[00:00] <amichair> also upgraded to nvidia 190, that might've helped too...
[00:00] <JontheEchidna> bug 348370... maybe the python optparse class can't handle non-ascii characters? (lol)
[00:00] <amichair> JontheEchidna: oh, I looked at that, strange. the same code runs ok in -gtk and -text (the same actual method!)
[00:00] <JontheEchidna> erm, strange
[00:01] <amichair> JontheEchidna: plus, it behaves differently under sudo and kdesudo... one does a crash, one shows question marks.
[00:01] <amichair> maybe it's some global python setting somewhere...
[00:02] <JontheEchidna> I wonder if the system locale settings differ from the KDE-set ones or even the non-KDE-user set ones?
[00:02] <amichair> JontheEchidna: no clue :-)
[00:02] <JontheEchidna> just speculating here :)
[00:03] <amichair> btw, in both sp and jockey there were a bunch of bugs that are trivial to reproduce, or even stumble upon, in foreign locales
[00:03] <amichair> I'm guessing no dev or core team member uses any such locale :-/
[00:04] <JontheEchidna> unfortunately locale testing has been abysmal pretty much all of kubuntu's life
[00:05] <amichair> say, do any of the ppl that r here fulltime get paid for it?
[00:05] <dtchen_> for being on irc fulltime? I doubt it ;-)
[00:06] <amichair> lol
[00:06] <amichair> now that would be a killer job!
[00:06] <JontheEchidna> Riddell and agateau are the two full-time employees of Canonical, everyone else is doing it on their own time
[00:07] <amichair> I'm tired of corporate world, quit it. but I need to make a living if I wanna keep contributing to foss projects... wish I could find some way
[00:07] <JontheEchidna> I hear agateau is busy with a new baby lately, though
[00:08] <amichair> :-)
[00:08] <JontheEchidna> btw, do we get a popup message for jockey these days?
[00:08] <amichair> dunno
[00:09] <JontheEchidna> my proprietary hardware have given up the ghost for me, so I cannot test these days
[00:09] <amichair> I tested in a vbox, so nothing to be auto-detected there
[00:09] <JontheEchidna> in theory we should, though
[00:09] <amichair> "given up the ghost"? not familiar with that one
[00:09] <nixternal> time to finally Reformat and Reinstall Kubuntu on this laptop...after upgrading to Karmic, the speed is horribly slow and a lot of stuff seems to have broken since then....wow, I went 3 years dist-upgrading this machine
[00:10] <amichair> nixternal: just in time for the LTS :-)
[00:10] <nixternal> heh, I am sure within the next couple of weeks I will upgrade to Lucid anyways
[00:11] <amichair> JontheEchidna: can u remind me what other apps are self-developed other than sp, jockey and (I think) the usb creator?
[00:13] <JontheEchidna> printer-applet-kde, and system-config-printer-kde (these are in KDE itself but we maintain them)
[00:13] <JontheEchidna> you could also help with kubuntu-notification-helper if you're in the mood for C++ hacking
[00:13] <amichair> ryanakca: I just noticed the ubuntu homepage has a nice animated gif screenshot thing... I think it would be great to have one for the new kubuntu.org site (pass on to ofir por favor?)
[00:14] <JontheEchidna> at the moment we also have gdebi-kde and install-package, but we're looking to discontinue those and replace them with kpackagekit
[00:14] <amichair> what are the last two?
[00:14] <ryanakca> amichair: *nod*.... we have a screenshot slideshow module pending review. Will pass on the animated gif though :)
[00:15] <JontheEchidna> amichair: gdebi-kde and install-package? gdebi-kde is a .deb installer and install-package is a batch installer that uses gdebi-kde
[00:16] <amichair> and is kpackagekit a kde maintained app? is that why we like it?
[00:17] <JontheEchidna> not official KDE, but it does have maintainers that are not us :P
[00:17] <JontheEchidna> hopefully once it matures a bit it'll become official KDE
[00:20] <amichair> why was adept replaced? it behaves just about the same...
[00:21] <Riddell> it was unmaintainable
[00:21] <amichair> as in the code sucked?
[00:22] <nixternal> lol
[00:22] <Riddell> it was special
[00:22] <Riddell> and we could always do with one less app to maintain
[00:23]  * amichair repeats to himself: think before talking, think before talking...
[00:23] <nixternal> then get rid of pkgkit :p  we always have aptitude/apt-get installed by default :p
[00:23] <nixternal> silly disk encryption in karmic
[00:24] <amichair> so there are basically 3 packages self-deved... that's good, I guess. if one or two more devs wanna join me on a fixing spree, we can get them all rock solid and beautiful!
[00:25] <ryanakca> Might as well get rid of KDE too, you can telnet to SMTP servers to send mail and to webservers to fetch websites (render the HTML in your mind), use ed to edit files, etc. :D
[00:26] <nixternal> ryanakca: good point
[00:26]  * nixternal downloads the ubuntu minimal cd
[00:26] <ryanakca> nixternal: CD? Bah, get a floppy distro :P
[00:26] <nixternal> net install!
[00:26] <ryanakca> tomsrsbt and blueflops were good :)
[00:26] <ryanakca> or was it tomrsbt? I forget.
[00:29] <nixternal> slackware 1.0 was the best
[00:30] <amichair> is it just me, or did the fonts get tiny on the upgrade to karmic?
[00:31] <nixternal> I just noticed that as well amichair on a new install...I like it!
[00:31] <nixternal> finally, I don't have to modify them anymore after a fresh install :)
[00:32] <amichair> I just put them back up to 9px... too small for comfort.
[00:33] <amichair> hmmm... for some reason software-properties is the only one which remained small :-/
[00:40] <amichair> JontheEchidna: you made the other fixed jockey bug disappear
[00:41] <JontheEchidna> which one?
[00:41] <JontheEchidna> oh, the one with the backtrace?
[00:41] <amichair> bug #400637
[00:43] <JontheEchidna> btw, I do have plans now to remove the tray icon entirely and rely soley on the KNotification, after I get it working
[00:43] <ScottK> I distinctly remember downloading 48 MB of screensavers when -workspace was updated.  Where did they go?
[00:43] <JontheEchidna> the KNotification is created now, but never told to show. If I can fix that then add some action buttons to do what the tray icon does now we're golden
[00:45] <amichair> u mean the KStatusNotifierItem?
[00:46] <amichair> JontheEchidna: oh, that's the common popup thingy?
[00:46] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[00:47] <amichair> JontheEchidna: how does that work with a long-term reminder such as this? can it show an icon too? or it'll popup once a day?
[00:48] <JontheEchidna> we set it to persistent so that it won't go away until dealt with
[00:48] <amichair> how does that show up?
[00:48] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: This is on the notifier?
[00:48] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: no, jockey-kde
[00:48] <ScottK> Ah
[00:48] <ScottK> OK.
[00:48] <JontheEchidna> basically you get the popup with the button to launch jockey in it
[00:49] <JontheEchidna> then after 5 seconds it will minimize to the "i" icon
[00:49] <JontheEchidna> but not go away until dealt with
[00:49] <ScottK> Unfortunately it will then maximize every time some other notification pops up
[00:49] <ScottK> (this is something I'd like to see change)
[00:50] <amichair> maybe persistent or second-time notifications should show just the title or something (expandable)
[00:50] <ScottK> Honestly they should not show at all.
