[00:23] <MenZa> !distupgrade is <alias> !dist-upgrade
[00:31] <jrib> anyone getting queries from fedaralu?
[00:31] <jrib> federalu, sorry
[00:34] <MenZa> negative
[00:34] <MenZa> I feel unimportant
[00:34] <elky> not onjoin anyway
[00:35] <jrib> i kicked as some other user in #ubuntu claimed the same thing and it just spammed me back when I messaged it
[00:43] <Pici> I'm not sure how that would work.
[02:55] <tsimpson> !no dontzap is <reply> To re-enable the Ctrl-Alt-Backspace combination that restarts your X server see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/DontZap
[03:44] <vorian> i think ubottu should use words like thou, thine, shall, thee, etc..
[03:45] <vorian> ubottu: thou shalt begin to use such these words
[03:46] <vorian> trust me, i don't
[03:46] <vorian> :P
[05:30] <Flannel> Howdy arand_, how can we help you today?
[05:30] <arand_> Flannel: Howdy. Is shortened urls frowned upon in #ubuntu, or acceptable when giving support links?
[05:31] <Flannel> arand_: We'd prefer it if you didn't use shortening things unless the length is absolutely silly.
[05:31] <Flannel> arand_: Makes it more likely that people will follow the links, especially in the future when the tiny-whatever things might not be around anymore, etc.
[05:32] <arand_> Ok, good to know the policy, cheers.
[05:32] <elky> arand_, tinyurl for example has preview.tinyurl.com which gives people more confidence
[05:34] <arand_> I was asking since I have something i tend to throw at the sound-issue-folks: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/316600/ and was wondering if it would be best shortened or not.
[05:35] <Flannel> arand_: That's a tiny url to begin with
[05:36] <arand_> Hmm, well all depend on how you define tiny, but releatively, yea I guess. Thanks for the pointers!
[06:50] <Flannel> !no, ppp is <alias> modem
[06:50] <Flannel> !no, ppp is <alias> modem
[06:50] <Flannel> meh
[06:52] <Flannel> There we go.
[07:46] <dholbach> good morning
[07:47] <Flannel> Howdy dholbach
[07:47] <dholbach> hola Flannel
[08:06]  * jussi01 waves
[08:21] <jussi01> its been arelatively quiet week. bit suprising really.
[09:12] <Flannel> that's our MA comcast guy I reckon.
[09:17] <ardchoille> Is there any channel rule that forbids a user from joining with nick1, nick1_,nick1__ etc in #ubuntu? This user is also using two different IP's
[09:19] <topyli> ardchoille, there is no rule as such
[09:19] <ardchoille> Just FYI, someone might want to keep an eye on txwizard1*
[09:19] <ardchoille> Ah, ok, thanks topyli
[10:08] <MenZa> topyli: doesn't freenode have a kind of 'fair use' type of rule for having a bajillion nicks connected?
[10:08] <MenZa> (for a lack of a better term)
[10:09] <topyli> probably. i guess it depends on the scale of "etc" in ardchoille's question
[10:10] <jussi01> if they were webchat links they may not even be same user, just a link like we had with "openweek#"
[10:46] <eduardiyo> hi
[10:46] <eduardiyo> i am banned in #ubuntu-es and i want know the reason please
[10:47] <eduardiyo> somebody ?
[10:52] <Pricey> eduardiyo: Do you know who you were banned by?
[10:53] <Pricey> ach.. i see the ban now
[10:53] <eduardiyo> no
[10:53] <eduardiyo> i don't know sorry
[10:54] <Pricey> eduardiyo: Looking at the ban list i don't think it was directed at you, but you got accidentally caught.
[10:54] <eduardiyo> because?
[10:56] <Pricey> eduardiyo: No idea, I'll see what I can do about getting it sorted out.
[10:56] <Pricey> eduardiyo: Until then you'll have to be patient I'm afraid.
[10:56] <eduardiyo> ok :)
[10:56] <Pricey> eduardiyo: Ah, its been removeed :-)
[10:56] <Pricey> eduardiyo: Could you try joining now please?
