsieur Bacher!
[14:39] <seb128> hey pitti!
[14:41] <didrocks> hey seb128, not too jet lagged? :)
[14:41] <seb128> didrocks, hey, jet what?
[14:42] <seb128> I slept a bit in the plane, slept at 1am local
[14:42] <seb128> and the alarm clock woke me at 8am then
[14:43] <didrocks> ok so, should be ok ^^
[14:44] <seb128> didrocks, hey, I deal with timezones fine usually
[14:45] <jcastro> hi seb128
[14:45] <jcastro> seb128, I have your battery!
[14:45] <seb128> hey jcastro
[14:45] <seb128> jcastro, you rock! where are you?
[14:45] <seb128> jcastro, coming for uds or before?
[14:45] <jcastro> I don't get there until saturday
[14:45] <seb128> ok
[14:51] <kenvandine> hey seb128
[14:52] <seb128> hello kenvandine
[14:52] <czajkowski> morning folks
[14:52] <kenvandine> hey czajkowski
[14:53] <czajkowski> anyone want a google wave ac?
[14:53] <czajkowski> have 19 more to give away
[14:54] <kenvandine> i still need to figure out how to use mine :)
[15:02] <mac_v> czajkowski: i'd like , one :)
[15:02] <czajkowski> mac_v: just dm me @gmail.com address
[15:02] <czajkowski> and I'll send it
[15:02] <mac_v> czajkowski: cool , ok , thanks :)
[15:03] <czajkowski> np
[15:21] <rickspencer3> ccheney`, hello
[15:39] <seb128> hey there
[16:23] <rickspencer3> jcastro, can you let me know when you have the plenaries scheduled, please?
[16:23]  * rickspencer3 needs to plan
[16:24] <jcastro> rickspencer3, I was going to do it today
[16:25] <jcastro> rickspencer3, I'll do them right after lunch
[16:25] <jcastro> rickspencer3, you want yours all spaced out I assume?
[16:25] <rickspencer3> jcastro, hmm
[16:26] <rickspencer3> I think having the quickly one early would be good, because then we can have the sessions *after* it
[16:26] <jcastro> right
[16:26] <rickspencer3> but same with the launchpadlib one (which jml is doing)
[16:26] <jcastro> rickspencer3, you can just tell me what times you want it like the others: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-L/Plenaries
[16:26] <rickspencer3> actually, he's traveling atm, so maybe do his a bit later in the week
[16:28] <cj> hi folks
[16:29] <jcastro> rickspencer3, the ARM and freescale ones are the only ones tied to a set time, after I schedule them you have the scheduling rights to move them around if you'd like.
[16:29] <rickspencer3> jcastro, ok
[16:29] <rickspencer3> we'll talk after desktop team meeting
[16:29] <jcastro> since I have you here I sent an invite for a call with you and asac after the desktop meeting if you'd like
[16:29] <cj> so... for the Appearance Preference's Visual Effects dialogue... would you accept a patch to have the effect selection activated on an "Apply" button press instead?
[16:29] <jcastro> wrt. browsers
[16:30]  * cj is feeling a bit of UX pain
[16:30]  * ArneGoetje waves
[16:31] <rickspencer3> asac, ArneGoetje, bryce_ ccheney`kenvandine Riddell pitti tkamppeter desktop team meeting now, right?
[16:31] <pitti> yep
[16:31] <kenvandine> cj, i doubt anyone would be offended if you attach a patch to a bug
[16:31]  * kenvandine is here
[16:31] <rickspencer3> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2009-11-10
[16:31]  * rickspencer3 taps gavel
[16:32] <rickspencer3> are we ready? seems quiet
[16:32]  * rickspencer3 shoots pistols into air
[16:32] <Riddell> hi
[16:32] <asac> hi
[16:32] <rickspencer3> ^Dallas reference
[16:32] <pitti> rickspencer3: please rather shoot my MTA, so that it stops sending me mail
[16:32] <cj> kenvandine: alrighty.  where's the source?
[16:32] <cj> oh?  meeting.  sorry.
[16:32] <rickspencer3> np
[16:33] <pitti> <texas mode>Howdy, y'all
[16:33] <rickspencer3> MTA?
[16:33] <kenvandine> hehe
[16:33] <pitti> rickspencer3: mail server
[16:33] <rickspencer3> ah
[16:33] <rickspencer3> I was thinking something like "Mother In Law" but in German
[16:33] <rickspencer3> ok, moving on ...
[16:33] <rickspencer3> Performance Reviews ...
[16:34] <asac> "schwiegermutter" ;)
[16:34] <rickspencer3> did everyone (who is a Canonical employee) see the mail from HR today?
[16:34] <bryce_> morning
[16:34] <kenvandine> yes
[16:34] <ArneGoetje> yep
[16:34] <pitti> yes
[16:34]  * rickspencer3 reads
[16:34]  * asac checks
[16:34] <pitti> except that the current system doesn't actually allow me to do anything
[16:34] <pitti> does that work for anyone else?
[16:34] <rickspencer3> The deadline for completing all
[16:34] <rickspencer3> evaluations (individual and manager) is Friday 20 November.
[16:34] <ArneGoetje> haven't tried yet
[16:35] <rickspencer3> this means that *I* have to write all of the perf. reviews by Nov 20
[16:35] <rickspencer3> so .. please help me with this by getting your personal evaluation done by the end of this week
[16:35] <rickspencer3> please please please
[16:36] <rickspencer3> all this work overlaps perfectly with UDS, so I ask that you prioritize this so I don't end up behind the 8-ball
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[16:36] <pitti> rickspencer3: any fallback? like doing the eval in prose via mail for now?
