[00:00] also upgraded to nvidia 190, that might've helped too... [00:00] bug 348370... maybe the python optparse class can't handle non-ascii characters? (lol) [00:00] Launchpad bug 348370 in jockey "jockey-kde crashed with UnicodeDecodeError in write()" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/348370 [00:00] JontheEchidna: oh, I looked at that, strange. the same code runs ok in -gtk and -text (the same actual method!) [00:00] erm, strange [00:01] JontheEchidna: plus, it behaves differently under sudo and kdesudo... one does a crash, one shows question marks. [00:01] maybe it's some global python setting somewhere... [00:02] I wonder if the system locale settings differ from the KDE-set ones or even the non-KDE-user set ones? [00:02] JontheEchidna: no clue :-) [00:02] just speculating here :) [00:03] btw, in both sp and jockey there were a bunch of bugs that are trivial to reproduce, or even stumble upon, in foreign locales [00:03] I'm guessing no dev or core team member uses any such locale :-/ [00:04] unfortunately locale testing has been abysmal pretty much all of kubuntu's life [00:05] say, do any of the ppl that r here fulltime get paid for it? [00:05] for being on irc fulltime? I doubt it ;-) [00:06] lol [00:06] now that would be a killer job! [00:06] Riddell and agateau are the two full-time employees of Canonical, everyone else is doing it on their own time [00:07] I'm tired of corporate world, quit it. but I need to make a living if I wanna keep contributing to foss projects... wish I could find some way [00:07] I hear agateau is busy with a new baby lately, though === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [00:08] :-) [00:08] btw, do we get a popup message for jockey these days? [00:08] dunno [00:09] my proprietary hardware have given up the ghost for me, so I cannot test these days [00:09] I tested in a vbox, so nothing to be auto-detected there [00:09] in theory we should, though [00:09] "given up the ghost"? not familiar with that one [00:09] time to finally Reformat and Reinstall Kubuntu on this laptop...after upgrading to Karmic, the speed is horribly slow and a lot of stuff seems to have broken since then....wow, I went 3 years dist-upgrading this machine [00:10] nixternal: just in time for the LTS :-) [00:10] heh, I am sure within the next couple of weeks I will upgrade to Lucid anyways [00:11] JontheEchidna: can u remind me what other apps are self-developed other than sp, jockey and (I think) the usb creator? [00:13] printer-applet-kde, and system-config-printer-kde (these are in KDE itself but we maintain them) [00:13] you could also help with kubuntu-notification-helper if you're in the mood for C++ hacking [00:13] ryanakca: I just noticed the ubuntu homepage has a nice animated gif screenshot thing... I think it would be great to have one for the new kubuntu.org site (pass on to ofir por favor?) [00:14] at the moment we also have gdebi-kde and install-package, but we're looking to discontinue those and replace them with kpackagekit [00:14] what are the last two? [00:14] amichair: *nod*.... we have a screenshot slideshow module pending review. Will pass on the animated gif though :) [00:15] amichair: gdebi-kde and install-package? gdebi-kde is a .deb installer and install-package is a batch installer that uses gdebi-kde [00:16] and is kpackagekit a kde maintained app? is that why we like it? [00:17] not official KDE, but it does have maintainers that are not us :P [00:17] hopefully once it matures a bit it'll become official KDE [00:20] why was adept replaced? it behaves just about the same... [00:21] it was unmaintainable [00:21] as in the code sucked? [00:22] lol [00:22] it was special [00:22] and we could always do with one less app to maintain [00:23] * amichair repeats to himself: think before talking, think before talking... [00:23] then get rid of pkgkit :p we always have aptitude/apt-get installed by default :p [00:23] silly disk encryption in karmic [00:24] so there are basically 3 packages self-deved... that's good, I