[00:01] _Narc_: and what are your usual times on IRC (i.e., here)? [00:05] <_Narc_> hggdh: I'm usually around all day, but more active from noon to 7 pm and back later at night like now. [00:06] _Narc_: timezones matter on IRC :-) [00:08] <_Narc_> mrand: yes :) They tend to matter in my daily life too because it's almost like I live in another country than mine. Intellectually I mean. [00:17] _Narc_: thank you. I will check tomorrow with a possible mentor, and will let you know [00:17] meanwhile, please keep on asking us questions [00:18] <_Narc_> hggdh: Ok, no problem. Thank you very much. I certainly will. [00:23] when a bug's problem is upstream, what is the procedure we follow? [00:23] just ask the user to file a bug upstream? [00:28] nigel_nb: we usually do it [00:28] hggdh: so the sensible thing for me to do is take the info the user has filed and file a bug upstream? [00:28] bug 248839 [00:28] Launchpad bug 248839 in nautilus "List of network servers is not updated" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/248839 [00:30] nigel_nb: yes [00:31] if you can confirm on current Karmic level, even better [00:31] oops I gave the wrong bug [00:31] its 368611 [00:31] bug 368611 [00:31] Launchpad bug 368611 in nautilus "by pushing a key/entering a string, nautilus does not focus the fitting folder/file" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/368611 [00:35] nigel_nb: can you reproduce it? [00:36] I cannot, so worksForMe (Karmic) [00:39] sorry [00:39] got disconnected [00:40] hggdh: i just realized that i cannot reproduce [00:40] i'm getting a jaunty vm set up [00:40] * tonyyarusso giggles [00:40] Oh, you mean the *bug*! [00:40] :P [00:43] tonyyarusso: hehe [01:17] tonyyarusso: there is, actually, a xkcd talking about it: http://xkcd.com/583/ [01:17] hggdh: well done. === yoasif____ is now known as yoasif_ === yofel_ is now known as yofel === yoasif_ is now known as yoasif [01:29] can someone mark bug 72843 as triaged for me? [01:29] Launchpad bug 72843 in nautilus "No notification about failed mount of usb drive" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72843 [01:30] hggdh: the xkcd rocks [01:31] nigel_nb: indeed -- and bug marked triaged. Good work there [01:31] :) [01:31] Looking for advice: Would it be acceptable to mark bug 296610 as "High" since there now appears to be a working patch for this horrible user experience on common Dell hardware? [01:31] Launchpad bug 296610 in linux "ALPS DualPoint Touchpad flaky performance" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/296610 [01:31] looking [01:38] erichammond: I agree it can be set as high, not because there is a workaround, but because it seems to affect a nice chunk of users [01:39] hggdh: Thanks. I've been trying to be objective even though it has been driving me crazy :-/ [01:40] erichammond: I understand... === asac_ is now known as asac [06:06] nigel_nb: are you still around [06:23] the Ubuntu karmic-updates has an expected date of april 24, 2011.. Is that the right date? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/karmic-updates [06:25] micahg: yes [06:25] nigel_nb: hi, how much longer will you be up [06:25] * micahg is making dinner [06:26] 1 hour more [06:26] cdinz: yes, that is the final day for anything in karmic-updates as it will be EOL then [06:26] nigel_nb: ok, did anyone show you how to use hugday tools yet? [06:27] * micahg will be back in a few minutes [06:27] no... i figured it out ;) [06:27] micahg: so say there is this bug #446146 and the fix has been committed... Wen does it get released to the general public? [06:27] Launchpad bug 446146 in linux "Several Huawei USB dongle don't work with kernel 2.6.31-12.40 (2.6.31.1 update related)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/446146 [06:32] hi maco [06:33] im observing just got home from my hack attack/defend class [06:34] hi [06:34] thats a freakin weird coincidence. i just got home from hanging out with 2 scary hackers [06:36] there is this bug 368611, I cant reproduce it on jaunty or karmic [06:36] Launchpad bug 368611 in nautilus "by pushing a key/entering a string, nautilus does not focus the fitting folder/file" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/368611 [06:36] is there anything I should do in that case? [06:37] cdinz: as soon as it's ready [06:37] cdinz: more