[16:36] <kenvandine> will do
[16:36] <rickspencer3> pitti, please follow up with Alice
[16:36] <pitti> noted
[16:36] <rickspencer3> if you are having trouble with the system
[16:36] <rickspencer3> please note that Alice is well aware of the limitations ;)
[16:36] <asac> for me the new process feels odd ... without looking it seems like a step backward ;)
[16:37] <asac> but thats an unqualified comment ... just an imporession from the mails we got
[16:37] <tseliot> pitti: I had to submit my evaluation twice (losing the 1st one) but then it worked
[16:37] <pitti> Tasks:   0
[16:37] <pitti> I simply can't do anything
[16:37] <rickspencer3> oh well
[16:37] <bryce_> asac, I think it's true
[16:37]  * rickspencer3 looks to see if he countersigned pitti's objectives
[16:38] <kenvandine> pitti, that sounds like rickspencer3's fault :)
[16:38] <rickspencer3> anyway, as I say, please approach alice if you need help, and note that she is stuck working with the system for *everynone*
[16:38] <pitti> the countersigning for my goals failed with an error, I sent it to Alice
[16:38] <bryce_> asac, although it's still better than some systems I've used for reviews...
[16:38] <asac> good ;)
[16:38] <rickspencer3> it said I was done the last time I checked
[16:39] <rickspencer3> nope, it's not me
[16:39] <rickspencer3> okay, enough of that
[16:39] <rickspencer3> let us move on to important work
[16:39]  * rickspencer3 hands mic to pitti
[16:39] <pitti> so, UDS/lucid
[16:39] <kenvandine> yay!
[16:40] <pitti> as we discussed on last week's meeting, I collected requested BPs from everyone in our team, and some outside requests, and built https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+specs?searchtext=desktop
[16:40] <pitti> all of those are now also scheduled
[16:40] <pitti> so I have some collective tasks for you:
[16:40] <pitti> - check the list if you see anything missing which you'd like to talk about
[16:40] <pitti> if you have something, please contact me
[16:40] <tkamppeter> hi
[16:41] <pitti> - check https://blueprints.launchpad.net/people/+me/+specs?role=drafter to make sure that you are happy with the ones that you draft
[16:41] <pitti> those are the ones that YOU drive at UDS, both the session, and the specification writing
[16:41] <pitti> for those, you should ensure that you put in a meaningful summary
[16:41] <pitti> if you want extra bonus, already prepare a spec skeleton and put it into the wiki, and copy it into gobby.u.c. already, to avoid having to do this prep at the start of a session
[16:42] <pitti> so far I could avoid having too much parallelization of our track on summit.ubuntu.com
[16:42] <pitti> we still have some air left schedule-wise
[16:42] <pitti> (we are already over-booked development capacity wise, of course :) )
[16:43] <rickspencer3> *cough*
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[16:43] <kenvandine> of course
[16:43] <pitti> any questions wrt. planning, schedule, blueprints, procedures?
[16:43] <Riddell> I'm about to schedule our Kubuntu specs, hopefully there's room left for those?
[16:43] <pitti> Riddell: yes, lots of
[16:44] <pitti> Riddell: we have to parallelize with other desktop tracks, but that should work fine
[16:44] <pitti> Riddell: there's lots of GNOME specific stuff there
[16:45] <kenvandine> are we doing the room shuffling we did last year?
[16:45] <kenvandine> s/year/time/
[16:45] <pitti> kenvandine: yes, we do
[16:45] <kenvandine> ok
[16:46] <pitti> the current scheduler doesn't even allow me to put in two adjanced sessions of teh same track into one room
[16:46] <pitti> (not that I'm entirely happy with this approach, but *shrug*)
[16:46] <rickspencer3> room shuffling is a hard and fast requirement
[16:47] <pitti> that has the benefit that I could pick an appropriately-sized room for the predicted audience size
[16:47]  * bryce_ watches the X talks scheduled into the coat closet
[16:47] <pitti> bryce_: ?
[16:48] <bryce_> ;-)
[16:48] <rickspencer3> pitti, to clarify ...
[16:48] <pitti> bryce_: I didn't schedule the talks at all; not sure who does them
[16:48] <rickspencer3> if I want to add a session, do I just create a blueprint and then let you know?
[16:49] <pitti> rickspencer3: yes, just prod me on IRC with the link
[16:49] <rickspencer3> ok
[16:49] <rickspencer3> pitti, note that I can be a back up scheduler
[16:49] <bryce_> pitti, yeah just joking... we have scant few X people coming this UDS so I don't anticipate the X talks will be that exciting this time
[16:49] <rickspencer3> also, dbarth has scheduling rights this time around, as does Riddell
[16:50] <pitti> right, that's why the wiki page says "Tell pitti or rickspencer3 when you add a new one which needs accepting for uds-l and scheduling " :)
[16:50] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, your question about the dx team having a greeter blueprint, i think that is just because it was punted in karmic
[16:50] <rickspencer3> pitti, uh ... yeah, my question for didactic purposes, actually ;)
[16:50] <kenvandine> i don't think that means they think they are doing it for lucid
[16:50] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, ok, I need you to sort this out with them
[16:50] <kenvandine> it is just cruft
[16:50] <rickspencer3> and also Foundations
[16:50] <pitti> so, everyone bother rickspencer3 _first_ :)
[16:51] <kenvandine> hehe
[16:51] <pitti> j/k
[16:51] <rickspencer3> lol
[16:51] <rickspencer3> I don't care, in Barcelona it seems all I did was schedule
[16:51] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, you will be seeing dbarth tomorrow
[16:51] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, yes
[16:51] <rickspencer3> there are too many "boot" related blueprints, atm, I think we need to coordinate that better
[16:51] <kenvandine> he hasn't shown up online today
[16:52] <rickspencer3> robbiew is trying to boil it down, atm
[16:52] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, he is sprinting all week
[16:52] <kenvandine> ok, good
[16:52] <kenvandine> i know...
