[00:50] <erUSUL> someone just kick luis_ and Rav0 from #ubuntu
[01:08] <Ashfire908> Hi, I joined #ubuntu, and someone autosent be a pm: "For download you must have a new Hotbar. Please install for free to www.mircdown.tk"
[01:10] <mneptok> Ashfire908: nick?
[01:10] <Pricey> removed, thanks
[01:10] <Ashfire908> Sorry, totally forgot, but it's gone anyway, thanks.
[02:06] <elky> um...
[02:06] <elky> we're also lacking a jussi...
[02:32] <goose> any ops around? apparently ubottu isn't working
[02:32] <goose> levanta is PM spamming on join
[02:33] <goose> [21:22:52] <levanta> For download you must have a new Hotbar. Please install for free to www.mircdown.tk
[02:33] <goose> [21:23:37] --- [levanta] i=rthr@host128-96-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it
[02:33] <goose> [21:23:37] --- [levanta] Info: jtyj
[02:33] <goose> [21:23:37] --- [levanta] #ubuntu
[02:40] <MenZa> Thanks goose
[02:41] <goose> yeah, you're welcome. apparently ubottu doesn't want to respond to !ops
[02:41] <MenZa> no, ubottu is being unresponsive -
[02:41] <goose> or anything else for that matter :S
[02:41] <MenZa> !ping
[02:41] <MenZa> hmm
[02:42] <Tabmow> anyone around?
[02:42] <MenZa> hey Tabmow
[02:42] <MenZa> I *think* I'm about the only person around
[02:42] <MenZa> Tabmow: What's up?
[02:43] <MenZa> Jeruvy: And how can I help you? :)
[02:43] <Jeruvy> I'm sure everyone has heard about levanta?
[02:43] <MenZa> Yes, we have it
[02:43] <Jeruvy> cool, is ubottu down also?
[02:43] <MenZa> Yes
[02:43] <MenZa> Well, *down* no, but unresponsive
[02:43] <Jeruvy> doh.  Ok thanks MenZa :)
[02:44] <MenZa> Tabmow: We've received a couple of complaints of a spambot in #ubuntu
[02:44] <MenZa> [2009-11-10 02:32:59 UTC] < goose> [21:22:52] <levanta> For download you must have a new Hotbar. Please install for free to www.mircdown.tk
[02:44] <MenZa> [2009-11-10 02:32:59 UTC] < goose> [21:23:37] --- [levanta] i=rthr@host128-96-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it
[02:44] <MenZa> [2009-11-10 02:32:59 UTC] < goose> [21:23:37] --- [levanta] Info: jtyj
[02:44] <MenZa> [2009-11-10 02:32:59 UTC] < goose> [21:23:37] --- [levanta] #ubuntu
[02:44] <MenZa> i.e. pm spam onjoin
[02:44] <MenZa> I see nalioth removed him - nevermind :)
[02:45] <Tabmow> yup :)
[02:48] <MenZa> Ah, there he goes.
[02:52] <nalioth> *grumble*
[02:57]  * MenZa huggles nalioth 
[05:08] <MenZa> Flannel: I would've just asked him to, you know, stop that :P
[05:09] <Flannel> MenZa: I just got back and got another "what the hell is this? [image]"
[05:09] <Flannel> MenZa: It appears to be the bulk of his contributions to the channel.  I'm not entertained.
[05:14] <MenZa> heh
[05:23] <MenZa> MrKline in #ubuntu is trolling.
[05:23] <nalioth> rain is wet.
[05:23] <MenZa> heh
[05:24]  * MenZa hands nalioth an umbrella.
[05:24]  * nalioth blinks
[05:24] <nalioth> shall i explain it?
[05:24] <nalioth> "please don't state the obvious"
[05:26] <MenZa> No, I got it.
[05:26] <Flannel> Bother
[05:27] <Flannel> !ops | #ubuntu banlist is full again
[05:28] <Flannel> elky: Are those the ones from that guy last night?
[05:28] <elky> those should have been removed when the wildcard one went in.
[05:29] <elky> Flannel, yah
[05:29] <Flannel> Yeah.  I was just looking in BT for them
[05:29] <elky> first thng i saw when i opened the ban list.
[05:31]  * MenZa grumbles at /bans not showing nicks, but freenode servers.
[05:31]  * maco didnt know banlists could fill up
[05:32] <nalioth> MenZa: when they show "freenode servers", it's time to remove them
[05:32] <MenZa> indeed.
[05:32] <nalioth> maco: yes, it's a side effect of some ops using "fire and forget" banning methods
[05:32] <MenZa> but I'm unsure which ones in -ot are mine, even though I have a few which are a couple of weeks old.
[05:34] <elky> do check before you blanket remove things though.
[05:34]  * MenZa nods
[05:42] <MenZa> Would someone take care of Lint in #ubuntu?
[05:47] <MenZa> morning bazhang
[05:47] <bazhang> MenZa, hi!
[06:11] <wgrant> Gaaaaarr.
[06:14]  * MenZa grumbles.
[06:25] <hehu> wdf
[06:41] <MenZa> topyli: the banhammer is still sitting on my desk.
