[00:54] <fcuk112> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/481479 in order to fix this bug, should cdrecord be added as a dependency of the package?
[00:54] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 481479 in linux "xcdroast doesn't work in Karmic Koala" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[00:57] <dtchen_> does it *really* need xcdroast?
[00:57] <dtchen_> sorry
[00:57] <dtchen_> does it *really* need cdrecord?
[00:58] <fcuk112> dunno, if the app errors with that message it should do?  should i check if that string is hard-coded?
[00:58] <kklimonda> isn't it duplicate of bug 380144 ?
[00:58] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 380144 in xcdroast "xcdroast+wodim can't setup (1st run as root)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/380144
[00:59] <kklimonda> debian bug 523639 may have more info about it and some patches
[00:59] <ubot4> Debian bug 523639 in xcdroast "xcdroast: Failed to access cdrecord" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/523639
[00:59] <kklimonda> fcuk112: ^^^
[01:01] <micahg> hi yoasif
[01:03] <fcuk112> thanks guys.
[01:37] <jtniehof> I'm confused by https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage/ ...it says (under Confirming) 'Change the "Assigned to" field to "Nobody"', but that doesn't seem possible. i.e. there's no "Nobody" as a special option, just lots of Launchpad users who put "nobody" as their name
[01:38] <jtniehof> should I just leave it as "Unassigned"?
[01:38] <micahg> jtniehof: yes, bugs should be unassigned unless someone is working on it
[01:38] <micahg> as in a developer
[01:39] <jtniehof> thanks. I'll edit the wiki then....
[02:50] <FFEMTcJ> can someone wishlist Bug #481688
[02:50] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 481688 in gnome-system-monitor "Can you add features like 'power consumed' ?" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/481688
[02:52] <WeatherGod> Is there a better way to edit the wiki page than through the browser?
[02:53] <WeatherGod> the text comes out so big that it is hard to find the line I want in the text box
[03:01] <micahg1> FFEMTcJ: done
[03:01] <micahg> WeatherGod: that's the only was I know of
[03:02] <FFEMTcJ> thanks micahg
[03:02] <micahg> FFEMTcJ: the bug still needs triage though :)
[03:04] <WeatherGod> ok, just annoying that I can't get Firefox to search for the bug number within an edit box, it seems
[03:04] <WeatherGod> also, any idea why bug 425166 was listed as a new bug when it was also listed in the "send upstream" list as well?
[03:04] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 425166 in nautilus "Nautilus *.txt file behaviour" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/425166
[03:05] <hggdh> bug 478962
[03:05] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 478962 in udev "After upgrade to Karmic, CD/DVD drive no longer works" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/478962
[03:06] <micahg> WeatherGod: are you trying to record stuff for the hugday?
[03:06] <WeatherGod> record stuff?
[03:07] <micahg> add your name and mark it
[03:07] <WeatherGod> hggdh, yeah, that's epic one
[03:07] <hggdh> heh
[03:07] <WeatherGod> micahg, yes, I notice that that bug I already worked on was in the other list as well
[03:07] <micahg> WeatherGod: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Tools
[03:07] <hggdh> good work there, though. Although you went way far than needed ;-)
[03:08] <WeatherGod> she reminds me of one of my aunts
[03:08] <hggdh> WeatherGod: if you are triaging a bug, and you ask for more data, it is OK (and actually expected) to change the status to INCOMPLETE
[03:09] <hggdh> darn, she *does* remind me on one of mine also
[03:09] <WeatherGod> yeah, i have been doing that more recently
[03:09] <WeatherGod> I gotta go back over my old ones and fix that
[03:09] <WeatherGod> although, it seems like apport keeps on resetting it to new?
[03:09] <hggdh> but good work
[03:09] <WeatherGod> or it is the user themselves
[03:10] <WeatherGod> hggdh, thanks
[03:12] <WeatherGod> micahg, I'll install those tools right now
[03:13] <WeatherGod> the problem with the nautilus focus today is that I use UNR, and a lot of these things I can't even verify
[03:13] <micahg> WeatherGod: sorry, I didn't get what you meant initially when you said edit the wiki
[03:13] <WeatherGod> micahg, np
[03:14] <micahg> WeatherGod: just do what you can :), you can tackle the ones that need upstreaming :)
[03:15] <hggdh> WeatherGod: another good package to install (if you are running firefox) is firefox-lp-improvements
[03:15] <WeatherGod> any idea why the *.txt bug was listed twice?