[16:52] <rickspencer3> pitti, all done?
[16:52] <pitti> rickspencer3: yep
[16:52] <rickspencer3> pitti, thanks for your tireless efforts getting this organized
[16:53] <rickspencer3> I feel quite good about our blueprints and schedule atm
[16:53] <rickspencer3> great job!
[16:53] <pitti> thanks!
[16:53] <rickspencer3> any other business?
[16:53]  * kenvandine feels much better about this time, last UDS was new to me
[16:54] <robbiew> kenvandine: rickspencer3: there are a lot of boot related blueprints to allow for tracking of work by different teams...but only two sessions on boot at UDS
[16:54] <robbiew> one for performance and the other for experience
[16:54] <kenvandine> robbiew, so perhaps there should be 2 blueprints
[16:54] <robbiew> I figure we can then discuss the individual work items in the session
[16:54] <rickspencer3> meh
[16:54] <rickspencer3> robbiew, thank you muchly
[16:55] <rickspencer3> ok
[16:55] <rickspencer3> all, see you in Dallas
[16:55] <kenvandine> you too, have a good trip!
[16:55] <rickspencer3> note that you will be issued boots, hat, and fringy leather jacket at customs
[16:55] <asac> eom?
[16:55] <robbiew> heh
[16:55] <robbiew> and dip
[16:55] <rickspencer3> please wear these at all times
[16:55] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, what about the belt buckle?
[16:55] <asac> hehe
[16:56]  * kenvandine needs to get a really huge one 
[16:56] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, if you do not have a buckle you will not be allowed into the country
[16:56] <pitti> do I say "howdy" or "y'all" to the customs officer?
[16:56] <rickspencer3> they should check this with your passport at your point of origin
[16:56] <kenvandine> pitti, both
[16:56] <rickspencer3> pitti, you say "yes sir" and "no sir"
[16:56] <rickspencer3> ;)
[16:56]  * rickspencer3 taps gavel
[16:57] <rickspencer3> thanks all!
[16:57] <ArneGoetje> thanks
[16:57] <asac> thx
[16:57] <pitti> thanks everyone
[16:57]  * rickspencer3 goes to airport soon
[16:57]  * kenvandine grabs a quick sandwich before working on perf review
[16:57] <pitti> I just discovered today that they put me into a different plane than the other German guys :-(
[16:57] <pitti> I initially thought it'd be the same plane and just a code share between AA and Lufthansa
[16:58] <pitti> but apparently they are really having two flights from Frankfurt to Dallas which both land at 1435 :(
[16:58] <kenvandine> wow
[16:58] <pitti> is that part of a secret "don't put the entire team into one plane" strategy?
[16:58] <kenvandine> hehe
[16:58] <kenvandine> risk management
[16:58] <bryce_> pitti, keeping the troublemakers apart
[16:58] <mvo> pitti: oh? a shame :/
[16:58] <pitti> what if the two planes fly so close to each other that they collide?
[16:58] <tkamppeter> pitti, AA and LH do not code-share, they are different groups.
[16:58]  * pitti sobs
[16:59] <pitti> well, at least we can meet in Dallas to share taxis, etc.
[16:59] <pitti> and you guys have the comfortable Airbus, I have a stone-old Boeing
[16:59] <pitti> :)
[16:59] <pitti> just wanted to say "looking forward to seeing you all again!"
[16:59] <pitti> (sorry, "y'all")
[17:00] <dobey> heh
[17:06] <chrisccoulson> have fun everyone ;)
[17:15] <rickspencer3> pitti, what's the single best link to provide for someone to see Lucid Desktop blueprints?
[17:17] <asac> maybe this: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu?searchtext=lucid+desktop
[17:19] <asac> pitti: afaik AA is the airline with most space per seat ;) (i read that in some test)
[17:20] <dobey> i'm pretty sure that was a lie
[17:20] <asac> well ... i think that was just about US airlines ;)
[17:20] <dobey> or a very old test
[17:22] <asac> http://www.cheapflug.de/reisetipps/beinfreiheit-im-flugzeug/
[17:22] <asac> that one suggests that it varies a lot ;)
[17:22] <asac> 79 cm-89 cm
[17:22] <asac> i think i read those 89cm
[17:22] <asac> which is indeed the highest number on that page afaict
[17:22] <asac> oh air india has 91cm as top
[17:23] <asac> LH has 81cm ... so changes are high that there is more space in AA ;)
[17:23] <asac> assuming some kind of reasoanble distribution
[17:24] <dobey> as far as i know, they're all too small
[17:24] <dobey> i might have to upgrade myself for the second leg of my flight :)
[17:25] <asac> yeah. but every centimeter counts ;)
[17:25] <asac> i want a bed ;)
[17:25] <hggdh> well, if it happens any... I fly a lot on AA. They suck on space for legs
[17:26] <hggdh> s/happens/helps/
[17:26] <seb128> hey again
[17:26] <rickspencer3> seb128
[17:26] <rickspencer3> salut!
[17:26] <seb128> did I miss the meeting?
[17:26] <asac> hggdh: well. everyone sucks ;) ... question is if they suck more
[17:26] <seb128> anything interesting?
[17:26] <seb128> rickspencer3, lut!
[17:26] <dobey> asac: well, there's a reason i have a 5.6" laptop :)
[17:26] <asac> i am sure UA is the worst i was on ;)
[17:26] <bryce_> seb128, not really... you got a lot of action items, but besides that...