[06:41] <topyli> MenZa, good
[06:41] <MenZa> I am prepping an /af if he continues.
[06:53] <bazhang> he'll run it
[06:57] <MenZa> hm?
[06:58] <MenZa> That's as much fun as I'll tolerate from hehu.
[07:00] <MenZa> My auto_bleh is broken, though. /af didn't work. then again, I thought, I've already spent more than enough time talking to him in queries in the past two dyas.
[07:03] <MenZa> is anyone with bt access able to grab a log of my bans from -ot so I can see which ones to weed out?
[07:04] <bazhang> 3 for grexo one for hehu
[07:04] <MenZa> yeah, in /bans - I have more than that
[07:04] <MenZa> at least, unless I was smart enough to remove those, but I think I have a few older ones.
[07:05] <bazhang> netsplit must have eaten them
[07:06] <bazhang> Jordan_U, hi
[07:08] <Jordan_U> bazhang: Hi, I wasn't going to say anything for a while, but from TheWeirdHacker's comment I couldn't tell if he was a bot or just didn't know english very well
[07:09] <Flannel> Jordan_U: Hmm, how are you in #ubuntu?
[07:09] <Flannel> Interesting.
[07:09] <Jordan_U> Flannel: Yes
[07:10] <Jordan_U> Flannel: He responded to my question of if English was his first language with a pm saying only "no"
[07:10] <Flannel> Jordan_U: right, sorry.  There's an old forward here from a DCC attack
[07:11] <Flannel> Jordan_U: TheWeirdHacker doesnt seem to be in #u anymore
[08:04] <dholbach> good morning
[08:06] <Flannel> Howdy dholbach
[08:07] <dholbach> hi Flannel
[08:29] <Tm_T> fffuuuuuck!
[08:29] <Tm_T> sorry, I'm ruining banlist in #kubuntu
[08:29] <Tm_T> sorry, sorry sorry
[08:30] <Tm_T> helpme?
[08:30]  * Tm_T hides
[08:32] <Tm_T> errr, no bans there, errrr
[08:33] <Tm_T> what should I do?
[08:34]  * MenZa takes a couple of steps back from Tm_T 
[08:36] <Tm_T> I hate when I hit enter when I'm reaching *
[08:39] <Tm_T> maybe it's better I do nothing...
[08:42] <jussi01> Tm_T: dont worry about it. We will work around it. A lot of those needed clearing anyway, and if someone comes back and makes a nuisance of themselves then we can re-ban.
[08:46] <Tm_T> yeah, that's what I'm thinking
[08:47] <Tm_T> shaky hands I got today, so better if I keep a hat off until I get steady
[09:16] <Tm_T> ....I couldn't resist
[09:19] <Tm_T> flood of this in PM:  <cheapsexandbooze> cunts cunts cunts cunts cunts cunts cunts cunts
[09:21] <jussi01> ahh yeah, that lovely guy. I banned him about a week ago, wasnt very nice to me.
[09:21] <Tm_T> is nice for me though
[09:24] <jussi01> and me in pm too
[09:24] <jussi01> I just removed him from -irc
[09:26] <Tm_T> ok, this is seriously weird: http://paste.ubuntu.com/314939/
[09:27] <Madpilot>  +10 for pure surreality; minus much more than that for taste, restraint, maturity, and much else
[09:28] <Tm_T> err
[09:28] <Tm_T> 1127.11 <cheapsexandbooze> you know you want to show a little mercy
[09:28] <topyli> back on -irc
[09:28] <Tm_T> 1127.35 <Tm_T> yes, for other people out there
[09:30] <Tm_T> he is on -ot too
[09:31] <topyli> just came in yes
[09:33] <Tm_T> if he needs some banning, please op me so I take all the blame (;)
[09:34] <Tm_T> op me there please
[09:35] <topyli> done
[09:35] <Tm_T> thanks (:
[09:36] <badman> NIGGER
[09:36] <Tm_T> badman: hello son
[09:36] <badman> NIGGER
[09:36] <badman> HELLO NIGGER
[09:37] <Tm_T> staff time?
[09:37] <Tm_T> badman: I hope you would stop behaving badly, as it's not funny nor nice, son
[09:38] <badman> IM NOT YOUR FUCKING SON NIGGER CUNT
[09:38] <badman> NIGGER
[09:38] <badman>  NIGGER
[09:38] <badman>  NIGGER
[09:38] <badman>  NIGGER
[09:38] <badman>  NIGGER
[09:38] <badman>  NIGGER
[09:38] <badman>  NIGGER
[09:38] <badman>  NIGGER
[09:38] <badman>  NIGGER
[09:38] <badman>  NIGGER
[09:39] <badman>  NIGGER
[09:39] <badman>  NIGGER
[09:41] <Tm_T> !staff
[09:45] <Tm_T> thanks Levia, we'll see if he returns
[10:06] <bazhang> d'oh
 bazhang: i wanted to !ot
[10:08] <Madpilot> ah, OK
[10:08] <Madpilot> oops
[10:09] <bazhang> hehe
[10:27] <elky> oh lovely bruenig just memo'd me twice to tell, not ask, tell me to lift his bans.
[10:27] <elky> and to tell me to lift the ban mneptok has on him too.
