[00:51] <amichair> JontheEchidna: ping
[00:51] <JontheEchidna> amichair: pong
[00:52] <amichair> JontheEchidna: regarding the ping test, what is the desired presentation? other than the progress bar, there's the text on top - what sould it show?
[00:53] <JontheEchidna> the "find best server" thing?
[00:56] <amichair> JontheEchidna: yep
[00:56] <amichair> JontheEchidna: got it working, but with all the messed up commented code, I'm not sure what was intended to be displayed
[00:56] <JontheEchidna> I've actually never seen that work. Ideally it should show the text, progress bar and at the end automagically select the best server without crashing and/or spewing tons of nonsense out to konsole
[00:57] <JontheEchidna> perhaps the name of the server it is trying?
[00:57] <JontheEchidna> dunno really
[00:57] <amichair> does it work in gtk?
[00:58] <JontheEchidna> probably. I doubt they'd let something like that slip through
[00:59] <amichair> I wish we could say the same about kubuntu :(
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> yeah :(
[01:00] <JontheEchidna> hopefully we can change that
[01:01] <amichair> ok, I'll try to see what they do and copy that
[01:02] <amichair> JontheEchidna: but at least we've got progress :-)
[01:02] <amichair> amichair: (pun intended)
[01:02] <JontheEchidna> lol
[07:23] <jussi01> hrm, lovely, a not very verbose error from apt..
[07:23] <jussi01> Registering documents with scrollkeeper...
[07:23] <jussi01> Errors were encountered while processing:
[07:23] <jussi01>  /var/cache/apt/archives/libqt4-opengl-dev_4%3a4.6.0~beta1-1ubuntu1~ppa1_i386.deb
[07:23] <jussi01> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[07:24] <Tm_T> that's error from dpkg, try using it directly with some additional debug option
[07:27] <jussi01> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libqt4-opengl-dev:
[07:27] <jussi01>  libqt4-opengl-dev depends on libqt4-opengl (= 4:4.6.0~beta1-1ubuntu1~ppa1); however:
[07:27] <jussi01>   Package libqt4-opengl is not configured yet.
[07:27] <jussi01>  libqt4-opengl-dev depends on libqt4-dev (= 4:4.6.0~beta1-1ubuntu1~ppa1); however:
[07:27] <jussi01>   Package libqt4-dev is not configured yet.
[07:27] <jussi01> curious.
[07:28] <jussi01> simple apt-get install -f fixed it, but still, that shoudlnt happen.
[08:02] <jussi01> hrm, jockey-kde not working on this machine.. :/
[08:03] <jussi01> loads, finds the driver, but no istall when button clicked. (yes, package cache is up to date)
[08:04] <jussi01> jockey-gtk works fine though.
[08:58]  * jussi01 sighs at: http://imagebin.ca/view/EayMIDu.html
[08:58] <jussi01> there should be something telling the user what to install there.
[08:58] <jussi01> that message is mostly useless.
[09:11] <apachelogger> nhandler: kubuntu-members owns the branch, so it doesnt make much difference, does it :P
[09:15] <Quintasan> hiho
[09:39] <Tm_T> brrrh, sillyness: http://sandrotosi.blogspot.com/2009/11/things-that-make-me-angry.html
[09:45] <Quintasan> oh well, I guess everyone needs to troll once in a while
[09:51] <Riddell> apachelogger: what's up with docs path?
[09:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: somewhere within pkg-kde-tools there seems to be a function that tries to manually do something to the docs
[09:53] <apachelogger> just grep for kde4/HTML
[09:53] <apachelogger> that needs to be changed to kde/HTML
[09:54]  * apachelogger compiles go and is quite frightened by the length of today's todo :|
[09:57] <Riddell> "The membership of usr (usrlp) in the Kubuntu Bugs (kubuntu-bugs) team has expired." oh thank goodness
[10:26] <Nightrose> \o/
[10:29] <Tm_T> usr?
[10:40] <apachelogger> kate needs syntax highlight for go
[10:40] <apachelogger> and I should buy something to eat
[10:41] <Tm_T> apachelogger: I recommend some apples
[10:43] <jussi01> apachelogger: applestrudel :D
[10:48] <Tm_T> we have ~20 cm snow here atleast, finally
[10:50]  * apachelogger just told his flatmate to run killall -9 java
[10:50] <apachelogger> apparently his netbook works way better now
[10:50] <apachelogger> muhahaha :D
[10:50]  * apachelogger creates syntaxhighlight0r for go
[10:53] <Riddell> hmm, someone not happy with our kdevelop beta on planet
[10:53] <Tm_T> noticed
[10:58] <Riddell> Lex79_: do you remember why we did that?