[00:51] <ScottK> They've been shown and because of the number in the (i) it's known they are there
[00:51] <ScottK> Having them pop up again at all is just annoying
[00:51] <amichair> so they show only when u click on the i urself? that sounds good.
[00:52] <ScottK> That's my thought.
[00:52] <amichair> although the number should be changed, not sure how. don't have one right now, but iirc it's small and dark and blends in with the noise, not as eye-catching as a notification should be
[00:53] <amichair> maybe a yellow shining ball number or something instead
[00:56] <amichair> JontheEchidna: I see the knotification line is there, what's needed to make it work?
[00:56]  * JontheEchidna is working on a patch for that
[00:57] <JontheEchidna> basically it gets constructed but never shown
[00:57] <amichair> cool
[00:58] <amichair> I like this new notification system. it makes sense, is simple and convenient.
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> it's been there since KDE3 days, just not with integrated plasma awesomeness
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> it used to be a bare, uncentered gray popup at the top of the screen
[00:59] <amichair> I hate in windows when every app u have pops up its own icon for updates (as well as its own update process)...
[01:00] <amichair> well I don't know what it was, but I do like what I'm looking at now :-)
[01:00] <amichair> well, I'm off to bed. gotta quit going to sleep at 5am...
[01:01] <amichair> although for fixing kubuntu bugs, it was worth it ;-)
[01:04] <JontheEchidna> :)
[01:04] <amichair> I think we covered most annoying/longstanding bugs this week. Thanks everyone for your assistance :-)
[01:06] <Riddell> night amichair
[01:06] <Riddell> welcome back Lex79, oh king of the merges
[01:06] <Lex79> hi Riddell :)
[01:06] <amichair> Riddell: :-)
[01:09] <Lex79> finally we don't care about phonon include \o/
[01:12] <Riddell> well, qt 4.6 could well have more sillyness with phonon headers and other phonon bits
[01:12] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: problems with kdebase-runtime which depens on new oxygen icons package? have done something wrong ?
[01:13] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: nope, the new oxygen-icons is just stuck in binary new
[01:13] <Lex79> ah ok
[01:14] <Riddell> not any more :)
[01:29] <DaskreeCh> ryanakca: Why pass on the Anigif ?
[01:30] <ryanakca> DaskreeCh, amichair: No, I will pass the anigif idea on.
[01:31] <DaskreeCh> ScottK: I have 45 MB of wallpapers
[02:00] <ScottK> Ah, wallpapers, not screensavers.
[02:04] <DaskreeCh> KDE Screensavers are in a really bad shape
[02:05] <DaskreeCh> ScottK: konqueror is covered by kdebase-dbg ?
[02:06] <ScottK> I think so.
[02:09] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Did you see https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-lucid-distiguishing-updates-that-require-restart and will you be able to participate remotely (perhaps)?
[02:10] <JontheEchidna> holy crap, I screwed up my knotifications
[02:11] <JontheEchidna> depends on what time it's discussed I suppose
[02:11] <JontheEchidna> I don't think it effects update-notifier-kde or kubuntu-notification-helper, as they just notify when their told to. (K)PackageKit is what would need modifying to support that
[02:12] <JontheEchidna> meaning, it probably won't support that, given its track record
[02:15] <ScottK> OK.
[02:16] <ScottK> Maybe I'll just seed the software center for netbook.
[02:16]  * ScottK will have to look into that
[02:16]  * JontheEchidna tries to figure out why self.mw.notify.setActions("Manage Drivers") gives each character of that string its own button in the KNotification
[02:17] <JontheEchidna> maybe if I wrap that in a qstring...
[02:18] <JontheEchidna> oh, pyqt doesn't use qstrings apparently
[02:34] <DaskreeCh> :-( I have kdebase-dbg installed and DrKonqui insists I'm worthless :(
[02:35]  * DaskreeCh sobs kwietly in the korner
[02:35] <nixternal> dr konqi does not lie ;p
[02:35] <DaskreeCh> Ok Lets see if it's just my crappy PC
[02:36] <JontheEchidna> http://imagebin.ca/view/EwZ_sAzL.html
[02:36] <DaskreeCh> When you get a Save File dialog does it ever sometimes pause as it's evaluating files so that things like directories are not able to be clicked?
[02:36] <DaskreeCh> JontheEchidna: I approve!
[02:37] <JontheEchidna> Should change the button to "despair all ye who enter here"
[02:38] <JontheEchidna> that was more of a manual test since I have no prop. hardware to test
[02:40] <DaskreeCh> JontheEchidna: put that as jockey-kde --truth
[03:30] <seele> ScottK: are they going to have a voip bridge or just listen+irc?
[03:30] <ScottK> seele: No idea.  Even when they have the voip thing it never seems to work very well.
[03:30] <ScottK> I see they have pre-defined IRC channels per room, so that should help.
[03:31] <dtchen_> there isn't enough bw, and the shaping tends to be arse
[03:31] <seele> do you have a crackberry with a decent speaker phone? i could call you
[03:31] <seele> or someone else there with a US calling plan
[03:31] <ScottK> My palm Treo doesn't do too badly.
[03:31] <seele> ah you have a treo
[03:32] <seele> i knew you didnt have an iphone so i just assumed blackberry
[03:32] <ScottK> Last person on the planet with one, apparently.
[03:32] <seele> i'd say, hehe
[03:32] <dtchen_> nope, I know quite a few people here with treos
[03:32] <dtchen_> they're ridiculed gently by their respective IT depts, but eh, attorneys. shrug.
[04:05] <bbigras> it seems kopete-facebook don't work anymore (protocol change I think), it's fixed in someone git repo. I also fixed a small bug in mine. How does it works to update the package?
[04:12] <dtchen_> bbigras: the formalized structure is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/CodeReviews
[04:13] <bbigras> dtchen_: thanks!
[04:13] <dtchen_> bbigras: less formally, if you have a bug report filed using Launchpad, someone here or in #ubuntu-motu could take a look
[04:15] <bbigras> dtchen_: ok thanks
[05:03] <bbigras> dtchen_: It looks like the bugs are already filled by others
[05:08] <bbigras> dtchen_: The modif I have fix 428017, 428022 and 476360
[05:08] <dtchen_> bbigras: yes, but you can triage them [the bugs], attach your debdiff, and ...
[05:08] <bbigras> dtchen_: on diff per bug?
[05:08] <bbigras> one*
[05:09] <dtchen_> bbigras: no, if they're the same bug, then mark the latter two as dupes of the first
[05:09] <bbigras> yes I already marked 3 bugs as the same. but I do one diff for each specific bug?
[05:10] <dtchen_> bbigras: if they're separate (distinct) bugs, then yes, one debdiff per bug
[05:10] <bbigras> dtchen_: ok thanks
[05:33] <DaskreeCh> Hmm Kopete Krunner is quite slow
[05:39] <bbigras> I attached debdiffs for bug 476360 and bug 428017 , if anyone is interested
[05:42] <bbigras> and it could be nice if someone change the importance of "Never able to connect to facebook" since this bug makes the plugin useless
[05:43] <bbigras> if someone could change*
[07:22] <ScottK> nixternal: Speaking of stuff you promised, but didn't do, I did https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDevelopers while you were gone.  Tech board is reviewing now.
