[01:07] <spO`> hi
[01:07] <spO`> there is a default mplayer and there is a PPA lunchpad package mplayer that includes coreavc.... How do i install the last one instead of the default one?
[01:16] <spm> spO`: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/InstallingSoftware
[01:17] <spO`> thank you
[01:17] <spm> I think there are actually easier ways than that these days... but that will work
[01:19] <spO`> i put the urls in my apt.source or whatever, but it still downloads the default mplayer rather than the specific one from launchpad i think
[01:19] <thumper> spm: are you talking about 'sudo add-apt-repository ppa:goodness' ?
[01:19] <spm> thumper: that's it
[01:20] <spm> spO`: I'd assume the default one is a newer package number and hence overrides; you'd need to explictly force the ppa version
[01:20] <spO`> how do you do that?
[04:29] <tonyyarusso> Does Rosetta have any understanding of dialects yet, or do you still have to do them as separate languages?
[09:47] <geser> bigjools: see http://launchpadlibrarian.net/35534897/upload_1341675_log.txt "Failed to upload" again without an error message
[09:47] <geser> how could it happen on wednesday when you fixed it on monday?
[09:54] <bigjools> geser: I suspect the cowboyed change got removed, or the fix that was rolled out didn't work
[09:54] <bigjools> gah
[09:58] <bigjools> geser: have you got a build page URL for that please?
[09:59] <bigjools> I see other successful builds so if there's a problem it's a different one
[10:00] <wgrant> There were successful builds last time too, weren't there?
[10:00] <wgrant> It has always looked like an occasional race.
[10:08] <geser> bigjools: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/turbogears/1.1-1/+build/1341675
[10:08] <geser> I've checked if there are other "Failed to upload" similar to that one but it's the only one
[10:09] <bigjools> :/
[10:09] <wgrant> bigjools: Do we know which store is being used to re-get the build?
[10:09] <bigjools> geser: it's 2 days ago, I suspect it might be when the change was rolled out and there was a brief window w/o the cowboyed change in
[10:10] <bigjools> wgrant: I don't
[10:10] <bigjools> geser: I am going to retry it, ok?
[10:10] <geser> sure
[10:11] <geser> I didn't want to retry and lose any data you might need to debug this
[10:11] <bigjools> geser: thanks, appreciate that
[10:11] <bigjools> it was repeatable last time, so if it fails again we still have the problem
[10:14] <geser> bigjools: worked this time, so probably just a bad timing
[10:15] <bigjools> geser: great
[10:16] <bigjools> yes, it would have coincided with the rollout
[11:21] <apw> intellectronica, about?  wanted to ask about the nominations thing we talked about about 2 weeks back
[15:05] <intellectronica> apw: i'm sprinting, so can't really chat much, but if you're around in ~4h, when it's lunch time here in dallas, maybe then?
[15:06] <apw> intellectronica, i'll be in the pub by then.  i guess i'll come find you in person next week
[15:07] <intellectronica> apw: cool. i'm in UDS next week, but should have plenty of free slots for chatting
[15:07] <apw> intellectronica, heh as am i
[15:08] <intellectronica> apw: awesome, we can do it in person then, maybe even find some time for pair hacking :)
[16:13] <kklimonda> hey - why is lp:transmission only importing trunk serie from svn?
[16:36] <exarkun> How do I mass-update all the "Fix Committed" bugs targetted at the milestone I just did a release for?
[16:38] <bigjools> it's easy if you use the API
[16:40] <exarkun> :(
[16:40] <exarkun> And impossible if I, a user, want to use the user interface?
[16:41] <exarkun> Perhaps someone already wrote and released a tool that uses the API which presents a UI.
[16:43] <exarkun> Hm, I'm not having much luck with google finding such a tool, though.
[16:44] <LarstiQ> exarkun: bzr.dev/tools/check-newsbugs.py is not exactly that, but maybe helpful?
[16:50] <exarkun> Hm, I dunno how to resolve "bzr.dev"
[16:51] <bdmurray> rocketfuel-setup keeps failing to make a bzr branch of the devel code for me
[16:53] <exarkun> Okay, I guess it's bzr, since I see there's a tools/check-newbugs.py there
[16:55] <exarkun> Is "launchpadbugs" a Python library that implements a client for the launchpad API (at least the bugs part of it)?
