| undurundur | Test | 09:58 |
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| === highvolt1ge is now known as highvoltage | ||
| === highvolt1ge is now known as highvoltage | ||
| Ahmuck-Jr | someone mentioned a way to prevent classmates from crossing into other user's home directories | 11:42 |
| alkisg | Ahmuck-Jr: sudo dpkg-reconfigure adduser | 11:45 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | alkisg: thank you | 11:51 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | that was soooo easy | 11:51 |
| nubae | oh man... linked.in could be really cool, if there was data in every place | 14:05 |
| nubae | but as it stands other than having loads of mmembers is a bit of a ghost town | 14:06 |
| nubae | some are allirght I guess, but lets take gnu/linuxjobs | 14:07 |
| nubae | u'd expect that to be a big group right | 14:07 |
| nubae | a d I'm sure it has lots of members | 14:07 |
| nubae | hag, ok I picked the wrong one | 14:09 |
| nubae | my point is there are a ton of groups on there with no data and no info,they just mke globally visible when there are a certain nuber of members or somethin.... | 14:10 |
| nubae | bah... forget it... talking out my ass.... | 14:10 |
| mhall119|work | nubae: we have an Ubuntu Florida Team group in LinkedIn, where we post local jobs | 14:46 |
| nubae__ | and it works? | 14:57 |
| mhall119|work | seems to | 15:01 |
| mhall119|work | we don't get that many | 15:01 |
| mhall119|work | we're still trying to promote participation | 15:01 |
| === nubae is now known as Nubae | ||
| highvoltage | good afternoon! | 15:46 |
| sbalneav | highvoltage: Not in canada yet, eh? | 15:59 |
| sbalneav | Got your touque yet? | 15:59 |
| highvoltage | sbalneav: it will probably be another 5 weeks or so at minimum, I have to wait another 2 weeks for police clearance, and then it will probably be another 3 weeks until my visa is processed | 16:00 |
| highvoltage | sbalneav: what's a touque? :) | 16:00 |
| highvoltage | 18:00 < Spinach> highvoltage: toque n 1: a tall white hat with a pouched crown; worn by chefs 2: a small round woman's hat [syn: {pillbox}, {toque}, {turban}] | 16:00 |
| highvoltage | sbalneav: as in that? | 16:00 |
| highvoltage | must be a Canadian thing :) | 16:01 |
| sbalneav | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuque | 16:03 |
| sbalneav | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_and_Doug_McKenzie | 16:04 |
| sbalneav | highvoltage: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_Canada | 16:05 |
| sbalneav | I'll be testing you. | 16:05 |
| highvoltage | sbalneav: aaaah! over hear they're called beanies :) | 16:05 |
| highvoltage | sbalneav: but I'll bring mine along and get some more that side :D | 16:05 |
| highvoltage | sbalneav: yeah I'll be needing some good primers on Canadian culture :) | 16:05 |
| highvoltage | I know a lot of Blink 182 songs if that counts | 16:06 |
| sbalneav | I'll want a 500 word essay on the "group of seven" by tomorrow. | 16:06 |
| sbalneav | And don't forget your term paper on Louis Riel. | 16:07 |
| sbalneav | Class dismissed | 16:07 |
| highvoltage | sbalneav: eek! I didn't know there was going to be homework involved! | 16:07 |
| highvoltage | sbalneav: hmm, I think they make fun of Bob and Doug on Southpark | 16:07 |
| highvoltage | I've also watched every episode of How I Met Your Mother where the one person is Canadian and they make fun of her, so I know how to say things like "How's it goin', eh?" | 16:08 |
| highvoltage | and that you pronounce "about" as "aboot" | 16:08 |
| sbalneav | ooot and abooot | 16:09 |
| sbalneav | You'll do fine. | 16:10 |
| sbalneav | Wear a touque, drink good beer, and always tack "eh" on the end of a question. | 16:10 |
| sbalneav | "How's it goin' eh? | 16:10 |
| highvoltage | rofl | 16:11 |
| Nubae | meeting? | 17:18 |
| sbalneav | I think so | 17:19 |
| alkisg | When? Now? | 17:20 |
| sbalneav | Umm, in 40 minutes, if my time calculations are correct. | 17:21 |
| Nubae | here or sugar-meeting | 17:28 |
| Nubae | doh ubuntu-meeting | 17:31 |
| sbalneav | ubuntu meeting | 17:31 |