[03:15] <WeatherGod> oh?
[03:16] <hggdh> er. which *.txt bug?
[03:17] <WeatherGod> bug 425166
[03:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 425166 in nautilus "Nautilus *.txt file behaviour" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/425166
[03:19] <WeatherGod> Ok, installing the qa tools, and it is having me do a bunch of postfix stuff...
[03:19] <mrand> I don't have time to push it upstream - but Bug 472437 looks to have a valid stack trace that may make it easily actionable.
[03:19] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 472437 in gnome-system-monitor "gnome-system-monitor keeps crashing with signal 7 (on a Jaunty booted from USB)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/472437
[03:19] <mrand> If someone would like to take it.
[03:20] <WeatherGod> just needs to go upstream to gnome?
[03:20] <WeatherGod> I can push it there
[03:21] <mrand> WeatherGod: cool.  Take credit for it on hugday
[03:22] <hggdh> WeatherGod: personally, the txt bug is a wontfix. But let's see what upstream says
[03:22] <WeatherGod> personally, I think that is one of those "seems easy to fix, but has a lot of nasty implications" type things
[03:23] <WeatherGod> I think my writeup on the gnome site was fair
[03:23] <hggdh> yes, this is the point. The OR (original reporter) is expecting file suffix to always match windows. This will not happen
[03:24] <hggdh> WeatherGod: it was.
[03:24] <WeatherGod> and using mime-types is bad
[03:25] <WeatherGod> quite honestly, i think just having the fat32 and ntfs partitions mount as noexec would be a better solution
[03:26] <WeatherGod> but I don't think others would be happy with that
[03:26] <hggdh> about bug 472437 -- I would like the OR to run gnome-system-monitor from a terminal, and attach the output to the bug
[03:26] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 472437 in gnome-system-monitor "gnome-system-monitor keeps crashing with signal 7 (on a Jaunty booted from USB)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/472437
[03:27] <WeatherGod> ok, I'll add that to the report as well as filing upstream
[03:27] <hggdh> it would be safer to mount them noexec, I agree. This is what I personally used to do, when I had to mount NTFSs
[03:28] <WeatherGod> what repo is the firefox improvements package in... can't seem to find it?
[03:29] <hggdh> oh, the version there is from jaunty...
[03:29] <hggdh> hold on, there is a ppa with it
[03:29] <WeatherGod> I am using Jaunty
[03:29] <micahg> https://launchpad.net/~gm-dev-launchpad/+archive/ppa
[03:29] <WeatherGod> I haven't fully moved to Karmic yet
[03:29] <hggdh> WeatherGod: use the PPA
[03:30] <hggdh> more up-to-date
[03:30] <WeatherGod> ok
[03:33] <hggdh> micahg: thank you, BTW
[03:33] <micahg> hggdh: np
[03:44] <micahg> hggdh: can you tell me if an upstream for a bug seems correct?
[03:44] <micahg> bug 448343 and gnome bug 579026
[03:44] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 448343 in nautilus "While brasero records a disk nautilus keeps trying to mount it" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/448343
[03:44] <ubot4> Gnome bug 579026 in general "Nautilus should ignore blank CD/DVD insertion when a CD/DVD is being copied" [Enhancement,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=579026
[03:44] <hggdh> micahg: looking
[03:46] <hggdh> micahg: they really sound like the same thing
[03:46] <hggdh> you take care of it, or I?
[03:46] <micahg> I'll take care of it
[03:46] <hggdh> k
[03:46] <micahg> thanks
[03:47] <micahg> ugh
[03:47] <hggdh> ugh?
