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amichairJontheEchidna: ping00:51
JontheEchidnaamichair: pong00:51
amichairJontheEchidna: regarding the ping test, what is the desired presentation? other than the progress bar, there's the text on top - what sould it show?00:52
JontheEchidnathe "find best server" thing?00:53
amichairJontheEchidna: yep00:56
amichairJontheEchidna: got it working, but with all the messed up commented code, I'm not sure what was intended to be displayed00:56
JontheEchidnaI've actually never seen that work. Ideally it should show the text, progress bar and at the end automagically select the best server without crashing and/or spewing tons of nonsense out to konsole00:56
JontheEchidnaperhaps the name of the server it is trying?00:57
JontheEchidnadunno really00:57
amichairdoes it work in gtk?00:57
JontheEchidnaprobably. I doubt they'd let something like that slip through00:58
amichairI wish we could say the same about kubuntu :(00:59
JontheEchidnayeah :(00:59
JontheEchidnahopefully we can change that01:00
amichairok, I'll try to see what they do and copy that01:01
amichairJontheEchidna: but at least we've got progress :-)01:02
amichairamichair: (pun intended)01:02
JontheEchidnalol01:02
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jussi01hrm, lovely, a not very verbose error from apt..07:23
jussi01Registering documents with scrollkeeper...07:23
jussi01Errors were encountered while processing:07:23
jussi01 /var/cache/apt/archives/libqt4-opengl-dev_4%3a4.6.0~beta1-1ubuntu1~ppa1_i386.deb07:23
jussi01E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)07:23
Tm_Tthat's error from dpkg, try using it directly with some additional debug option07:24
jussi01dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libqt4-opengl-dev:07:27
jussi01 libqt4-opengl-dev depends on libqt4-opengl (= 4:4.6.0~beta1-1ubuntu1~ppa1); however:07:27
jussi01  Package libqt4-opengl is not configured yet.07:27
jussi01 libqt4-opengl-dev depends on libqt4-dev (= 4:4.6.0~beta1-1ubuntu1~ppa1); however:07:27
jussi01  Package libqt4-dev is not configured yet.07:27
jussi01curious.07:27
jussi01simple apt-get install -f fixed it, but still, that shoudlnt happen.07:28
jussi01hrm, jockey-kde not working on this machine.. :/08:02
jussi01loads, finds the driver, but no istall when button clicked. (yes, package cache is up to date)08:03
jussi01jockey-gtk works fine though.08:04
* jussi01 sighs at: http://imagebin.ca/view/EayMIDu.html08:58
jussi01there should be something telling the user what to install there.08:58
jussi01that message is mostly useless.08:58
apacheloggernhandler: kubuntu-members owns the branch, so it doesnt make much difference, does it :P09:11
Quintasanhiho09:15
Tm_Tbrrrh, sillyness: http://sandrotosi.blogspot.com/2009/11/things-that-make-me-angry.html09:39
Quintasanoh well, I guess everyone needs to troll once in a while09:45
Riddellapachelogger: what's up with docs path?09:51
apacheloggerRiddell: somewhere within pkg-kde-tools there seems to be a function that tries to manually do something to the docs09:53
apacheloggerjust grep for kde4/HTML09:53
apacheloggerthat needs to be changed to kde/HTML09:53
* apachelogger compiles go and is quite frightened by the length of today's todo :|09:54
Riddell"The membership of usr (usrlp) in the Kubuntu Bugs (kubuntu-bugs) team has expired." oh thank goodness09:57
Nightrose\o/10:26
Tm_Tusr?10:29
apacheloggerkate needs syntax highlight for go10:40
apacheloggerand I should buy something to eat10:40
Tm_Tapachelogger: I recommend some apples10:41
jussi01apachelogger: applestrudel :D10:43
Tm_Twe have ~20 cm snow here atleast, finally10:48
* apachelogger just told his flatmate to run killall -9 java10:50
apacheloggerapparently his netbook works way better now10:50
apacheloggermuhahaha :D10:50
* apachelogger creates syntaxhighlight0r for go10:50
Riddellhmm, someone not happy with our kdevelop beta on planet10:53
Tm_Tnoticed10:53
RiddellLex79_: do you remember why we did that?10:58