[10:29] <elky> mneptok, would you like to have some input on this?
[11:17] <ikonia> elky: for the record I've banned any Arch-linux-offtopic known trolls that I've seen plotting in their channel to create issues, as soon as they start the issue - they are banned and the discussion ends
[11:18] <ikonia> elky: as you well know bruenig is a repeat offender and often trys to change nick to get past bans, I see no reason to lift the ban
[11:18] <ikonia> that goes for all the archlinux-offtopic trolls that plot to be an issue
[11:18] <ikonia> it's gone on long enough
[11:20] <elky> ikonia, freenode staff are a stakeholder in this situation, in that they get hostility based on our bans. which staff have you spoken to about this arrangement so far?
[11:28] <ikonia> I've not spoken to any staff - it's not an arrangment
[11:29] <ikonia> I've just banned the people who cause an issue in ubuntu AS they cause an issue
[11:29] <ikonia> not-pre-emptive
[11:30] <ikonia> but I was trying to say I've not opened the channels for pro-longed discussion as it is the same regular people, you see the discussion in offtopic - you then see the troll in #ubuntu, they get banned, I've just stopped trying to resolve the issue and just let the ban stand as all the people banned have been warned n+4 times
[11:33] <elky> ok. apologies for misunderstanding what you said.
[11:33] <ikonia> no, it was bad wording
[11:33] <ikonia> bottom line is - I've just let the bans stand and stopped discussing it
[13:52] <bazhang> oh yuck
[13:56] <Madpilot> ?
[13:56] <bazhang> kavita just joined and parted -ot
[13:57] <Madpilot> don't know the name, but I assume he/she/it is a known troll?
[13:57] <bazhang> uberstalker/troll
[13:58] <elky> Madpilot, asus_tek, hynix creep
[13:58] <elky> at least he parted
[13:59] <ikonia> he's been in #ubuntu a few times this/last week I'm sure
[14:00] <elky> he's also on indian nets, not elsewhere as he had threatened.
[14:01] <elky> just dont tell myrtti, i dont want her in panics again
[14:01] <ikonia> yup
[14:02] <ikonia> he can stay on indian networks - they can deal with him
[14:02] <elky> if he starts asking creepy questions in -ot or anywhere for that matter, i think you'll be safe expediting to christel. she was the one in dialogue with chennai cyber crime last time he was threatening creepiness and stalking
[14:03] <elky> tomaw, ^^ just a heads up
[14:06] <tomaw> nod
[14:07] <Madpilot> oh fun
[14:08] <elky> pleia2, you too ^^ just in case he decides to 'make friends' in -women this time
[14:08] <pleia2> elky: thanks
[14:09] <elky> Madpilot, this is the creep who thinks stalking is how you make friends, and how all indian people make friends. he was pestering miia in multiple places including facebook and repeatedly tried to call her on skype *after* she told him to go away
[14:10] <Madpilot> I can see why you'd want to get local cops involved at that point
[14:10] <elky> that was after he threatened to find her in the UK
[14:11] <elky> to prove he was a nice guy or whatever
[14:12] <elky> but yeah. anything with an ident 'kavita' or 'umakant' is 99% likely to be him.
[14:12] <Madpilot> well, if he shows in -offtopic, I'll give him enough rope, then do the usual.
[14:14] <elky> yup
[14:14] <elky> anything vaguely creepy
[14:15] <Madpilot> with a history like that, getting something vaguely creepy out of him doesn't sound like a challenge
[14:15] <bazhang> two seconds max
[14:30] <Tm_T> hi kids
[14:30] <bazhang> hi
[14:31] <Tm_T> has my afternoon pet been around since?
[14:33] <ikonia> ?
[14:34] <bazhang> badman?
[14:34] <Tm_T> yes, who eventually used that nick
[14:34] <bazhang> not again no Tm_T
[14:35] <Tm_T> good, in these kind of cases, is it better for us ubuntu community better if someone, like I, try to get their attention alone or should the banhammer be shared?
[14:35] <Tm_T> as I don't mind if they are mad at me, I only care what's best for our channels
[14:54] <bazhang> have him in PM
[14:55] <ikonia> ahhh I'll leave alone then
[15:03] <bazhang> kavita back
[15:31] <ikonia> what nick this time ?
[15:31] <bazhang> indian`  he left shortly after though
[17:46] <IdleOne> is soswwet a official bot in #ubuntu?
[17:47] <jpds> No.
[17:47] <Pici> no
[17:47] <IdleOne> [12:46:22] -soswwet- Welcome to #ubuntu channel. You want a Free Virtual Server? If so Visit: http://vpsnetwork.info
[17:47] <IdleOne> /cycle
[17:47] <Pici> Thats that dns fellow that someone was speaking to the other day.  I forget who it was.
[17:47] <jpds> IdleOne: 'tis gone.
[17:47] <IdleOne> thanks folks
[17:58] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu soswwet spamming advertisments as a channel greeting - multiple channels, staff in formed and aware
[17:58] <ikonia> @mark
[20:32] <arand> I'm failing in submitting factoid requests, is my syntax wrong?: factoid moonlight is To use Silverlight you can install the Moonlight plugin, available from http://www.go-mono.com/moonlight/
[20:34] <Pici> arand: get rid of the 'factoid' before the submission.