| jbicha | grr..I'm gonna fall asleep before this meeting gets going, I should have taken a nap today | 18:51 |
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| LaserJock | highvoltage: here? | 19:43 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: #ubuntu-meeting | 19:44 |
| stgraber | dinda: will you be at UDS ? | 20:09 |
| LaserJock | I can't imagine the benefits of using OBS would outweigh the significant hurdles | 20:09 |
| dinda | stgraber: only for Wed & Thursday | 20:09 |
| stgraber | dinda: doh, you'll miss the edubuntu session on friday then :( | 20:10 |
| dinda | stgraber: I just subscribed to the specs - any chance we can move those sessions up? | 20:11 |
| stgraber | dinda: probably, you can try nagging Jorge, I think he's the one who initially scheduled them on Friday | 20:11 |
| dinda | stgraber: ok, I'll mark myself as being 'essential' so that my help move them up | 20:12 |
| jbicha | Nubae: reconstructor.org could eventually be a suse studio alternative for Ubuntu users (try before you download is not implemented yet, it can be expensive if your download gets interrupted, and some bugs still) | 20:12 |
| dinda | stgraber: if not I can participate remotely | 20:12 |
| stgraber | dinda: I think the UDS scheduler is supposed to have some magic so marking you as essential moves the session to a day where you're there | 20:14 |
| stgraber | dinda: assuming you entered the correct dates on LP | 20:14 |
| dinda | stgraber: yip, just those two days, not the full week | 20:15 |
| dinda | flying in early Wed morning so prolly won't get to hotel until about 9:30 am | 20:15 |
| mhall119|work | highvoltage: what's the meeting's topic? | 20:22 |
| highvoltage | mhall119|work: it has multiple, the agenda is up on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Meetings/Agenda | 20:23 |
| mhall119|work | thanks | 20:23 |
| highvoltage | mhall119|work: we're having an impromptu EC meeting now for Nubae's membership | 20:23 |
| highvoltage | mhall119|work: I think you may have missed the part where we said that | 20:23 |
| mhall119|work | probably, I just got back from lunch and saw you guys talking about linux-for-education and ubuntu-learning | 20:24 |
| Ahmuck | is there a way to close user directories off from other users? | 20:24 |
| sbalneav | Nubae: You can help me here when we're done in -mmeting | 20:26 |
| mhall119|work | Ahmuck: change their permissions | 20:29 |
| Nubae | ok tell me | 20:30 |
| Nubae | mhall119|work, there must be an auto way | 20:30 |
| sbalneav | ok | 20:31 |
| Nubae | if I'm lucky I will be in SA heling Hilton out in January... | 20:32 |
| sbalneav | so, I have my own sabayon git repo... | 20:32 |
| Nubae | yeah at github? | 20:33 |
| sbalneav | http://github.com/sbalneav/sabayon | 20:33 |
| sbalneav | right. | 20:33 |
| sbalneav | I'm out of sync with upstream | 20:33 |
| sbalneav | git.gnome.org/sabayon | 20:33 |
| sbalneav | how do I resync? | 20:33 |
| Nubae | so pull first | 20:33 |
| Nubae | then push | 20:33 |
| jbicha | Ahmuck: try the instructions on https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/serverguide/C/user-management.html | 20:33 |
| sbalneav | so git pull git://gin.gnome.org/sabayon? | 20:34 |
| Nubae | if thats how u have it set up, mine is git.sugar.org/projects/myproject | 20:35 |
| Nubae | going into .git and checking your config sometimes helps too | 20:36 |
| Nubae | actuallly just git pull should be enough | 20:36 |
| Nubae | it should know the rest | 20:36 |
| sbalneav | Nubae: I've pm'd you | 20:36 |
| sbalneav | with the error | 20:37 |
| sbalneav | ok | 20:37 |
| LaserJock | sbalneav: I have a great little git script to do what you want I think | 20:39 |
| sbalneav | pastie pastie thankee thankee | 20:40 |
| Nubae | did LaserJock script work? | 20:44 |
| sbalneav | hold on, got 95+ things happening simultaneously :) | 20:46 |
| Nubae | darn what was that distro called | 20:52 |
| Nubae | it had all these kiddie big icons on the desktop wallpaper | 20:52 |
| mhall119|work | there was a Debian Jr project | 20:52 |
| Nubae | but basiclaly almost no content | 20:53 |
| highvoltage | Debian Jr is still going afaik | 20:53 |
