[00:22] <rachaelb> evening peeps
[05:27] <kfizz> Anyone know if there's an API for UbuntuOne?
[12:14] <psypher246> hi all I need some assistance with ubuntuone it;s just not working as expected i have logged bugs and read reads bug not getting anywhere
[12:20] <Chipaca> psypher246: what part of ubuntuone is not working as expected?
[12:21] <psypher246> i copy files to it and takes DAYS to upload
[12:21] <psypher246> exceptionally slow
[12:21] <psypher246> this this is megabytes and i hqave gigabytes to upload
[12:22] <psypher246> I am going to be using jaunty for a hwile still and this ios the main machine i want to backup
[12:22] <Chipaca> psypher246: it is actually advancing towards being synchronized?
[12:22] <psypher246> i think so, little by little, but it would sometime sjut stall
[12:22] <psypher246> and this is not network related
[12:23] <psypher246> tried at home on 256kbps upload dsl line and at work on an international ISP's backbone
[12:24] <Chipaca> no, if the issue is as you describe, it's probably at our end
[12:24] <psypher246> if i can upload at 254 i am sortof expecting the service to allow me to do that
[12:24] <Chipaca> I'm alerting the relevant people (but maybe they already know)
[12:25] <psypher246> at irst i thought it was just ot syncing, but now i see it eventually syncs but just too slow to be useful
[12:25] <psypher246> thanks
[12:29] <Chipaca> psypher246: a question: is it bursty, in that you see an upload spike and then nothing for a long while, or is it just never uploading fast at all?
[12:31] <psypher246> bit of both, bursts to 12kb/s but never higher
[12:45] <psypher246> as as network test i can succesffully upload a large file to google docs at 2000KB/s
[12:45] <Chipaca> wow :) ok
[12:46] <psypher246> did the 14MB file in about 15seconds
[12:47] <psypher246> in the last hour 40 mins u1 has only done 19mb
[12:50] <Chipaca> psypher246: do you have a bug number handy?
[12:58] <psypher246> k let me look,
[13:00] <psypher246> 461004
[13:00] <psypher246> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/461004
[13:02] <rtagger> psypher246, I guess this is because NetworkManager is not running, u1 currently depends on nm to be running and providing info about whether we are connected to the network or not
[13:04] <psypher246> ok so not related then as that is not th eproblem i think
[13:07] <rtagger> psypher246, yes, your problem does not seem to be related to the original one, since it "occasionally" does sync
[13:07] <psypher246> ok so what info do you need?
[13:07] <Chipaca> psypher246: hmm..
[13:08] <Chipaca> psypher246: first, let's try something. In a terminal, do “killall ubuntuone-syncdaemon; /usr/lib/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-syncdaemon --debug” (without the quotes)
[13:10] <Chipaca> psypher246: and tell me when you've done that please :)
[13:11] <rtagger> Don't see community face notification, so... I see Tomboy notes get synced to ubuntuone server directly. Why are they replicated back to my local couchdb instance?
[13:12] <Chipaca> rtagger: question, where do you usually see community face notification?
[13:12] <Chipaca> maybe I forgot to do something :)
[13:14] <rtagger> Chipaca, it was in the room subject, as far as I remember... something like "Ping somebody" or Community "Face": somebody, and afterwards all the info about protocols etc.
[13:16] <psypher246> k done
[13:17] <Chipaca> rtagger: can you repeat your question to urbanape?
[13:17] <Chipaca> psypher246: what's the last few lines of output? could you pastebin them?
[13:19] <rtagger> urbanape,  I see Tomboy notes get synced to ubuntuone server directly. Why are they replicated back to my local couchdb instance? - I've read the e-mail from Elliot Murphy to the couchdb-dev list and it is done by design. Does it mean that Tomboy will ocassionally sync to local couchdb instead of remote server directly?
[13:22] <Chipaca> urbanape: (that's something you can answer, right? or did I get mixed up?)