[17:26] <seb128> rickspencer3, comment ca va?
[17:26] <seb128> bryce_, heh ;-)
[17:26] <rickspencer3> bien, merci
[17:26] <hggdh> asac: my experience is most of the American companies (except for Southwest) suck more than Europeans on leg space
[17:26] <asac> besides from some thailand airline which i would not put in the calculation ;)
[17:26] <rickspencer3> et tois?
[17:27] <seb128> toi
[17:27] <seb128> bien, merci
[17:27] <asac> hi seb128 ;)
[17:27] <seb128> I got over jet lag in 0 day
[17:27] <seb128> slept a bit in the plane, stayed until 1am
[17:27] <bryce_> seb128, actually a) do perf review asap; b) let pitti know of any missing blueprints asap#2
[17:27] <asac> how is sprint going? or just arrived?
[17:27] <seb128> and woke up with the alarm clock at 8
[17:27] <seb128> bryce_, thanks
[17:27] <rickspencer3> seb128, tu n'es fatigue pas?
[17:27] <seb128> asac, arrived yesterday afternoon, good so far, got only one session
[17:28] <seb128> rickspencer3, non, j'ai bien dormis
[17:28]  * rickspencer3 is really struggling without the book
[17:28] <asac> sounds like holiday then :-P
[17:28] <rickspencer3> bon!
[17:28] <seb128> rickspencer3, "bien"
[17:29] <rickspencer3> bien!
[17:29] <rickspencer3> chouette!
[17:29] <seb128> rickspencer3, seems you have a hard time between bon and bien for good :-)
[17:29] <rickspencer3> oui
[17:29] <seb128> rickspencer3, tu arrives quand pour le sprint?
[17:30] <rickspencer3> esa sur
[17:30] <rickspencer3> ???
[17:30] <seb128> esa?
[17:30] <seb128> when do you arrive there?
[17:30] <rickspencer3> neuf heurs moins dix
[17:30] <seb128> there = Dallas
[17:31] <seb128> ok
[17:31] <rickspencer3> ^ seb128 correct way to say 10 till nine?
[17:31] <rickspencer3> REMINDER: tomorrow is US holiday!!
[17:31] <seb128> yes
[17:32] <seb128> you just lack a e at "heure"
[17:33] <kenvandine> HuNannyYumYum, how is the hackfest?
[17:33] <seb128> tomorrows is a french holiday too
[17:34] <HuNannyYumYum> kenvandine: AWESOME
[17:34] <seb128> but it looks like I will be working ;-)
[17:34] <kenvandine> HuNannyYumYum, you coming to UDS?
[17:35] <HuNannyYumYum> kenvandine: sadly no
[17:35] <HuNannyYumYum> kenvandine: i got visa issues
[17:35] <kenvandine> bummer
[17:35] <HuNannyYumYum> but thekorn "MArkus Korn" from the zeitgeist engine side will be there
[17:35] <HuNannyYumYum> so other tha missing a good time with me
[17:36] <kenvandine> :)
[17:36] <HuNannyYumYum> u wotn miss anything
[17:36] <kenvandine> HuNannyYumYum, your always fun to hang out with
[17:36] <HuNannyYumYum> kenvandine: i can only say the same abotu u
[17:36] <HuNannyYumYum> :)
[17:39] <asac> Riddell: do you know the suse guy who worked on those patches?
[17:39] <asac> e.g. where can i meet him on irc ;)
[17:41] <Riddell> asac: firefox patches?  that'll be llunak
[17:42] <Riddell> asac: who will be on #kde-devel where I believe you also hang out :)
[17:43] <asac> hmm ... i think i am not in there anymore since i closed my irc
[17:43] <asac> let me join
[17:43] <asac> oh ... i am in there indeed ;)
[17:43] <asac> hehe
[17:44] <asac> ETOOMANYCHANNELS
[17:53] <asac_> seb128: libseed0 depending on gobject-introspection ... makes sense?
[17:54] <asac_> in any case ... seems like that has recommends on a bunch of -dev packages
[17:54] <asac_> which definitly feels wrong
[17:54] <asac_> e.g. dyfet observed that installing epiphany pulls in a bunch of -dev packages ;)
[17:54] <seb128> both seems right
[17:54] <seb128> I don't think the depends are wrong
[17:55] <seb128> the issue is probably in the js stack
[17:55] <asac_> seb128: so you say its sane to install a bunch of -dev packages if you apt-get install epiphany?
[17:55] <seb128> things are loading the .so
[17:55] <asac_> for me the -dev packages as recommends definitly feel wrong
[17:55] <seb128> no, I say it's because the code does dump thing
[17:55] <seb128> like opening libsomething.sop
[17:55] <seb128> .so
[17:55] <asac_> which code does that?
[17:55] <seb128> not sure
[17:56] <seb128> but we had the same issue with gnome-shell when packaging it
[17:56] <asac_> that should open the properly so versioned file instead
[17:56] <seb128> I didn't spend time to investigate
[17:56] <asac_> kk
[17:56] <seb128> things in the js and introspection stack
[17:56] <seb128> I think they introspect the .so
[17:56] <seb128> easier than tracking a changing soname I guess there
[18:07] <seb128> pitti, oh come on
[18:07] <seb128> bug #393534 is an obvious upstream fix
[18:07] <seb128> and asac overwrite the change grat
[18:07] <seb128> great
[18:07] <asac_> seb128: i pushed for that because the comments were only negatice
[18:07] <seb128> f***k
[18:08] <seb128> I stop doing any SRU this cycle
[18:08] <seb128> I'm really annoyed now
[18:08] <asac_> come on ...