guess. if one or two more devs wanna join me on a fixing spree, we can get them all rock solid and beautiful! [00:25] Might as well get rid of KDE too, you can telnet to SMTP servers to send mail and to webservers to fetch websites (render the HTML in your mind), use ed to edit files, etc. :D [00:26] ryanakca: good point [00:26] * nixternal downloads the ubuntu minimal cd [00:26] nixternal: CD? Bah, get a floppy distro :P [00:26] net install! [00:26] tomsrsbt and blueflops were good :) [00:26] or was it tomrsbt? I forget. [00:29] slackware 1.0 was the best [00:30] is it just me, or did the fonts get tiny on the upgrade to karmic? [00:31] I just noticed that as well amichair on a new install...I like it! [00:31] finally, I don't have to modify them anymore after a fresh install :) [00:32] I just put them back up to 9px... too small for comfort. [00:33] hmmm... for some reason software-properties is the only one which remained small :-/ [00:40] JontheEchidna: you made the other fixed jockey bug disappear [00:41] which one? [00:41] oh, the one with the backtrace? [00:41] bug #400637 [00:41] Launchpad bug 400637 in jockey "Jockey crashing in KDE 4.3 rc2 (dup-of: 403361)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/400637 [00:41] Launchpad bug 403361 in python-qt4 "apport-kde crashed with SIGSEGV in QWidgetPrivate::deleteExtra()" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/403361 [00:43] btw, I do have plans now to remove the tray icon entirely and rely soley on the KNotification, after I get it working [00:43] I distinctly remember downloading 48 MB of screensavers when -workspace was updated. Where did they go? [00:43] the KNotification is created now, but never told to show. If I can fix that then add some action buttons to do what the tray icon does now we're golden [00:45] u mean the KStatusNotifierItem? [00:46] JontheEchidna: oh, that's the common popup thingy? [00:46] yeah [00:47] JontheEchidna: how does that work with a long-term reminder such as this? can it show an icon too? or it'll popup once a day? [00:48] we set it to persistent so that it won't go away until dealt with [00:48] how does that show up? [00:48] JontheEchidna: This is on the notifier? [00:48] ScottK: no, jockey-kde [00:48] Ah [00:48] OK. [00:48] basically you get the popup with the button to launch jockey in it [00:49] then after 5 seconds it will minimize to the "i" icon [00:49] but not go away until dealt with [00:49] Unfortunately it will then maximize every time some other notification pops up [00:49] (this is something I'd like to see change) [00:50] maybe persistent or second-time notifications should show just the title or something (expandable) [00:50] Honestly they should not show at all. [00:51] They've been shown and because of the number in the (i) it's known they are there [00:51] Having them pop up again at all is just annoying [00:51] so they show only when u click on the i urself? that sounds good. [00:52] That's my thought. [00:52] although the number should be changed, not sure how. don't have one right now, but iirc it's small and dark and blends in with the noise, not as eye-catching as a notification should be [00:53] maybe a yellow shining ball number or something instead [00:56] JontheEchidna: I see the knotification line is there, what's needed to make it work? [00:56] * JontheEchidna is working on a patch for that [00:57] basically it gets constructed but never shown [00:57] cool [00:58] I like this new notification system. it makes sense, is simple and convenient. [00:59] it's been there since KDE3 days, just not with integrated plasma awesomeness [00:59] it used to be a bare, uncentered gray popup at the top of the screen [00:59] I hate in windows when every app u have pops up its own icon for updates (as well as its own update process)... [01:00] well I don't know what it was, but I do like what I'm looking at now :-) [01:00] well, I'm off to bed. gotta quit going to sleep at 5am... [01:01] although for fixing kubuntu bugs, it was worth it ;-) [01:04] :) [01:04] I