correctly most likely after going through -proposed [06:38] nigel_nb: can you confirm? [06:39] micahg: I just set up jaunty on my vm [06:39] tried to reproduce the bug, but can't [06:39] its working as expected [06:39] nigel_nb: you can try to confirm in karmic anyways [06:40] michahg: thanks... [06:40] I tried both jaunty and karmic... no bug [06:40] ok [06:41] nigel_nb: well, is there a newer version of nautilus in jaunty since 2009-08-25? [06:41] micahg: I installed from the CD and did not update it [06:42] oh [06:42] micahg: so it should be the default version [06:42] nigel_nb: default versions can have bugs :) [06:42] or lack thereof [06:42] oh [06:42] maybe it was a regression idk [06:42] so what do I do here? [06:43] well, I'd check here to see if there was a different version from time reported to time updated to now: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus [06:44] nigel_nb: there was one update before the bug was reported [06:44] yes 2009-05-06 [06:44] that was the only change the whole release [06:45] ??, I only see 2009-04-20 [06:46] 2009-04-14 was main release... [06:49] micahg: anyway, so you want me to confirm the bug is not there in the new one too? [06:50] yes :), also, the reporter seems to have a modified version [06:51] is there a way to only install updates for one package? [06:51] sure, in aptitude [06:51] or synaptic [06:52] just navigate to the package and mark only it for updates [06:52] but it might go to the very latest version [06:52] nigel_nb: there was only one update in jaunty [06:53] okay..lemme boot my vm [06:53] nigel_nb: actually, if it doesn't exist in karmic... [06:54] micahg: it can be invalid? [06:54] maybe you don't have to try [06:54] it's definitely not something SRUable [06:55] you can ask the user if they've upgraded to karmic [06:58] nigel_nb: have you seen this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Old%20untouched%20bugs [06:58] ah, will do that [07:00] micahg: updated, still can't reproduce :) [07:00] yeah, that response I gave you is probably best, you can also note the tests you tried [07:01] okay [07:07] * nigel_nb is going to have lunch, brb [07:44] micahg: I'm calling it a day [07:45] catch you 2morrow [08:18] are the apport restart rules the same as karmic? [08:19] eakron: ping [08:31] <^_Pepe_^> . [09:30] micahg: pong! === pedro__ is now known as pedro_ === widox_ is now known as widox [13:11] hi, I've found a bug in the bash completion script for ssh/scp. Can someone please help me find which package should I report the bug under? I also have written a fix... [13:13] I'm going with "bash-completion" [13:14] Is anybody working on #432252? It has around 20 dupes, but the original is marked as private, so I can't tell if any work has been done on it === kklimond- is now known as kklimonda [15:16] bug 432252 [15:16] hggdh: Bug 432252 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/432252 is private [15:18] it is now public [15:31] Boo [15:38] hggdh: would daniel be available now? [15:41] nigel_nb: which Daniel? [15:42] daniel chen [15:43] nigel_nb: his nick is the letters d t c h e n all together. He is logged in with the nick ending in a _ [15:44] hggdh: I know, but I dont want to bug him if he's not available [15:46] dtchen_: this is about bug 477154 [15:46] Launchpad bug 477154 in alsa-driver "When headphones are plugged in, the speaker does not get muted automatically." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/477154 [15:46] nigel_nb: only waty to find is by pinging him. Please state whatr it is about on the ping [15:46] we tried going to runlevel S/1, but it still doest work [15:47] hggdh: I just realized tht now, pinged him [15:52] I will be out for some hours -- today is Dallas Museum of Arts day :-) [15:52] hggdh: have fun [16:05] happy bug day everyone! [16:42] hi there [16:42] who can i search for a bug that i _think_ i just found? [16:42] how [16:57] well i signed up for a mentor in the bug squad... 