[18:08] <seb128> seriously
[18:08] <seb128> I'm really really unhappy about how we handle SRUs
[18:08] <seb128> I worked late last week to get fixes in before traveling
[18:08] <seb128> and because some user didn't confirm it was its exact issue we just drop the work
[18:08] <seb128> grrrreat
[18:08] <asac_> right. it was a miscommunication thing
[18:08] <seb128> make me want to do work
[18:09] <asac_> shit happens
[18:09] <asac_> the current fix can go in quick because its a safe thing
[18:09] <seb128> sru policy are getting ridiculous
[18:09] <asac_> i will upload it again if that makes you happier
[18:09] <seb128> the one I uploaded was a one liner
[18:09] <seb128> and was coming from upstream
[18:09] <seb128> and obvious too
[18:10] <seb128> I'm angry enough that I should close IRC and go to something else now
[18:10] <asac_> seb128: ok. so what i saw was a) its a low importance bug ... and b) no positive comments at all
[18:10] <asac_> so blame me ...
[18:10] <seb128> it's not how importance, it's a well known issue leading to the default mail client hanging when there is a file with an email to display
[18:11] <seb128> it might not be end of the world but seems something to fix before a warning displayed in some log
[18:11] <asac_> yes. but then the bug should not have been low
[18:11] <seb128> right
[18:11] <seb128> I tend to no bother too much with settings
[18:12] <seb128> but it's not reason to drop my work on the floor while I'm travelling
[18:12] <seb128> that could have waited until I show up there
[18:12] <asac_> right. but it was set and made me believe it was not really important if it takes another few days. the XID thing really caused real issues for some filling up full /home partition etc.
[18:12] <seb128> as you want
[18:12] <asac_> no ... i agree it was maybe not the right thing to do
[18:12] <seb128> I don't get why you didn't queue 2 changes
[18:12] <seb128> the one liner was a non issue
[18:13] <asac_> that was a misguidance by folks saying its not fixed
[18:13] <seb128> alright
[18:13] <asac_> i dont think the current upload needs to wait long ... i can talk to pitti and see if we can get that out tomorrow
[18:13] <seb128> still pretty annoyed
[18:13] <asac_> sure. understand that
[18:13] <seb128> and I'm not in the best setup to do srus now
[18:13] <seb128> since I'm travelling
[18:14] <asac_> yes. i will do that
[18:14] <seb128> thanks
[18:14] <asac_> for you
[18:14] <asac_> that was always the deal
[18:14]  * seb128 hugs asac
[18:14] <seb128> it was not the deal from the bug comment I got from pitti
[18:14] <asac_> the least i can do
[18:14] <asac_> oh sorry.
[18:14] <asac_> we discussed that we can requeue it right after
[18:15] <asac_> and of course i would just do that if you are not at home
[18:15] <seb128> thanks
[18:15] <asac_> but pitti usually just posts his templates
[18:15] <seb128> well he said the change got superseded by yours
[18:15] <asac_> so thats probably why it felt like it was ultimately denied
[18:15] <seb128> and need to be "fixed" and reuploaded
[18:15] <asac_> no .. thats wrong
[18:15] <seb128> but I don't see what I can "fix" there
[18:16] <asac_> i think thats wrong wording ... i think he meant: replaced to fast path it
[18:16] <seb128> ok
[18:28] <pitti> rickspencer3: I use https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+specs?searchtext=desktop
[18:29] <pitti> seb128: sorry, but it wasn't about "users didn't confirm it", it was "users confirmed that it doesn't help"
[18:30] <seb128> pitti, random users who might have a different issue
[18:30] <pitti> seb128: well, the work isn't lost, it can always be reapplied, but what would it bring if it doesn't actually help to fix the hang?
[18:30] <seb128> we have 3 bugs which look similar
[18:30] <seb128> the ones asac did work on which were engine ones
[18:30] <seb128> the gtk issue
[18:30] <seb128> and seems there is an another one
[18:30] <seb128> the fix was a one liner correct change
[18:30] <seb128> it doesn't fix 3 cases
[18:30] <seb128> and it's easy to get users confused and commenting on the wrong bug
[18:31] <seb128> it doesn't mean the fix is not correct
[18:31] <pitti> right, I didn't say that the fix was wrong, but apparently far from sufficient?
[18:31] <seb128> what I'm unhappy about is that it leads to have a correct update dropped without ping before
[18:31] <seb128> as said there is several issues
[18:31] <seb128> theme engine, gtk and evo
[18:32] <seb128> while this one is not fixing all issues it was fixes a part of the those
[18:32] <seb128> that's like usb device mounting
[18:32] <seb128> you have often different bugs and users commenting on the wrong one
[18:32] <pitti> so, want me to reupload that bug and ask people to test again?