| mhall119|work | highvoltage: as individual packages, I don't think they're making a CD anymore | 20:53 |
| stgraber | dinda: so, what's up ? | 20:53 |
| mhall119|work | there was another one I found that had been abandoned as well | 20:54 |
| dinda | I had a meeting a few weeks at Canonical about Edubuntu and the future of Ubuntu in Education. . . | 20:54 |
| highvoltage | mhall119|work: did they ever? | 20:54 |
| mhall119|work | highvoltage: I think they did a few years ago | 20:54 |
| dinda | I asked that they make some clearer statements about the direction of the projects | 20:54 |
| highvoltage | mhall119|work: afaik the actual builds are done by skolelinux/debian-edu | 20:55 |
| dinda | so some good and some good not so good news | 20:55 |
| dinda | good news - there is a renewed effort starting in all things Education-related | 20:55 |
| highvoltage | dinda: I really appreciate your educational advocacy from withing canonical :) | 20:55 |
| dinda | but not for several more months at the earliest | 20:55 |
| dinda | not so good news - they really see no need to toss any funding towards packaging or other distro-level things - at this point | 20:56 |
| highvoltage | dinda: we're ok with that | 20:56 |
| dinda | just no resources at the moment | 20:56 |
| dinda | in regards to laserjock's inquiry about official support. .. | 20:57 |
| highvoltage | dinda: I think we've made peace with canonical not providing any more resources than the hosting, building, etc | 20:57 |
| dinda | we weren't sure if the hesitation on the part of our Support team was b/c of the ltsp component or b/c of the additional packages | 20:57 |
| mhall119|work | ship-it dvds would be nice | 20:57 |
| dinda | so we're investigating that | 20:57 |
| highvoltage | dinda: the challenge is to show that Edubuntu can survive as a purely community project, I think it has the potential to do so | 20:57 |
| dinda | now that ltsp is in the server stack, it can be supported but only for server | 20:58 |
| highvoltage | dinda: ah, thanks for getting the clarification on that | 20:58 |
| highvoltage | (LaserJock I'm not sure if you're reading this) | 20:58 |
| Nubae | arghhh what was it called again | 20:58 |
| mhall119|work | my wife found a nice Python programming game called RURples, that I plan on packaging up | 20:58 |
| mhall119|work | someone in the Florida LoCo is helping me with the packaging details | 20:59 |
| dinda | highvoltage: yes, as a community project, i think you folks have picked up things nicely | 20:59 |
| dinda | I definitely think there will be renewed efforts from Canonical in the Education area soon. . . | 20:59 |
| dinda | but at the moment they (we) :) we trying to find a workable business model around all of it | 21:00 |
| highvoltage | dinda: as long as they don't appoint people as our leaders and strip the community from making decisions again I don't think any of use would complain | 21:00 |
| stgraber | dinda: I guess the biggest issue we had for a while was actually Canonical being involved in Edubuntu (with far from good results), so being able to manage our project the way we want it again, is good :) | 21:00 |
| stgraber | I'm of course not against having Canonical giving an hand, far from that, I just hope it'll be done the right way next time. | 21:00 |
| highvoltage | ++ | 21:01 |
| dinda | we're seeing seeing lots of large efforts where education deployments are asking for custom application stacks | 21:01 |
| dinda | so looking at the application stack and if it makes sense to offer official support on selected apps is something long-term where some overlap could occur | 21:02 |
| dinda | but for the most part it seems to make sense to leave edubuntu as a full community project and then for Canonical to focus on the Ubuntu in Education plans | 21:03 |
| LaserJock | dinda: frankly it's kinda weird that LTSP would be only supported in the Server stack | 21:03 |
| LaserJock | it is a *desktop* server | 21:03 |
| LaserJock | so it's a server technology that utilized Desktop | 21:03 |
| LaserJock | but that's details I guess ;-) | 21:03 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: I guess they'd only support the LTSP parts, dhcpd, tftpd-hpa, etc | 21:04 |