[16:57] <idnar> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/41702
[16:59]  * exarkun finds python-launchpadlib and python-launchpad-bugs
[17:01] <bdmurray> python-launchpadbugs does not use the API so you likely don't want that
[17:02] <exarkun> I got a little excited when I saw the MODULE DOCS section in the output of `pydoc launchpadbugs`
[17:02] <exarkun> "A module with some real docs!" I thought
[17:03] <exarkun> Hopes raised, only to be dashed.  How cruel.
[17:10] <exarkun> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python2.6/+bug/482250
[17:10] <exarkun> I guess I'll stop wasting time with this, now, and start wasting time manually updating each bug individually.
[17:11] <Ursinha> bdmurray, what's the error message
[17:12] <bdmurray> Connection closed by remote host.
[17:15] <bdmurray> exarkun: what exactly do you want to do?
[17:17] <exarkun> I made a release.  I wanted to mark all the bugs it fixes as "Fix Released".
[17:17] <exarkun> It's done now, I did it, there were only 15 bugs or so.
[17:18] <exarkun> I'll come back and complain again when I have to do another release.
[17:18] <bdmurray> you'd use something like task.transitionToStatus(status="Fix Released")
[17:18] <exarkun> I've never used the API, so that doesn't mean much to me.  Thanks anyway.
[17:42] <ilil> hi! why https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug redirects to help.ubuntu.com? is that normal?
[17:48] <ilil> and i tried https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug?no-redirect variant, but error is arised constantly ...
[17:55] <czajkowski> 1/part
[19:42] <DanielC> Hello. Is it possible to upload a file to launchpad without using bzr?
[19:42] <LarstiQ> DanielC: in what sense?
[19:43] <LarstiQ> DanielC: you can upload tarballs with translations, afaik
[19:43] <hggdh> when I change bug status via the email interface, do I receive an email back with confirmation?
[19:43] <DanielC> LarstiQ: I'm thinking of someone who wants to upload a zip file with a simple program but can't install bzr (e.g. a student in a school that refuses to install new software).
[19:44] <bossekr> hi; I've send the following email http://pastie.org/697716 to edig@bugs.lauchpad.net and hope it will work; I'm not a member of bugcontrol
[19:44] <DanielC> LarstiQ: We want to teach some kids about programming and open source. They'd write simple programs with JavaScript and upload them to Launchpad, so they get to learn a bit about what FOSS is about.
[19:45] <LarstiQ> DanielC: that I do not know
[19:45] <DanielC> ok
[19:45] <LarstiQ> DanielC: however, bzr can run without being installed, just unpack the tarball and go
[19:45] <LarstiQ> (it will be faster if you can build the c extensions, but not required)
[19:46] <DanielC> thanks, I didn't know that.
[19:46] <DanielC> is that also true in Windows? is it also true for the GUI?
[19:47] <LarstiQ> it's true in Windows, but it might require a little bit more effort to be nice (setting up %PATH%, %PATHEXT%, etc)
[19:47] <LarstiQ> no clue about a/the GUI
[19:47] <bossekr> how log will it take until I get a replay on my email send to edit@bugs.l.net ?
[19:47] <DanielC> LarstiQ: bzr is written in Python. I didn't think that Windows came with Python.
[19:48] <LarstiQ> DanielC: oh bah
[19:48] <DanielC> ?
[19:48] <LarstiQ> DanielC: if the school won't install python, yeah, that's a blocker
[19:48] <DanielC> Ok, thanks.
[19:48]  * LarstiQ didn't realise that would be possible
[19:48] <DanielC> I don't know myself.
[19:48] <LarstiQ> I mean, who doesn't want python available? :)
[19:49] <DanielC> I'm just exploring possible problems.
[19:49] <DanielC> heh
[19:49] <LarstiQ> DanielC: one could upload releases to launchpad, but that's a bit cumbersome to development that way
[19:49] <DanielC> We are currently in the "exploration" phase. We have some ideas, and we want to figure out what's possible and what might be a problem.
[19:50] <DanielC> For a very small project (e.g. tic tac toe in JavaScript) it might not be a problem.
[19:50] <DanielC> Can you show me how to upload a release?
[19:52] <LarstiQ> DanielC: https://help.launchpad.net/Projects/FileDownloads
[19:52] <DanielC> *click*
[19:52] <DanielC> thanks
[19:53] <LarstiQ> DanielC: alternatively, if a Debian based system is available, you could use a PPA, but that's even more work (since the goal is to provide software packaged for Debian based systems)
[19:53] <LarstiQ> DanielC: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA
[19:53] <LarstiQ> DanielC: could lead into a course on packaging software though :)
[19:53] <DanielC> I doubt there will be any schools running Debian which are also unwilling to just install bzr.