think we covered most annoying/longstanding bugs this week. Thanks everyone for your assistance :-) [01:06] night amichair [01:06] welcome back Lex79, oh king of the merges [01:06] hi Riddell :) [01:06] Riddell: :-) === yofel_ is now known as yofel [01:09] finally we don't care about phonon include \o/ [01:12] well, qt 4.6 could well have more sillyness with phonon headers and other phonon bits [01:12] JontheEchidna: problems with kdebase-runtime which depens on new oxygen icons package? have done something wrong ? [01:13] Lex79: nope, the new oxygen-icons is just stuck in binary new [01:13] ah ok [01:14] not any more :) [01:29] ryanakca: Why pass on the Anigif ? [01:30] DaskreeCh, amichair: No, I will pass the anigif idea on. [01:31] ScottK: I have 45 MB of wallpapers [02:00] Ah, wallpapers, not screensavers. [02:04] KDE Screensavers are in a really bad shape [02:05] ScottK: konqueror is covered by kdebase-dbg ? [02:06] I think so. [02:09] JontheEchidna: Did you see https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-lucid-distiguishing-updates-that-require-restart and will you be able to participate remotely (perhaps)? [02:10] holy crap, I screwed up my knotifications [02:11] depends on what time it's discussed I suppose [02:11] I don't think it effects update-notifier-kde or kubuntu-notification-helper, as they just notify when their told to. (K)PackageKit is what would need modifying to support that [02:12] meaning, it probably won't support that, given its track record [02:15] OK. [02:16] Maybe I'll just seed the software center for netbook. [02:16] * ScottK will have to look into that [02:16] * JontheEchidna tries to figure out why self.mw.notify.setActions("Manage Drivers") gives each character of that string its own button in the KNotification [02:17] maybe if I wrap that in a qstring... [02:18] oh, pyqt doesn't use qstrings apparently [02:34] :-( I have kdebase-dbg installed and DrKonqui insists I'm worthless :( [02:35] * DaskreeCh sobs kwietly in the korner [02:35] dr konqi does not lie ;p [02:35] Ok Lets see if it's just my crappy PC [02:36] http://imagebin.ca/view/EwZ_sAzL.html [02:36] When you get a Save File dialog does it ever sometimes pause as it's evaluating files so that things like directories are not able to be clicked? [02:36] JontheEchidna: I approve! [02:37] Should change the button to "despair all ye who enter here" [02:38] that was more of a manual test since I have no prop. hardware to test [02:40] JontheEchidna: put that as jockey-kde --truth [03:30] ScottK: are they going to have a voip bridge or just listen+irc? [03:30] seele: No idea. Even when they have the voip thing it never seems to work very well. [03:30] I see they have pre-defined IRC channels per room, so that should help. [03:31] there isn't enough bw, and the shaping tends to be arse [03:31] do you have a crackberry with a decent speaker phone? i could call you [03:31] or someone else there with a US calling plan [03:31] My palm Treo doesn't do too badly. [03:31] ah you have a treo [03:32] i knew you didnt have an iphone so i just assumed blackberry [03:32] Last person on the planet with one, apparently. [03:32] i'd say, hehe [03:32] nope, I know quite a few people here with treos [03:32] they're ridiculed gently by their respective IT depts, but eh, attorneys. shrug. [04:05] it seems kopete-facebook don't work anymore (protocol change I think), it's fixed in someone git repo. I also fixed a small bug in mine. How does it works to update the package? [04:12] bbigras: the formalized structure is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/CodeReviews [04:13] dtchen_: thanks! [04:13] bbigras: less formally, if you have a bug report filed using Launchpad, someone here or in #ubuntu-motu could take a look [04:15] dtchen_: ok thanks [05:03] dtchen_: It looks like the bugs are already filled by others [05:08] dtchen_: The modif I have fix 428017, 428022 and 476360 [05:08] bbigras: yes, but you can triage them [the bugs], attach your debdiff, and ... [05:08] dtchen_: on diff per