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Riddellthe joysd of personalised spam"DownloadRoute.com  Hello!   We would like to inform you that your program kubuntu 9.10 has successfully passed antivirus and antispyware tests and were so impressed that we decided to give you our 100% CLEAN award! We use for scanning now four of the best antivirus engines available on the   market."12:52
amichairyay! we passed! lol12:53
freeflyingRiddell: so funny12:54
tsimpsonit's be funnier if it didn't pass ;)12:56
Tm_Ttsimpson: no, that would mean that I got caught then13:04
Tm_Terr, I mean, ummm13:05
* Tm_T hides13:05
tsimpsonheh13:05
amichairwhat's the changelog syntax for 2 bug links on the same line?14:08
amichairis it (LP: #1) (LP: #2) or (LP: #1,#2) or similar?14:09
JontheEchidnaamichair: both of those would work. I use the latter since it takes up less space14:14
amichairJontheEchidna: thanks. I opted for marking the bugs duplicate, but good to know anyway :-)14:14
amichairJontheEchidna: finished the find mirrors bug, everything works (also cancel) and looking better :-)14:15
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JontheEchidnacool14:17
amichairJontheEchidna: someone tried to brute-force proper multithreading there :-/14:18
amichairJontheEchidna: anything else interesting to look at?14:26
JontheEchidnafor software-properties? You've just about taken care of all the known issues there14:27
JontheEchidnajockey, the restricted drivers installer, could use some love: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey?field.searchtext=jockey-kde14:28
amichairJontheEchidna: so, did I pass the audition?14:28
Riddellamichair: dood, you rock!14:33
amichairRiddell: thanks! so little positive feedback around here... only JontheEchidna around here... oh and also apachelogger once gave me a cookie :-P14:35
Riddellamichair: sorry, I just havn't been able to look at your changes yet, but from what you've been saying fixing old bugs is great stuff14:36
amichairRiddell: well, u can't ship an LTS that crashes on users, can u? :-)14:39
RiddellScottK: you're doing a plenary on kubuntu netbook?14:39
* Nightrose hands a few more cookies to amichair for good meassure14:43
yuriyoh, i just realized what apaku was complaining about -- kdevelop3 is not in Karmic at all14:48
Riddellyuriy: yeah, and I don't remember why we did that, maybe we expected the final thing to be out in time14:49
yuriyor maybe because kdevelop3 is fairly broken without all the kde3 stuff14:50
* amichair does that Indian thankyou hand gesture thing to Nightrose14:52
Nightrose;-)14:52
Riddellyuriy: yeah maybe14:54
Riddellamichair: what's that gesture?14:54
amichairRiddell: http://www.gilesorr.com/nucleusblog/media/1/20051020-RonaldMcDonaldThai.jpg14:59
amichairJontheEchidna: I'm hopping aournd between links there, but can find the jockey-kde branch... where is it?15:03
amichairJontheEchidna: can't, that is15:03
amichairRiddell: it's actually called the namaste gesture, but is used both in greeting ('namaste!') and thankyous15:06
Riddellwow that clown is scary15:07
markeyheh15:07
markeyfunny how Riddell's blog contrasts with this one: "I think I’m tired of Desktop Linux"15:07
amichairyep, sure is15:08
markeywas it conincidence? :)15:08
markeycoincidence even15:08
Riddellmarkey: there was a feeling that planet was a bit too negative today so I moved forward a positive blog I had been planning15:08
markeyRiddell: I think you did that well15:09
markeymore power to you15:09
* amichair is sorry to say he almost thought the same thing today... and misses the better desktop responsiveness on his old P4 with winxp...15:09
markeythat vanrin guy is not exactly giving kde much15:09
markeyI wonder what he does at all15:10
markeybesides ranting15:10
amichairlinks?15:10
markeyhttp://movingparts.net/2009/11/10/i-think-im-tired-of-desktop-linux/15:10
markeybeware, it's messy15:10
markeythe guy can't write15:10
JontheEchidnahe's the kpilot guy15:12
JontheEchidnaamichair: https://edge.launchpad.net/jockey/trunk15:15