[10:56] <eduardiyo> yes
[10:57] <eduardiyo> all ok
[10:57] <eduardiyo> thanks thanks thanks thanks
[10:57] <Pricey> eduardiyo: Good stuff, have fun!
[10:57] <eduardiyo> :)
[10:57] <eduardiyo> have a nice day !
[12:45] <bazhang> heads up in -ot yoshi765
[12:45] <Tm_T> and in -devel
[12:45] <Tm_T> ...I hate that I don't have ops in -devel
[12:46] <Tm_T> in #k he did this
[12:46] <Tm_T> 1443.53 < yoshi765> fuck ubuntu
[12:46] <Tm_T> 1444.03 < yoshi765> DAMN FREENODE
[12:46] <MenZa> I have him on my radar
[12:46] <bazhang> a bunch including -motu
[12:46] <Tm_T> here we go
[12:46] <elky> he's hit debian and freenode so far too
[12:47] <MenZa> Should we bother with waiting, elky?
[12:47] <jpds> Removed from -motu.
[12:47]  * elky pats ubottu.
[12:47] <jpds> He's in -server.
[12:47] <MenZa> So he is.
[12:48] <MenZa> Oh, he uprooted.
[12:50] <elky> trolls on DS, now who was it that had the free-for-all ds proxy thing?
[12:54] <jpds> < ~yoshi765> DAMN FREENODE
[12:54] <jpds> Seems to have got the message.
[13:09] <elky> no, he sometimes condemns ubuntu and debian as well
[13:22] <Tm_T> jpds: see what I pasted earlier, I see no learning in that
[13:23] <MenZa> "DAMN YOU, FREENODE. DAMN YOU TO HELL."
[13:24] <elky> wow, 3 new words.
[13:26] <MenZa> Indeed.
[13:51] <MenZa> Would anyone here like a Wave account?
[13:52]  * MenZa has 5 invites remaining; wants to share them here first.
[13:52] <Tm_T> I don't even like mine
[13:52] <bazhang> should change the topic in here
[13:52] <MenZa> :P
[13:52] <bazhang> *Yes we have wave invites!*
[13:52] <MenZa> Hahaha
 Ignore me at your own perill
[13:53] <bazhang> tons of that ^^
[13:56] <Pici> I already told him to move the randomness to #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:57] <bazhang> he stated that firewall did not use iptables
[14:03] <bazhang> argh
[14:12] <bazhang> ikonia, he means install only from nvidia website
[14:12] <bazhang> *ignore him at your perill* <-- his warning
[14:13] <ikonia> bazhang: that's unacceptable to advise to people blindly
[14:14] <bazhang> ikonia, of course it is; he is full of that of late
[14:33] <bazhang> banlist is full
[14:34] <jrib> i have some old bans
[14:34] <bazhang> what about the re-directs to #ubuntu-read-topic ? could they be removed?
[14:35] <jrib> bazhang: if they're old, yeah
[14:35] <bazhang> the majority seem to have no ownership (ie the sagan.freenode.net type)
[14:35] <bazhang> jrib, thanks
[14:36]  * jrib waits for ubottu.com
[14:36] <jrib> :/
[14:38] <bazhang> sorry for the flood
[14:41] <Pici> I should be the one apoligizing
[14:41] <bazhang> hehe
[14:42] <bazhang> if I went to the bantracker and tried to match some of the non-obvious bans (ie not the showmeyourt't.com ones) and removed that way, would that be acceptable?
[14:44] <jrib> i removed the arch-offtopic bans I had since their bans were several months old
[14:47] <ikonia> jrib: I was leaving them there on pupose
[14:49] <ikonia> due to the ammount of times they had trolled
[14:49] <jrib> ikonia: true but they were never given a chance after they were banned.  Plus, it seems that they are now aware that the channel is frequented by a few ops so they don't seem to be using it to coordinate their efforts anymore
[14:50] <ikonia> jrib: they have been given MANY chances they are all multiple offenders, hence why I left the bans on
[14:50] <jrib> ikonia: if you feel otherwise though, I have no problem with you replacing the bans
[14:50] <elky> is it a full moon?