bug? [05:08] one* [05:09] bbigras: no, if they're the same bug, then mark the latter two as dupes of the first [05:09] yes I already marked 3 bugs as the same. but I do one diff for each specific bug? [05:10] bbigras: if they're separate (distinct) bugs, then yes, one debdiff per bug [05:10] dtchen_: ok thanks [05:33] Hmm Kopete Krunner is quite slow [05:39] I attached debdiffs for bug 476360 and bug 428017 , if anyone is interested [05:39] Launchpad bug 476360 in kopete-facebook "Never able to connect to facebook" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/476360 [05:39] Launchpad bug 428017 in kopete-facebook "plugin does not know it is offline" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/428017 [05:42] and it could be nice if someone change the importance of "Never able to connect to facebook" since this bug makes the plugin useless [05:43] if someone could change* [07:22] nixternal: Speaking of stuff you promised, but didn't do, I did https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDevelopers while you were gone. Tech board is reviewing now. [07:23] ya, thanks for that one :) I didn't do quite a few things that I said I would do before I left...felt shitty about it until I got into PA in the mountains on the bike :p [07:29] vorian: You're still marked essential on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-lucid-motu - please change that. [07:44] Riddell: is anybody working on pkg-kde-tools merge for karmic? I think we should get this early in lucid to reduce the delta to debian in other packages [07:45] * Lure_ has packages which need completely new rules files due to diff [07:46] Riddell: but get digikam/kipi-plugins in before, as it is easier for backports ;-) [07:47] * Lure_ likes the bright side of it ;-) [08:27] Riddell: re set_country.diff .. upstreamable to debian, probably needs changes for KDE, though AFAIK not even upstreams reference implementation of kdm.init does include locale stuff, so I doubt it would get accepted [08:27] DaskreeCh: weeeh :D [08:28] JontheEchidna: are you suggesting that I am talking to myself at times? :P [08:29] * apachelogger really cant do anything about people not wanting to join apachelogger's brainstorming :P [08:47] maco: congrats on getting MOTU emblem! ;-) [08:49] Lure: thanks :) [10:10] Lure: digikam and k-p uploaded [10:21] JontheEchidna: maybe u can close bug 381100 while you're at it? [10:21] Launchpad bug 381100 in jockey "Removing jockey-kde does not remove task bar icon" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/381100 === _wstephenson is now known as wstephenson [10:57] bbigras: testing your changes now [11:13] NCommander: kde4libs arm breakage if you're bored if your morning sudoku [11:17] tseliot: you're on facebook? [11:17] Riddell: yep [11:17] tseliot: can you see my chat ping? [11:17] Riddell: yes, I can [11:18] bbigras: rock, kopete facebook working [11:18] \o/ [11:21] bah [11:22] it fails here, and crashes Kopete on exit [11:25] Hello Riddell, I uploaded packagekit and kpackagekit 0.5 to the ppa [11:25] which is why bbigras kindly did that fix for us [11:25] Tm_T: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/kopete-facebook_0.1.4-0ubuntu2_i386.deb [11:25] amichair: around? [11:26] Riddell: hmm, is fixes pushed upstream? [11:26] Riddell, the apt backend received a lot of love and polishing in the last days [11:26] Riddell, but the patches would still need to be adapted for kpackagekit [11:26] bbigras: I redid your patches as quilt patches within the debian directory which any package will need (take a look on the bug if you're interested in packaging), I've uploaded to lucid and to karmic-proposed which will need a check from motu sru to approve [11:26] amichair: I can test whatever you need for bug 357134... [11:26] Tm_T: I believe it comes from upstream [11:26] Launchpad bug 357134 in jockey "jockey-kde hungs on 'Activate' (dup-of: 458770)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/357134 [11:26] Launchpad bug 458770 in jockey ""Hardware Drivers" does