MamarokRiddell: something's borked with KDM: if you log out of KDE, X crashes and you end up with the KDM loging screen with keyboard and mouse unresponsive15:16
Mamarokalso, markey just had a hal crash, which I had the other day15:16
Mamaroknot graphic card specific, he has Nvidia, I have ATI15:16
amichairJontheEchidna: bzr: ERROR: exceptions.KeyError: 'Bazaar repository format 2a (needs bzr 1.16 or later)\n'15:18
Mamarokknown bug? It's either KDM or X, but a serious regression15:18
JontheEchidnaamichair: O.o15:19
JontheEchidna!info bzr jaunty15:19
ubottubzr (source: bzr): easy to use distributed version control system. In component main, is optional. Version 1.13.1-1 (jaunty), package size 5171 kB, installed size 17768 kB15:19
JontheEchidnaah, that'd do it15:19
markeyholy shit15:19
markeythat was nasty15:20
markeymy whole system crashed15:20
markeysomething is fishy with the KDE 4.3.3 packages15:20
markeycouldn't access any devices any more, then logged out, then keyboard and mouse froze15:20
amichairJontheEchidna: :-/15:23
amichairJontheEchidna: maybe it's time to take the plunge and upgrade... ?15:28
JontheEchidnamaybe :)15:29
amichairnow that I have an auto-selected best mirror, it should be a snap :-)15:30
JontheEchidnahehe15:32
amichaircoming soon to repositories near you!15:32
JontheEchidnaRiddell: we upgraded to kdevelop4 because kdevelop3 was broken to the point where all libtool projects failed to build. (Plus the general lack of kde3 kio slaves, etc)16:03
RiddellJontheEchidna: yeah that rings a bell16:08
Riddellmaybe we should remove the beta from karmic though and just have more up to date versions in the appropriate kubuntu-ppa16:08
RiddellMamarok: X crash on logout was a problem with intel but we fixed before release, hal crash I havn't heard about16:16
RiddellMamarok: best advise for that sort is to turn on apport, see if you can recreate and report it with apport16:16
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* txwikinger thinks the updating system we use is too inflexible16:28
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neversfeldeRiddell: I have a problem with koffice, it ftfbs in a lucid pbuilder, smae package builds in a karmic pbuilder http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/315404/16:29
neversfeldeapachelogger said that it is probably a problem with the new pkg-kde-tools16:29
Riddellyeah I saw you were talking to him about that16:30
RiddellI'll look at it shortly, battling with beurocracy just now16:31
txwikingerbureaucracy.. what a fun16:32
shadeslayerhi can someone help me with compiling amarok from git?16:34
Riddellok kdevelop removed from karmic16:36
Riddellshadeslayer: unless it's a kubuntu specific question that's better in #kde-devel or #amarok16:36
txwikingerkdevelop removed?16:37
shadeslayerRiddell: its kubuntu specific :)16:37
Riddelltxwikinger: yeah, it was beta, not release quality, we'll put updated versions into backport beta PPA16:37
shadeslayerwell i get : http://pastebin.ca/1666661 : and i need to compile mysql with -fpic16:37
txwikingerRiddell: ah ok16:38
txwikingershadeslayer: do you have the right header packages installed?16:38
shadeslayerRiddell: so i wanted to know if recompiling mysql was necessary16:38
shadeslayertxwikinger: i did sudo apt-get build dep amarok16:39
Riddellshadeslayer: we build against libmysqld-pic and mysql-server-5.116:39
shadeslayerah..16:39
shadeslayerRiddell: ah ok i figured it out,someone at #amarok told me to install libmysqlclient15-dev16:40
shadeslayerthanks guys,you dont mind if i hang out here do you?16:41
Riddellshadeslayer: only if you fix five bugs a day :)16:44
markeyRiddell: I don't have Intel graphics, I have NVidia. Apport is disabled (really dislike it)16:44
markeybut if can do anything else to help, I can try16:44
markeyKDE 4.3.3 upgrade seemed to bring some instabilities here16:45
markeyanother regression: try to set Fullscreen mode in VLC16:45
markey-> Plasma panel stays open16:45
markeythat used to work with 4.3.2 packages16:46