[20:34] <Pici> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots#Advanced%20Factoid%20Manipulation for more info
[20:34] <MenZa> You probably want !moonlight is <reply> To use Silverlight, you can [...]
[20:34] <arand> Pici: ok, thanks.... should it also be an exclamation mark there?
[20:34] <Pici> Also, for the ksound factoid, it would be better if the current !sound wiki urls were edited to be more up-to-date so that we wouldnt have to supply a different sound factoid for each release.
[20:35] <Pici> arand: Only if you're doing it in channel and not in a private message with the bot
[20:35] <arand> ok
[20:35] <MenZa> Pici: In which case it doesn't really matter :)
[20:36] <MenZa> arand: A word of advice, that would output < ubottu> moonlight is To use Silverlight [...]
[20:36] <MenZa> arand: If you don't use !foo is <reply> bar, it'll interpret it as a literal definition.
[20:36] <Pici> Which is rarely useful.
[20:37] <MenZa> Indeed.
[20:37] <arand> Ah... right...
[20:37] <MenZa> Also, !silverlight should be !silverlight is <alias> !mono, but that can only be set after the factoid has actually been saved ;)
[20:37] <arand> So should I resubmit again? (any point in submitting them both?)
[20:38] <MenZa> Eh, if we use them, we'll clean them up. I don't see why not, though (Pici?)
[20:39] <Pici> I don't see why we don't just suggest the use of the package in the repositories.
[20:39] <Pici> !info moonlight-plugin-mozilla
[20:39] <MenZa> heh
[20:39]  * MenZa doesn't use it, so wouldn't know about it.
[20:39] <MenZa> Then again, why not.
[20:39] <arand> oops, didn't know there was one.
[20:41] <Pici> !ping
[20:41] <Pici> :/
[20:41] <MenZa> !moonlight is <reply> For Microsoft Silverlight support, install Moonlight with the following command: « sudo apt-get install moonlight-plugin-mozilla » in a terminal.
[20:41] <MenZa> So something like that.
[20:43] <arand> Makes sense, and add to factoid moonlight as well.
[20:44] <MenZa> So !silverlight is <alias> !moonlight
[20:44] <MenZa> Pici, if you would be so kind?
[20:44] <Pici> !moonlight is <reply> For Microsoft Silverlight support, install Moonlight with the following command: « sudo apt-get install moonlight-plugin-mozilla » in a terminal.
[20:44] <Pici> !serverlight is <alias> moonlight
[20:44] <MenZa> ...serverlight?
[20:44] <Pici> er
[20:44]  * MenZa hands Pici coffee
[20:44] <Pici> !silverlight is <alias> moonlight
[20:44] <Pici> !forget serverlight
[20:45] <MenZa> !silverlight
[20:45] <MenZa> Huzzah.
[20:45] <MenZa> arand: Aaaand done. :)
[20:45] <arand> Cheers :)
[20:45] <MenZa> Thanks for contributing :)
[20:45] <MenZa> arand: Anything else we can help you with?
[20:46] <arand> Hmm, also... I think my "ksound" proposal was sent here in anequally messy state...
[20:46] <MenZa> Well, Pici suggested those should be merged with the current links in !sound
[20:46] <MenZa> !sound
[20:47] <arand> true, but does it not become rather bulky then?
[20:47] <MenZa> It would, but are we supposed to then have !ksound, !lsound, !msound and so on in the future?
[20:48] <Pici> I meant the specific troubleshooting steps be moved into the wiki.
[20:48] <MenZa> I think support information for unsupported releases could be removed full-stop (if it's version-specific).
[20:48] <MenZa> Although I'm not sure what the scribes team's policy is on that
[20:48] <MenZa> (Then again, why keep it?)
[20:49]  * MenZa yawns.
[20:50]  * genii slides MenZa a strong mug of coffee
[20:50] <arand> Yea, moving it to wiki would make longterm-sense, but that would mean taking a while to get it into a proper format etc. I was thinking a temporary solution of this sort would be very useful
[20:51] <MenZa> genii: After binging on coffee all day, I think it's time to give in to sleep.
[20:51] <MenZa> arand: There's not much to format, really.
[20:51] <genii> MenZa: Heresy! ;)
[20:51] <arand> Sound issues being, by far, one of the most frequent inquiries on #ubuntu.
[20:52] <Pici> And it would be best to just shove !sound at them instead of asking what release, if they're using pulseaudio, etc.
[20:52]  * MenZa nods
[20:52] <MenZa> Anyway, bedtime for me
[20:52] <MenZa> Tomorrow, ubuntu-bots documentation (Pici, remind me?)
[20:52] <MenZa> Or tsimpson, who isn't around.
[20:52] <MenZa> sigh.
[20:52]  * MenZa creates calendar appointment.
[20:53] <Pici> MenZa: Thats probably the best option
[20:53] <MenZa> That it is.
[20:53] <MenZa> And set.
[20:53] <MenZa> And now I'm off. Night all.
[20:53]  * MenZa slides his coffee back to genii, not wanting it to get cold and undrinkable.