[07:23] <nixternal> ya, thanks for that one :)  I didn't do quite a few things that I said I would do before I left...felt shitty about it until I got into PA in the mountains on the bike :p
[07:29] <ScottK> vorian: You're still marked essential on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-lucid-motu - please change that.
[07:44] <Lure_> Riddell: is anybody working on pkg-kde-tools merge for karmic? I think we should get this early in lucid to reduce the delta to debian in other packages
[07:45]  * Lure_ has packages which need completely new rules files due to diff
[07:46] <Lure_> Riddell: but get digikam/kipi-plugins in before, as it is easier for backports ;-)
[07:47]  * Lure_ likes the bright side of  it ;-)
[08:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: re set_country.diff .. upstreamable to debian, probably needs changes for KDE, though AFAIK not even upstreams reference implementation of kdm.init does include locale stuff, so I doubt it would get accepted
[08:27] <apachelogger> DaskreeCh: weeeh :D
[08:28] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: are you suggesting that I am talking to myself at times? :P
[08:29]  * apachelogger really cant do anything about people not wanting to join apachelogger's brainstorming :P
[08:47] <Lure> maco: congrats on getting MOTU emblem! ;-)
[08:49] <maco> Lure: thanks :)
[10:10] <Riddell> Lure: digikam and k-p uploaded
[10:21] <amichair> JontheEchidna: maybe u can close bug 381100 while you're at it?
[10:57] <Riddell> bbigras: testing your changes now
[11:13] <Riddell> NCommander: kde4libs arm breakage if you're bored if your morning sudoku
[11:17] <Riddell> tseliot: you're on facebook?
[11:17] <tseliot> Riddell: yep
[11:17] <Riddell> tseliot: can you see my chat ping?
[11:17] <tseliot> Riddell: yes, I can
[11:18] <Riddell> bbigras: rock, kopete facebook working
[11:18] <tseliot> \o/
[11:21] <Tm_T> bah
[11:22] <Tm_T> it fails here, and crashes Kopete on exit
[11:25] <glatzor> Hello Riddell, I uploaded packagekit and kpackagekit 0.5 to the ppa
[11:25] <Riddell> which is why bbigras kindly did that fix for us
[11:25] <Riddell> Tm_T: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/kopete-facebook_0.1.4-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[11:25] <jussi01> amichair: around?
[11:26] <Tm_T> Riddell: hmm, is fixes pushed upstream?
[11:26] <glatzor> Riddell, the apt backend received a lot of love and polishing in the last days
[11:26] <glatzor> Riddell, but the patches would still need to be adapted for kpackagekit
[11:26] <Riddell> bbigras: I redid your patches as quilt patches within the debian directory which any package will need (take a look on the bug if you're interested in packaging), I've uploaded to lucid and to karmic-proposed which will need a check from motu sru to approve
[11:26] <jussi01> amichair: I can test whatever you need for bug 357134...
[11:26] <Riddell> Tm_T: I believe it comes from upstream
[11:27] <Riddell> glatzor: what patches for kpackagekit?
[11:29] <Tm_T> Riddell: strange, I'm using upstream, thats trunk kopete and facebook plugin from git
[11:29] <Riddell> "Based on a git commit by Alexandru Scvortov (http://github.com/brunoqc/kopete-facebook/commit/275a502156927eec92b01c18bb00873af798fa56)"
[11:29] <glatzor> Riddell, software-properties-kde integration mainly
[11:30] <Tm_T> Riddell: hmmm, I'll look more closely on it, thanks
[11:30] <Riddell> glatzor: are you going to UDS?
[11:30] <glatzor> Riddell, yes.
[11:31] <glatzor> Riddell, I haven't yet found much time for prepartions, but I will be there :)
[11:31] <Riddell> mm, I should pack sometime too
[11:31] <Riddell> maybe find a way to get to the airport
[11:31] <jussi01> yeah, me too...
[11:31]  * jussi01 is leaving sunday morning...
[11:32] <glatzor> Riddell, see you! at least in dallas!
[11:39] <Riddell> glatzor: so these patches, you made some to packagekit and now they need adapted to kpackagekit?
[11:45] <amichair> jussi01: heya
[11:51] <amichair> jussi01: apply this patch, and see if it's better: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~amichai2/jockey/fixes/revision/583
[11:55] <amichair> Riddell, JontheEchidna, apachelogger: first one to review and merge the software-properties-kde fixes branch gets three cookies. Three!!! This is an opportunity you *really* don't want to miss! (this competition is open to everyone else as well!)
[11:55] <jussi01> amichair: could you roll it up into a ppa package somewhere?
[11:56] <amichair> jussi01: dunno, can I? how would I go about doing that?
[11:59] <amichair> jussi01: btw a simple way to verify it's the same bug - just click on the driver every time before you click on activate (even if it seems to be selected)
[11:59] <ghostcube> hi
[12:24] <sebas> which package do I need for amarok to play mp3 in karmic?
[12:24] <sebas> apparently it broke after upgrading
[12:25] <nixternal> sebas: libmp3lame0 I believe
[12:26] <sebas> nixternal: already installed
[12:26] <nixternal> hrmm
[12:27] <nixternal> mp32ogg :p
[12:27] <nixternal> mp3 is evil :D
[12:28] <sebas> Right. :(
[12:29] <sebas> It's 2009, and I'm continuously having audio problems
[12:29] <sebas> there's hardly been a single day where my audio just works
[12:29]  * sebas finds that sad
[12:32] <Mamarok> sebas: there are a few people you could kill for us, maybe start with Pöttering ;)
[12:32] <nixternal> for once I have been audio-issue-free
[12:33] <Mamarok> sebas: and that's the reason we need a Multimedia spring for KDE, see my mail
[12:33] <sebas> yeah :/
[12:34]  * a|wen-dtu has been audio-issue-free since upgrading to karmic and installing pulseaudio (seems like it has matured a lot; or i've just been lucky)
[12:34] <Mamarok> the latter, believe me, markey tried and had stuttering sound galore
[12:35] <sebas> tried using flash and anything else at the same time, with a hda_intel?
[12:35] <a|wen-dtu> Mamarok: also on karmic ... cause in jaunty it simply didn't work
[12:35] <sebas> it got as good as "sometimes just restarting firefox and killing everything else helps"
[12:35] <ScottK> a|wen-dtu: My kids desktop has been trouble free on sound since upgrading to Karmic and removing pulseaudio.
[12:35] <Mamarok> what bothers me most is that it can't just be disabled and let people fall back to their sound card defaults, it really screws the sound big time, rewritening alsa configs, etc.