[19:54]  * LarstiQ nods
[19:54] <DanielC> Thanks for the help.
[19:55] <LarstiQ> np
[19:59] <bossekr> hi everybody; can someone check the logs of lauchpad why my email send to edit@bugs.lauchpad.net is not preocessed ?
[20:00] <LarstiQ> bossekr: is edit@ a new service?
[20:00] <LarstiQ> bossekr: did you gpg sign it?
[20:02] <hggdh> LarstiQ: this is the email body bossekr sent: http://pastie.org/697716
[20:03] <LarstiQ> hggdh: then that looks as if he is not indenting the commands correctly
[20:05] <hggdh> you mean an initial space on the lines changing bug fields?
[20:05] <LarstiQ> hggdh: yup
[20:05] <LarstiQ> hggdh: ala https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/EmailInterface
[20:05] <bossekr> LarstiQ, yes this is my email http://pastie.org/697716
[20:05] <bossekr> do I need one space more (column 2) ?
[20:06] <LarstiQ> bossekr: I don't see any indentation on that email, so yeah, one more
[20:08] <bossekr> LarstiQ, should this work http://pastie.org/697766 ?
[20:09] <LarstiQ> bossekr: I think so
[20:10] <bossekr> LarstiQ, email is out
[20:15] <hggdh> LarstiQ: yes indeed it sounds like it... may I suggest even more emphasys on the lines talking about it on help.lp?
[20:15] <hggdh> and thank you
[20:15] <LarstiQ> hggdh: I agree (and am just a user, not an lp dev)
[20:16] <LarstiQ> kfogel: it seems the requirement for indentation is not mentioned on https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/EmailInterface ?
[20:16] <bossekr> hggdh, did something changed ? I did not get any feedback by bugs@edit.l.net right now
[20:17] <hggdh> bossekr: will check
[20:17] <hggdh> nox
[20:17] <hggdh> nix
[20:17] <hggdh> perhaps it has not yet been processed
[20:23] <bossekr> hggdh, thx, could you please change also the 3 minutes the messages will be processed... it seams that it is not...
[20:24] <hggdh> *I* cannot, don't have access there
[20:24] <kfogel> LarstiQ: which indentation requirement?
[20:25] <kfogel> LarstiQ: I might not know it either!
[20:25] <kfogel> :-)
[20:25] <rockstar> kfogel, commands through the email interface must be prefaced with a single space.
[20:26] <kfogel> rockstar: ah.  okay.  I *think* I used those, but can't be sure.
[20:26] <kfogel> rockstar, LarstiQ: the page does mention it now though
[20:27] <bossekr> kfogel, the examples about edit@bugs.launchpad.net at https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/EmailInterface
[20:27] <kfogel> rockstar, LarstiQ: andrea corbellini made it say so on aug 8
[20:27] <LarstiQ> ah, at the commands reference
[20:27] <hggdh> kfogel: what I was suggesting was make the sentence about it *really* shouting out
[20:28]  * LarstiQ grepped for 'indent' and tried to scan
[20:28] <LarstiQ> kfogel: I see
[20:28] <kfogel> bossekr, hggdh, LarstiQ: yeah, they don't say "indent", but the examples look correct and there is discussion of a space
[20:28] <kfogel> hggdh: shout out even more than it already does?
[20:28]  * LarstiQ nods
[20:28] <bossekr> kfogel, what about the GnuPG signing ? the examples do not show this ?
[20:28] <hggdh> yes indeed. I missed the sentence when I scanned the help
[20:29] <bossekr> kfogel, is signing of the message required at all ?
[20:29] <LarstiQ> bossekr: yes
[20:29] <LarstiQ> bossekr: see "Before you start"
[20:29] <kfogel> bossekr: I think not.  But, it must come from a launchpad-known addr, I think.
[20:29] <kfogel> LarstiQ: oh, it does claim that, huh?
[20:30] <kfogel> LarstiQ: maybe that's true, but ISTR not.  I could be wrong.
[20:30] <LarstiQ> kfogel: Now I don't know what to believe :)
[20:30] <kfogel> I actually don't use the bug tracker email interface that much.  What's needed here is some testing :-).
[20:31] <bossekr> kfogel, fine but https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/EmailInterface#What%20to%20expect%20when%20you%20submit%20an%20email talks about "three minutes" and I'm waiting longer
[20:31] <bossekr> kfogel, it would be helpful to get email if someting is missunderstood by edit@bugs.l.net...