[14:50] <ikonia> jrib: not at all, you can leave them off, I'm just explaining my reasons for leaving them on
[14:50] <ikonia> I'd rather bruenig was left out please.
[14:50] <jrib> ikonia: I think I commented "archlinux-offtopic" on all of them
[14:51] <jrib> ikonia: I didn't touch bruenig's
[14:51] <ikonia> good
[14:51] <jrib> these were 3 bans several months old
[14:51] <ikonia> yeah wizord and some others
[14:51] <ikonia> luckstre or something like that from memory
[14:52] <jrib> badipod
[14:52] <jrib> and captain planet or something
[14:52] <ikonia> in fairness the chanenl pasted the "bacta" test the other day which was a good sine
[14:52] <ikonia> sighn
[14:52] <ikonia> sign
[14:52] <ikonia> ughhhh
[14:52] <bazhang> any objections to my catalzying younder ? he seems immune to warnings about being offtopic
[14:52] <jrib> bazhang: he seems like an anti-helper, yeah
[14:52] <jrib> ikonia: "bacta" test?
[14:52] <ikonia> I'm not happy with his advice
[14:52] <ikonia> jrib: bacta tried to provoke them into being an issue in #ubuntu - they all shot him down
[14:53] <jrib> ikonia: ah
[14:53] <ikonia> a solid result in my view thinking about it
[14:53] <Pici> fyi, if anyone needs it, I have a little script that generates the /mode commands needed to make multiple mode changes at once given a file containing hostmasks: http://nullcortex.com/upload/unban.sh
[14:54] <elky> ikonia, has bacta been trouble since then? i've not had any contact with him since.
[14:54] <bazhang> he was nicking in and out of Abortionist a day or so ago
[14:54] <ikonia> elky: not that I'm aware of, a few VERY minor comments in arch-offtopic but they where nothing of any interest
[14:55] <jrib> irssi-python at least had a nice command that did that automatically Pici .  Since I don't use irssi anymore however, thanks!
[14:55] <elky> ikonia, so he's still in there?
[14:55] <jrib> elky: not now
[14:55] <ikonia> not at the momentm he's popped in a few times
[14:56] <ikonia> elky: positive news is each time they have shot him down as a troll,
[14:56] <elky> if he's persisting, i think he still thinks he's helping us somehow
[14:56] <ikonia> he's not dumb enough to think he's helping
[14:56] <bazhang> proceeding to match sagan.freenode.net bans and remove them (ie with bantracker) if there are no objections
[14:57] <ikonia> he's not been in for a while from what I've seen
[14:57] <ikonia> (few days)
[14:57] <elky> it's not about being dumb
[14:57] <genii> sagan is out of service now?
[14:57] <elky> the smartest people can do the stupidest things.
[14:57] <elky> he's sort of case in point to that.
[14:57] <bazhang> genii, just more of the bans are owned by them (ie not an operator ban)
[14:58] <genii> Aaah, got it
[15:56] <MenZa> Pici: cute.
[17:41] <Pici> gord: ping
[17:46] <Tm_T> brrrrrh, I hate that !nvidia factoid points to oldish wiki article
[17:46] <Pici> Has anyone spoken to Younder in private?
[17:47] <jussi01> Tm_T: update it then :D
[17:48] <Tm_T> jussi01: well, I'm using Intrepid myself, so I'm not qualified to write about newer releases
[18:21] <mneptok> maco: is your sailboat ready to receive the encrypted data?
[18:21]  * maco blinks
[18:21] <mneptok> sorry, "54i18047"
[18:21] <mneptok> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ
[18:21] <maco> im in class. no youtube
[18:22] <mneptok> well, it's for everyone else, too. watch later. hysterical.
[18:42] <genii> The Younder in #u seems problemmatic right now but I'm otherwise occupied
[18:43] <genii> (advising someone shutdown - now for instance for some vncserver startup issue
[18:43] <genii> telling them to stop whining etc etc
[20:00] <genii> I found it odd that no !voip exists
[20:00] <Tm_T> oh?