not indicate what is activatable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/458770 [11:27] glatzor: what patches for kpackagekit? [11:29] Riddell: strange, I'm using upstream, thats trunk kopete and facebook plugin from git [11:29] "Based on a git commit by Alexandru Scvortov (http://github.com/brunoqc/kopete-facebook/commit/275a502156927eec92b01c18bb00873af798fa56)" [11:29] Riddell, software-properties-kde integration mainly [11:30] Riddell: hmmm, I'll look more closely on it, thanks [11:30] glatzor: are you going to UDS? [11:30] Riddell, yes. [11:31] Riddell, I haven't yet found much time for prepartions, but I will be there :) [11:31] mm, I should pack sometime too [11:31] maybe find a way to get to the airport [11:31] yeah, me too... [11:31] * jussi01 is leaving sunday morning... [11:32] Riddell, see you! at least in dallas! [11:39] glatzor: so these patches, you made some to packagekit and now they need adapted to kpackagekit? [11:45] jussi01: heya [11:51] jussi01: apply this patch, and see if it's better: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~amichai2/jockey/fixes/revision/583 [11:55] Riddell, JontheEchidna, apachelogger: first one to review and merge the software-properties-kde fixes branch gets three cookies. Three!!! This is an opportunity you *really* don't want to miss! (this competition is open to everyone else as well!) [11:55] amichair: could you roll it up into a ppa package somewhere? [11:56] jussi01: dunno, can I? how would I go about doing that? [11:59] jussi01: btw a simple way to verify it's the same bug - just click on the driver every time before you click on activate (even if it seems to be selected) [11:59] hi [12:24] which package do I need for amarok to play mp3 in karmic? [12:24] apparently it broke after upgrading [12:25] sebas: libmp3lame0 I believe [12:26] nixternal: already installed [12:26] hrmm [12:27] mp32ogg :p [12:27] mp3 is evil :D [12:28] Right. :( [12:29] It's 2009, and I'm continuously having audio problems [12:29] there's hardly been a single day where my audio just works [12:29] * sebas finds that sad [12:32] sebas: there are a few people you could kill for us, maybe start with Pöttering ;) [12:32] for once I have been audio-issue-free [12:33] sebas: and that's the reason we need a Multimedia spring for KDE, see my mail [12:33] yeah :/ [12:34] * a|wen-dtu has been audio-issue-free since upgrading to karmic and installing pulseaudio (seems like it has matured a lot; or i've just been lucky) [12:34] the latter, believe me, markey tried and had stuttering sound galore [12:35] tried using flash and anything else at the same time, with a hda_intel? [12:35] Mamarok: also on karmic ... cause in jaunty it simply didn't work [12:35] it got as good as "sometimes just restarting firefox and killing everything else helps" [12:35] a|wen-dtu: My kids desktop has been trouble free on sound since upgrading to Karmic and removing pulseaudio. [12:35] what bothers me most is that it can't just be disabled and let people fall back to their sound card defaults, it really screws the sound big time, rewritening alsa configs, etc. [12:36] that's just not acceptable [12:36] sebas: sure; amarok + youtube + another folash movie playing at the same time ... on an hda_intel [12:36] a|wen-dtu: that works for me with the defautl phonon settings, no need for pulseaudio to do that [12:36] default* [12:37] I have Amarok playing + Youtube video without problems here, phono + xine backend [12:37] even if the sound mix is horrible and I don't see why I would want to do that, but it works [12:38] a|wen-dtu: guess you're more lucky than I am then [12:38] I don't have any kind of sound on my development notebook for _months_ [12:39] I did fix my amarok now though, the multimedia partition's mount got lost apparently [12:39] there's some ext4 funkiness in my dmesg, maybe that's why the mount got lost [12:40] thanks though, and sorry for the noise [12:40] Mamarok: for me i couldn't make two things play at the same time before installing pulseaudio