| LaserJock | right, that's fine | 21:04 |
| LaserJock | but we *never* get a list of what's supported and what's not | 21:04 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: and then the end-user would probably be expected to have the desktop portion on another machine | 21:04 |
| LaserJock | I don't care what bits are, we just need some knowledge we can pass on to users | 21:04 |
| dinda | LaserJock: yeah, not sure fully how much support we can offer on ltsp atm | 21:04 |
| LaserJock | frankly I'd rather Canonical *not* declare support for Edubuntu | 21:05 |
| LaserJock | as they've totally sucked at doing it thus far | 21:05 |
| highvoltage | to be frank I don't think most of our users care all that much how long Canonical supports a subset of the packages | 21:05 |
| LaserJock | I'd rather them not claim it if they aren't going to put resources into it | 21:05 |
| dinda | LaserJock: understood | 21:05 |
| highvoltage | from my interaction they want bugfixes and features and they want it fast | 21:05 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: right, if they do, then they'll get a support contract with Canonical for the subset of packages they use | 21:06 |
| dinda | LaserJock: but we're seeing deployments now that are asking for support and it's mostly for a customized Ubuntu, not Edubuntu | 21:06 |
| LaserJock | dinda: that's fine, but Edubuntu is 99% Ubuntu | 21:06 |
| highvoltage | dinda: what's the difference? | 21:06 |
| LaserJock | dinda: so why can't our 99% be supported and leave the 1% non-supported | 21:06 |
| dinda | LaserJock: that's what we're looking into - it was our support team that told us they can't support at the moment | 21:07 |
| LaserJock | sure | 21:07 |
| Nubae | the thing is, there will come a time when sales of netbooks reach a point where canonical will jump in and care | 21:07 |
| dinda | i think it's that they don't have time to be experts on those apps atm | 21:07 |
| LaserJock | the thing that troubles me is the total lack of communication | 21:07 |
| Nubae | hence their arm based distro | 21:07 |
| LaserJock | thankfully dinda has been around | 21:07 |
| LaserJock | or we'd know absolutely nothing | 21:07 |
| dinda | LaserJock: trust me, that has bothered me too :) | 21:07 |
| Nubae | LaserJock, +5 | 21:07 |
| dinda | even my role is unofficial atm | 21:08 |
| LaserJock | even after mdz and Mark told us they'd have quick responses | 21:08 |
| highvoltage | yeah dinda has been great communicating educational things on the lists as well | 21:08 |
| Nubae | well, I had someone contact me a couple of times about doing the moodle stuff... | 21:08 |
| LaserJock | if Canonical wants to find a business model around Edu why don't they talk to people who are trying to do that right here? | 21:08 |
| Nubae | after couple of emails | 21:08 |
| dinda | but just know that everyone's ears have suddenly pricked up about education | 21:08 |
| Nubae | died off | 21:08 |
| Nubae | and that seems to happen with everything | 21:09 |
| Nubae | so.... | 21:09 |
| dinda | it just mostly been a lack of resources | 21:09 |
| LaserJock | I think Edubuntu people are fairly eager to help out Canonical | 21:09 |
| stgraber | dinda: that was also the feeling I had last time I was at Montreal's office speaking with Steve George ;) | 21:09 |
| LaserJock | heck, I gave 2 years and almost a PhD to Canonical ;-) | 21:09 |
| stgraber | dinda: first time I see him and he starts speaking of Edubuntu :) | 21:09 |
| LaserJock | but what we'd like is the opportunity to work with Canonical and be partners rather than cheap labor | 21:09 |
| dinda | stgraber: well i started pointed out just how many education-related deployments and training customers we're getting, folks started to notice :) | 21:10 |
| Nubae | well, we should have at least one community spokesperson | 21:10 |
| Nubae | Canonical backede | 21:10 |
| LaserJock | dinda: anyway, thanks so much for what you're doing, it really is invaluable | 21:10 |
| LaserJock | I don't want to discourage you from pushing on or anything | 21:11 |