[20:54] <arand> MenZa: goodnight, and thanks for help
[20:54] <MenZa> welcome :)
[20:55]  * genii sips
[20:55] <arand> ok, that's me done I think, thanks for your help, Pici, and ubottu for undying patience.
[20:55] <Pici> :)
[21:08] <pleia2> Tempoe_ is spamming via dcc in there
[21:08] <pleia2> oh cody got it :)
[21:23] <jrib> bruenig: how can we help you?
[21:46] <ikonia> bruenig: hello ?
[21:47] <ikonia> #/window 40
[21:47] <ikonia> oops
[21:53] <bruenig> um
[21:53] <bruenig> -b?
[21:54] <ikonia> what does that mean ?
[21:54] <bruenig> right now I am +b
[21:54] <ikonia> can you please state your issue in a clear statment
[21:54] <bruenig> and I would like my mode to be changed to -b
[21:54] <ikonia> yes, in multiple ubuntu channels
[21:54] <bruenig> well I don't know what multiple has to do with it
[21:55] <bruenig> was made +b in #ubuntu
[21:55] <ikonia> bruenig: you and your fellow users from #archlinux-offtopic have plotted and carried out methods to disrupt the channel for your own ammusment
[21:55] <bruenig> I was banned whilst idling
[21:55] <ikonia> the multiple channel is an issue because you and your collegues have hit multiple channel
[21:55] <bruenig> the last thing I had said before being banned was showing somehow how to use bash aliases
[21:55] <ikonia> bruenig: you've been banned many times
[21:55] <bruenig> well whatever, I don't care about OT or whatever
[21:55] <ikonia> bruenig: that was by amarath because you where (maybe not intentionally) ban evading
[21:55] <ikonia> but you have evaded on purpose in the past so it was right to ban you
[21:56] <bruenig> well whatever, I don't know how to get original ban off
[21:56] <bruenig> I memoed elky and it says she read them, but that was 2 days ago and no one has explained to me why that +b is still on
[21:56] <bruenig> I didn't even know it was on the begin with
[21:56] <ikonia> bruenig: it will be hard to convince people to remove your ban due to the volumne of bans you've had for your behaviour
[21:56] <bruenig> to begin*
[21:56] <ikonia> one moment and I'll find out why you are banned
[21:56] <bruenig> I was just sitting in there
[21:56] <ikonia> (on this occasion)
[21:57] <jrib> bruenig: you're in here way too often.
[21:57] <jrib> for this same reason
[21:57] <bruenig> I am never in here
[21:57] <ikonia> bruenig: I appreciate you may have been just sitting in there - but you have a bad history
[21:57] <ikonia> I'll find out why you are currently banned, please hang on
[21:57] <bruenig> the only reason I am in here is because the ban has a ! in it to push me here
[21:57] <jrib> bruenig: that's easily fixed by not joining #ubuntu then.
[21:57] <bruenig> otherwise, I wouldn't even be in here, I just have my stuff setup to autojoin and don't even notice all the other channels
[21:58] <bruenig> except the ones I actually frequent
[21:58] <bruenig> #ubuntu is just there when bored, can go through whatever problems people are having, say bash aliases like I did the day I got banned all of a sudden
[21:58] <ikonia> bruenig: you where banned from the channel two minutes after you trolled the channel, so you where not just ideling
[21:59] <bruenig> I can show you the logs
[21:59] <ikonia> I'm reading the logs
[21:59] <bruenig> we are talking about two nights ago or whatever right?
[21:59] <ikonia> I'm not interested in seeing more
[21:59] <ikonia> bruenig: you where banned two nights ago because you have a previous ban in place that you where getting past
[21:59] <ikonia> that was explained to you by Amaranth as I was in the channel when he did so
[21:59] <ikonia> please don't pretend you don't know why that was as it was explained to you clearly and you acklowedged it
[22:00] <bruenig> ok right fine, but no one is talking to me about this other ban
[22:00] <ikonia> I'm talking to you about the other ban now
[22:00] <bruenig> you are misunderstanding me then
[22:00] <bruenig> ok right
[22:00] <ikonia> explaining the reasons
[22:00] <bruenig> elky wont reply back to my memos is all I am saying
[22:00] <bruenig> so
[22:00] <ikonia> she may not have had chance to
[22:00] <bruenig> says she read them
[22:00] <ikonia> which is why I'm explaining it to you now
[22:00] <bruenig> ok
[22:01] <ikonia> ok - well maybe she doesn't want to lift the ban due to you being a persistant issue
[22:01] <ikonia> I can't speak for her but I can offer a suggestion
[22:01] <bruenig> how am I a persistent issue when we have a ban from a month ago and no one even notices it is on the books
[22:01] <ikonia> bruenig: you have multiple bans BECAUSE you're an issue
[22:01] <ikonia> you sit in archlinux-offtopics with your friends planning to troll ubuntu - then you do it
[22:01] <ikonia> that's an issue because you do it on purpose
[22:02] <bruenig> clearly not too big of an issue if I can go unnoticed for a whole month in ubuntu just helping people
[22:02] <ikonia> I see no reason to allow back into ubuntu
[22:02] <ikonia> bruenig: people can make mistakes in terms of not noticing
[22:02] <bruenig> except that I help people every day in there
[22:02] <ikonia> you also troll there on a regular basis
[22:02] <ikonia> that doesn't excuse it
[22:02] <bruenig> no, if you are saying I am a huge issue, then they would have noticed
[22:02] <ikonia> I'll rephrase then
[22:02] <ikonia> you are an issue on a regular basis
[22:02] <ikonia> someone was not aware you where banned so you didn't get noticed
[22:03] <ikonia> as you are banned/unbanned so much
[22:03] <bruenig> obviously I am not an issue on a regular basis
[22:03] <bruenig> if I am in there for a month and no one finds cause to ban
[22:03] <ikonia> I've just explained that - so please don't play dumb
[22:03] <jrib> bruenig: how many times have you been banned?