[18:32] <seb128> because they think that's the issue they have, their usb key is not mounting either
[18:33] <seb128> no that's ok
[18:33] <seb128> asac will do after the current one goes in
[18:33] <pitti> ok
[18:33] <seb128> what I'm unhappy about is that nobody waiting for me to be around
[18:33] <seb128> and just dropped the work on the floor
[18:34] <pitti> I'm sorry about that; we should have handled that differently then
[18:35] <seb128> that's ok I sorted that with asac
[18:35]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[18:35] <seb128> bugs are just getting on my nerves this week
[18:35] <seb128> I've been doing almost only bug reading since karmic
[18:36]  * pitti hugs back seb128; sorry again, we tried to find the best decision while you weren't online
[18:36] <seb128> and I started my laptop there to have an 900 email backlog and first thing I see today is that my sru got dropped on floor
[18:36] <pitti> yeah, I can feel it; I spend hours on them these days, too
[18:36] <seb128> I find sru to be time sinks atm
[18:37] <pitti> heh, tell me :)
[18:37]  * pitti looks at gtimelog -- 9.5 hours for SRU processing last week, hmm
[18:38] <pitti> must be post-release time
[18:39] <seb128> we should make srus easier ;-)
[18:39] <seb128> joke aside we need to fix this issue or users commenting on random bugs and undermining correct work
[18:40] <pitti> we could require SRUs to be verified by QA team, but that would do exactly the opposite of "easier"
[18:40] <pitti> we got some 50 SRUs through the process since the release
[18:40] <pitti> of which maybe 10 or less were verified by QA
[18:41] <pitti> I think we have to rely on user testing
[18:41] <seb128> right
[18:41] <seb128> we should not let a random user comment about the change not working as expected be enough to decline the update
[18:42] <seb128> there is always cases where users didn't install the update correctly
[18:42] <seb128> or comment at the wrong place
[18:42] <seb128> or didn't restart their software before testing etc
[18:42] <pitti> oh, it wasn't "decline", rather "postponed"
[18:42] <bryce_> seb128, I share your pain.  Try working on srus for proprietary video driver issues.  Ugghhh
[18:42] <pitti> I didn't take the comment as "it regresses" or so
[18:42] <seb128> pitti, well you comment say to "fix and reupload"
[18:42] <tgpraveen1> can someone confirm that it is a bug that if I have set up a google calendar in evolution and then each time I start my computer I get asked for my computer password by a keyring dialog so that it can access the credentials for the calendar
[18:43] <seb128> tgpraveen1, it's not a bug
[18:43] <seb128> tgpraveen1, you need to unlock the keyring to have those in the calendar applet
[18:43] <pitti> seb128: "reupload and fix the remaining cases later" is also valid
[18:43] <seb128> pitti, anyway let's not spend extra time on that
[18:43] <seb128> incident closed
[18:43] <seb128> next time please wait for me to be around before dropping an update I worked on ;-)
[18:44]  * seb128 hugs asac and pitti
[18:44] <pitti> ok
[18:44] <pitti> *hugs back*
[18:44] <tgpraveen1> seb128: hmm but why is it not done automatically I don't see any security issue( it wasn't like this in jaunty?) also why isn't there a always remember or something
[18:44] <chrisccoulson> tgpraveen1 - i seem to remember that you asked me exactly the same question last week
[18:44] <chrisccoulson> but with network manager
[18:44] <seb128> tgpraveen1, if the keyring was auto-unlockable without your password it would not be secure
[18:45] <pitti> tgpraveen1: I doubt that it behaved any different in previous releases
[18:45] <seb128> the point of having a keyring is that unlock require an information you are the only one to have
[18:45] <pitti> seb128: btw, I fixed the retracer bug about the InterpreterPath/ExecutablePath; those are just closed as invalid now
[18:45] <seb128> otherwise anybody could run a program reading your passwords in a programmatic way
[18:45] <pitti> ^ IOW, you wouldn't need a keyring or passwords in the first place
[18:45] <seb128> pitti, oh good, I see you restarted those often during the weekend, thanks
[18:46] <tgpraveen1> chrisccoulson: yes that was with NM. karmic is giving me too many probs and nagging dialogs :-(
[18:46] <pitti> seb128: that, too, but on Monday I fixed it properly; they still crash due to gateway errors, etc., though
[18:46] <pitti> speaking of which, they just crashed again; /me pokes
[18:46] <pitti> HTTP Error 503: Service Temporarily Unavailable
[18:46] <pitti> yay
[18:46] <chrisccoulson> tgpraveen1 - but its the same thing, and i seem to remember that i gave you a similar answer to the one that seb128 just gave you
[18:46] <tgpraveen1> seb128: could you tell me why the calendar needs a keyring at all? is calendar information considered so important that it has to be secured separately?
[18:47] <chrisccoulson> tgpraveen1 - your google password is stored in the keyring
[18:47] <seb128> tgpraveen1, your google account infos are considered private yes
[18:47] <seb128> so they are stored in the keyring
[18:47] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128 :)
[18:47] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson
[18:47] <tgpraveen1> chrisccoulson: with evolution I wasn't sure if it was a bug or not . as I still don't understand why its being done
[18:47] <chrisccoulson> how was your travelling?
[18:47] <seb128> chrisccoulson, how are you doing? still no baby?
[18:47] <pitti> chrisccoulson: !
[18:47] <seb128> chrisccoulson, good thanks
[18:47] <pitti> baby?
[18:47] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - no baby yet. my girlfriend is getting very bored now
[18:47] <seb128> I managed to sleep in the plane a bit
[18:48] <seb128> stayed until 1am
[18:48] <seb128> and woke up at 8am
[18:48] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, we have a baby on the way ;)
[18:48] <seb128> thanks to my alarm clock I would have overslept
[18:48] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - do you adjust well to the change in time zone?
[18:48] <tgpraveen1> seb128: hmm so well I am using automatic login and I think that is the reason for all these keyring dialogs, but I don't want to enter the password so many many times is why I went for auto login. I mean I fi wanted more security I would used the login with password.
[18:48] <seb128> apparently yes
[18:49] <tgpraveen1> is there a way to reduce the security level or something?
[18:49] <seb128> tgpraveen1, you need to unlock the keyring once
[18:49] <pitti> chrisccoulson: that's wonderful! I wish you two (three) all the best!