8-) [17:16] should the how to enable apport page show before karmic and karmic enabling steps? [17:23] micahg: you want to ask if it should provide explanations for all supported Ubuntu releases? I don't know if there's an official policy for that, but doing it does make sense to me. === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn === JonyBlaze is now known as EzraR === yoasif_ is now known as yoasif [17:56] is there some way to remove replies made by someone in a bug report? [17:57] I have a report where some random person decided to also do a apport-collect and I have no clue who they are [17:57] just clutter [18:02] WeatherGod: It is not possible for us, although I thought that LP administrators can remove comments, so they can get rid of spam. [18:02] how do i get a list of triaged bugs? [18:04] fcuk112: you can use the advanced search, which can be found at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?advanced=1 [18:05] cool thanks. [18:05] yw [18:05] qense, ok... I guess it isn't that important [18:06] ok, well, we could use some better tools to manage the discussion anyway, removing comments, or at least hiding them, would be nice sometimes [18:06] WeatherGod: unfortunately that's common [18:06] people seem to think apport-collect is magical [18:07] and will fix their problem === micahg1 is now known as micahg [18:07] it wouldn't be so bad if all the attachments were consolidated into one reply [18:07] micahg, haha [18:07] kinda like "me, too!" replies, right? [18:07] apport-collects are more useful than metoos [18:08] yep [18:08] only when used by the right persons, though [18:08] otherwise they cause a lot of mess [18:09] curious, does LP have some sort of mechanism to detect and block abuse of the apport tools? [18:09] I'm not sure if they do, could imagine it, though. They already mark duplicates automatically, so they could be checking the reports for other things as well. [18:10] but, yet, I don't see LP marking those web-submitted dupes when someone accidentially resubmits their bug [18:11] unless I am just seeing it before LP gets around to it [18:17] Apport only checks for it when retracing, or maybe even later. [18:19] ah [18:31] I'm trying to triage my first bug. Do I somehow associate my name with the bug to let others know I am working on it? [18:34] jberry: no, you just start with a reply thanking the reporter for posting the bug and than start the triaging with asking the questions you want to ask and explaining the actions you're taking [18:35] Assigning is only used when someone is working on actually fixing the bug, or by some other teams that have a different workflow (i.e. different way of handling bugs and using the statusses, etc) [18:36] So it's kind of implied that if I thank the reporter, I am therefore in the middle of triaging this bug. Right? [18:37] yes, other people will see you've started a conversation and now you're the one caring about it [18:38] they may still set a status or post a reply if they think it's necessary, but that's nothing to worry about. You don't own the bug, you're just the person who took the responsibility of triaging it. [18:39] thanks... much appreciated. [18:39] you're welcome === maco_ is now known as maco [18:57] * bcurtiswx_ waves to room [18:57] i am triaging a bug request from some 14y old kid who wants opera to appear in the software centre. not sure what i should tell him? [18:58] Italian or French opera? [18:58] lol [18:58] sorry, couldn't resist [18:59] fcuk112: I would kindly explain him the process of adding software to Ubuntu, the way software shows up in Ubuntu Software Centre and the process of requesting a package to be added to the archives. [18:59] I guess you could tell him that Opera has to choose to make it available [18:59] might be the easier option [18:59] qense: USS has all packages from all repositories.. right? [18:59] Although iirc there are some licence problems with it, that's why they aren't included in the repositories. [19:00] bcurtiswx_: If I'm correctly it uses the same *-install-data packages gnome-app-install uses. [19:01] qense: erm, 1. i am not quite sure how s/w appears in the software centre and 2. he raised a bug request to package opera; isn't that the way stuff gets added to the archives? [19:01] ok, thought so [19:03] fcuk112: maybe marking the bug Invalid right away isn't the right option, just asking him to follow the process guidelines would be better. It's explained at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages [19:03] * bcurtiswx_ waves at micahg [19:03] * micahg waves back [19:04] qense: alrighty, thanks. [19:05] fcuk112: although there is something to say for marking it as invalid since