[03:47] <micahg> can you add the downstream link on bgo
[03:47] <micahg> and I'll update the LP bug
[03:47] <micahg> I don't think I have a bgo account yet
[03:48] <hggdh> will do. I was going to propose you that ;-)
[03:48]  * micahg just wanted to add one for the hugday
[03:48] <hggdh> cuz I also want to upgrade the nautilus version
[03:52] <hggdh> done
[03:52] <micahg> thanks
[03:52] <micahg> hggdh: unfortunately, the reported didn't include a version :)
[03:52] <micahg> neverming
[03:52] <hggdh> well, yes, the OR stated running karmic
[03:53]  * micahg can';t read tonight :)
[03:53] <hggdh> heh
[03:53]  * hggdh has a migrane
[03:53] <WeatherGod> nor type
[03:53] <WeatherGod> finally got the stuff installed
[03:53] <WeatherGod> stupid key auth... kept mistyping it
[03:54] <hggdh> and the migrane was made worse by an (unrelated) email denying the holocaust :-(
[03:54] <WeatherGod> shouldn't those go to spam?
[03:55] <WeatherGod> I pretty much trained mine to spot all those no-global-warming emails my parents keep trying to send me
[03:55] <hggdh> it was a serious email, up to this point
[03:55] <WeatherGod> ugh, that sucks
[03:55] <hggdh> yup
[03:55] <micahg> another example of why filetypes don't work...people can have files with spaces after the extension :)
[03:56] <WeatherGod> I *hate* those!
[03:56] <hggdh> good one, micahg! We usually do not think about spaces *after* the dot
[03:56] <micahg> yep '.png ' :)
[03:56] <WeatherGod> he isn't talking about after the dot, he is talking about after the extention
[03:57] <micahg> WeatherGod: he knows
[03:57] <WeatherGod> try doing a "eog foobar.png '
[03:57] <WeatherGod> hehe
[03:57] <micahg> WeatherGod: it's still after the dot
[03:57] <micahg> just not right after
[03:57] <hggdh> eof foobar. png
[03:57] <WeatherGod> ah, true
[03:57] <WeatherGod> hehe
[03:57]  * hggdh cannot type either
[03:58] <WeatherGod> I once accidentially named a file to start with a hyphen... *that* was annoying
[03:58] <hggdh> fun
[03:58] <WeatherGod> "rm -badfile.txt".... "unknown option"
[03:58] <dtchen_> thank you, --
[03:59] <WeatherGod> yeah, that was a few years ago, didn't know about that, neither did the sys admin
[03:59] <WeatherGod> just went to the gui instead
[03:59] <hggdh> :-)
[04:00] <WeatherGod> ok, let's see if I can figure these tools out
[04:00] <WeatherGod> I'll try this out with 472437
[04:03] <WeatherGod> sweet, the  hugday program is cool
[04:03] <WeatherGod> wonder if I can get it working on Fedora?
[04:04] <WeatherGod> will have to repackage it for rpms, of course... but then I could do hugdays while at work
[04:04] <micahg> WeatherGod: you can use the bzr repo
[04:04] <WeatherGod> ah, and compile from source?
[04:05] <micahg> WeatherGod: they're python scripts...no compiling AFAIK
[04:05] <hggdh> but will have prereqs, at least the lp library
[04:05] <hggdh> still, should not be difficult
[04:06] <WeatherGod> ok... I'll look into it tomorrow at work
[04:07] <micahg> hggdh: there's more stuff in ubuntu-qa-tools than the hugday stuff
[04:07] <hggdh> yes
[04:08] <hggdh> and thank you for remembering me to bzr pull my local image ;-)
[04:09] <WeatherGod> np
[04:29] <WeatherGod> anybody else find it funny what the command is to look up the man pages for 'hugday'?
[04:33] <WeatherGod> 'man hugday'
[04:38] <WeatherGod> ok, I pushed bug 472437 upstream, and added a note to the OR for more info
[04:38] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 472437 in gnome-system-monitor "gnome-system-monitor keeps crashing with signal 7 (on a Jaunty booted from USB)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/472437
[04:39] <WeatherGod> mrand passed this one off to me, I thought it was listed for hugday, but I don't see it
[04:41] <WeatherGod> I'll look at it some more tomorrow...