[12:52] <Riddell> the joysd of personalised spam"DownloadRoute.com  Hello!   We would like to inform you that your program kubuntu 9.10 has successfully passed antivirus and antispyware tests and were so impressed that we decided to give you our 100% CLEAN award! We use for scanning now four of the best antivirus engines available on the   market."
[12:53] <amichair> yay! we passed! lol
[12:54] <freeflying> Riddell: so funny
[12:56] <tsimpson> it's be funnier if it didn't pass ;)
[13:04] <Tm_T> tsimpson: no, that would mean that I got caught then
[13:05] <Tm_T> err, I mean, ummm
[13:05]  * Tm_T hides
[13:05] <tsimpson> heh
[14:08] <amichair> what's the changelog syntax for 2 bug links on the same line?
[14:09] <amichair> is it (LP: #1) (LP: #2) or (LP: #1,#2) or similar?
[14:14] <JontheEchidna> amichair: both of those would work. I use the latter since it takes up less space
[14:14] <amichair> JontheEchidna: thanks. I opted for marking the bugs duplicate, but good to know anyway :-)
[14:15] <amichair> JontheEchidna: finished the find mirrors bug, everything works (also cancel) and looking better :-)
[14:17] <JontheEchidna> cool
[14:18] <amichair> JontheEchidna: someone tried to brute-force proper multithreading there :-/
[14:26] <amichair> JontheEchidna: anything else interesting to look at?
[14:27] <JontheEchidna> for software-properties? You've just about taken care of all the known issues there
[14:28] <JontheEchidna> jockey, the restricted drivers installer, could use some love: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey?field.searchtext=jockey-kde
[14:28] <amichair> JontheEchidna: so, did I pass the audition?
[14:33] <Riddell> amichair: dood, you rock!
[14:35] <amichair> Riddell: thanks! so little positive feedback around here... only JontheEchidna around here... oh and also apachelogger once gave me a cookie :-P
[14:36] <Riddell> amichair: sorry, I just havn't been able to look at your changes yet, but from what you've been saying fixing old bugs is great stuff
[14:39] <amichair> Riddell: well, u can't ship an LTS that crashes on users, can u? :-)
[14:39] <Riddell> ScottK: you're doing a plenary on kubuntu netbook?
[14:43]  * Nightrose hands a few more cookies to amichair for good meassure
[14:48] <yuriy> oh, i just realized what apaku was complaining about -- kdevelop3 is not in Karmic at all
[14:49] <Riddell> yuriy: yeah, and I don't remember why we did that, maybe we expected the final thing to be out in time
[14:50] <yuriy> or maybe because kdevelop3 is fairly broken without all the kde3 stuff
[14:52]  * amichair does that Indian thankyou hand gesture thing to Nightrose
[14:52] <Nightrose> ;-)
[14:54] <Riddell> yuriy: yeah maybe
[14:54] <Riddell> amichair: what's that gesture?
[14:59] <amichair> Riddell: http://www.gilesorr.com/nucleusblog/media/1/20051020-RonaldMcDonaldThai.jpg
[15:03] <amichair> JontheEchidna: I'm hopping aournd between links there, but can find the jockey-kde branch... where is it?
[15:03] <amichair> JontheEchidna: can't, that is
[15:06] <amichair> Riddell: it's actually called the namaste gesture, but is used both in greeting ('namaste!') and thankyous
[15:07] <Riddell> wow that clown is scary
[15:07] <markey> heh
[15:07] <markey> funny how Riddell's blog contrasts with this one: "I think I’m tired of Desktop Linux"
[15:08] <amichair> yep, sure is
[15:08] <markey> was it conincidence? :)
[15:08] <markey> coincidence even
[15:08] <Riddell> markey: there was a feeling that planet was a bit too negative today so I moved forward a positive blog I had been planning
[15:09] <markey> Riddell: I think you did that well
[15:09] <markey> more power to you
[15:09]  * amichair is sorry to say he almost thought the same thing today... and misses the better desktop responsiveness on his old P4 with winxp...
[15:09] <markey> that vanrin guy is not exactly giving kde much
[15:10] <markey> I wonder what he does at all
[15:10] <markey> besides ranting
[15:10] <amichair> links?