Opera can't be included because of licence issues anyway [19:05] if I'm correct, at least [19:06] I just read somewhere that an unedited version of Opera can be packaged legally [19:06] i.e. no patches and other source code changes [19:07] Opera is a browser right? [19:07] bcurtiswx_: yup. [19:08] but not a real one, :-P [19:08] what OS? [19:08] any [19:08] i don't want to break his heart, he looks so sweet - http://my.opera.com/DanielHendrycks/about/ [19:08] was it built for one in specific originally tho? [19:08] It uses QT [19:08] I'm not sure if it was built for one OS only. [19:09] Probably not considering the UI toolkit. [19:09] it was originally a paid-for browser back in the days of netscape [19:09] ah ok.. [19:09] It's still not a very open one. [19:09] But you can get its source code. [19:10] qense, really? [19:10] I think so. [19:11] The information about packaging I gave you earlier was from an ArchLinux forum about its removal from their repositories. That means they got the sourceode from some where. [19:14] wikipedia lists it as closed source [19:14] it has a lot of restrictions on its source code [19:15] might as well call it closed then [19:15] yeah, that IMO deems it invalid.. go ahead [19:15] beat it down with a few sticks too since its not open souce [19:15] source even [19:15] I'm not really into the details, you'd have to find that out on your own. [19:16] hows the bug day going for everyone? [19:17] It's my most productive bugday so far. ;) [19:17] sorry, the RMS in me just came out [19:18] pedro V is kicking our butts tho... not saying thats a bad thing [19:18] oh, it is bug day? :-P [19:20] yes! [19:20] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20091112 has all the lists [19:20] since i'm at work im tackling the easier incompletes [19:22] I have been cleaning up all my old bugs, which status should we focus on? [19:22] the new or the incompletes? [19:22] both [19:23] none is more important than the other [19:23] WeatherGod: read the descriptions for each table, they explain what actions are required for the bugs. [19:24] I can do a bunch of the gnome ones, I got an account there [19:25] Forwarding bugs upstream is a very good thing to do since it's the only way the developers will hear about them. [19:25] We should strive to get at least that list all green. [19:25] ubuntu-bug gave me a URL when I used it on my remote system via ssh (good). however, the url results in: "We’ve recorded what happened, and we’ll fix it as soon as possible. Apologies for the inconvenience" repeatably. any other way to get this reported? [19:26] atrus: What did the url look like? [19:26] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+filebug/llEf3tp6kmaawfmkdGmK7l2irX1? [19:27] atrus: it's not about the bug you wanted to report, but it is an error in Launchpad, the platform used to track the bugs. [19:27] yeah, i know. i'm just not sure what to do now. [19:27] You probably have to rerun ubuntu-bug since the old report wasn't sent to the server properly. [19:28] yeah, i've tried that, and it just does the same thing again. [19:28] really? [19:28] yep. [19:28] That could be a bug! [19:28] i mean, i different url, but the same problem. [19:28] qense: yeah, i should really think about reporting it. ;) [19:29] you know, ubuntu would look better if it didn't report any bugs... :-P [19:29] Apparently the report at the server is damanged somehow, or cannot be accessed. [19:29] If I am unable to reproduce a problem, and I have just added a note indicating I need more information, do I change the status from 'new' to something else? [19:30] jberry: In that case the bug report is still incomplete because it doesn't contain enough information to be processed and the status should therefore be Incomplete. [19:30] jberry: Did you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status [19:30] ? [19:31] That pages explains all the statuses. [19:31] Time to review :-) There are so many docs -- still trying to get a handle on the whole process. thanks. [19:32] yw, getting to know the documentation and its content takes some time, but you'll get it eventually [19:36] the problem I have seen in the "real" world is that there is always a lack of documentation -- this is really a pleasure. [19:37] There is never enough documentation. Feel free to edit a page if you think