[13:26] <psypher246> http://paste.ubuntu.com/315933/\
[13:27] <psypher246> http://paste.ubuntu.com/315933/
[13:32] <Chipaca> psypher246: #449918
[13:38] <joshuahoover> rtagger: i think tomboy notes get synced back from the server couchdb to your local couchdb because replication works on an all or nothing basis...statik could answer better...the other devs who work on the couchdb replication are unavailable currently
[13:39] <Chipaca> joshuahoover: I'm standing in for matt, as he is at a sprint
[13:39] <joshuahoover> Chipaca: ahhh
[13:39] <joshuahoover> Chipaca: i'll change the topic to you then?
[13:40] <Chipaca> joshuahoover: yes please
[13:41] <psypher246> Chipaca: according to that jpshua said there were server issues, but that was a month ago, is that still the issue?
[13:42] <rtagger> joshuahoover, okay, then it means that no matter what I push to couchdb locally, it will all go to ubuntuone servers. So for example if trackerd starts using couchdb service then I'll have lots of metadata info from one computer on another one with no access to the underlying files :). It it couchdb limitation for sync-all-or-nothing or it is implemented this way for the time being? it
[13:43] <Chipaca> psypher246: I think joshua was talking about other issues than the one that is making it slow for you right now
[13:43] <Chipaca> psypher246: but what I mean is: devs are aware of slowness, please subscribe to this bug so you get updates as progress is made
[13:44] <psypher246> ah ok
[13:44] <psypher246> what does triaged mean?
[13:44] <Chipaca> psypher246: you're doing nothing wrong, sorry it isn't working as well as you expect (or at all, in the "this is useful for me" sense of "work"). I don't expect a fix to this issue for another two weeks (or until november 23rd)
[13:45] <Chipaca> psypher246: that it's been identified as a real issue and has been assigned to somebody to have it fixed
[13:45] <Chipaca> psypher246: (just to be clear: that doesn't mean that I do expect a fix by that date)
[13:46] <psypher246> does this bug affect all versions of the client of just the jaunty one?
[13:47] <Chipaca> psypher246: the bug is on the server, so all clients
[13:47] <Chipaca> psypher246: that is AFAIK, but I could be wrong
[13:48] <Chipaca> psypher246: I assume that this is why the bug hasn't been moved to the server :)
[13:49] <psypher246> ok cool, i will wait then, thanks
[13:50] <urbanape> rtagger, Chipaca Not too sure. aquarius is the tomboy guy.
[13:51] <Chipaca> urbanape: ... and he's in the sprint. Rats
[13:54] <rtagger> urbanape, it's ok, this is by design, but I'm just curious about how many times my data is present over the network. The cloud concept is good, but my own computer turns into a cloud as well...
[13:54] <Chipaca> rtagger: could you use the couch list to ask this? or the ubuntuone list if not :)
[14:07] <joshuahoover> rtagger: we have plans to allow users to select which databases they want sync'd with the cloud
[14:08] <rtagger> joshuahoover, that makes perfect sense.
[14:11] <joshuahoover> rtagger: it's not ideal right now, we realize that...i'll make an FAQ about this since you're not the only who is going to have that question as couchdb gets used by more applications over time
[14:29] <deadvirus> hey
[14:30] <deadvirus> I've upload a file trough the web UI and my unbuntu one client does not download the file from the server to my computer...
[14:35] <verterok> deadvirus: the notification of new files between webUI -> file sharing server isn't working ATM, reconnecting the client or using u1sdtool in the CLI should trigger the update
[14:35] <verterok> s/update/download
[14:36] <deadvirus> yeah, I've reconnected and it downloaded =)
[14:37] <deadvirus> tks
[14:54] <deadvirus> in u1sdtool, what does this does "-w, --wait            Wait until ubuntuone-syncdaemon reachs nirvana"?
[14:55] <verterok> deadvirus: wait's until syncdaemon finish working, e.g: no more up/download
[14:55] <deadvirus> oh ok
[14:55] <deadvirus> how do I foce a sync?
[14:56] <deadvirus> server->client sync
[14:56] <verterok> deadvirus: u1sdtool --refresh /path/to/folder
[14:56] <verterok> deadvirus: "only for folders"
[14:56] <deadvirus> tks
[14:56] <deadvirus> but /path/to/folder is a local path right?