[07:45] <bossekr> hi all; within the last two days I tried to use the edit@bugs.launchpad.net email interface to change bugs in Ubuntu as Debian developer for "my" package but nothing happens
[07:50] <bossekr> loot at my email at http://pastie.org/696927 and find the problem why edit@bugs.launchpad.net does not work, thx
[12:08] <ikt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/nautilus/+bug/476958 <- needs to be set to triaged
[12:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 476958 in nautilus "Cannot share a folder via right click on folder->sharing options->share this folder" [Low,Confirmed]
[12:10] <pedro_> ikt, done, thanks for sent it upstream
[12:10] <ikt> np :)
[13:06] <bddebian> Boo
[13:35] <qense> hello bug channel
[13:37] <ror> every single time I restart my computer I need to reinstall libdvdread4. Every single reboot!
[13:37] <ror> this is getting old :(
[13:50] <qense> pedro_: could you renew my membership? It's about to expire very soon and I wouldn't want to be kicked out of bugcontrol ;)
[13:51] <pedro_> qense, sure, 'qense' is your lp id ?
[13:57] <pedro_> qense, renewed
[14:03] <qense> pedro_: sorry, wasn't paying attention. Thanks for the renewal!
[14:03] <pedro_> qense, you're welcome
[14:24] <dacone> hi'lo #ubuntu-bugs
[14:25] <dacone> im haveing corrupted data after using "dvgrab" it happens randomly, and i can't seem to find similar issues using google, any idea?
[15:03]  * bcurtiswx_ waves to room
[15:10]  * nigel_nb waves to bcurtiswx_
[15:26] <nigel_nb> hggdh: were you by any chance able to find me a mentor?
[15:31] <nigel_nb> about bug 481753
[15:31] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 481753 in netbook-launcher "Can't make an app launcher" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/481753
[15:32] <nigel_nb> it seems more like a question
[15:50] <hggdh> nigel_nb: sorry for the delay. I am still looking for mentors in the UTC+6 TZ
[15:50] <nigel_nb> hggdh: it doesnt matter where the person is
[15:50] <hggdh> OK. I will take you on, then
[15:51] <nigel_nb> hggdh: ah, great :)
[15:51] <hggdh> please be aware that -- right now -- I am working remote, so I am logged in pretty much as I show in the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors page
[15:53] <hggdh> nigel_nb: for bug 481753: this is not really a question, but could be looked at as a wishlist: .jar-deployed applications would have to be either mime-typed, or prefixed by a 'java -jar' call
[15:53] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 481753 in netbook-launcher "Can't make an app launcher" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/481753
[15:53] <nigel_nb> ah
[15:54] <hggdh> nigel_nb: what is your LP id?
[15:54] <nigel_nb> nigelbabu
[15:55] <hggdh> done
[15:55] <nigel_nb> thank you :)
[15:55] <nigel_nb> I'll be working the whole night today
[15:57] <nigel_nb> bug 482189 is not exactly a bazaar bug
[15:57] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 482189 in bzr "wrong permissions of .bazaar" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/482189
[15:57] <nigel_nb> bazaar behaves as it is supposed to
[15:58] <nigel_nb> its a universe package which created a problem by bringing home folder under bazaar
[16:02] <hggdh> nigel_nb: ask the reporter how was the installation of bazaar and etckeeper done. This may be, indeed, misuse
[16:02] <dacone> what could be the cause for jammed data from using dvgrab?
[16:02] <hggdh> dacone: have you searched LP for a similar bug?
[16:03] <dacone> hggdh, LP?
[16:03] <dacone> launchpad
[16:03] <dacone> yes
[16:03] <nigel_nb> in the meantime, couldnt he run "sudo bzr remove /home" ?
[16:03] <dacone> no one seems to have problems once dvgrab works
[16:06] <hggdh> !dvgrab
[16:06] <ubot4> Factoid 'dvgrab' not found
[16:06] <hggdh> !info dvgrab
[16:06] <ubot4> hggdh: dvgrab (source: dvgrab): grab digital video data via IEEE1394 and USB links. In component universe, is extra. Version 3.4-1build1 (karmic), package size 134 kB, installed size 356 kB (Only available for alpha amd64 arm armel armeb hppa i386 ia64 mips mipsel powerpc ppc64 s390 sparc)
[16:07] <WeatherGod> oh, neat!
[16:07] <WeatherGod> nice bot there
[16:07] <hggdh> indeed
[16:07] <dacone> [X] agree
[16:08] <hggdh> dacone: so you use dvgrab and, after using it you start having data corruption? Can you explain a bit more?