[20:00] <Tm_T> !voip
[20:01] <Tm_T> genii: indeed, interested?
[20:45] <topyli> i can't take it. aubade, mc44, and snuxoll hare having a discussion on -ot
[20:45] <topyli> can't live with them, can't ban them
[20:46] <Pici> topyli: a discussion about what?
[20:48] <topyli> right now i have no idea, i'm not watching
[20:49] <topyli> previously it was about gnome3, then about snuxoll's employment situation
[20:50] <genii> Tm_T: Sure but it will have to be when I have some consecutive time to spare, unfortunately that's not right now
[20:54] <Tm_T> genii: np, who knows someone else make it before, shame I don't have knowhow of this subject
[20:56] <topyli> as long as it's not (only) "call your skype friends for free!"
[20:57] <topyli> i wish we could recommend empathy but i think right now an alias to !ekiga should do
[20:57] <topyli> !ekiga
[20:59] <topyli> hrm. we do need to say that skype is possible, if not supported
[21:01] <topyli> also, i don't know how good empathy's msn voice/video is. amsn is there. empathy does work with google talk
[21:01] <genii> !asterisk
[21:01] <genii> Hm
[21:04] <topyli> yeah, !voip should be a meta-factoid. there is no way we could cram everything into a single one. !sip could cover asterisk and ekiga. !skype deserves a factoid i guess. i don't know what to do with empathy, especially when amsn might still be a better msn client. empathy is the only google voice client
[21:04] <topyli> neat
[21:12] <genii> !voip
[21:13] <Tm_T> that's nice
[21:14] <genii> Changes/remarks/suggestions welcomed
[21:15] <jussi01> usually the convention is just !skype not, Skype (see !skype )
[21:16] <mneptok> and i'd include Yate in the SIP server list
[21:18] <topyli> i'd brag about empathy's xmpp voice, since it's installed by default
[21:19] <topyli> well, google talk to normal people i guess
[21:19] <topyli> do normal people even use it? :)
[21:22] <genii> OK I'll make some changes when I get another few minutes free in a row here
[21:22] <topyli> :)
[21:23] <topyli> also, Gizmo5 is the brand these days (don't ask me why)
[21:33] <genii> !voip
[21:38] <genii> !Empathy
[21:39] <genii> I'm so tempted now to make ones like !asterisk !gizmo5 !kphone     etc...
[21:42] <mneptok> !sorry_i_dont_know_anything_about
[21:42] <topyli> looks pretty nice!
[21:43] <MenZa> erm, s/VOIP/VoIP?
[21:43] <MenZa> :p
[21:43] <topyli> well yeah :)
[21:44] <genii> MenZa: I guess it depends if you uppercase the o in "over" :)
[21:44]  * mneptok would
[21:44] <topyli> the convention is not to, though
[21:45] <genii> Changed
[21:45] <genii> !voip
[21:47] <genii> If someone could do sometime a !tether factoid, I don't know much about it unfortunately. But i see more and more people asking about how to use their phone as a modem these days and not much resources for it
[21:47]  * genii hands topyli a coffee
[21:51] <Flannel> !tether
[21:51] <Flannel> Oh, do sometime, not do something about.
[21:51]  * Flannel lurns to reed.
[21:52] <topyli> hmm
[21:52] <topyli> with tethering, things are very much different between karmic and hardy
[21:53] <topyli> i'll give it some thought
[21:53] <Flannel> There's a few blogs about it, and an Ubuntu forum thing. and... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TetheringMobilePhone
[21:53] <Flannel> Not quite a full featured page, but it's a start.
[21:57] <topyli> in karmic, it's pretty much plug-and-play with usb cable, thank you network hackers
[21:57] <topyli> in hardy (lts), it's a bit involved
[22:01] <topyli> oh man iirc i googled a lot and wrote udev rules and hated ubuntu when i tethered my phone in hardy
[22:08] <topyli> was looking for something i may have written about this, but looks like my mobile-related posts are from more like 2006, thankfully
[22:09] <topyli> "mounting the filesystem on a nokia 9300", requires p3nfs on the machine and a client on the phone, bluetooth trickery and something like 20 days of time
[22:16] <OzFalcon> Hi, I just tried to use Irc, And it says I am banned? (Used it the other day without issue). Some sort of error?