[15:10] <markey> http://movingparts.net/2009/11/10/i-think-im-tired-of-desktop-linux/
[15:10] <markey> beware, it's messy
[15:10] <markey> the guy can't write
[15:12] <JontheEchidna> he's the kpilot guy
[15:15] <JontheEchidna> amichair: https://edge.launchpad.net/jockey/trunk
[15:16] <Mamarok> Riddell: something's borked with KDM: if you log out of KDE, X crashes and you end up with the KDM loging screen with keyboard and mouse unresponsive
[15:16] <Mamarok> also, markey just had a hal crash, which I had the other day
[15:16] <Mamarok> not graphic card specific, he has Nvidia, I have ATI
[15:18] <amichair> JontheEchidna: bzr: ERROR: exceptions.KeyError: 'Bazaar repository format 2a (needs bzr 1.16 or later)\n'
[15:18] <Mamarok> known bug? It's either KDM or X, but a serious regression
[15:19] <JontheEchidna> amichair: O.o
[15:19] <JontheEchidna> !info bzr jaunty
[15:19] <JontheEchidna> ah, that'd do it
[15:19] <markey> holy shit
[15:20] <markey> that was nasty
[15:20] <markey> my whole system crashed
[15:20] <markey> something is fishy with the KDE 4.3.3 packages
[15:20] <markey> couldn't access any devices any more, then logged out, then keyboard and mouse froze
[15:23] <amichair> JontheEchidna: :-/
[15:28] <amichair> JontheEchidna: maybe it's time to take the plunge and upgrade... ?
[15:29] <JontheEchidna> maybe :)
[15:30] <amichair> now that I have an auto-selected best mirror, it should be a snap :-)
[15:32] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[15:32] <amichair> coming soon to repositories near you!
[16:03] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: we upgraded to kdevelop4 because kdevelop3 was broken to the point where all libtool projects failed to build. (Plus the general lack of kde3 kio slaves, etc)
[16:08] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yeah that rings a bell
[16:08] <Riddell> maybe we should remove the beta from karmic though and just have more up to date versions in the appropriate kubuntu-ppa
[16:16] <Riddell> Mamarok: X crash on logout was a problem with intel but we fixed before release, hal crash I havn't heard about
[16:16] <Riddell> Mamarok: best advise for that sort is to turn on apport, see if you can recreate and report it with apport
[16:28]  * txwikinger thinks the updating system we use is too inflexible
[16:29] <neversfelde> Riddell: I have a problem with koffice, it ftfbs in a lucid pbuilder, smae package builds in a karmic pbuilder http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/315404/
[16:29] <neversfelde> apachelogger said that it is probably a problem with the new pkg-kde-tools
[16:30] <Riddell> yeah I saw you were talking to him about that
[16:31] <Riddell> I'll look at it shortly, battling with beurocracy just now
[16:32] <txwikinger> bureaucracy.. what a fun
[16:34] <shadeslayer> hi can someone help me with compiling amarok from git?
[16:36] <Riddell> ok kdevelop removed from karmic
[16:36] <Riddell> shadeslayer: unless it's a kubuntu specific question that's better in #kde-devel or #amarok
[16:37] <txwikinger> kdevelop removed?
[16:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: its kubuntu specific :)
[16:37] <Riddell> txwikinger: yeah, it was beta, not release quality, we'll put updated versions into backport beta PPA
[16:37] <shadeslayer> well i get : http://pastebin.ca/1666661 : and i need to compile mysql with -fpic
[16:38] <txwikinger> Riddell: ah ok
[16:38] <txwikinger> shadeslayer: do you have the right header packages installed?
[16:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: so i wanted to know if recompiling mysql was necessary
[16:39] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: i did sudo apt-get build dep amarok
[16:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer: we build against libmysqld-pic and mysql-server-5.1
[16:39] <shadeslayer> ah..
[16:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ah ok i figured it out,someone at #amarok told me to install libmysqlclient15-dev
[16:41] <shadeslayer> thanks guys,you dont mind if i hang out here do you?
[16:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: only if you fix five bugs a day :)
[16:44] <markey> Riddell: I don't have Intel graphics, I have NVidia. Apport is disabled (really dislike it)
[16:44] <markey> but if can do anything else to help, I can try
[16:45] <markey> KDE 4.3.3 upgrade seemed to bring some instabilities here
[16:45] <markey> another regression: try to set Fullscreen mode in VLC
[16:45] <markey> -> Plasma panel stays open
[16:46] <markey> that used to work with 4.3.2 packages
[16:46] <shadeslayer> Riddell: well i do try to,but launchpad.net is blocked by my uni :D
[16:46] <Riddell> shadeslayer: seriously?