[12:36] <Mamarok> that's just not acceptable
[12:36] <a|wen-dtu> sebas: sure; amarok + youtube + another folash movie playing at the same time ... on an hda_intel
[12:36] <Mamarok> a|wen-dtu: that works for me with the defautl phonon settings, no need for pulseaudio to do that
[12:36] <Mamarok> default*
[12:37] <Mamarok> I have Amarok playing + Youtube video without problems here, phono + xine backend
[12:37] <Mamarok> even if the sound mix is horrible and I don't see why I would want to do that, but it works
[12:38] <sebas> a|wen-dtu: guess you're more lucky than I am then
[12:38] <sebas> I don't have any kind of sound on my development notebook for _months_
[12:39] <sebas> I did fix my amarok now though, the multimedia partition's mount got lost apparently
[12:39] <sebas> there's some ext4 funkiness in my dmesg, maybe that's why the mount got lost
[12:40] <sebas> thanks though, and sorry for the noise
[12:40] <a|wen-dtu> Mamarok: for me i couldn't make two things play at the same time before installing pulseaudio after upgrading to karmic ... at least i was lucky enough to find one combination which worked
[12:53]  * ghostcube is audio issue free cause he uses jackd libxine with jack support from ppa
[12:53] <ghostcube> :)
[12:54] <ghostcube> i run vlc mplayer youtube all with jackd :D
[12:54] <ghostcube> at one time no probs
[12:54] <ghostcube> -_-
[13:49]  * seele wants to know what's so usable about having to use your mouse to read text
[13:49] <seele> if the text isnt that useful then it should be in a tooltip, not subtext description
[13:49] <Tm_T> seele: what where?
[13:50] <seele> nevermind that mouseover actions are nearly impossible on touch interfaces
[13:50] <seele> Tm_T: comments about one of the kubuntu patches
[13:50] <Tm_T> ah
[13:50] <Tm_T> seele: btw I constantly find issues with white text in white background, that's something I hate
[13:51] <bbigras> Riddell: thanks
[13:51] <seele> Tm_T: yeah, usually reading white text on white background is pretty difficult :P
[13:55] <bbigras> Tm_T: I'm don't know if the guy who made the kopete-facebook "protocol change" commit is part of a team. I'll check with the plugin guy if he can import the change. About the offline bug fix, it was by me and I made a pull request on github, it was to fix https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=213389
[14:02] <Riddell> seele: which patch is that?
[14:14] <bbigras> Riddell: you saw that the package failed to build for lucid?
[14:16] <MidMark> hello
[14:16] <MidMark> I was trying to find Debian package for QT source code
[14:16] <MidMark> I have checked here: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-kde/trunk/packages/qt4-x11
[14:16] <MidMark> but I do not see anything
[14:17] <Riddell> bbigras: yes missing pkg-config, I'll upload a fix
[14:17] <bbigras> Riddell: ok, thanks :)
[14:18] <Riddell> MidMark: "Repository has been moved to Git"
[14:18] <MidMark> oh
[14:18] <MidMark> do you have a link pls?
[14:18] <Riddell> Vcs-Git: git://git.debian.org/pkg-kde/qt4-x11.git
[14:18] <Riddell> Vcs-Browser: http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-kde/qt4-x11.git;a=summary
[14:20] <MidMark> where is it possible to download the debian package and not single files?
[14:28] <seele> Riddell: kubuntu_19_always_show_kickoff_subtext.diff
[14:32] <falktx> hi there!
[14:33] <falktx> how's the "Timelord Project" going?
[14:33] <falktx> i noticed that there's no "timelord team" in launchpad
[14:34] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/LucidPatchReview is filling up
[14:34] <falktx> shouldn't we create one first?
[14:34] <Riddell> ~kubuntu-members
[14:34] <falktx> aah
[14:34] <falktx> ok
[14:35] <falktx> i've just requested to join the team
[14:35] <Riddell> kubuntu membership needs contribution first
[14:36] <falktx> I know the fix for the sudo qtcurve/KDE theming prob
[14:36] <falktx> I was thinking of patching kubuntu-default-settings package
[14:37] <falktx> then upload it to the members' PPA
[14:37] <Riddell> ooh?  what's the problem?
[14:38] <falktx> when you start a gtk app
[14:38] <falktx> in a KDE session
[14:38] <falktx> the theme used in the app will be ...
[14:38] <falktx> a very crappy one
[14:39] <falktx> my idea was adding a postinst rule
[14:39] <falktx> that will create the file
[14:39] <falktx> "root/.gtk-rc2.0"
[14:39] <falktx> that will just fix the prob
[14:39] <falktx> when uninstalling, that file could be removed
[14:40] <falktx> it doesn't hurt gnome sessions
[14:40] <JontheEchidna> what about when you change the theme though?
[14:40] <falktx> the kcm_gtk stuff doesn't apply to the root user
[14:41] <falktx> using gnome-control-center -> appearance
[14:41] <falktx> is the, only, other workaround
[14:41] <falktx> but that pushes a lot of gtk/gnome packages
[14:42] <Quintasan> hmm, I pretty sure my ATA to USB adapter was working in Karmic, now it's unable to enumerate USB device on port 2 :/
[14:42] <Riddell> I'm pretty sure it's against policy to install stuff in /root
[14:42] <Riddell> for the user we add the file on KDE startup
[14:42] <Riddell> possibly it could be added on kdesudo startup in a similar way
[14:43] <falktx> but not sure how to do that
[14:43] <JontheEchidna> Making kdesudo apply the user's theme would be the proper way to do this
[14:43] <falktx> I agree
[14:43] <falktx> but that's no easy task (at least for me)
[14:44] <JontheEchidna> symlinking the .gtk-rc2.0 files won't work for more than one user, and copying a gtkrc to /root/ on install won't work after the user changes his GTK theme settings
[14:44] <falktx> yep
[14:45] <falktx> the root would always have qtcurve theme
[14:45] <falktx> (but only for KDE session)
[14:45] <falktx> I know that running "gnome-settings-daemon" after a theme on Gnome has been set
[14:45] <falktx> this also works
[14:45] <Riddell> is GTK2_RC_FILES not used?
[14:45] <Riddell> can't kdesudo just make sure that's set?
[14:46] <falktx> maybe
[14:48] <falktx> what about:
[14:48] <falktx> GTK2_RC_FILES=/usr/share/themes/theme/gtkrc APP
[14:48] <falktx> running that before kdesudo
[14:48] <falktx> that may fix the prob
[14:49] <JontheEchidna> it would probably be trivial to get kdesudo to do that by default
[14:49]  * JontheEchidna wishes Tonio were here
[14:50] <Riddell> I have it set to /etc/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:/home/jr/.gtkrc-2.0:/home/jr/.gtkrc-2.0-kde4:/home/jr/.kde/share/config/gtkrc-2.0
[14:50] <Riddell> if kdesudo kept that it should be fine
[14:50] <falktx> or maybe we could add a button to kcm_gtk ?
[14:51] <falktx> "enable this theme for sudo"
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> a kdesudo fix would be worlds more proper
[14:51] <MidMark> Anyone knows the link for qt's source debian package (.deb) file? Please
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> plus kcm_gtk would need to be launched with kdesudo itself
[14:51] <Riddell> what gtk apps get run as root anyway?
