[00:56] <rsc___> so hey.
[00:56] <rsc___> what does it mean when something's supposed to be "tango compliant"?
[00:57] <coz_> rsc___,  there are requirements for tango let me see if I can find that
[00:58] <coz_> rsc___,   http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Icon_Theme_Guidelines
[00:58] <rsc___> ah. there we go.
[01:00] <coz_> rsc___,  I am personally not very keen on tango icons etc but many many  people are
[01:01] <rsc___> i see a lot of people making a fuzz about an icon set's "tango-compliance" even on icon sets that bear little resemblance to Tango. I always assumed this was some convention on filenames, but i realized that's freedesktop's (i think)
[01:01] <rsc___> neither am I really
[01:02] <rsc___> at least, it's visual style with a tendency to have thick strokes when upscaled
[01:02] <coz_> yes
[01:02] <rsc___> but i've always found the effort it took to orchestrate and execute to be beyond admirable.
[01:02] <coz_> now there is the new  elementary project  and it is starting up a bit slowly
[01:03] <coz_> I dont see ...or actually havent looked... to see if elementary has requrements for it
[01:03] <rsc___> ah, there... from what I understand, Ubuntu's new icon theme humanity is a derivative of that, and I often hear complaints today of it's tango (non-)compliance
[01:03] <coz_> http://www.elementary-project.com/
[01:05] <rsc___> awesome.
[01:06] <coz_> I prefer that look over tango
[01:06] <rsc___> same.
[01:06] <rsc___> massive improvement imho.
[01:07] <coz_> rsc___,  well its another choice ... and the more choices someone has  regarding linux ... I believe... the better off everyone is
[01:07] <rsc___> yep.
[01:07] <rsc___> IMHO, it's also evolution.
[01:07] <rsc___> tango was and is a great effort.
[01:08] <rsc___> i bet a lot of these icon themes started as a project to improve upon tango (gnome-colors, elementary, and the likes)
[01:08] <coz_> rsc___, http://www.oxygen-icons.org/
[01:08] <rsc___> and today the humanity set's a very welcome improvement to the linux desktop (in most peoples opinion anyway)
[01:09] <rsc___> oxygen was good too
[01:09] <rsc___> wasn't much of a fan though
[01:09] <coz_> understood
[05:00] <mac_v> kwwii: hope you guys plan to add new sounds for Lucid...
[06:15] <kwwii> mac_v: dude, I wish that too
[06:16] <kwwii> but I can almost promise you that it will not happen because the whole chain is not in place
[06:16] <kwwii> then again, maybe I am just being stupid
[06:16] <kwwii> time for sleep
[06:17]  * kwwii is not in the best of mood and I apologize for it
[08:28] <mac_v> thorwil_: hey , did you see the scrollbar in google wave? its kinda similar to your idea... not exactly, but sorta
[14:19] <mac_v> thorwil__: ping... ;)
[14:28] <thorwil__> mac_v: about to take a walk. shoot. quick.
[14:28] <mac_v> thorwil__: did you get my earlier IM>  hey , did you see the scrollbar in google wave? its kinda similar to your idea... not exactly, but sorta
[14:29] <thorwil__> mac_v: no, didn't. if i only knew what causes my recent connection problems ...
[14:29] <thorwil__> mac_v: i saw them on screenshots but have no idea how the work
[14:29] <mac_v> thorwil__: yeah , i noticed you kept dropping out... hence ;)
[14:29] <mac_v> thorwil__: it works kinda similarly , the scrollbar is fixed in size
[14:30] <mac_v> but it does not appear where the user points
[14:30] <mac_v> and not sure if page scroll is present
[14:31] <mac_v> thorwil__: I'm sure you can also get an invite at the UDS  ;p
[14:31] <mac_v> for google wave
[14:33] <mac_v> thorwil__: anyways , just wanted to mention... you could use it as a plus point when you show it to others  ;) [google likes your idea]
[14:34] <thorwil__> mac_v: only for the vague notion that google is willing to put something different in place of the traditional scrollbar ;)
[14:34]  * thorwil__ leaves
[14:36] <darkmatter> hmmm... I should pester the banshee devs
[14:37] <mac_v> darkmatter: for the scrollbar? hyperair?
[14:40] <darkmatter> mac_v: had a simple idea regarding the tooltip as a replacement for the mini player. instead of just a pretty tooltip. have it as a 'popup' as sorts, toss in the controls for previous, play/pause, and next in front of the progress slider (which would be able to be interacted with), and like an icon or button to restore banshee *shrug*
[14:41] <darkmatter> mac_v: I believe in avoiding right-click context menus whenever possible. a ui should be fully discoverable for the most part, not hidden away :P
[14:45] <mac_v> darkmatter: UNR does that [avoid right-click] in some places... but I get the point , yeah the controls can appear on hover and a user should be able to just click the overlay icons
[14:45] <darkmatter> aye
[14:52] <darkmatter> anyway. I need to commit the evil act known as 'sleep' o/
[17:33] <mac_v> kwwii: sent you a mail...[an idea for the monochromatic icons] just a reminder , in case you get too busy with the sprint to even check mails ;p
[17:34] <thorwil__> too busy for emails but still paying attention to irc? :)
[17:35] <mac_v> thorwil__: well he keeps saying he gets a *lot* of mails... so this way he might try to get to the mail ;)
[17:36]  * thorwil__ made backups right before creating an additional account, this time. hope it will not fuck up the whole installation again
[17:37] <mac_v> thorwil__: best comment by one of the UX team "Day two. Shoot me." ;)
[17:37] <heisemberg> hola
[17:37] <heisemberg> alguien habla español?
[17:38] <heisemberg> que requisitos se necesitan para colaborar ....
[17:40] <heisemberg> which are the requirements for working?
[17:40] <mac_v> heisemberg: most of the users speak English here... Yo no hablo español ;)
[17:41] <heisemberg> ok
[17:42] <heisemberg> then try to communicate through a translator
[17:44] <heisemberg> I know that conditions are needed to help in this community
[17:48] <mac_v> heisemberg: you can see > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork < for information about contributing to artwork
[17:52] <heisemberg> as I begin
[18:31] <thorwil> my /boot/grub is full of .mod's!!
[18:31] <thorwil> where's the equivalent of menu.1st?
[18:31] <mac_v> !grub2 | thorwil
[18:32] <mac_v> thorwil: grub.cfg ,but do *not* edit it
[18:32] <thorwil> reading, thank you, mac_v
[18:32] <mac_v> np.. :)
[18:34] <thorwil> i see a pattern here. we used to have an editable and dead simple resolv.conf ...
[18:38]  * thorwil is unhappy about added complexity with no apparent gain
[19:09] <mac_v> thorwil: any idea , whats with the mailing list? some mails dont arrive and some arrive late... very odd :/
[19:13] <thorwil_> mac_v: didn't notice
[19:14] <mac_v> thorwil_:  i got saleel's mail but havent yet got the initial mails sent by kwwii  , there seems to be some problems somewhere  :(  are you using gmail or ... ?
[19:18] <thorwil_> mac_v: oh right, i sometimes do see replies arrive before what-is-replied-to. on various lists
[19:18] <thorwil_> mac_v: i use a freemail provider via evolution. almost never via web interface
[19:18] <mac_v> ah , so then its not just me... \o/