[18:49] <seb128> you can set an empty password for the keyring
[18:49] <chrisccoulson> pitti - thanks :)
[18:49] <seb128> or have several keyrings and one without password
[18:49] <tgpraveen1> seb128: once for each avtivity. once when it boots up for evolution.once for NM when connecting to net.etc
[18:49] <seb128> no
[18:50] <seb128> you need to unlock the keyring once
[18:50] <seb128> the first application requesting access will do that
[18:50] <seb128> then you can use it from other desktop components
[18:50] <seb128> it's unlocked
[18:50] <tgpraveen1> once when mounting local hdds
[18:50] <seb128> that's not keyring
[18:50] <seb128> that's polkit authorization
[18:50] <tgpraveen1> seb128: hmm ok I think it asks multiple times I will have to verify that
[18:50] <seb128> those are equivalent to sudo prompts we had before
[18:51] <seb128> they ask your user password to run priviledged actions
[18:51] <seb128> not to have access to your passwords
[18:51] <tgpraveen1> seb128: ok. I had this discusion with chrisccoulson before and basically in jaunty it never asked for password when mounting local hdds and now I formatted and reinstalled karmic and it asks
[18:51] <kenvandine> robbiew_, i just switched to the boot ppa... the difference in I/O wait is huge
[18:51] <seb128> different issue than the keyring one
[18:52] <seb128> it's the polkit-1 switch
[18:52] <tgpraveen1> seb128: chrisccoulson couldn't figure out the reason why.
[18:52] <chrisccoulson> tgpraveen1 - the policy hasn't changed from jaunty -> karmic though, so you probably changed the policy in jaunty
[18:52] <chrisccoulson> the policy has always been to require authorization to mount internal media
[18:52] <pitti> kenvandine: tested the bits in karmic-proposed, too? (for SRU feedback)
[18:52] <seb128> you probably use the editor to allow those without password in jaunty
[18:52] <kenvandine> pitti, well i tried... but it was held back
[18:52] <kenvandine> pitti, i can try that too
[18:52] <tgpraveen1> seb128: ok. and why is this desired behaviour ? to ask my passwd for local media? as an eg USB drives mount automatically
[18:53] <pitti> tgpraveen1, chrisccoulson, seb128: FYI, that's bug 465054
[18:53] <seb128> that's a pitti's question
[18:53] <tgpraveen1> pitti: thanks
[18:54] <pitti> it's not really a desired change, just happens to be that way right now
[18:55] <chrisccoulson> pitti - thanks
[18:56] <chrisccoulson> so the issue is exposed by the loss of checkbox to retain authorization in karmic?
[18:58] <pitti> pretty much, yes
[18:58] <pitti> just discussing that with davidz in #udev
[18:59] <seb128> lunch bbl
[19:00] <tgpraveen1> hmm about that google calendar in evolution asking for my dialog. so I gave my google password to evolution and asked to remember it. it used keyring to store it. then why does it need my permission to get the keyring now. shouldn't it automatically get the keyring and use the password. I mean if the password isn't shown to anyone, then how is it a security risk?
[19:00] <chrisccoulson> tgpraveen1 - the keyring has to be unlocked
[19:01] <chrisccoulson> it is unlocked by default by your log in password
[19:01] <chrisccoulson> we've been through this already ;)
[19:01] <chrisccoulson> if you're using auto-login, then you must unlock your keyring manually by specifying the keyring password
[19:01] <chrisccoulson> unless your keyring has no password
[19:03] <tgpraveen1> chrisccoulson: ii know we discussed this earlier. but I still don't get why this was designed in this manner
[19:03] <tgpraveen1> don't you agree that it is a bug / badly designed mechanism
[19:03] <chrisccoulson> so your passwords are stored securely?
[19:04] <tgpraveen1> ? or am I the only one seeing it that way.
[19:04] <chrisccoulson> i don't agree that it is badly designed
[19:04] <chrisccoulson> i want my passwords to be encrypted on disk, so not everyone can read them. that's not a badly designed mechanism
[19:05] <tgpraveen1> so um store it securely , then the software should retrieve it securely and not bug the user and ask him for something for which he has already said explicitly to remember the passwords and do
[19:05] <tgpraveen1> eeverything automatically
[19:05] <chrisccoulson> it DOES retrieve it securely, but the keyring must be unlocked to retrieve your stored password from it
[19:06] <chrisccoulson> if your keyring isn't unlocked, then you have to unlock it with the keyring password
[19:06] <chrisccoulson> i don't know how else to explain it any more :(
[19:07] <tgpraveen1> um ok so then the ques is why lock the keyring on the user password at all. why not just make application which created the keyring ie evolution here be the only one who can access it
[19:07] <tgpraveen1> ie when I am logged in then evolution can access the keyrings created
[19:07] <chrisccoulson> because there is no way to verify what application is accessing the keyring
[19:08] <tgpraveen1> by me . that should be the info reqd to unlock the keyring not my login password
[19:08] <chrisccoulson> the keyring is either locked or unlocked
[19:08] <chrisccoulson> you need to specify credentials to unlock the keyring. normally, this is your log in password. if you're doing auto-login, then that won't work
[19:08] <chrisccoulson> i can't think of any other way to describe it now
[19:08] <tgpraveen1> hmm ok.i guess we should leave at this for today
[19:09] <tgpraveen1> thanks for trying to explain :-)
[19:11] <kenvandine> pitti, ok kernel and ureadahead from -proposed seem fine here
[19:11] <kenvandine> pitti, which bug should i verify that on?
[19:12] <robbiew> kenvandine: you can thank Keybuk and apw ;)
[19:12] <kenvandine> :)
[19:12] <kenvandine> they rock!
[19:12] <kenvandine> when it hits 33s the disk goes nearly idle
[19:13] <pitti> kenvandine: ureadahead: bug 432089 , kernel: 462111
[19:13] <kenvandine> before the disk was pegged right up to 65s
[19:14] <kenvandine> which of course made the desktop load chunky even after xsplash hides
[19:14] <kenvandine> now it is nice and smooth :)
[19:30] <pitti> there, passwordless internal fs operations for admins
[19:30] <pitti> chrisccoulson, tgpraveen1 ^
[19:31] <tgpraveen1> pitti: you fixed it? is it released?