[16:09] <hggdh> nigel_nb: better not 'sudo bzr remove /home' ...
[16:09] <dacone> hggdh, setup: we have a miniDV camcorder attached via ieee1394-firewire, a huge load of miniDV tapes and enough time.
[16:09] <nigel_nb> hggdh: I read up that software, its meant to keep track of changes made to /etc
[16:09] <dacone> hggdh, the firewirelink seems to be ok (although dvgrab complains about lost frames at startup)
[16:09] <hggdh> nigel_nb: yes. One way to test... install the beast
[16:10] <nigel_nb> hmm...
[16:10] <nigel_nb> lemme do that
[16:11] <WeatherGod> hggdh, quick question, how should I triage bug 482166?
[16:11] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 482166 in ubuntu "Ubuntu 9.10 installation grub error 15" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/482166
[16:11] <WeatherGod> looks like it was an error with installation process
[16:11] <dacone> hggdh, dvgrab does apparently everything we want (winding, rewinding playing etc.) but when used to rip the tapes dvgrab produces huge files and none of our programs seem to be able to read them
[16:12] <dacone> hggdh, i use dv2 to store the data -opendml and -a to actually split the dump into files matching the chapters -t to set the date to each filename
[16:12] <hggdh> dacone: so the problem seems to be 'ripping DV tapes with dvgrab produces bad output', or similar, correct?
[16:13] <bcurtiswx_> WeatherGod: where does the MBR get stored?
[16:13] <dacone> hggdh, yes, but "randomly" i cant find out when the error occurs
[16:13] <hggdh> dacone: so sometimes it *does* produce good output?
[16:13] <hggdh> bcurtiswx_: in the MBR? ;-)
[16:13] <WeatherGod> that's what I was going to say
[16:13] <dacone> hggdh, its a bit like there was a hardcoded "only write 50% of files correclty, then change endieness"
[16:14] <bcurtiswx_> hggdh: idk these things... :P which is on the motherboard? on a drive? what?
[16:14] <hggdh> bcurtiswx_: it gets written on the disk
[16:15] <WeatherGod> bcurtiswx_, the MBR (Master Boot Record) goes at the very beginning of the disk
[16:15] <M1Tn1Ck> hy
[16:15] <WeatherGod> the bios checks it to start the boot process
[16:15] <hggdh> dacone: can you provide a sample input and output?
[16:15] <dacone> hggdh, to speak in human readable terms: approx. 11Gbyte data/tape and 1-7Gbyte unreadeable...
[16:15] <bcurtiswx_> if you say it's on the MBR then I wasn't paying attention in computer building class
[16:15] <hggdh> heh
[16:16] <bcurtiswx_> sorry, my wireless keps DC at work
[16:16] <dacone> hggdh, i dont know how, input is miniDV-tape and output is DV2-AVI
[16:16] <bcurtiswx_> ok so that bug IMO seems huge is Ubuntu is installed on a hard drive which the BIOS doesn't read at first?
[16:16] <WeatherGod> bcurtiswx_, also, that is a good reason why you shouldn't have the boot on RAID5
[16:17] <hggdh> dacone: sounds like a good bug for me. There is probably a way of running dvgrab in debug mode
[16:17] <WeatherGod> bcurtiswx_, yeah, the install process seems to have chosen the wrong disk, which is *very* dangerous!
[16:17] <hggdh> bcurtiswx_: when you partition/format your disks, usually you select one (disk or partition) to be the bootable device. The MBR will be written there
[16:18] <WeatherGod> I once almost messed up a software RAID that way
[16:18] <bcurtiswx_> hggdh: so if you install ubuntu using the liveCD on a drive that the BIOS reads second... it could be very dangerous?
[16:19] <WeatherGod> bcurtiswx_, it is dangerous if you accidentially write where you didn't intend to
[16:19] <bcurtiswx_> i know that........
[16:19] <bcurtiswx_> i apparently suck at getting my point out
[16:19] <dacone> hggdh, i also notices crashes when dvgrab is invoked with "-a" (autosplit) when -t (timecode) is missing, my explanation is, that dvgrab doesnt provide filenumbering without this timecode function
[16:20] <hggdh> dacone: this is a bug, certainly
[16:20] <WeatherGod> bcurtiswx_, most of the time, for most people, this is not an issue as they only have one drive
[16:21] <bcurtiswx_> WeatherGod: yeah, I get all this... i just didn't say things right.... maybe i need to start drinking coffee
[16:21] <WeatherGod> but it is still bad, nevertheless
[16:21] <WeatherGod> heh, if you like drinking burnt toast, sure...