[14:52] <falktx> synaptic
[14:52] <JontheEchidna> ^synaptic
[14:52] <falktx> is the most wanted gtk package for KDE users, i think
[14:52] <Riddell> MidMark: linked from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11
[14:52] <JontheEchidna> whoa, kdebluetooth has never been merged with debian
[14:53] <Riddell> kdebluetooth also has upstream fixes
[14:53] <JontheEchidna> oh, just not in a really long time
[14:53] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I'm doing the RC2 + merge
[14:53] <Riddell> MidMark: also .debs aren't source
[14:54] <falktx> I'll look into kdesudo code
[14:54] <falktx> and see what I can do
[14:55] <ghostcube> yeah synaptic is fine :)
[14:55] <ghostcube> couldnt someone port it to qt ?
[14:55] <Riddell> falktx: things I'd look for are is that environment variable being passed through by kdesudo or not, and is it being used by gtk anyway
[14:55] <ScottK> jussi01: Are you taking requests for increased channel limits for UDS?
[14:55] <MidMark> Riddell: I can't find any qt4-x11 debian package, only .tar.gz :(
[14:56] <ScottK> MidMark: diff.gz is there too
[14:57] <falktx> another question: how was possible that qt4.5.3 didn't compile in time for Karmic?
[14:57] <falktx> in the version i see:
[14:57] <ScottK> We couldn't get it to build.
[14:57] <falktx> 4.5.3-really4.5.2
[14:57] <Riddell> MidMark: a debian source package is made up of .orig.tar.gz (upstream source), .diff.gz (diff containing the packaging) and .dsc (description md5sums).  download all three and use dpkg-source -x foo.dsc to extract
[14:57] <ScottK> The fix came too late so we had to revert
[14:57] <falktx> that's sad
[14:58] <MidMark> ah
[14:58] <MidMark> ok thanks!
[14:58] <falktx> Lucid will have qt4.6.0 for sure, i hope
[14:58] <Riddell> qt 4.5.3 also moved around phonon headers and it's not a good idea to do that late in the cycle
[14:58] <Riddell> lucid already does have 4.6
[14:58] <falktx> nice
[14:58] <falktx> there's not an alpha1 yet or is it?
[14:59] <ghostcube> 4.6 is in experimental ppa or ?
[15:00] <falktx> i saw 4.6 on kubuntu-experimental
[15:00] <falktx> with koffice 2.1 rc1
[15:01] <falktx> i check it, there's not even a Lucid current ISO yet
[15:01] <jussi01> ScottK: um, you need to ask a freenode staffer for +u, but tell them to ask me for a reference if they need one.
[15:01] <jussi01> ScottK: nalioth or pricey are both ubuntu guys, so probably best people to ask
[15:02] <ScottK> jussi01: Sorry.  THought you were one.
[15:02] <jussi01> ScottK: was....
[15:02] <jussi01> :)
[15:02]  * ScottK nods
[15:04] <neversfelde> falktx: koffice is in beta backports
[15:05]  * neversfelde should probably delete the other packages in staging and experimental
[15:06] <amik> how many bug reports are opened per day for kubuntu?
[15:07] <falktx> koffice beta 2 is in backports
[15:07] <falktx> rc1 is in experimental
[15:07] <falktx> at least a few days ago
[15:08] <falktx> (i mean koffice 2.1)
[15:08] <Riddell> amichair: I don't think we count, there's no set of kubuntu packages anyway
[15:09] <amichair> Riddell: I'm just reading the TimeLord doc, and it makes me wonder what we're dealing with here
[15:11] <JontheEchidna> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-bugs/+packagebugs
[15:11] <Quintasan> I give up, anyone know what can stop a HDD connected via an IDE-to-USB adapter to stop working? Kernel says: “[67416.731577] hub 2-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2”
[15:12] <falktx> try another usb port?
[15:12] <falktx> i do work for me sometimes
[15:12] <falktx> *it did*
[15:12] <Quintasan> falktx: tried three out of ten :P
[15:12] <falktx> reboot with the device connected?
[15:13] <Quintasan> not working :/
[15:13] <neversfelde> falktx: no https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta
[15:13]  * JontheEchidna grumbles about soyuz not supporting source format 3.0 yet
[15:13] <neversfelde> 1:2.0.91-1ubuntu1~ppa11
[15:13] <falktx> nice to know it's RC1 already
[15:13] <falktx> was that recently?
[15:14] <falktx> ha
[15:14] <falktx> 22 hours ago
[15:16] <neversfelde> falktx: it is there for about 3 days now, I think :)
[15:17] <neversfelde> ppa11 is a fix
[15:17] <falktx> lol
[15:17] <falktx> i don't have net at home
[15:18] <falktx> i can't check some things regurlarly
[15:20] <amichair> hmmm... 1.6K bug reports doesn't sound like all that much... if 10 ppl here triaged only 5 reports a day, we would be up to date in a month :-)
[15:21] <Quintasan> sure, let me get my KVM machine done :
[15:21] <Quintasan> :P
[15:24] <falktx> has anyone looked over openSUSE's firefox KDE integration?
[15:25] <falktx> I was wondering it their packages could be "alienized"
[15:25] <ScottK> We have a session planned for UDS to look into that.
[15:25] <ScottK> Any work people could do in advance to understand it would be appreciated.
[15:25] <falktx> I'll be waiting for a DEB
[15:26] <bbigras> falktx: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?p=137267#p137267
[15:26] <Riddell> debfx has deb's
[15:26] <falktx> thanks
[15:26] <bbigras> falktx: it seems there'a already a patched version. It don't work for me but it seems to work for the guy on the forum. I didn't had time to investigate further.
[15:26] <falktx> will try that now
[15:27] <falktx> updating...
[15:27] <bbigras> :)
[15:28] <falktx> he has abrowser patched too
[15:28] <neversfelde> Mamarok: I cannot see any notifications via knotify with the new amarok. When are they supposed to appear? On trackchange?
[15:28] <Quintasan> Riddell: oh while you're here, what about the icons in k-d-s and taskjuggler?
[15:29] <Riddell> Quintasan: what icons?
[15:29] <Riddell> taskjuggler I've never used, if it works that's fine if not we can scrap it
[15:29] <amichair> hey! is software-propeties-kde going to be replaced? has all my work been for nothing??
[15:29] <Riddell> amichair: no it's still being used
[15:29] <falktx> the guy also has "firefox-3.5-kde" in his repo
[15:29] <Riddell> amichair: there's something about it being replaced in timelord but that's wrong
[15:29] <falktx> so that may hold the key
[15:30] <amichair> Riddell: that's what I just read
[15:30]  * amichair releases a sigh of relief
[15:31] <falktx> firefox just told me a need a reset
[15:31] <falktx> just waiting for a download to finish and i'll test this baby out
[15:31] <Quintasan> Riddell: it uses kdepimlibs3 for ical functions, yesterday one user popped out it's a KDE 3 applications and ical support is missing
[15:31] <bbigras> falktx: oh I didn't saw firefox-3.5-kde . it works, nice!
[15:32] <falktx> yes
[15:32] <falktx> !!!
[15:32] <falktx> it do works
[15:32] <Quintasan> Riddell: I mean the icons for the directories that are created by default in users home directory
[15:33] <falktx> maybe i should post a screenshot somewhere?