they've forgotten something or written something wrong. But take care with large changes. [19:42] who's using the bzr approach to hug day? [19:45] What's that? [19:46] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Tools === yoasif_ is now known as yoasif [19:49] once I finish with a bug (I linked it upstream), what do I do with it? [19:49] I'm using hugday-tools as well, but I installed it with the ubuntu-qa-tools package. [19:50] WeatherGod: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20091112 explains what to do next [19:50] you add your name to the column manually or use hugday-tools for it. [19:50] ah, I was thinking it was automatic [19:51] what's the PATH/TO/MOZILLA/COOKIE for hugday? [19:51] It depends on your Firefox profile. [19:52] none the wiser - how do i find out what it is? [19:52] It's mostly /home/{username}/.mozilla/firefox/{profile_id}.default/cookies.sqlite [19:52] howdy [19:52] sick man entering the room [19:52] hey look its qense :) [19:52] hi BUGabundo! [19:53] don't be sick on a hug day! [19:53] qense: awesome thanks. [19:53] yw [19:54] * bcurtiswx_ waves at BUGabundo [19:54] hey curtis [19:56] WeatherGod still editing the bugday page> [19:56] ? [19:56] sorry, just finished... [19:57] I think... [19:57] why be sorry? just wondering so i can go ahead and edit [19:57] didn't know it acted like cvs [19:59] ok, go ahead [19:59] I gotta get some of my "real" work done [19:59] probably come back tonight for some more [20:00] this is real work... its just volunteer [20:00] yeah, well, the people who pay me want their stuff done, too [20:01] yeah mine too... they'll be pretty dissappointed tomorrow... [20:01] j/k [20:03] We don't go by the table every day after a hug day to see if everyone was active enough. ;) [20:07] is it just me or is LP all messed up? [20:07] what problems are you having? === micahg1 is now known as micahg [20:09] fcuk112: fine here.. whats going on? [20:09] http://bayimg.com/jaeFAaaCN [20:10] killed + restarted firefox several times. [20:10] maybe it's time for a reboot? [20:11] turn off compiz? [20:11] that really looks weird [20:12] you could ask at #launchpad [20:12] do other pages look fine? [20:12] yea other websites look ok [20:12] i'll try to reboot first... brb [20:15] reboot before turning off compiz.... odd choice [20:19] hummm still the same, what's the LP channel? [20:20] is there a channel for launchpad? [20:20] #launchpad [20:21] thx. [20:23] the Status docs are not clear on this.. what if I am able to reproduce the bug on 8.10 but I see that it is already fixed (i.e., not reproducable) on 9.10. What should the status be changed to in that case? [20:27] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Fixed%20in%20Development%20release%20while%20still%20existing%20in%20a%20previous%20release [20:27] modify text for karmic [20:29] ctrl-f5 to fix that problem. :) [20:32] what's the reason for cups to have an higher version on karmic security then on lucid main? [20:32] built faster? [20:34] BUGabundo: the lucid version FTBFS [20:34] ah ok [20:34] should be 1.4.2-1 [20:34] tanks [20:34] ^h [20:34] but its not [20:34] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups [20:34] since I still have BOTH repos from the distupgrade [20:34] I'm seeing it pull karmic version [20:34] tzdata was newer in jaunty-updates than in karmic until today as well [20:35] although it could have been published to karmic-proposed [20:35] rather than karmic [20:35] I remember having to force a downgrade for tzdata and tzdata-java on all systems I upgraded [20:36] maybe this one slipped through as well, that was the point I wanted to make with this story ;) [20:37] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups/1.4.2-1 All architectures failed to build. [20:39] anyone here falling in love with omgubuntu.co.uk [20:39] <3 that site [20:39] didn't even knew it [20:41] I really like it, it's a good source of Ubuntu news [20:43] * bcurtiswx_ waves at seb128 [20:43] hi bcurtiswx [20:44] hey seb128 [20:45] hi BUGabundo [20:49] Well, I'm off for today. Good bye everyone! [20:50] laters qense. [20:50] well, class time. adios === micahg1 is now known as micahg === yoasif___ is now known as yoasif === cyphermo1 is now known as cyphermox === BUGabundo1 is now known as BUGabundo [22:45] micahg: heya [23:55] ah, home sweet home