[14:57] <deadvirus> yes
[14:57] <deadvirus> it works
[14:57] <deadvirus> tks =)
[14:57] <verterok> deadvirus: yes :)
[14:58] <deadvirus> I must say that this is a really nice service
[14:58] <deadvirus> Ubuntu just keeps suprising me =)
[14:58] <verterok> good to hear that!
[14:58] <verterok> :-D
[14:58] <deadvirus> eheh
[14:59] <rachaelb> hi all... any sign of a new client applet yet?
[14:59] <deadvirus> oh one bug, if you do not refresh the ubuntu one web page for a while, and then do some action, you'll get an error...
[15:02] <verterok> rachaelb: a new client applet?
[15:02]  * verterok kicks his ISP
[15:02] <rachaelb> lol... hi,.. yeah... one that actaully auto-connects
[15:16] <CardinalFang> MEETING BEGINS.  Say 'me' to claim a slice of the desktop+ stand-up meeting, then take your turn by saying DONE/TODO/BLOCKED.   Desktop+!
[15:16] <teknico> me
[15:16] <CardinalFang> me
[15:19] <rodrigo_> me
[15:20] <vds> me
[15:21] <teknico> ok, many people are on holiday, shall I start?
[15:21] <teknico> (itching itching)
[15:21] <CardinalFang> Yes, please do, teknico.
[15:22] <teknico> DONE: published and discussed the contacts categories proposal; discussed #475224 again with rodrigo; participated in the desktop+ retrospective call; helped vds with twisted problems; done some reviews; planned new work on funambol phone sync with Chipaca and vds
[15:22] <teknico> TODO: do more reviews; estimate work on funambol phone sync; fix IM address handling in the contacts web UI (#475224)
[15:22] <teknico> BLOCK: none
[15:22] <teknico> next: CardinalFang
[15:22] <CardinalFang> DONE: Retro meeting. Couchdb discussion with Debian. More work on tests.
[15:22] <CardinalFang> TODO: Finish replication tests.
[15:22] <CardinalFang> BLOCKED: None.
[15:22] <CardinalFang> rodrigo_, please.
[15:22] <rodrigo_> • DONE: evo-couchdb bug fixing. Face duty. Submitted latest evo-couchdb package to our beta PPA. Discussions with Nicola about web UI<->evolution field mappings
[15:22] <rodrigo_> • TODO: Talk to Ara about writing mago tests for evo-couchdb. Conflict resolver tool in pair tool. Look at becoming a MOTU (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers). openSUSE/Fedora packaging with aquarius. API documentation for couchdb-glib. Make sandy's snowy test suite work with our server (http://git.gnome.org/cgit/snowy/tree/api/tests.py). Discuss with jdo and aquarius about oauth token per app, not per machine? Push evo-couchdb 
[15:22] <rodrigo_> • BLOCKED: no
[15:22] <rodrigo_> next vds
[15:22] <vds> DONE: figure out that the problems with my branch was not related to my code, retrospective call
[15:22] <vds> TODO: understand how to go ahead with the watch daemon, start again mobile sync
[15:22] <vds> BLOCKED: nope
[15:23] <vds> and that's it I guess
[15:23] <CardinalFang> Okay, if no further business, meeting ends.
[15:45] <rtagger> Has anybody thought of standalone ubuntuone client that does not sync the folders locally, but instead provides access to the server-side directories?
[15:46] <rtagger> I.e. I don't need the files at this computer, yet, I need full control over server view - upload, download, preview files, w/o actually having to download all my GBs of files.
[15:46] <rtagger> This may be a gvfs-based ftp-like service that uses the same protocol web UI is using but w/o web-ui stuff.
[15:47] <rtagger> So when I am on guest computer, I simply connect to the server with my credentials, copy-paste the files and disconnect. This approach may also be used for Windows clients, except that no gvfs/fuse seems to exist there.
[16:08] <Finnish> How do I upload multiple files to ubuntu one at the same time
[16:12] <Chipaca> Finnish: via the web, not possible right now
[16:14] <Finnish> How?