| dinda | there's also an issue of not quite knowing where in the company to put Education | 21:11 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: I think you place too much value on getting recognition from Canonical. for me I just want that from our users. | 21:11 |
| LaserJock | right | 21:11 |
| Nubae | oh, I guess I missed somthing here | 21:11 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: well, I see it as a mutually beneficial relationship | 21:11 |
| LaserJock | I want to get Edubuntu into places where only Canonical can go | 21:11 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: oh absolutely | 21:12 |
| dinda | it was/is currently in OEM services so we've mostly been looking at working with hardware/device manufacturers | 21:12 |
| LaserJock | Edubuntu needs resources it doesn't really have | 21:12 |
| LaserJock | but we gotta have communication | 21:12 |
| LaserJock | dinda: yeah, we *totally* should have an Edubuntu Netbook Remix | 21:12 |
| LaserJock | dinda: people have been clamoring to get netbooks for 1:1 education | 21:12 |
| LaserJock | but there does seem to be an issue with finding a place for Education to live | 21:13 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: there's only so much we can do as a community though, I'm not going to spend time volunteering and going out of my way to make Canonical lots of money when all they'll do is say something like "Oh we're so great look at what we've done and oh yes, btw, we have this little community kind of helping us out a little too" | 21:13 |
| Nubae | wow.. I found the piece of crap: http://www.jux-net.info/juxlala/ | 21:13 |
| sbalneav | LaserJock: don't use xchat. Use irssi. It's text based, which means you can do like I do, and run it under screen. Leave it running on your home box, then you can ssh into your box, re-attach to the screen session. | 21:14 |
| sbalneav | it kicks so much butt | 21:14 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: sure, I'm just saying it's much better for us to be partners rather than isolated communities doing the same thing | 21:14 |
| dinda | yeah, b/c if you look at the full lifecycle of an educational deployment it needs to be all the way from the device being built to the end user training and usage | 21:14 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: I think you're preaching to the converted | 21:14 |
| LaserJock | dinda: yeah, I'm not sure why there can't be just some sort of Education advocate or something | 21:14 |
| Nubae | thats why I really wanna toy with telepathy | 21:14 |
| LaserJock | dinda: somebody who runs the spectrum of Canonical teams just making sure that community-developed stuff is being utilized and being a liaison | 21:15 |
| dinda | LaserJock: so you're almost saying it should be someone on Jono's team? | 21:15 |
| LaserJock | dinda: it seems like that one person could drive up sales in the education market fairly easily | 21:15 |
| Nubae | canonical has no realisation the comercial value of telepathy | 21:15 |
| LaserJock | dinda: pretty much yeah | 21:15 |
| Nubae | it is a goldmine | 21:15 |
| dinda | I'm looking at some hybrid options b/c there is definitely a market for getting ubuntu into more schools. . . | 21:16 |
| Nubae | wow... imagine a reliable, multicasting, encryptable, application sharable, video audio and chat and all at the same time controlled by super scalable servers | 21:17 |
| dinda | but resources are tight | 21:17 |
| highvoltage | Nubae: yes we get it, telepathy is cool | 21:17 |
| LaserJock | dinda: well, "resources are tight" only goes so far | 21:18 |
| LaserJock | there are millions of school kids out there | 21:18 |
| LaserJock | hundreds of thousands of schools | 21:18 |
| Nubae | heh, I told the guys in #telepathy I was gonna start getting some ass kicicking for mentinoing it too much :-_) | 21:18 |
| LaserJock | and Canonical can't spare 1 position? | 21:18 |
| dinda | yeah, I know and currently no one focusing on that | 21:18 |
| LaserJock | but can hire a whole new team of UI designers? | 21:18 |
| dinda | also, I don't really see any community of Education Users (teachers, students) who are using Ubuntu atm | 21:19 |