[19:31] <tgpraveen1> thnaks
[19:31] <tgpraveen1> thanks even
[19:32] <pitti> http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-utopia/devicekit-disks.git;a=commit;h=2164f8212a17a3f4ed08ca64411d3cbbec5594b9
[19:32] <pitti> no, not uploaded yet
[19:34] <tgpraveen1> yay!
[19:35] <mac_v> pitti: you rock ;) ...
[19:35] <pitti> well, three weeks too late :)
[19:35] <pitti> but lucid, guys, lucid!
[19:36] <mac_v> pitti: can we backport it?
[19:36] <pitti> technically yes, but it's not exactly a small change
[19:36] <mac_v> or me now more eager to use Lucid :)
[19:37] <pitti> well, it's small in terms of patch size, but it uses code paths that were never really exercised in karmic
[19:42] <mac_v> pitti: if we just manually add the .pkla to the /var/lib/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d/ it should work on karmic too ? or , even that is not possible
[19:43] <pitti> mac_v: oh, that will work just fine; it's pretty much what the patch is doing
[19:44] <mac_v>  awesome...
[19:46] <mac_v> heh , no restart required even ... works like a charm \o/
[19:48] <pitti> yes, each change to the file becomes active immediately
[19:49] <mac_v> hehe , i was having a redundant .pkla... and was wondering why it dint work ... doh! it was the wrong "Action"
[19:50]  * mac_v hopes the systems get smarter in future to recognize user redundancy ;p
[20:06]  * tgpraveen1 too wishes for it to available for karmic. can't upgrade to lucid for quite some time 
[20:07] <mac_v> tgpraveen1: it works in karmic , just add the .pkla file and it is done
[20:08] <mac_v> tgpraveen1: i just added it and i didnt have to do anything else
[20:11] <tgpraveen1> mac_v: ok. thanks.will have to do that
[21:46] <rickspencer3> seb128, my flight is slightly delayed
[21:46] <rickspencer3> I should arrive at  the hotel around dix heure et medi
[21:46] <seb128> rickspencer3, oh? when you arrived then?
[21:47]  * rickspencer3 hopes he said 10:30
[21:47] <seb128> demi you mean?
[21:47] <rickspencer3> oops
[21:47] <seb128> yes
[21:47] <seb128> ok
[21:49] <jcastro_> rickspencer3: your plenaries are scheduled
[21:50] <rickspencer3> jcastro_ nice
[21:50] <rickspencer3> note that the launchpadlin one will be presented by jml
[21:51] <jcastro_> I didn't put the presenter on there
[21:51] <jcastro_> there are many that are "it'll be foo, but if he's not around it will be bar." sessions
[21:51] <jcastro_> also, we have 2 sessions free on friday
[21:51] <jcastro_> might just do 30 minutes of lightning talks with no slids
[21:51] <jcastro_> basically, me passing around the mic
[21:52] <rickspencer3> jcastro_ do we have round up scheduled for Friday?
[21:52] <jcastro_> since it's friday it will be a good opportunity to get people to talk about their little bit 'o lucid
[21:52] <jcastro_> yep
[21:52] <fagan> rickspencer3: The Opportunistic Programmer sessions are for quickly right?
[21:52] <rickspencer3> fagan, yes
[21:52]  * rickspencer3 flexes demo muscles
[21:52] <fagan> Cool
[21:53]  * fagan loves a good demo
[21:53] <rickspencer3> good morning robert_ancell
[21:54] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, hey, stuck in airport?
[21:54] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, yeah, flight is a little delayed
[21:57] <TheMuso> Hey rickspencer3, robert_ancell.
[21:57] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, morning
[21:58] <seb128> hey robert_ancell
[21:58] <rickspencer3> good morning TheMuso
[21:59] <rickspencer3> huh, guess we could have done the Easter Edition after all
[21:59] <robert_ancell> seb128, hey up late again :)
[21:59] <seb128> robert_ancell, hey, no, in Dallas already now
[22:00] <seb128> joining dxteam sprint
[22:00] <rickspencer3> seb128 is making crack with Dx team
[22:00] <robert_ancell> seb128, sweet
[22:00] <seb128> rickspencer3, sshhhhh don't ruin my reputation, I told robert_ancell I would stop crack this cycle
[22:00] <seb128> ;-)
[22:00]  * robert_ancell adds dallas to his already overloaded clock applet.  Need more vertical resolution
[22:00] <rickspencer3> oops
[22:01] <rickspencer3> d'oh, I forgot my GPS puck :(
[22:02] <rickspencer3> would have been good for the geo-clue session
[22:02] <seb128> I don't need we need lot of testing there
[22:02] <seb128> we just need to discuss what we can do with geo-clue
[22:03] <rickspencer3> but it would have been fun
[22:03] <rickspencer3> sensors + computer + API = fun
[22:04] <seb128> hehe
[22:18] <pitti> robert_ancell: hey, good morning
[22:18] <robert_ancell> pitti, hey, did you look at this seahorse-applet issue?
[22:18] <rickspencer3> hi pitti
[22:18] <pitti> robert_ancell: there's an apport bug pattern for it now, and a patch in -proposed
[22:18] <pitti> (thanks to chrisccoulson)
[22:19] <robert_ancell> pitti, excellent
[22:19] <chrisccoulson> :)
[22:19] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, good work!
[22:19] <chrisccoulson> robert_ancell - thanks:)
[22:58] <pitti> good night everyone
[22:59] <chrisccoulson> 'night pitti