[16:46] <shadeslayer> ive asked them to unblock it today :P
[16:46] <rgreening> thats foobar
[16:46] <rgreening> :P
[16:46] <txwikinger> shadeslayer: How much did M$ pay for that one?
[16:47] <neversfelde> upstream wrote a mail about kid3 to the motu list. He says that kid3 does not need libmp4v2 with TagLib 1.6. So we could remove the dependency and move kid3 back to universe.the disadvantage is, that kid3 cannot add album art to mp4 files without libmp4v2.
[16:47] <neversfelde> what will we do?
[16:47] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: hehe,the whole college has a MS License
[16:48] <Riddell> markey: apport might get in the way for crashes in apps you know about but I think for X and hal which you may not it's a more reliable way of getting the necessary information into a bug report
[16:49] <txwikinger> shadeslayer: well maybe blocking lauchpad might be hardcoded in M$ firewall.. they don't want people to see bug #1
[16:49] <markey> hm, true
[16:49] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: maybe :)
[16:49] <shadeslayer> well i can help in triaging,not fixing though :)
[17:03] <Riddell> markey: I think I've seen that panel issue too, maybe we should find a plasma type to poke
[17:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh that panel pops up in dragon player too,if the panel is at the top of the screen
[17:11]  * txwikinger has lots of interesting things (mostly empty) pop up.. must be some notification thing
[17:30] <txwikinger> the scrolling issue still exists in Karmic.. and since it is on both arora and konq, I would think it is a qt problem
[17:31] <Riddell> scrolling?
[17:31] <txwikinger> sometimes when I scroll in those browsers, not the whole contents is scrolled, but only part of it
[17:33] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: yeah that happens in rekonq as well
[17:33] <shadeslayer> havent experienced it in the git builds though
[18:18] <ghostcube> ehlo peoples
[18:28] <Riddell> dantti: I'm not sure I follow your blog, you wrote a dbus(+KDE) frontend to debconf, but how does that help kpackagekit which doesn't use debconf?
[18:44] <jussi01> Riddell: can you find me a Kubuntu Tshirt somewhere? :D
[18:45] <jussi01> XL if you can...
[18:46]  * amichair would like a kubuntu mug to dip cookies in!
[18:50] <jussi01> amichair: and just who said you were getting cookies? and where are mine? :D :P
[18:51] <amichair> Nightrose gave me some earlier today... and apachelogger has a stash hidden away somewhere around here...
[18:51] <amichair> whelp, just finished the karmic upgrade, need to restart. cya on the other side!
[18:53] <Mamarok> jussi01: sad you didn't come to Akademy, you would have such a shirt now :)
[18:55] <jussi01> Mamarok: yeah, but not everyone has money and time (at the same time)
[18:55] <Mamarok> jussi01: hm, not an e.V. member?
[18:57] <jussi01> Mamarok: e.V. ?
[18:57] <Daskreech> amichair: Kookies!
[18:59] <Mamarok> jussi01: KDE :)
[19:00]  * jussi01 doesnt get it...
[19:00] <ghostcube> i have a nice set of kde coffe cups
[19:01] <ghostcube> :)
[19:01] <ghostcube> glas all
[19:02] <Mamarok> from Glasgow?
[19:50] <JontheEchidna> http://dantti.wordpress.com/2009/11/11/packagekit-and-debconf-status/
[19:50] <JontheEchidna> oh, that probably gave dantti a highlight, sorry 'bout that :)
[19:55] <ScottK> Riddell: I am.
[20:04] <amichair> crap the upgrade to karmic broke mysql :-(
[20:06] <dtchen_> does the caveat regarding mysql apply to you?
[20:06] <dtchen_> (...at least I *think* there was a caveat for mysql)
[20:07] <amichair> dtchen_: where would I find info about that?
[20:12] <dtchen_> amichair: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/910#MySQL%20upgrade
[20:14] <amichair> dtchen_: it says using upgrade manager should properly upgrade from 5.0 to 5.1, but I seem to be left with a broken 5.0
[20:17] <dtchen_> amichair: you'll want to check the update-manager bug reports, then, and file a new bug if you're unsure.