[22:17] <topyli> OzFalcon, hi
[22:17] <topyli> please one moment
[22:17] <OzFalcon> k
[22:18] <topyli> in #ubuntu?
[22:19] <OzFalcon> yes
[22:20] <topyli> if you were there recently, i can't really tell
[22:20] <topyli> someone more enlightened?
[22:20] <OzFalcon> I think I was there about 2 days ago.
[22:20] <OzFalcon> Not sure why who or what.
[22:22] <Seeker`> @bansearch OzFalcon
[22:22] <OzFalcon> I left irc myself. No Op intervention. No issues. Just when I tried again it didnt let me
[22:23] <Seeker`> that is about as enlightened I am
[22:23] <topyli> oh i missed that completely, was probably using a cached version of the web interface or something
[22:23] <OzFalcon> Is that saying "Flannel" banned me? Never spoke (or heard of) him/her.
[22:24] <topyli> well, if Flannel is around, there will be a comment shortly no doubt
[22:24] <Seeker`> that is what it is saying?
[22:24] <Seeker`> -?
[22:24] <Seeker`> @btlogin
[22:25] <OzFalcon> Why would I be banned AFTER I leave IRC?
[22:26] <Seeker`> 4chan spammer on c122-106-*
[22:26] <OzFalcon> eh?
[22:27] <Seeker`> topyli: enlightened enough? I am a little busy
[22:28] <OzFalcon> @bansearch OzFalcon
[22:29] <OzFalcon> how did you get ubottu to do that?
[22:29] <Seeker`> I am an op
[22:29] <topyli> OzFalcon, only ops have access to the database
[22:29] <OzFalcon> ok. need to be op.
[22:30] <OzFalcon> so what does "4chan spammer on c122-106-*" mean?
[22:30] <Seeker`> it means that there was a spammer on a similar IP to you
[22:30] <OzFalcon> oh. Great.
[22:31] <topyli> Seeker`, i'm not an op on #ubuntu
[22:32] <OzFalcon> But IP's are specific. So why ban a swath?
[22:32] <nalioth> OzFalcon: abuse?
[22:32] <OzFalcon> Don't anser that. (I know)
[22:32] <nalioth> when an abusive user keeps recycling their modem to gain a new IP, measures like this have to be taken
[22:33] <OzFalcon> ie if the spammer can change ip , You need to ..... yeah that IP/modem thing.
[22:33] <OzFalcon> But why the hell would you bother?
[22:34] <OzFalcon> Anyway. Can someone overide it. It's impacting on legit users. (ME)
[22:34] <topyli> to keep the channels tidy?
[22:35] <OzFalcon> I first noticed it yesterday. Thought it would have passed by today. Now it's becoming an inconveince.
[22:37] <OzFalcon> topyli, (No I mean why would the spammer bother cycling their modem just to spam. It's Insane)
[22:37] <topyli> OzFalcon, yes it is, isn't it
[22:38] <topyli> anyway, i have to go get some sleep now. hopefully this will be sorted soon. cheers
[22:38] <OzFalcon> Well Who will sort it then?
[22:39] <OzFalcon> C U.
 If you need support with fluxbox in ubuntu, join #ubuntu-fluxbox  I joined and asked if this was official, also asked him not to advertise, and he kb'd me. Have to head out for a bit
[23:50] <mneptok> 16:49 [Freenode] -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- Information on #fluxbuntu:
[23:50] <mneptok> 16:49 [Freenode] -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- Registered : Jun 02 16:33:18 2006 (3 years, 23 weeks, 3 days, 07:16:24 ago)
[23:50] <mneptok> #ubuntu-fluxbox was registered 45 minutes ago
[23:56] <nalioth> mneptok: yeah, it's not gonna last long