[16:16] <Chipaca> Finnish: if you use the desktop client, you can dump files in the Ubuntu One folder and they will eventually make it up
[16:16] <Chipaca> Finnish: we're having some performance issues for some users, however
[16:16] <Chipaca> Finnish: so it might take a while
[16:17] <Chipaca> psypher246: for reference, I just uploaded a 3MB file maxing out my (puny, 256kbps) upload for about a minute
[16:21] <Finnish> So when I go to web and login to ubuntu one, i can upload multiple files from there, at the same time?
[16:22] <Finnish> It only says Upload a file, not files
[16:23] <verterok> Finnish: ATM, you can upload only one file at a time from the webui
[16:26] <Finnish> Ok, when and how is other ways possible?
[16:26] <verterok> Finnish: using the desktop client you can upload multiple files
[16:27] <Finnish> But where is that?
[16:28] <verterok> Finnish: if you'r using karmic, it's available in Synaptic/Software center
[16:28] <Finnish> Oh yes
[16:28] <Finnish> Hmm, I have it?
[16:29] <Finnish> Yes I have
[16:30] <Finnish> But when I try to launch it, it asks me about startup and when to show it, when I click ok it appears nowhere
[16:30] <verterok> Finnish: Application -> Internet -> Ubuntu One ?
[16:34] <Finnish> Yes it's there, but it doesn't appear anywhere, it doesn't launch=
[16:34] <Finnish> ?
[16:35] <Chipaca> Finnish: In a terminal, do “killall ubuntuone-syncdaemon; /usr/lib/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-syncdaemon --debug” (without the quotes)
[16:35] <Chipaca> Finnish: and tell us what it says :)
[16:37] <Finnish> http://pastebin.com/m26188be0
[16:38] <Chipaca> Finnish: cool, leave that running for now
[16:38] <Finnish> Ok
[16:38] <Chipaca> Finnish: what happens if you start "ubuntuone-client-applet" manually in another terminal?
[16:38] <Finnish> Ubuntu One client applet already running, quitting
[16:40] <Chipaca> Ok, so it's just being difficult then
[16:40] <Chipaca> Finnish: you have nothing in your "systray" that looks like a cloud?
[16:41] <Finnish> Not at the moment, but in the upper bar I have the cloud
[16:45] <Chipaca> Finnish: ah! there you go
[16:45] <Chipaca> Finnish: click that, say "connect"
[16:46] <Finnish> Got it!
[16:46] <Chipaca> Finnish: now you drag things into ubuntu one, and they show up in the cloud
[16:47] <Chipaca> Finnish: (some people are having performance issues, but it works fro me :) )
[17:15] <Finnish> OK!!!
[17:16] <Chipaca> Finnish: ...?
[17:16] <Finnish> Yeah, it works now!
[17:17] <Chipaca> ah, ok
[17:17] <Chipaca> good :)
[18:04] <webm0nk3y> #475738
[18:04] <webm0nk3y> bug #475738
[18:09] <sampattuzzi> are there plans or any ways currently of syncronising between local machines?
[18:13] <verterok> sampattuzzi: I think there is a bug about lan sync
[18:13]  * verterok try to find the bug
[18:18] <rtagger> Guys, is it OK that "Desktop Couch user authentication" token gets /usr/bin/python2.6 as an allowed Application?
[18:20] <rtagger> Basically this means that anything written in python can access my key to Desktop Couch... Looks like if I allowed bindwood to run (which runs couchdb_env.sh which in turn runs python interpreter)  then I allowed access to  get_oauth_tokens() to anything python...
[18:20] <rtagger> ping Chipaca , just in case
[18:21] <Chipaca> rtagger: pong
[18:21] <rtagger> Chipaca, are you able to read channel log prior to my ping or it is better to copy/paste it again?
[18:21] <Chipaca> rtagger: anything written in python and setting an appname of "desktop couch", i think it is, yes
[18:22] <rtagger> Chipaca, erm, scaaary
[18:22] <Chipaca> rtagger: anything python that called itself that and that has the right tokens
[18:23] <Chipaca> rtagger: the tokens are what grants permission; the rest is more informational (so you know what it is)
[18:23] <rtagger> Chipaca, since I did not set anything, just imported local_files from desktopcouch and here are all my tokens... Not that I currently know what to do with them, but I am on my way...