[20:17] <amichair> dtchen_: ok, thanks. I'll try upgrading to 5.1 manually, hope it'll work
[20:28] <amichair> dtchen_: installing 5.1 manually fixed it (removing 5.0). thanks :-)
[20:28] <dtchen_> np
[20:59] <nixternal> hola!!!
[20:59] <nixternal> am I still wanted around here? did everyone forget about me? let me know soon please :p
[21:00] <markey> no, we hate you with passion!
[21:00] <markey> (why would you not be wanted?)
[21:00] <nixternal> figures, guess it is time to switch to gnome ;p
[21:00] <nixternal> i have been gone for like a month :)
[21:00] <markey> well, wb then :)
[21:01] <dtchen_> hey, it's rich the drunk dancer
[21:01] <nixternal> lost 31 pounds, and I am absolutely exhausted
[21:01] <nixternal> I don't want to get anywhere near my bicycle for some time
[21:01] <markey> sports or meth?
[21:01] <nixternal> hehe, sports :)
[21:01] <nixternal> we don't have meth in chicago
[21:01] <markey> :)
[21:01] <nixternal> we have math
[21:14] <Riddell> nixternal.  nixternal.  I remember that name.  loud chap, american
[21:14] <nixternal> hah!
[21:14] <nixternal> no more loud here... 0 voice, 31 poiunds smaller, and about 0 sleep in the past month
[21:15] <Riddell> 0 sleep?  obviously not excercising hard enough then
[21:16] <nixternal> heh
[21:16] <nixternal> 1900 miles in 24 days...plenty of exercise
[21:16] <Riddell> anywhere exciting?
[21:17] <nixternal> from Bar Harbor Maine to the Florida Keys
[21:17] <nixternal> a bunch of mountains, the ocean for most of the ride
[21:20]  * ScottK thought bicycling was done on land?
[21:20] <dtchen_> nixternal is just good like that
[21:20] <nixternal> haha
[21:22] <yuriy> ooh nixternal! welcome back!
[21:22] <nixternal> thanks
[21:23] <JontheEchidna> o/ nixternal
[21:32] <ryanakca> Welcome back nixternal :)
[21:32] <Riddell> we missed you nixy
[21:33] <nixternal> aww thanks!
[21:33] <nixternal> I will be ready in a couple of days time to start working again :)
[21:33] <Tm_T> !nixternal
[21:33] <nixternal> I am going to chill tonight for sure....wonder how long I can stay awake
[21:33] <nixternal> damn, I missed the Windows 7 launch!
[21:33] <Tm_T> nixternal: see, we never forgot you! <3
[21:33] <nixternal> we had a Microsoft support vehicle for our cycling trip
[21:33] <ScottK> Like usual or actual working?
[21:33] <ScottK> ;-)
[21:34] <nixternal> they liked my ubuntu duffle bag, which I have to say is much nicer than the LIVESTRONG duffle bag
[21:34] <nixternal> ScottK: plan on doing some work...gotta find a job too...about time I get back into the swing of things
[21:50] <maco> i really really hope this kne iso downloads without becoming corrupted by ext4 so i can get it onto a flash drive for tonight's installfest
[21:50] <maco> nixternal: oy, where've you been? i was trying to point one of the new folks in #u-w at you
[21:51] <maco> dunno where she went now. but you're the documentation man for kde, right?
[21:52] <nixternal> I have been on my cycling trip
[21:52] <nixternal> I will get back to being the documentation person for kde shortly
[21:54] <maco> nixternal: cycling trip?
[21:54] <maco> this sounds like exercise
[21:54]  * maco hids
[21:54] <maco> *hides
[21:55] <maco> hrm maybe i should play with ktouch....or well...nevermind, ktouch is full of spelling errors
[21:55] <ScottK> Riddell: There is a "Kubuntu Lucid Development" session in the last time period that isn't linked to a spec.  It makes it a bit tough to sign up for the session.
[21:56] <ScottK> maco: Sounds like another opportunity for upstream patches.
[21:57] <maco> ScottK: i actually *do* have an idea what's wrong. i think they're allocating a buffer 1 char too small so the last letter of every word pulled from the dictionary is missing, leading to such great spelling as: secretarie
[21:58] <ScottK> Ooh.  Nice.
[21:58] <maco> (when the original word was secretaries)
[22:41] <Riddell> Sime: pykde question in #kde-devel
[22:59] <Riddell> ScottK: it's https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-lucid-development
[23:18] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.