[22:03] <bruenig> further, the logs I got read back to me where a joke
[22:03] <bruenig> very few
[22:03] <bruenig> I estimate 2
[22:04] <ikonia> bruenig: I have watched you in archlinux-offtopic plotting attacks on ubuntu - then carry them out
[22:04] <jrib> uh huh
[22:04] <ikonia> that's not a joke
[22:04] <ikonia> I count over 20 bans/kicks
[22:04] <ikonia> I see evidence of admited ban doding on purpose
[22:04] <bruenig> no one said kicks
[22:04] <ikonia> I see evidence of intent to be a problem
[22:04] <bruenig> kicks are quite a bit different
[22:04] <ikonia> either way - it's not a good state
[22:04] <bruenig> kicks are not serious issues
[22:05] <ikonia> I'll rephrase it for you then
[22:05] <ikonia> you are persistantly breaking the ubuntu rules
[22:05] <bruenig> I don't understand how I can be said to have broken the rules in the elky case
[22:05] <ikonia> bruenig: you where trolling a user
[22:05] <ikonia> you where banned
[22:05] <bruenig> I told the person that the answer they were seeking for their question was not allowed to be given in the channel
[22:05] <ikonia> bruenig: no - you started name calling someone
[22:05] <ikonia> you started slating technologies
[22:05] <bruenig> this seems like a fair thing to tell someone so as not to keep them roaming around aimlessly
[22:06] <bruenig> well I only know what mneptok showed me
[22:06] <bruenig> and all he showed me was me saying that we are not allowed to tell people how to become root in #ubuntu
[22:06] <ikonia> well, I've read the logs
[22:06] <bruenig> which is factual and I think helpful for someone so as not to frustrate them
[22:06] <ikonia> well, I'm building on that
[22:06] <ikonia> you where name calling people
[22:06] <bruenig> it certainly doesn't break rules
[22:06] <bruenig> where is this?
[22:06] <bruenig> no one has showed me this
[22:06] <bruenig> for elky ban
[22:07] <bruenig> hell I don't even know who elky is
[22:07] <ikonia>  <bruenig> TheRealMezquital: Korlis is a known ignorant person, ignore ignorance because ignorance ignores reality
[22:07] <ikonia> you don't need to know who elky is
[22:07] <ikonia> she is an operator of the channel and banned you due to your behaviour
[22:07] <bruenig> timestamp on this
[22:07] <ikonia> 2009-10-05T02:35:50 <bruenig> TheRealMezquital: Korlis is a known ignorant person, ignore ignorance because ignorance ignores reality
[22:08] <ikonia> bruenig: it's a list of many things
[22:08] <ikonia> you know it - I know it, the channel knows it
[22:08] <bruenig> what is the context
[22:08] <bruenig> is Korlis criticizing me?
[22:08] <ikonia> you where calling a user ignorant
[22:08] <ikonia> yes, he mentioned you are famous for trolling the channel and your advice should be taken with that in mind
[22:09] <bruenig> ok well then
[22:09] <ikonia> (which backs up your reputation I mentioned earlier)
[22:09] <bruenig> seems pretty fair that I would give a similar warning
[22:09] <bruenig> was he banned?
[22:09] <ikonia> no
[22:09] <ikonia> he was spoken to
[22:09] <bruenig> ok
[22:09] <bruenig> well
[22:09] <ikonia> and he stopped
[22:09] <bruenig> just a second I am checking my logs
[22:10] <bruenig> ok so I see him asking about virtual machines, I tell him they are slow, and then I get attacked
[22:11] <bruenig> was saying they are slow a troll? or even controversial?