[15:33] <Quintasan> GetDeb.net installation fails in Kubuntu, at least with konq
[15:34] <falktx> no thread on the forums, will create one now
[15:39] <JontheEchidna> amichair: software-properties will stick around for at least 10.04
[15:40] <JontheEchidna> I think my assumptions when writing the initial doc were wrong, Ubuntu plans to keep it around for a while
[15:40] <falktx> done: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8308625
[15:42] <falktx> what about wine-ubuntu integration?
[15:42] <falktx> Will that come in time for Lucid?
[15:42] <amichair> JontheEchidna: usb-creator-kde is not on the kubuntu bugs list
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> I guess nobody added it, I'll subscribe kubuntu-bugs
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> oh wait, I remember why we didn't
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> because then we'd get a whole bunch of gtk bugs on the mailing list
[15:44] <amichair> JontheEchidna: ?
[15:44] <JontheEchidna> rgreening is the chap that maintains usb-creator-kde, so we just trust him to keep an eye on things :)
[15:44] <JontheEchidna> amichair: usb-creator-kde comes from the usb-creator source package which builds usb-creator-gtk and usb-creator-kde
[15:44] <JontheEchidna> the bug system is set up per-source package
[15:44] <JontheEchidna> so all the kde, gtk and core bugs get mixed up
[15:44] <amichair> JontheEchidna: u mean in the same way that jockey-kde has 90% gtk bugs?
[15:45] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[15:46] <JontheEchidna> also, I would merge your current fixes but I don't have the powarz to do so
[15:46] <amichair> they should add a distro attribute to bugs... there are 4 official ubuntu distros after all... 6 including netbooks :-)
[15:46] <seele> Riddell: in the upstream version of kickoff, when you have multiple applications of the same type (e.g. Web browser) the subtext is on by default for "disambiguiation"
[15:46] <JontheEchidna> For both a core-dev would be needed to merge the fixes
[15:47] <JontheEchidna> and I am not a core-dev :(
[15:47] <seele> Riddell: do you remember if the subtext is still on by default if you switch to the application labels?
[15:47]  * amichair gives JontheEchidna a cookie (only one!) for good intentions
[15:47] <Riddell> seele: how do you mean switch to application labels?
[15:47] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: yeah, if there are any issues with usb-creator-kde, feel free to ping me or subscribe me to any bugs :)
[15:48] <seele> Riddell: you can change the kickoff labels from taskbased (default) to application name
[15:48] <seele> for the big text
[15:48] <Riddell> I don't know I'm afraid
[15:48] <amichair> rgreening: I was just wondering why it's not on the kubuntu bugs list... no new issue came up. It rocks :-)
[15:49] <seele> Riddell: the upstream version, for taskbased labels the subtext is on by default for disambiguation of appliactions, and i wanted to know if that feature is disabled when it is appliaction based
[15:49] <seele> Riddell: ah oh well
[15:49] <rgreening> amichair: I'm glad :) I worked a long time with evand (usb-creator author) to ensure it was well done and well integrated
[15:50] <rgreening> there's a piece of my soul locked in it :P
[15:50] <Mamarok> neversfelde: normally, yes
[15:50] <Mamarok> sorry, was afk
[15:50] <amichair> rgreening: it was the first thing I got excited about in karmic :-)
[15:51] <rgreening> ha-ha :P cool
[15:52] <neversfelde> Mamarok: np, all external packages were detected. I'll have another look at it. Thanks.
[16:06] <amichair> JontheEchidna: what other "embarassingly old bugs" are there to quash for the LTS?
[16:07] <JontheEchidna> The loclaization bugs in software-properties are the most prominent ones in my memory
[16:07] <JontheEchidna> do we still have any of those?
[16:08] <jussi01> hrm...
[16:08] <amichair> JontheEchidna: I fixed crashes/corruption occurring in foreign locales, but no i18n/translation issues per-se
[16:08] <jussi01> plasma just died on me...
[16:08] <JontheEchidna> amichair: crashes/corruption were what I was thinking of
[16:09] <jussi01> how do I restart it?
[16:09] <amichair> JontheEchidna: I think I got those covered, but we can go over the list again to make sure
[16:09] <JontheEchidna> cool
[16:10] <jussi01> amichair: fix bluetooth if it isnt fixed yet... ;) :D
[16:10] <JontheEchidna> amichair: btw, for getting your jockey changes merged pitti in #ubuntu-devel is the man to talk to
[16:11] <JontheEchidna> mvo is the go-to man for software-properties
[16:11] <amichair> JontheEchidna: did u finish urs? it renders the second fix unnecessary
[16:11] <amichair> (the tray icon crash)
[16:11] <JontheEchidna> http://imagebin.ca/view/EwZ_sAzL.html
[16:12] <amichair> JontheEchidna: saw that... lol. are translations available yet? :-)
[16:13] <nixternal> hrmm, converting kubuntu-docs to cmake looks to be a bit of work...no idea on how translations would work, i am guessing translation-pack or something
[16:13] <Quintasan> lol
[16:13] <JontheEchidna> that was just a static message I used to test the notification
[16:13] <nixternal> though the current build system works, so maybe just stick with it...just rewrite everything
[16:13] <JontheEchidna> jockey will feed the notification with text in real life
[16:14] <Quintasan> damn I can't copy my files, WTF
[16:14] <dpm> nixternal, hi, actually the current build system for kubuntu-docs doesn't seem to work (bug 459476)
[16:15] <Quintasan> No wonder we KDE stays away from our translations :P
[16:15] <Quintasan> -we
[16:16] <dpm> Quintasan, kubuntu docs translations has nothing to do with upstream
[16:16] <dpm> although translations from everyone are welcome, of course
[16:26] <bdgraue> i have problems with my wlan if i use the kubuntu-ppa packages for karmic. i can ping the router but not the internet.
[16:27] <nixternal> dpm: that is because I wasn't around to build translations...the build works fine, just doesn't include translations
[16:35] <dpm> nixternal, I remember having had a look at the package at the time, and IIRC it didn't include any rules in the Makefile to e.g. create translation templates or to build html pages for all locales. Will you be at UDS? perhaps we could talk about it there
[16:40] <nixternal> dpm: the rules are there, just commented out...they have been the same for about 3+ years now, since switching to topic based help
[16:41] <nixternal> it doesn't look like I will be at UDS physically
[16:41] <nixternal> plus we don't build all the locales since about 80% of them are garbage
[16:41]  * dpm looks at the Makefile again
[16:43] <dpm> nixternal, in which sense are they garbage?
[16:43] <nixternal> a lot of locales haven't been updated for one
[16:44] <jjesse> nixternal not ignoring your email just haven't had a chance to respond
[16:44] <nixternal> sure :p
[16:44] <nixternal> let me just say this: Topic based help the way everyone is doing it sucks ass....topic based help is exactly the "What's this" fixes with KDE 4
[16:45] <dpm> nixternal, what do you mean not updated?
[16:45]  * dpm is just trying to find out ways to help kubuntu-docs being translated
[16:45] <nixternal> I thought KHC was bad, I played with Yelp trying to get a grasp on the project mallard stuff, and it sucks just as bad...very annoying this doc stuff at times
[16:45] <nixternal> dpm: nobody cares about translating kubuntu-docs
[16:45] <bdgraue> maybe there is a problem with plasma-widget-networkmanagement in the karmic kubuntu-ppa, have problems with wlan since i upgraded to kde 4.3.3
[16:46] <bdgraue> where do i have to go with such problem?