after upgrading to karmic ... at least i was lucky enough to find one combination which worked [12:53] * ghostcube is audio issue free cause he uses jackd libxine with jack support from ppa [12:53] :) [12:54] i run vlc mplayer youtube all with jackd :D [12:54] at one time no probs [12:54] -_- [13:49] * seele wants to know what's so usable about having to use your mouse to read text [13:49] if the text isnt that useful then it should be in a tooltip, not subtext description [13:49] seele: what where? [13:50] nevermind that mouseover actions are nearly impossible on touch interfaces [13:50] Tm_T: comments about one of the kubuntu patches [13:50] ah [13:50] seele: btw I constantly find issues with white text in white background, that's something I hate [13:51] Riddell: thanks [13:51] Tm_T: yeah, usually reading white text on white background is pretty difficult :P [13:55] Tm_T: I'm don't know if the guy who made the kopete-facebook "protocol change" commit is part of a team. I'll check with the plugin guy if he can import the change. About the offline bug fix, it was by me and I made a pull request on github, it was to fix https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=213389 [13:55] KDE bug 213389 in general "[facebook-plugin] Account can not be removed" [Normal,New] [14:02] seele: which patch is that? [14:14] Riddell: you saw that the package failed to build for lucid? [14:16] hello [14:16] I was trying to find Debian package for QT source code [14:16] I have checked here: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-kde/trunk/packages/qt4-x11 [14:16] but I do not see anything [14:17] bbigras: yes missing pkg-config, I'll upload a fix [14:17] Riddell: ok, thanks :) [14:18] MidMark: "Repository has been moved to Git" [14:18] oh [14:18] do you have a link pls? [14:18] Vcs-Git: git://git.debian.org/pkg-kde/qt4-x11.git [14:18] Vcs-Browser: http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-kde/qt4-x11.git;a=summary [14:20] where is it possible to download the debian package and not single files? [14:28] Riddell: kubuntu_19_always_show_kickoff_subtext.diff [14:32] hi there! [14:33] how's the "Timelord Project" going? [14:33] i noticed that there's no "timelord team" in launchpad [14:34] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/LucidPatchReview is filling up [14:34] shouldn't we create one first? [14:34] ~kubuntu-members [14:34] aah [14:34] ok [14:35] i've just requested to join the team [14:35] kubuntu membership needs contribution first [14:36] I know the fix for the sudo qtcurve/KDE theming prob [14:36] I was thinking of patching kubuntu-default-settings package [14:37] then upload it to the members' PPA [14:37] ooh? what's the problem? [14:38] when you start a gtk app [14:38] in a KDE session [14:38] the theme used in the app will be ... [14:38] a very crappy one [14:39] my idea was adding a postinst rule [14:39] that will create the file [14:39] "root/.gtk-rc2.0" [14:39] that will just fix the prob [14:39] when uninstalling, that file could be removed [14:40] it doesn't hurt gnome sessions [14:40] what about when you change the theme though? [14:40] the kcm_gtk stuff doesn't apply to the root user [14:41] using gnome-control-center -> appearance [14:41] is the, only, other workaround [14:41] but that pushes a lot of gtk/gnome packages [14:42] hmm, I pretty sure my ATA to USB adapter was working in Karmic, now it's unable to enumerate USB device on port 2 :/ [14:42] I'm pretty sure it's against policy to install stuff in /root [14:42] for the user we add the file on KDE startup [14:42] possibly it could be added on kdesudo startup in a similar way [14:43] but not sure how to do that [14:43] Making kdesudo apply the user's theme would be the proper way to do this [14:43] I agree [14:43] but that's no easy task (at least for me) [14:44] symlinking the .gtk-rc2.0 files won't work for more than one user, and copying a gtkrc to /root/ on install won't work after the user changes his GTK theme settings [14:44] yep [14:45] the root would always