[16:23] <bcurtiswx_> I don't drink coffee.. but it seems with the lack of caffeine in the mornings my IQ seems to average around 20 until lunch
[16:23] <bcurtiswx_> anything in specific that grub bugs should have....? <as i look for a wiki page on this>
[16:24] <hggdh> bcurtiswx_: I *do* drink coffee, and still my IQ hovers on the cretin level, sometimes the whole day
[16:24] <WeatherGod> sounds like a personal problem to me...
[16:24] <bcurtiswx_> hggdh: lol
[16:24] <dacone> hggdh, as i said i have time, and the need to fix this, which way would you suggest i should go? launchpad?
[16:25] <hggdh> dacone: certainly opening a bug on LP seems a good option. Additionally, you may want to find who is upstream for dvgrab, and search there
[16:26] <dacone> hggdh dvgrab seems to be part of the kinodv.org, i'll try LP first.
[16:27] <hggdh> dacone: opening a bug on LP will (hopefully) indicate to some other sufferer that this has been seen
[16:27] <hggdh> but checking upstream will probably get you a faster response
[16:28] <dacone> hggdh, you mean i should try to find the package maintainer for dvgrab@ubuntu
[16:28] <hggdh> this might help, yes -- it will be a MOTU.
[16:30] <bcurtiswx_> ubuntu livecd installer = ubiquity.. right?
[16:30] <hggdh> debian-installer?
[16:30] <WeatherGod> bcurtiswx_, yes
[16:34] <bcurtiswx_> bug 482166 taken care of WeatherGod
[16:34] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 482166 in ubuntu "Ubuntu 9.10 installation grub error 15" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/482166
[16:34] <bossekr> hi all; I'm looking for help with edit@bugs.launchpad.net interface. I send an email with following content http://pastie.org/697459 with my debian email and nothing happens
[16:35] <mrand> bossekr: did you sign your message?
[16:36] <WeatherGod> bcurtiswx_, thanks, but I am not quite sure what they can do for Karmic... any changes to Ubiquity means that the LiveCD images have to be redone
[16:36] <bossekr> yes, another try with my PGP I send is here http://pastie.org/697465; both without success
[16:37] <bossekr> s/PGP/GnuPG/g
[16:37] <mrand> bossekr: do you have that key registered on launchpad?
[16:37] <bcurtiswx_> WeatherGod 9.10.1 should get a fix for that..
[16:37] <bcurtiswx_> WeatherGod: well... i'm hoping
[16:39] <dacone> pizza_set_size: assertion `pizza != NULL' failed, no pizza left in space
[16:40] <bcurtiswx_> maybe in 100 years we'll be programming computers to create pizza...
[16:40] <bcurtiswx_> :P
[16:40] <WeatherGod> pizza is better than cookies
[16:44] <bossekr> mrand, do I did not; I will do it right now
[16:47] <bcurtiswx_> <drum hit>
[16:48] <WeatherGod> bcurtiswx_, you are later than smitty on Leno
[16:49] <WeatherGod> :-P
[16:49] <bcurtiswx_> i got DC again... hopefully i didn't miss much... i wonder why my wireless is soo flaky..
[16:49] <bcurtiswx_> 11:43-11:47ET i missed
[16:49] <WeatherGod> sounds like another bug report to me
[16:50] <bcurtiswx_> could be the broadcom driver....