[22:11] <ikonia> bruenig: because your a famous troll
[22:11] <ikonia> people are warey of everything you say
[22:11] <bruenig> what is this guy telling this person that I am wrong when I am giving obviously serious advice
[22:11] <ikonia> and you know how to advise people to become root in the approved way
[22:11] <bruenig> he is telling this guy to ignore my serious advice
[22:11] <bruenig> so I am calling him ignorant
[22:11] <ikonia> bruenig: your reptuation - there is noway to know if it's serious
[22:11] <bruenig> for thinking my advice is trollish
[22:11] <ikonia> bottom line is, this was a minor incident in a long line of indicents with you
[22:12] <ikonia> enough is enough
[22:12] <mneptok> name-calling is against the CoC
[22:12] <bruenig> well surely you would agree his is ignorant to say virtual machines are not slow
[22:12] <bruenig> he called me a name
[22:12] <ikonia> bruenig: I'm not interested in his bevaiour
[22:12] <ikonia> I'm interested in yours and your ban
[22:12] <ikonia> he was delt with
[22:12] <mneptok> bruenig: oh *please*
[22:13] <bruenig> I give serious advice, some guy who I don't even know and probably doesn't even know me, misinforms a fellow linux user about my advice
[22:13] <bruenig> tells him to basically ignore it. This is harmful to the user
[22:13] <ikonia> bruenig: it comes to something when your genuine advice inthe channel is seen as trolling due to your past reputation
[22:13] <ikonia> bruenig: it was NOT harmful to the user
[22:13] <mneptok> bruenig: serious advice peppered with trollish behavior will not save you.
[22:13] <ikonia> vm's are a matter of opinion, it would have not done any damage to the user
[22:13] <bruenig> where is the trollish behavior anywhere in this log
[22:13] <ikonia> bruenig: bottom line is - no-one has faith to unban you because of how much of a problem you cause
[22:14] <bruenig> I see me advising about virtual machines and then the stuff about root
[22:14] <ikonia> bruenig: if the advice was good/bad is open to debate
[22:14] <bruenig> is this a problem?
[22:14] <ikonia> bruenig: but your name calling was not
[22:14] <ikonia> bruenig: yes, you tied to make an issue out of the switching user to root
[22:14] <bruenig> I called him ignorant
[22:14] <bruenig> which he was
[22:14] <ikonia> bruenig: you know how to switch user to root with the sudo -i option
[22:14] <bruenig> that does not switch a user to root
[22:14] <ikonia> bruenig: he wasn't he was advising the user the your advice as a known troll is questionable, he did not do in a good way, but that's what he did
[22:15] <bruenig> you know this
[22:15] <ikonia> bruenig: it gives you a root shell
[22:15] <ikonia> it would have answered the users question fine
[22:15] <bruenig> that is not the same thing
[22:15] <ikonia> bruenig: bottom line is - you cause an issue too often and no-one has any faith in your behaviour
[22:15] <mneptok> [mneptok@set] mneptok :: sudo -i
[22:15] <mneptok> [sudo] password for mneptok:
[22:15] <mneptok> root@set:~# whoami
[22:15] <mneptok> root
[22:15] <mneptok> root@set:~#
[22:15] <ikonia> it's less disruptive for the channel to leave you banned
[22:15] <mneptok> bruenig: fail.
[22:15] <bruenig> he says: is there a way to id me as root
[22:15] <mneptok> sudo -i
[22:16] <ikonia> mneptok: lets not debate this, I've just interested in bruenig's behaviour and ban
[22:16] <bruenig> this does not work for kismet or programs that require literal root of which there are many
[22:16] <bruenig> his question was not specific enough to say what he was trying to do
[22:16] <jrib> not relevant
[22:16] <mneptok> ikonia: there is no debate. when you run "sudo -i" you become the root user
[22:16] <mneptok> full stop
[22:16] <bruenig> it is relevant because he might be looking at a kismet tutorial and wondering what the hell is up
[22:16] <ikonia> bruenig: stop debating this
[22:16] <jrib> bruenig: not relevant to what we are discussing now
[22:17] <mneptok> bruenig: your hair-splitting becomes tiresome.
[22:17] <bruenig> the answer was completely legitimate, it certainly wasn't trollish
[22:17] <ikonia> bruenig: the bottom line is this, your presense in the channel is a disruption due to your long history
[22:17] <bruenig> oh ok, so what are we talking about then
[22:17] <ikonia> bruenig: no-one has any faith to unban you
[22:17] <bruenig> I was helping a guy with bash aliases when I got banned, are you serious? what sort of hype is this. I poured help into this channel
[22:17] <bruenig> pour*
[22:17] <ikonia> bruenig: I'm explaing the reason to you
[22:17] <ikonia> bruenig: your past beahviour has a stigma which your presense effects the channel
[22:18] <ikonia> no-one has any faith to unban you because you re-offend so often
[22:18] <bruenig> right so not evidence
[22:18] <bruenig> just your kind of emotional response
[22:18] <ikonia> I'm not presenting evidence
[22:18] <bruenig> there is no evidence
[22:18] <ikonia> no, it's not emotion
[22:18] <bruenig> you have some sort of hype
[22:18] <bruenig> someone told you something and you took at it as legit. I know that if you look at the evidence, you would have a difficult time really finding much of anything
[22:18] <ikonia> no, I have evidence of a.) multiple bans in multiple channels b.) personal evidence of you plotting in #archlinux-offtopic planning to troll ubuntu then carrying it out
[22:18] <bruenig> in #ubuntu
[22:19] <bruenig> but look at the bans
[22:19] <bruenig> the bans are iffy at best
[22:19] <ikonia> bruenig: I've studied them
[22:19] <ikonia> bruenig: no they are not
[22:19] <bruenig> yawn
[22:19] <ikonia> bruenig: I have watched you plotting to troll the channel
[22:19] <ikonia> then carry it out
[22:19] <bruenig> they are
[22:19] <ikonia> bruenig: do you deny you plot to troll ubuntu in #archlinux-offtpoic then carry it out, yes or no
[22:21] <bruenig> people have come in and said there was trolling and them from there, but any talks of trolling in the main channel are jokes at best
[22:21] <ikonia> bruenig: do you plot to troll #ubuntu in #archlinux-offtopic and then do it, yes or no
[22:21] <ikonia> you personally
[22:21] <bruenig> people think it is funny that you guys are so anal and think anyone cares enough to go in there and troll people who are far too clueless to get any troll jokes anyways
[22:21] <ikonia> bruenig: do you plot to troll #ubuntu in #archlinux-offtopic and then do it, yes or no
[22:21] <bruenig> and so they joke about doing it
[22:21] <ikonia> you personally
[22:21] <ikonia> bruenig: answer the question
[22:21] <ikonia> bruenig: do you plot to troll #ubuntu in #archlinux-offtopic and then do it, yes or no
[22:21] <ikonia> bruenig: answer the question
[22:21] <bruenig> oh sorry
[22:22] <bruenig> I am on the phone too so, little disoriented
[22:22] <ikonia> then answer the question now
[22:22] <bruenig> plot beforehand or do you mean 'are there times where people are talking about things going on in #ubuntu in OT?'