[16:46] <nixternal> there are some languages that update decently, then there is a greater majority that don't
[16:46] <dpm> nixternal, but that doesn't mean that locales are garbage
[16:46] <dpm> the Hungarian team worked quite hard to finisht the translation this cycle
[16:47] <dpm> for example
[16:47] <dpm> ubuntu-docs are also not finished in many languages
[16:47] <nixternal> sure it does...it means I have to waste a full day weeding through the bad locales in order to even attempt at building them...then I need to go through and fix all of the errors that the translators incorporate by translating xml tags...how they do that is beyond me
[16:47] <nixternal> nobody is translating docs..it is something the entire doc team is aware of
[16:48] <nixternal> if only we had the interest that we had in dapper...when translations were damn near perfect for almost every language
[16:51] <dpm> nixternal, I'm just trying to see how we can move this forward. There are translators who'd be willing to help in the technical bits, so asking for help at ubuntu-translators@ would be a starting point. mdke does that for ubuntu-docs. adiroiban, generates html versions of the docs and reports with those with errors for the translation teams to fix, and it works quite well for Ubuntu
[16:51] <nixternal> I used to do the same...the reason I didn't for karmic is I was gone for an entire month...it is quicker for me to fix the mistakes in translations than waiting weeks for them to get fixed elsewhere
[16:52] <nixternal> I am also not 100% happy with the success rate of rosetta...I put a doc in KDE, brand new, in damn near 2 weeks it is translated in 60+ languages 100%
[16:52] <nixternal> but before I will harp any further on translations, the english version needs fixing big time
[16:53] <nixternal> our docs suck, and that is because there is only 2 people working on them, who have had 0 time over the past year or so to even work on them
[16:53] <nixternal> seems docbook is a blocker for new contributors
[16:55] <jjesse> docbook isn't that hard
[16:56] <nixternal> seeing as I learned docbook well enough to write entire documents in about an hours time about 15 years ago (Linux Documentation Project) proves it isn't hard to do
[16:56] <nixternal> hell, I learned docbook before I could even create a silly web page back then :)
[16:57] <dpm> nixternal, let's leave LP out of the discussion for now. On the aspect of translations, there are people in the translations community who are willing to help and I'm trying to see how they could contribute
[16:59] <jjesse> dpm i think what nixternal and i are trying to get across is the docs suck ass not the translations themselves
[16:59]  * dpm gets the message now :)
[17:01] <jjesse> so in lucid we need to get teh docs figured out quickly and then translations can happen
[17:10] <dpm> anyway, I have to go. jjesse, nixternal, thanks for the update on the kubuntu-docs situation
[17:10] <nixternal> hrmm...i don't get it...this topic based help...it still all goes together like a damn book :/
[17:11] <nixternal> dpm: np, and of course you are always welcome to hack on docs :)
[17:11] <nixternal> I am so glad I ended up pulling an all-nighter...damn sore throat!
[17:11] <dpm> nixternal, sure, I'll have a go. Expect me to be flooding you with questions soon :)
[17:12]  * nixternal points all questions to jjesse :p
[17:12] <nixternal> seeing as he has been doing the docs longer than I have, it suits him :)
[17:12] <dpm> :)
[17:14] <jjesse> what damn book
[17:14] <jjesse> the one i helped write?
[17:16] <nixternal> no, we switched from <!DOCTYPE book> to <!DOCTYPE article>, but they all still come together...nothing more than a fragmented book in docbook
[17:16] <nixternal> i love the idea of topic based, it is just that we aren't even close to being topic based
[17:16] <nixternal> we have network, office, musicvideophotoes
[17:17] <nixternal> topic based would be 'Connecting network via PPPOE', 'Speadsheets', or 'Removing red eye from your pictures'
[17:19] <nixternal> i looked over project mallard, and it is similar...you create a bunch of chunks/topics, and then link them all in an index...and lets not forget how tedious the markup seems to be right now for it
[19:21] <Mamarok> maco: congratulations :)
[19:30] <jjesse> what are we congrat maco on?
[19:31] <JontheEchidna> oh, maco is MOTU now. Congrats. :)
[19:31] <maco> thanks :)
[19:33] <jjesse> maco i owe you a bunch of emails this weekend :)
[19:33] <jjesse> i promise
[19:33] <maco> hahaha
[19:33]  * maco will be on airplane to UDS. airplane lack email!
[19:33] <jjesse> well then they will arive when you get interwebs back up
[19:37] <Quintasan> maco: gratz :D
[19:53] <vorian> ScottK: done
[19:53] <ScottK> vorian: Thanks.  Are you still Freenode staff?
[19:56] <vorian> ScottK: yepper
[19:57] <ScottK> vorian: Would you please bump my channel limit to 30 for while I'm at UDS?
[19:57] <ScottK> Probably the others too.
[19:57] <vorian> ScottK: just have them ask me
[19:57] <jjesse> what does the channel limit do?
[19:57] <ScottK> vorian: OK.  How about 35 in any case as there are 14 UDS specific IRC channels (at least)
[19:58] <ScottK> jjesse: Normally you can on ly be on 20 channels on Freenode.
[19:58] <vorian> ScottK: you have up to 120 channels you can join now
[19:58] <ScottK> vorian: That should do.  THanks.
[19:58] <vorian> no problemo
[19:59] <jjesse> oh didn't know that
[19:59] <vorian> i
[19:59] <vorian> it's umode +u
[20:01] <ScottK> rgreening, txwikinger, Riddell, shtylman_, maco, jussi01 (You no doubt have this covered already) ^^^ You all might want to get bumped up for UDS if you haven't already.
[20:02] <vorian> yeah, just send me a pm to request one
[20:02] <jussi01> ScottK: ?
[20:02] <vorian> i think most already do
[20:02] <vorian> like jussi01 (since he's staff)
[20:02] <jussi01> oh +u
[20:02] <ScottK> jussi01: I'm guessing you already uave +u
[20:02] <ScottK> Yeah
[20:02] <jussi01> vorian: no no, not staff anymore...
[20:02] <ScottK> I was just trying to be complete.
[20:02] <jussi01> ScottK: :)
[20:02] <vorian> ah
[20:03] <vorian> sorry to hear that
[20:03] <rgreening> bumped up ScottK?
[20:03]  * jussi01 has had +u for long time.
[20:03] <rgreening> oh # channels...
[20:03] <ScottK> rgreening: Yesss.
[20:03] <vorian> rgreening: all set
[20:03] <rgreening> whee
[20:03] <rgreening> vorian: hows vorian these days
[20:04] <vorian> rgreening: very busy settling in
[20:04] <vorian> i should be full swing here in a week or so
[20:04]  * vorian can't wait
[20:04] <rgreening> cool
[20:04] <vorian> plus, our CIO said I could run my own box in my office - so that should help too :P
[20:05] <jjesse> yay
[20:05] <vorian> i was shocked
[20:05] <rgreening> yay
[20:05] <rgreening> haha
[20:05] <vorian> they have a deal with dell, so we have crappy workstations with xp
[20:06] <rgreening> dell+xp better than anything else + Visa/7
[20:06] <rgreening> :)
[20:07] <vorian> true
[20:07] <jjesse> 7 is a lot better
[20:07] <rgreening> my mini10v rox here
[20:07] <jjesse> i actually find myself missing stuff in 7 when i'm running kubuntu
[20:07] <vorian> but i'll get to bring my newegg built machine, wrt kubuntu
[20:07] <vorian> jjesse: just use vbox!