shadeslayerRiddell: well i do try to,but launchpad.net is blocked by my uni :D16:46
Riddellshadeslayer: seriously?16:46
shadeslayerive asked them to unblock it today :P16:46
rgreeningthats foobar16:46
rgreening:P16:46
txwikingershadeslayer: How much did M$ pay for that one?16:46
neversfeldeupstream wrote a mail about kid3 to the motu list. He says that kid3 does not need libmp4v2 with TagLib 1.6. So we could remove the dependency and move kid3 back to universe.the disadvantage is, that kid3 cannot add album art to mp4 files without libmp4v2.16:47
neversfeldewhat will we do?16:47
shadeslayertxwikinger: hehe,the whole college has a MS License16:47
Riddellmarkey: apport might get in the way for crashes in apps you know about but I think for X and hal which you may not it's a more reliable way of getting the necessary information into a bug report16:48
txwikingershadeslayer: well maybe blocking lauchpad might be hardcoded in M$ firewall.. they don't want people to see bug #116:49
ubottuhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 (Timeout)16:49
markeyhm, true16:49
shadeslayertxwikinger: maybe :)16:49
shadeslayerwell i can help in triaging,not fixing though :)16:49
Riddellmarkey: I think I've seen that panel issue too, maybe we should find a plasma type to poke17:03
shadeslayerRiddell: oh that panel pops up in dragon player too,if the panel is at the top of the screen17:04
* txwikinger has lots of interesting things (mostly empty) pop up.. must be some notification thing17:11
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txwikingerthe scrolling issue still exists in Karmic.. and since it is on both arora and konq, I would think it is a qt problem17:30
Riddellscrolling?17:31
txwikingersometimes when I scroll in those browsers, not the whole contents is scrolled, but only part of it17:31
shadeslayertxwikinger: yeah that happens in rekonq as well17:33
shadeslayerhavent experienced it in the git builds though17:33
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ghostcubeehlo peoples18:18
Riddelldantti: I'm not sure I follow your blog, you wrote a dbus(+KDE) frontend to debconf, but how does that help kpackagekit which doesn't use debconf?18:28
jussi01Riddell: can you find me a Kubuntu Tshirt somewhere? :D18:44
jussi01XL if you can...18:45
* amichair would like a kubuntu mug to dip cookies in!18:46
jussi01amichair: and just who said you were getting cookies? and where are mine? :D :P18:50
amichairNightrose gave me some earlier today... and apachelogger has a stash hidden away somewhere around here...18:51
amichairwhelp, just finished the karmic upgrade, need to restart. cya on the other side!18:51
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Mamarokjussi01: sad you didn't come to Akademy, you would have such a shirt now :)18:53
jussi01Mamarok: yeah, but not everyone has money and time (at the same time)18:55
Mamarokjussi01: hm, not an e.V. member?18:55
jussi01Mamarok: e.V. ?18:57
Daskreechamichair: Kookies!18:57
Mamarokjussi01: KDE :)18:59
* jussi01 doesnt get it...19:00
ghostcubei have a nice set of kde coffe cups19:00
ghostcube:)19:01
ghostcubeglas all19:01
Mamarokfrom Glasgow?19:02
JontheEchidnahttp://dantti.wordpress.com/2009/11/11/packagekit-and-debconf-status/19:50
JontheEchidnaoh, that probably gave dantti a highlight, sorry 'bout that :)19:50
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ScottKRiddell: I am.19:55
amichaircrap the upgrade to karmic broke mysql :-(20:04
dtchen_does the caveat regarding mysql apply to you?20:06
dtchen_(...at least I *think* there was a caveat for mysql)20:06
amichairdtchen_: where would I find info about that?20:07
dtchen_amichair: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/910#MySQL%20upgrade20:12
amichairdtchen_: it says using upgrade manager should properly upgrade from 5.0 to 5.1, but I seem to be left with a broken 5.020:14
dtchen_amichair: you'll want to check the update-manager bug reports, then, and file a new bug if you're unsure.20:17