| LaserJock | that's irrelevant | 21:19 |
| dinda | I'd love to see that aspect come into its own | 21:19 |
| dinda | we know they are out there, but getting their stories has not been easy | 21:19 |
| LaserJock | I think a great many people on edubuntu-users are running Ubuntu + LTSP | 21:19 |
| LaserJock | you can install Ubuntu from the Edubuntu DVD | 21:20 |
| LaserJock | Ubuntu and Edubuntu shouldn't be competing | 21:20 |
| LaserJock | it's a matter of what flavor fits the situation | 21:20 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: I think canonical tried hiring a person for that and they burned their fingers a bit, so to speak | 21:20 |
| LaserJock | sure | 21:20 |
| stgraber | dinda: I can probably help you with that as my company (and now highvoltage's) does large scale deployment of LTSP and ubuntu with education (canada + US) being our main market | 21:20 |
| alkisg | dinda: here's the small Greek teachers community that uses Ubuntu: https://launchpad.net/~linux.sch.gr | 21:21 |
| alkisg | ...but we mostly gather in local forums | 21:21 |
| LaserJock | dinda: but the fact that a lot of people are using Ubuntu in schools and not Edubuntu is due to many reasons | 21:22 |
| LaserJock | some of which are soundly Canonical's problems | 21:22 |
| LaserJock | you can't pull the rug out from under a community and then argue that they aren't doing enough | 21:22 |
| dinda | right now education is just another sector in overall sales, so any sales leads go into the larger pile with no dedicated resources | 21:23 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: I think dinda gets that | 21:23 |
| sbalneav | Well, especially when the rug was too small to begin with i.e. "we'll give edubuntu 1 year to become the pre-eminent linux education platform, with only one person dedicated to it, starting from nothing" | 21:23 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: sure | 21:24 |
| LaserJock | dinda: I think it would be curious to ask Mark or other high-ups what exactly it would take for Canonical to take Edubuntu seriously | 21:24 |
| LaserJock | do we need to generate X number of "sales" or capture Y% of the Educational market, etc. | 21:25 |
| LaserJock | frankly I just don't know what Canonical considers a success here | 21:25 |
| dinda | I think part of the hesitation is just that canonical doesn't want to support another distro | 21:25 |
| sbalneav | The goal that was set for us, at the beginning, was that we were supposed to, within one year, to have more installs than K12LTSP (fedora based, been around for 7+years) and skolelinux/debian-edu (been around for 7+ years) combined. | 21:26 |
| LaserJock | dinda: well, do they have to? | 21:26 |
| sbalneav | it was a ludicrously high bar. | 21:27 |
| LaserJock | and Edubuntu did become a premier LTSP distro | 21:27 |
| dinda | sbalneav: indeed | 21:27 |
| dinda | I really can't speak to the whole ltsp aspect as I'm not familiar with it enough | 21:27 |
| LaserJock | I sorta just don't get the whole reluctance though | 21:28 |
| LaserJock | Mark told me he was very disappointed that HP went with openSUSE Edu | 21:29 |
| Nubae | ripping ltsp from edubuntu was a big marketing mistake | 21:29 |
| stgraber | Nubae: not sure, for me it clearly wasn't | 21:29 |
| LaserJock | and Fedora is also making a lot of headway with Sugar, etc. | 21:29 |
| Nubae | well... opensuse-edu kept kiwi-ltsp as a part of their offering | 21:29 |
| stgraber | Nubae: especially, now that it's in both | 21:29 |
| Nubae | sugar is supposed to be agnostic | 21:30 |
| dinda | LaserJock: yeah, i've been following what RH is doing with Sugar | 21:30 |
| Nubae | thought they do most of their marketing through fedora | 21:30 |
| LaserJock | but if Education is very important to Canonical/Mark/mdz at all, then why can't we even get an email? | 21:30 |
| Nubae | main issue now with ubuntu is we have 4 versions | 21:30 |
| Nubae | the original debian | 21:30 |
| Nubae | and 3 ppa | 21:30 |
| LaserJock | I've never asked for a full blow strategy or anything | 21:31 |
| dinda | LaserJock: truthfully, it just hasn't been important recently | 21:31 |