[20:08]  * vorian has to leave
[20:08] <jjesse> vbox for kbuntu?
[20:08] <jjesse> or windows 7
[20:08] <jjesse> the UI improvements in 7 are great
[20:08] <vorian> if anyone else needs extendchans, pm me  (scottk)
[20:08] <vorian> vbox for win 7
[20:08] <ScottK> vorian: Thanks.
[20:08] <jjesse> do i get full aero interface?
[20:08] <vorian> vbox 3.0.1 supports 3d accel
[20:09] <vorian> yeah, just use seamless mode
[20:09] <jjesse> coo
[20:09] <ScottK> vorian: Some of the remote participants like seele, JontheEchidna, and apachelogger may want it too.
[20:09] <jjesse> going to have look at it htne
[20:09] <vorian> vbox can do a bunck of crap
[20:09] <jjesse> vbox.com?
[20:09] <vorian> ScottK: ok, i'll check with them
[20:09] <vorian> jjesse: virtualbox.com
[20:09] <rgreening> virtualbox.org
[20:09] <rgreening> :)
[20:09] <jjesse> cool will have to look into it then, i 'm a heavy user of vmware
[20:09] <vorian> (do not use the ubuntu what's in the ubuntu repos)
[20:09] <ScottK> vorian: I think I just did.
[20:10] <vorian> ha!
[20:10] <vorian> true enough
[20:10] <vorian> i'
[20:10] <ScottK> vorian: What can we do to fix it so we do want to use the one in Ubuntu's repos?
[20:10] <vorian> the one in the repos is virtual box open source addition
[20:11]  * amichair uses virtualbox-ose from the repos and is very pleased, no issues at all
[20:11] <ScottK> So it's more limited?
[20:11] <vorian> yeah, quite
[20:11] <vorian> and it'
[20:11] <vorian> s
[20:11] <vorian> a pain to upgrade kernels sometimes
[20:12] <vorian> I think it's the licence that keeps the full version from the repos
[20:12] <vorian> i'll look into it, it may qualify for multiverse
[20:12]  * vorian must go to work now
[20:14] <amichair> iirc the difference is no access to usb, and maybe one other thing. but everything fully functional.
[20:16] <Sput> isn't it just direct USB support that's missing from the OSE edition?
[20:16] <Sput> yep, amichair
[20:17] <Sput> I actually prefer the OSE edition
[20:18] <Sput> also, I just lost the game
[20:22] <Quintasan> damn
[20:22] <Quintasan> damn you Sput
[20:22] <Quintasan> :S
[20:22] <Quintasan> I just remebered it and I also lost
[20:23] <Sput> happens :/
[20:24] <ScottK> My teenage children are beside themselves that I even know what this is, because it isn't a thing for old people.
[20:24] <ScottK> ;-)
[20:25] <Quintasan> oh man, ScottK, you're not so old :P
[20:25] <amichair> what game? am I that old?
[20:25] <ScottK> Quintasan: Not old, old, but particularly in *buntu terms I'm pretty ancient.
[20:26] <ScottK> For a while I was the oldest MOTU, but now I think I'm #3.
[20:26] <Quintasan> amichair: http://encyclopediadramatica.com/The_game
[20:31] <amichair> interesting - sounds exactly like meditation
[20:40] <Quintasan> hnrgh
[20:40] <Quintasan> wth, it was working before on a clean install
[20:43] <amichair> whelp, no bugs to fix today. I'll just grab a few blitzes on fics...
[20:54] <ghostcube> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/466935
[20:54] <ghostcube> anyone an idea about this
[20:54] <ghostcube> if you got time
[20:54] <ghostcube> no need to hurry :D
[21:21] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: Debian has added libpulse-dev to build-dep in kdemultimedia since 4.2.96, don't we want, right?
[21:24] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: we probably do want it
[21:25] <JontheEchidna> kdebase-runtime has done that forever, so no harm with kdemultimedia
[21:26] <Lex79> true, ok I'll add it
[21:29] <JontheEchidna> vorian, ScottK: what are extendchans?
[21:29] <Lex79> why mplayerthumbs is in multiverse? license problems ?
[21:30] <JontheEchidna> oh, backlogs
[21:30] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: depends on mplayer which is in multiverse
[21:30] <Lex79> lol sorry :)
[21:30] <JontheEchidna> not a problem :)
[21:30] <JontheEchidna> backlogs, must read before asking questions myself :D
[21:31] <Lex79> eheh, too merge cause confusion in my mind :)
[21:37] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Normally you can only be on 20 channels on Freenode.  Since UDS has at least 14, if you're going to be following along from home, you might want more than 20.  That's what it is (more).
[21:37] <JontheEchidna> ah, yeah
[21:38] <ScottK> So talk to vorian if you need it.
[21:41] <bbigras> Riddell: how do we know the status of the package for karmic-proposed, on the karmic-changes mailing list?
[21:44] <ScottK> bbigras: Does http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html answer your question?
[21:46] <bbigras> ScottK: no :( but thanks. I'm looking for the kopete-facebook update
[21:47] <ScottK> bbigras: Doesn't look like it's uploaded yet.  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kopete-facebook/+publishinghistory or https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+queue?queue_state=1 would show it if it had.
[21:48] <bbigras> ScottK: ok thanks!
[23:00] <Quintasan> ARGH give me my external HD back!
[23:08]  * apachelogger does the monkey dance
[23:08] <Quintasan> apachelogger: \o
[23:08]  * apachelogger hands Quintasan his HD
[23:08] <Quintasan> apachelogger: what's up?
[23:08] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I have it but it stopped working, and I dunno why :/
[23:09] <Quintasan> and data from my old machine is there :P
[23:09]  * apachelogger slept 4 hours last night and just mad ethe most wicked combo of mac osx + debian vm + qemu in debian vm
[23:09] <apachelogger> Quintasan: old age?
[23:09] <Quintasan> nah, it's just "hub 2-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 1" from dmesg each time I plug it in
[23:10] <Quintasan> on my old computer it worked fine :P
[23:10] <Quintasan> now I'm stuck because I don't have any ATA cables left :P
[23:10] <apachelogger> oh my
[23:10] <apachelogger> headache!
[23:11] <Quintasan> I need to find a way to access my data :S
[23:16] <Quintasan> oh well, time to bed, I think I will figure something out when I get some sleep
[23:16] <Quintasan> good night
[23:33]  * txwikinger is confused...
[23:34] <txwikinger> If the new procedure is to report bugs to launchpad, not to KDE bugs, apport or something like that should pop up, not the KDE thingy
[23:34] <dtchen_> Quintasan: use a different cable; use a different powered hub; use a different port
[23:49] <apachelogger> txwikinger: the new procedure is to report bugs to KDE :P
[23:50] <apachelogger> or rather, the new, old, enhanced one