amichairdtchen_: ok, thanks. I'll try upgrading to 5.1 manually, hope it'll work20:17
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amichairdtchen_: installing 5.1 manually fixed it (removing 5.0). thanks :-)20:28
dtchen_np20:28
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nixternalhola!!!20:59
nixternalam I still wanted around here? did everyone forget about me? let me know soon please :p20:59
markeyno, we hate you with passion!21:00
markey(why would you not be wanted?)21:00
nixternalfigures, guess it is time to switch to gnome ;p21:00
nixternali have been gone for like a month :)21:00
markeywell, wb then :)21:00
dtchen_hey, it's rich the drunk dancer21:01
nixternallost 31 pounds, and I am absolutely exhausted21:01
nixternalI don't want to get anywhere near my bicycle for some time21:01
markeysports or meth?21:01
nixternalhehe, sports :)21:01
nixternalwe don't have meth in chicago21:01
markey:)21:01
nixternalwe have math21:01
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Riddellnixternal.  nixternal.  I remember that name.  loud chap, american21:14
nixternalhah!21:14
nixternalno more loud here... 0 voice, 31 poiunds smaller, and about 0 sleep in the past month21:14
Riddell0 sleep?  obviously not excercising hard enough then21:15
nixternalheh21:16
nixternal1900 miles in 24 days...plenty of exercise21:16
Riddellanywhere exciting?21:16
nixternalfrom Bar Harbor Maine to the Florida Keys21:17
nixternala bunch of mountains, the ocean for most of the ride21:17
* ScottK thought bicycling was done on land?21:20
dtchen_nixternal is just good like that21:20
nixternalhaha21:20
yuriyooh nixternal! welcome back!21:22
nixternalthanks21:22
JontheEchidnao/ nixternal21:23
ryanakcaWelcome back nixternal :)21:32
Riddellwe missed you nixy21:32
nixternalaww thanks!21:33
nixternalI will be ready in a couple of days time to start working again :)21:33
Tm_T!nixternal21:33
ubottuOh no!  The pointy-clicky Windows7 lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, and help on the MIRC client too! <nixternal> I LOVE MIRC!!!21:33
nixternalI am going to chill tonight for sure....wonder how long I can stay awake21:33
nixternaldamn, I missed the Windows 7 launch!21:33
Tm_Tnixternal: see, we never forgot you! <321:33
nixternalwe had a Microsoft support vehicle for our cycling trip21:33
ScottKLike usual or actual working?21:33
ScottK;-)21:33
nixternalthey liked my ubuntu duffle bag, which I have to say is much nicer than the LIVESTRONG duffle bag21:34
nixternalScottK: plan on doing some work...gotta find a job too...about time I get back into the swing of things21:34
macoi really really hope this kne iso downloads without becoming corrupted by ext4 so i can get it onto a flash drive for tonight's installfest21:50
maconixternal: oy, where've you been? i was trying to point one of the new folks in #u-w at you21:50
macodunno where she went now. but you're the documentation man for kde, right?21:51
nixternalI have been on my cycling trip21:52
nixternalI will get back to being the documentation person for kde shortly21:52
maconixternal: cycling trip?21:54
macothis sounds like exercise21:54
* maco hids21:54
maco*hides21:54
macohrm maybe i should play with ktouch....or well...nevermind, ktouch is full of spelling errors21:55
ScottKRiddell: There is a "Kubuntu Lucid Development" session in the last time period that isn't linked to a spec.  It makes it a bit tough to sign up for the session.21:55
ScottKmaco: Sounds like another opportunity for upstream patches.21:56
macoScottK: i actually *do* have an idea what's wrong. i think they're allocating a buffer 1 char too small so the last letter of every word pulled from the dictionary is missing, leading to such great spelling as: secretarie21:57
ScottKOoh.  Nice.21:58
maco(when the original word was secretaries)21:58
RiddellSime: pykde question in #kde-devel22:41
RiddellScottK: it's https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-lucid-development22:59
ScottKRiddell: Thanks.23:18
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