[22:23] <bruenig> I can't think of an instance where anyone talked about trolling and then did, I have only seen instances where trolls were happening and people talked about the ones that were happening
[22:23] <ikonia> bruenig: no, I'm asking do you and your archlinux-offtopic users plot how to be a pain in #ubuntu related channels then carry out that plan
[22:23] <ikonia> bruenig: I've watched you do it, and have logs of you doing it
[22:23] <bruenig> this is my answer above, I have only seen talking about it WHILE in process
[22:23] <ikonia> then you are telling lies and this conversation is over
[22:23] <bruenig> I think the s p a c e  troll just really captured your imagination
[22:23] <bruenig> that is the only thing I have ever done in #ubuntu
[22:23] <ikonia> I cannot discuss this with anyone who cannot even be honest
[22:23] <bruenig> it was brilliant, no doubt about that
[22:24] <ikonia> this conversation is over
[22:24] <bruenig> I don't memorize my logs dude
[22:24] <ikonia> I'm not asking you to - you know your intent
[22:24] <bruenig> ikonia: do you put this on your resume?
[22:24] <ikonia> I'm not discussing this futher if you can't even be honest as it backs up your beahviour
[22:24] <bruenig> ikonia: you are a joke
[22:24] <bruenig> to think anyone in OT cares at all about #ubuntu is pretty hilarious
[22:25] <ikonia> bruenig: then yo udon't need the ban lifting
[22:25] <ikonia> bruenig: if you don't care - you can leave now
[22:25] <bruenig> well I like to help people
[22:25] <bruenig> that is what I do in the channel
[22:25] <ikonia> this conversation is over
[22:25] <bruenig> sans the absolutely brilliant s p a c e  troll
[22:26] <mneptok> bruenig: i think the decision has been made clear to you.
[22:26] <bruenig> ikonia: while it is true that freenode is serious business and ubuntu is serious business, you might want to consider evidence in the future
[22:26] <bruenig> like I am not saying science knows everything, but their methods are usually pretty good
[22:26] <bruenig> no offense
[22:27] <Flannel> bruenig: Is there anything else we can help you with today?  If not, please part this channel.  Thanks.
[22:28] <mneptok> bruenig: will there be anythiong else? i think this conversation has outlived its usefulness.
[22:34] <mneptok> bruenig?
[22:35] <ikonia> for the record there is no ban in place that forwards the user to this channel
[22:35] <ikonia> the ban in place is a flat ban not a forward, the user is joining of his own accord
[22:35] <mneptok> ikonia: i placed one a few days ago
[22:36] <ikonia> ahh I've just found it it's not on his nick
[22:36] <ikonia> apologies
[22:36] <ikonia> I'll change that to flat ban now
[23:02] <mneptok> salle: /cs op #ubuntu-ops
[23:02] <mneptok> dcfasdjkfgvbsdjkvba
[23:03] <mneptok> tab fail
[23:03] <jrib> mneptok: you really type that everytime you want to op?
[23:03] <mneptok> jrib: tab fail
[23:03] <jrib>  /opme
[23:04] <mneptok> jrib: but yes. i use a lot of hand-crafted commands. which is one reason most users can't usually evade my bans. :P
[23:04] <mneptok> 16:04 << No script provides '/opme'
[23:05] <jrib> yeah I just created an alias for it
[23:05] <mneptok> and i don't want a script that provides it. kids these days ...
[23:05] <jrib>  /cs op $channel $nick
[23:06] <jrib> next you're going to tell me you type out "sudo aptitude install blah" too!
[23:09] <Seeker`> you mistyped "apt-get"
[23:16] <mneptok> alias canhaz='sudo apt-get install'
[23:16] <mneptok> (from my .zshrc-aliases)
[23:18] <jrib> mneptok: ok you've redeemed yourself
[23:18] <mneptok> purge is aliased to donotwant