have qtcurve theme [14:45] (but only for KDE session) [14:45] I know that running "gnome-settings-daemon" after a theme on Gnome has been set [14:45] this also works [14:45] is GTK2_RC_FILES not used? [14:45] can't kdesudo just make sure that's set? [14:46] maybe [14:48] what about: [14:48] GTK2_RC_FILES=/usr/share/themes/theme/gtkrc APP [14:48] running that before kdesudo [14:48] that may fix the prob [14:49] it would probably be trivial to get kdesudo to do that by default [14:49] * JontheEchidna wishes Tonio were here [14:50] I have it set to /etc/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:/home/jr/.gtkrc-2.0:/home/jr/.gtkrc-2.0-kde4:/home/jr/.kde/share/config/gtkrc-2.0 [14:50] if kdesudo kept that it should be fine [14:50] or maybe we could add a button to kcm_gtk ? [14:51] "enable this theme for sudo" [14:51] a kdesudo fix would be worlds more proper [14:51] Anyone knows the link for qt's source debian package (.deb) file? Please [14:51] plus kcm_gtk would need to be launched with kdesudo itself [14:51] what gtk apps get run as root anyway? [14:52] synaptic [14:52] ^synaptic [14:52] is the most wanted gtk package for KDE users, i think [14:52] MidMark: linked from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11 [14:52] whoa, kdebluetooth has never been merged with debian [14:53] kdebluetooth also has upstream fixes [14:53] oh, just not in a really long time [14:53] yeah, I'm doing the RC2 + merge [14:53] MidMark: also .debs aren't source [14:54] I'll look into kdesudo code [14:54] and see what I can do [14:55] yeah synaptic is fine :) [14:55] couldnt someone port it to qt ? [14:55] falktx: things I'd look for are is that environment variable being passed through by kdesudo or not, and is it being used by gtk anyway [14:55] jussi01: Are you taking requests for increased channel limits for UDS? [14:55] Riddell: I can't find any qt4-x11 debian package, only .tar.gz :( [14:56] MidMark: diff.gz is there too [14:57] another question: how was possible that qt4.5.3 didn't compile in time for Karmic? [14:57] in the version i see: [14:57] We couldn't get it to build. [14:57] 4.5.3-really4.5.2 [14:57] MidMark: a debian source package is made up of .orig.tar.gz (upstream source), .diff.gz (diff containing the packaging) and .dsc (description md5sums). download all three and use dpkg-source -x foo.dsc to extract [14:57] The fix came too late so we had to revert [14:57] that's sad [14:58] ah [14:58] ok thanks! [14:58] Lucid will have qt4.6.0 for sure, i hope [14:58] qt 4.5.3 also moved around phonon headers and it's not a good idea to do that late in the cycle [14:58] lucid already does have 4.6 [14:58] nice [14:58] there's not an alpha1 yet or is it? [14:59] 4.6 is in experimental ppa or ? [15:00] i saw 4.6 on kubuntu-experimental [15:00] with koffice 2.1 rc1 [15:01] i check it, there's not even a Lucid current ISO yet [15:01] ScottK: um, you need to ask a freenode staffer for +u, but tell them to ask me for a reference if they need one. [15:01] ScottK: nalioth or pricey are both ubuntu guys, so probably best people to ask [15:02] jussi01: Sorry. THought you were one. [15:02] ScottK: was.... [15:02] :) [15:02] * ScottK nods [15:04] falktx: koffice is in beta backports [15:05] * neversfelde should probably delete the other packages in staging and experimental [15:06] how many bug reports are opened per day for kubuntu? === amik is now known as amichair [15:07] koffice beta 2 is in backports [15:07] rc1 is in experimental [15:07] at least a few days ago [15:08] (i mean koffice 2.1) [15:08] amichair: I don't think we count, there's no set of kubuntu packages anyway [15:09] Riddell: I'm just reading the TimeLord doc, and it makes me wonder what we're dealing with here [15:11] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-bugs/+packagebugs [15:11] I give up, anyone know what can stop a HDD connected via an IDE-to-USB adapter to stop working? Kernel says: “[67416.731577] hub 2-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2” [15:12] try another usb port? [15:12]