[18:23] <sampattuzzi> verterok, there is something on the wiki about it.
[18:24] <Chipaca> rtagger: that doesn't sound right, but there I defer to aquarius
[18:24] <Chipaca> rtagger: ... who isn't in right now (at a sprint). Maybe the mailing list?
[18:25] <rtagger> Chipaca, what's the best mailing list for this, I am subscribed to ubuntuone-users, but not much is going there
[18:26] <Chipaca> rtagger: I think that is the place, as it's more specific to ubuntuone than to couch itself (and there is no list for desktopcouch, afaik)
[18:28] <verterok> Chipaca, rtagger: I think there is a desktopcouch google group
[18:28] <verterok> Chipaca, rtagger: http://groups.google.com/group/desktop-couchdb
[18:34] <skx> what is this desktop couch? what can you use it for? is there a manual somewhere?
[18:36] <rtagger> skx, it is all about couchdb and interaction with it. CouchDB is described here - http://couchdb.apache.org.
[18:36] <skx> I am reading that, thank
[18:36] <skx> s
[18:55] <rtagger> I don't want to repeat the story, but... "Guys, this is really happening" - here's script, in python, that does not set application name, that was never authorized to access my desktopcouch login and password for basic auth... http://pastebin.com/f79b20cc6
[19:00] <verterok> rtagger: is there a bug for this?
[19:01] <rtagger> verterok, searching for one, does not look like it exists
[19:01] <verterok> rtagger: please file one :)
[19:01] <rtagger> verterok, and I am not sure what application requested access to basic auth for couchdb using python...
[19:04] <rtagger> verterok, I clearly remember that "Application (/usr/bin/python2.6)" wanted to access my keyring, a week ago or so... Still, this is perfectly valid issue for bindwood startup script, so the first bug report will be created there :)
[19:05] <verterok> rtagger: yesp bindwood uses desktopcouch :)
[19:05] <verterok> *yeap
[19:05] <CardinalFang> rtagger, "Application"?  What version of pkg "desktopcouch" do you have installed?
[19:06] <rtagger> CardinalFang,   Installed: 0.5-0ubuntu1, I'm going to reinstall karmic from scratch and check with the latest software, with evolution, bindwood, tomboy syncing to find out what "Application" got granted with couchdb access
[19:14] <rtagger> CardinalFang, I'm looking at bug#444022 and the comment from Zachery Bir stating that bindwood moved from getting secrets from gnome keyring to INI files reading, but it seems not to be released so far...
[19:14] <rtagger> ubottu, #444022
[19:14] <rtagger> ubottu, bug #444022
[19:14] <rtagger> ubottu, thanks
[19:15] <CardinalFang> Bah.  Bots shouldn't use emoticons.
[19:16] <CardinalFang> rtagger, It could be that, bindwood. accessing the keyring.  I don't know much about it.  If so, I'm surprised it is Python, though.
[19:17] <CardinalFang> rtagger, desktopcouch would have a more descriptive name there, though, not "Application".
[19:17] <rtagger> CardinalFang, the startup script for bindwood queries gnome keyring using python one-liner
[19:17] <CardinalFang> Ah, bingo.
[19:18] <CardinalFang> It's be another two statements to put a valid name there.  It's moot, since it doesn't use the keyring any more.
[19:18] <CardinalFang> Okay, I was interested in what gave that bogus name.  Thanks.
[19:20] <rtagger> CardinalFang, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone-control-tower/bindwood/trunk/annotate/head%3A/couchdb_env.sh
[19:22] <rtagger> CardinalFang, wait, need to check what desktopcouch is doing there, again...
[19:33] <oded> the ubuntu one dont connect
[19:33] <oded> i need help please
[19:34] <verterok> oded: could you pastebin the contents of...
[19:34] <verterok> oded: later!
[20:54] <ranjan> can any body can tell me how to delet file from ubuntu one
[20:55] <ranjan> i tried to follow the wiki but i am not able to delet file ... pleaase help
[21:04] <verterok> ranjan: using the webui?
[21:06] <ranjan> from where i'll be going to get that ..
[21:12] <verterok> ranjan: what wiki page are you looking at?
