[14:26] <sadmac> Keybuk: what are you doing with plymouth?
[14:27] <Keybuk> sadmac: replacing usplash and xsplash with it
[14:27] <sadmac> Keybuk: I guessed. :) What's this new functionality you've added?
[14:29] <Keybuk> there's a debug x11 renderer in it
[14:29] <Keybuk> I turned it into a proper "fullscreen on each head" renderer
[14:29] <Keybuk> and added the code to let you pause the display
[14:29] <Keybuk> start X
[14:29] <Keybuk> then resume animating on a new X window
[14:30] <sadmac> Keybuk: I haven't noticed x/gdm taking long enough to start for me to want that, but go for it :)
[14:31] <Keybuk> gdm takes 2-3 seconds
[14:31] <Keybuk> but it's GNOME that's the POS here
[14:32] <Keybuk> auto-login takes 6-15s after X is started
[14:33] <sadmac> Keybuk: yeah, rstrode/some others said that they might need to beat that down (again, apparently there's been a lot of yoyoing in gnome startup time in the past).
[14:33] <Keybuk> yeah
[14:33] <Keybuk> but then they start mewing about "It's all I/O because on a cold cache"
[14:33] <Keybuk> and it so isn't
[14:33] <Keybuk> because ureadahead warms the cache up very nicely, and it still takes that long (with no disk activity)
[20:07] <Keybuk> bloody race conditions
[20:07] <Keybuk> turns out that if you don't idle the plugin
[20:07] <Keybuk> then it's still going to animate after you dlclose() it
[20:07] <Keybuk> which crashes plymouth while X is starting
[20:07] <Keybuk> which forces the console into KD_TEXT
[20:07] <Keybuk> which upsets X too
[20:09] <sadmac> Keybuk: have you been in touch with Ray?
[20:10] <Keybuk> Ray has been very helpful :)
[20:10] <Keybuk> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/plymouth/
[20:10] <Keybuk> note top three commits ;)
[20:13] <sadmac> I take it those were at your request?
[20:13] <sadmac> ah, detailed message explains all
[20:13] <sadmac> Keybuk: so how are y'all feeling about plymouth. Still kicking around other options?
[20:14] <Keybuk> y'all doesn't happen until next week
[20:14] <Keybuk> I'm trying to make plymouth work, so that when everyone's together next week, I can go "look, it works, it's perfect, now can we kill usplash?"
[20:14] <sadmac> ahh
[20:15] <Keybuk> (and xsplash)
[20:15] <sadmac> Keybuk: what about the KMS thing? Just not bothered by it, or does the new nvidia stuff cover enough of your users now?
[20:15]  * sadmac was pleased that plymouth started working graphically in F12
[20:17] <Keybuk> plymouth works with vga16fb
[20:18] <Keybuk> I think I've sold Mark on the idea that he can have a b/w 16 colour logo for the non-KMS crowd
[20:18] <Keybuk> (ie. just like our usplash theme)
[20:19] <sadmac> Keybuk: and it springs to life once you shift it on top of X?
[20:20] <Keybuk> exactly
[20:20] <sadmac> wayland is much more famous as a town (several towns really) than as a windowing system
[20:22] <Keybuk> yes
[20:22] <Keybuk> I was noticing your town naming scheme
[20:24] <sadmac> Keybuk: I'm not sure if it was a RH-initiated project, but Beryl is a road not far from the Raleigh office. It has a waffle house on it.
[20:25] <sadmac> I don't think there's any official policy about naming things after places, and I also don't believe Wayland was produced under orders from RH anyway.
[20:26] <sadmac> weird little groupthink thing we have going I guess.
[20:26] <Keybuk> yeah
[20:26] <Keybuk> like our one of "open a dictionary at U and start reading until you find one"
[20:27] <Keybuk> completely unofficial
[20:27] <sadmac> heh
[20:27] <Keybuk> but when stuck for a name, it's what most people do :)
[20:28] <sadmac> I'm really good at coming up with project names
[20:29] <Keybuk> I'm terrible at it
[20:29] <Keybuk> (upstart was very much an "open the dictionary at U" name)
[20:29] <Keybuk> ureadahead was "argh, can't think of a name, ok U <whatever it was>"
[20:30] <sadmac> Keybuk: just about any time I think of a project idea I create a folder in ~/coding with that name. I have a lot of empty folders with really awesome-sounding names.
[20:30] <Keybuk> haha
[20:30] <sadmac> some of them at least have a .git folder
[20:32] <sadmac> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120271945
[20:32] <sadmac> Open source limbs?