[20:32] <bossekr> kfogel, I would need someone with access to the logs because I'm trying and trying and trying without success
[20:32] <kfogel> bossekr: can you file a bug report on what exactly is going on?  that's the best way we can trace the problem.
[20:34] <bossekr> kfogel, bug reports goes to new@bugs.launchpad.net with "affects lauchpad" ?
[20:34] <kfogel> bossekr: I meant file via the web UI, so we know it goes in :-).
[20:38] <bossekr> kfogel, could you please send me the URL ?
[20:39] <kfogel> bossekr: sure, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+filebug
[20:39] <kfogel> bossekr: "malone" is the component name of the bug tracker in Launchpad, and yes, we know it's not terribly obvious :-(
[20:46] <bossekr> kfogel, thx
[20:46] <kfogel> np
[21:10] <tonyyarusso> Um, wow.  So I'm trying to establish the plural forms for a language so I can file the proper ticket to add them to Rosetta.  I got the following as a response, and I'm wondering if this is sufficient to submit, or what I should try to follow up on, as it's rather complicated.  http://paste.ubuntu.com/318152/
[21:14] <LarstiQ> tonyyarusso: oh boy :)
[21:15] <tonyyarusso> ya rly
[21:15] <kfogel> tonyyarusso: looking
[21:15] <kfogel> tonyyarusso: thank you for ruining my day :-)
[21:16] <tonyyarusso> You're welcome :)
[21:25] <sladen> tonyyarusso: that makes Finnish look simple...
[21:29] <tonyyarusso> It might be simpler than it looks from a Rosetta perspective though - does Rosetta just need to know how many boxes to present, or does it try to do some things automatically with the data later?
[21:29] <LarstiQ> sladen: but it is!
[21:47] <sladen> LarstiQ: :)
[22:03] <sladen> who's on the SWAT team and can do something about bug #482382
[22:06] <henninge> tonyyarusso: gettext (and therefore rosetta) is only concerned about how many plural form there are and for which number of objects each is used.
[22:07] <tonyyarusso> henninge: Could you elaborate a little on what that means for my situation?  I haven't started using Rosetta yet, so I'm not really sure how it uses the information.
[22:07] <henninge> tonyyarusso: "how many" is only dependent on the *number* of objects, not on any other attribute the objects might have.
[22:09] <LarstiQ> ie, gettext is unable to represent languages for which purely the number is not enough?
[22:10] <henninge> LarstiQ: I don't understand that question.
[22:11] <sladen> surely in this case, for any word (in any particular situation, or any gender), there are only two versions  (== 1, or != 1)
[22:11] <LarstiQ> sladen: ah, right
[22:11] <tonyyarusso> sladen: That's what I would think; I'm just trying to make sure Rosetta doesn't try to do anything smarter with it.
[22:11] <sladen> so LP needs to show two boxes, and the particular user doing the translation is themselves away of the syntax requirements of that instance
[22:12] <sladen> s/away/aware/
[22:19] <henninge> tonyyarusso, sladen, LarstiQ: No, rosetta is not trying anything smarter. It's just about the number of input boxes.
[22:19] <tonyyarusso> mmkay
[22:20] <henninge> gettext uses the plural expression to pick one
[22:20] <henninge> I think the missunderstanding here is that many people don't realise that other languages have more than one plural
[22:20] <henninge> like polish or serbian, which have two plurals
[22:21] <henninge> to gettext, that means 3 plural forms (one singular, two plural)
[22:22] <henninge> for example, singular may be used for one object, the first plural is used for two, twelve, 22, etc objects and the second plural form for all other numbers.
[22:22] <henninge> (polish and serbian is different but I don't konw the exact rule)
[22:23] <henninge> arabic has six plurals, I think.
[22:25] <henninge> tonyyarusso: anyway, in your case it's simply "2" for the number of plural forms (singular + one plural) and "n!=1" for the expression, meaning any number of objects that is not 1 uses the plural (including zero).
[22:25] <henninge> tonyyarusso: that is what I gather from the discussion.
[22:27] <tonyyarusso> Sounds right, thanks.
[22:27] <tonyyarusso> I can always adjust it later if one of my translators says otherwise.
[22:32] <sladen> deryck: ta for acking that;  who can actually do something about it?
[22:34] <deryck> sladen, intellectronica and I are sprinting this week.  and having a conversation in an hour about what we can do on this.
[22:35] <sladen> deryck: groovy!
[22:36] <deryck> sladen, I'll update the bug as soon as I have new, hopefully positive, info.