[21:13] <ranjan> verterok :: i am looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Tutorials/InstallSoftware
[21:13] <ranjan> am i looking at wrong one
[21:15] <verterok> ranjan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Tutorials/FileSharing
[21:21] <ranjan> verterok :: i tried but i am not able to make delete to any of my files that i ahve updoded to ubuntu one
[21:22] <verterok> ranjan: ok. did you used the desktop client or the web page to upload the files?
[21:22] <ranjan> i used web page
[21:23] <verterok> ranjan: and you'r trying to delete using the webpage too?
[21:23] <ranjan> ya
[21:24] <verterok> ranjan: looks like there are some images missing the tutorial..
[21:24] <verterok> ranjan: if you click on the file, a "trash can" icon should appear in the lower right corner
[21:24] <verterok> *lower right corner of the row
[21:26] <ranjan> no difference let me restart the brouser  and chake it once more
[21:30] <ranjan> no difference problem prevales
[21:30] <ranjan> after restarting brouser too
[21:31] <verterok> ranjan: http://imagebin.ca/view/02evnkKq.html
[21:31] <skx> how to trigger synchronization manually?
[21:31] <skx> or make it synchronize more often?
[21:31] <verterok> skx: the syncdaemon upload new/changed files right away
[21:32] <skx> I created a file in a shared folder, it has a tick but can't see it in the web interface
[21:32] <skx> also, the person I share it with can't see it
[21:32] <verterok> skx: do you have write permission on the share ?
[21:32] <ranjan> there are no such icon on my ubuntu i am using ubuntu 9.04
[21:33] <skx> shouldn't I? I set them manually
[21:33] <skx> so I can't write to the same folder as someone else? ;\
[21:33] <verterok> skx: oh, sorry. you shared a folder to someone, and dropped a file in it?
[21:33] <skx> no, someone shared a folder with me
[21:33] <skx> and I dropped a file there
[21:33] <verterok> ranjan: what browser are you using?
[21:34] <ranjan> firefox
[21:34] <skx> yes, I didn't have permissions but I changed it, though it was a rough edge ;\
[21:34] <verterok> skx: if the share is with read-only permissions you can't create new files :)
[21:35] <verterok> skx: you need a share with read and write permissions to do that, changing the filesystem perms isn't enough ;)
[21:35] <verterok> ranjan: that's weird, could you try to refresh the page, using: CTRL + F5
[21:36] <skx> verterok, yeah, how do I check permissions and share status in Ubuntu one?
[21:37] <ranjan> no change in situation
[21:37] <verterok> skx: you can check that from the webui, or using a CLI tool
[21:37] <skx> in webui where? for shares that are shared with me I meant, not for the shares I share
[21:37] <verterok> ranjan: hmm, weird..this is the full screenshot of my files and the trash can icon appears there: http://imagebin.ca/view/Y-mMfGh.html, you should be able to see that :(
[21:38] <verterok> skx: sorry, the webui changed recently :/
[21:38] <verterok> skx: in a terminal session, execute: u1sdtool --list-shares
[21:39] <skx> it lists only one share, so I assume the one shared with me and the rights are "view"
[21:39] <skx> ok, thanks
[21:39] <verterok> skx: if you use: --list-shared it will show your shred folders
[21:39] <verterok> *shared
[21:40] <skx> very nice, I'll man it next time ;)
[21:40] <skx> thanks again
[21:40] <verterok> np :)
[21:40] <ranjan> mine is lokking as http://imagebin.ca/view/BHtiB2cK.html
[21:43] <verterok> ranjan: do you have firebug or other extension like that?
[21:44] <ranjan> no idea
[21:44] <verterok> ranjan: ok, that's a no :)
[21:44] <verterok> ranjan: this is weird, please could you file a bug and attach the screenshot?
[21:44] <ranjan> ok
[21:44] <verterok> ranjan: thanks!
[21:45] <ranjan> thankyou verterok
[21:46] <verterok> ranjan: file it under ubuntuone-servers project: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers/+filebug
[23:45] <evanescent> how come every time I reboot ubuntuone has me add a "new computer" to the list of machines even though it's the same computer