| LaserJock | and I really don't care if Canonical doesn't feel it can support another distro (I get that) | 21:31 |
| LaserJock | but I feel like there's just no consideration for this community at all | 21:31 |
| LaserJock | which is so strange to me considering how much Mark and mdz in particular have said in the past about the importance of Education | 21:32 |
| dinda | about a year ago, everything shifted focus toward server and cloud. . . | 21:32 |
| dinda | so it's not even been on the radar for Canonical at all | 21:32 |
| LaserJock | but those are quite important in the Educational sector too | 21:33 |
| Nubae | well, ud think sales of netbooks would say something | 21:33 |
| LaserJock | like I said before, whether it's Ubuntu Server, Ubuntu Desktop, Edubuntu, etc. I don't much care | 21:34 |
| Nubae | I mean I physically saw 250,000 of them with ubuntu on them go to the Spanish school system | 21:34 |
| LaserJock | but the total lack of "interest" in communication or partnership is frustrating | 21:34 |
| LaserJock | that Edubuntu wasn't supported should have come from *somebody* | 21:35 |
| LaserJock | I mean, it's in Main for goodness sakes, that used to mean something | 21:35 |
| highvoltage | now you sound like an old person :) | 21:36 |
| LaserJock | heh | 21:36 |
| alkisg | Getting a phd is bound to give a person some gray hair... :D | 21:36 |
| LaserJock | no gray | 21:37 |
| LaserJock | just not much hair left ;-) | 21:37 |
| Nubae | heh, I've seen | 21:37 |
| Nubae | :p | 21:37 |
| Nubae | oh another pretty major contributor we forgot was Lns | 21:38 |
| Nubae | god, cant get over how bad that juxlala is, had to sit through an hour lecture on it | 21:38 |
| alkisg | Nubae: logari81 is Greek, living in Spain for now. About this "(11:34:15 μμ) Nubae: I mean I physically saw 250,000 of them with ubuntu on them go to the Spanish school system" ==> where did those netbooks go? He says he didn't see any in his region... | 21:41 |
| dinda | alkisg: they were deployed in andalucia by our partner Isotorl | 21:43 |
| dinda | Isotrol - there is a case study up now on the Canonical website about it | 21:43 |
| logari81 | Nubae, dinda: actually I ve never heart of this movement, and I was somewhat disapointed | 21:43 |
| alkisg | Ah, thanks dinda | 21:43 |
| alkisg | In Greece, 120.000 netbooks were given to 1st grade students, dual boot with ubuntu/windows. | 21:46 |
| Nubae | what region | 21:47 |
| Nubae | this is only Andalucia | 21:47 |
| dinda | http://www.ubuntu.com/products/casestudies | 21:47 |
| Nubae | yeah it was a big thing | 21:47 |
| Nubae | thogugh as media usually gets it wrong | 21:48 |
| Nubae | it wasnt just isotrol | 21:48 |
| logari81 | I think Andalucia is much more Linux-friendly than Asturias, where I live :) | 21:48 |
| Nubae | never mind its complicated and pointless | 21:48 |
| Nubae | well, I can telll u I was physically working with 50 folks in one office using linux only and working for linux only | 21:49 |
| Nubae | but the problem is, they've been doing it since 2001 | 21:49 |
| Nubae | starting off with debian | 21:49 |
| Nubae | and then moving to buntu | 21:49 |
| Nubae | and now they want the path of least resistance to everything | 21:50 |
| Nubae | which means little innovation | 21:50 |
| Nubae | in one way it makes sense, in another, its alittle tooo beaurocractic | 21:50 |
| dinda | ok, so I'll try to gather support to get canonical reps at the edubuntu discussions at UDS | 21:50 |
| dinda | and long-term mybe next UDS we can get more sponsorships for the team | 21:51 |
| stgraber | dinda: that'd be great | 21:51 |
| dinda | I'm also lobbying for some more 'official' statement concerning where Canonical stands in regards to the Edubuntu project as I was told some better communication would be forthcoming | 21:52 |
| Nubae | I think the marketing of ltsp with edubuntu is very powerful | 21:54 |
| Nubae | there are many places the 2 do and will overlap | 21:55 |
| * Lns pops in | 22:48 | |
| Lns | Nubae: i wouldn't say i'm too much of a contributer anymore, but I do work with *buntu in schools! ha | 22:59 |
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