[16:51] <WeatherGod> could be... I was having trouble last month with random drops
[16:53] <WeatherGod> This is a very nice webpage: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures
[16:53] <WeatherGod> but it needs more
[16:53] <WeatherGod> there is nothing here about Software Center
[16:54] <bcurtiswx_> dont' hesitate to update it if you want to... everytime ubuntu changes a large chunk of wiki pages become "outdated"... its hard to keep up
[16:54] <WeatherGod> and I don't see anything about UbuntuOne
[16:54] <bcurtiswx_> comma between changes and a
[16:55] <WeatherGod> well, before adding anything, I would want to make sure I have my facts straight
[16:56] <WeatherGod> for example, with Software Center, I have noticed that you have to run synaptic first (with a Refresh) before SC starts working again
[16:56] <WeatherGod> I have no clue if that is an official fix or what is the bug to link to for that, though
[16:57] <bcurtiswx_> Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)
[16:57] <bcurtiswx_> = flaky
[16:57] <WeatherGod> yeah, very
[16:58] <bcurtiswx_> is there a non-free driver for it? ubuntu didn't recognize anything
[16:58] <WeatherGod> Atheros is the non-free driver, I believe
[16:58] <WeatherGod> I was using madwifi for a while
[16:58] <WeatherGod> don't know what happened to that project though
[16:59] <WeatherGod> also required a recompile for each kernel update
[16:59] <WeatherGod> really annoying
[17:00] <bcurtiswx_> in synaptic search typing "atheros" i get hostapd
[17:00] <bcurtiswx_> mentiones madwifi
[17:02] <WeatherGod> I'll look into it for the next update for that machine
[17:02] <WeatherGod> haven't turned it on in ages, though
[17:02] <bcurtiswx_> lol, k
[17:02] <bcurtiswx_> i installed hostapd.. maybe something will change...
[17:03] <bcurtiswx_> brb
[17:08] <WeatherGod> got a bug report here about a failure to install LinuxMint... should I mark it as invalid?
[17:08] <bdmurray> what number?
[17:09] <WeatherGod> bug 481852
[17:09] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 481852 in ubiquity "Mint-8RC1 Installer crashed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/481852
[17:10] <bdmurray> Yes, because they aren't using the ubuntu version of ubiquity
[17:10] <bdmurray> Nov 13 10:41:45 mint ubiquity[3844]: Ubiquity 2.0.8-1mint3
[17:10] <WeatherGod> ok
[17:12] <bdmurray> you might double check in the installer channel though
[17:13] <bdmurray> that's #ubuntu-installer
[17:13] <WeatherGod> ah, thanks
[17:13]  * bcurtiswx_ waves to bdmurray
[17:15]  * bdmurray waves back
[17:16] <bcurtiswx_> bdmurray: you going to UDS?
[17:17] <bdmurray> bcurtiswx_: yes
[17:18] <bcurtiswx_> bdmurray: awesome, enjoy.  One of these days I'll go as a people watcher...
[17:24] <WeatherGod> haha: bug 481840
[17:24] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 481840 in evolution "Package should be named with a name not a word" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/481840
[17:25] <WeatherGod> I think I will call Evolution, "Steve" from now on
[17:27] <qense> I've found a bug in Steve!
[17:27] <qense> mailist discussions would be a lot more interesting to watch
[17:27] <WeatherGod> "Gotta get Steve to send out the notice"
[17:34] <hggdh> I am confused. The moment 'evolution' got to be used as a package name it got to be a name.
[17:35] <WeatherGod> well, I took it to mean that the person wanted descriptive names
[17:35] <WeatherGod> kinda like OpenOffice Writer
[17:35] <hggdh> 'evolution is an important word'
[17:36] <WeatherGod> now I can't get the Beatles out of my head
[17:37] <hggdh> actually, I liked the answer. On this case I am unsure I would be able to be as nice
[17:37] <nigel_nb> bug 482189, is reproducible when I install etckeeper
[17:37] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 482189 in bzr "wrong permissions of .bazaar" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/482189
[17:37] <nigel_nb> but I think normal bzr usage can be continued though
[17:38] <WeatherGod> what package should I select for issues during boot?
[17:38] <bdmurray> it depends on the issue
[17:38] <WeatherGod> more precisely, devices not ready before mount commands start
[17:38] <hggdh> nigel_nb:  I will also install it; meanwhile, please document your findings on the bug
[17:38] <nigel_nb> should I confirm it?
[17:39] <WeatherGod> the person selected "usplash" which is obviously not right
[17:39] <hggdh> nigel_nb: yes. It sounds like etckeeper is doing the wrong thing
[17:39] <nigel_nb> hggdh: yep, its an upstream bug
[17:40] <hggdh> oh, we already have an upstream bug on that? then please add the link to it, and I will set it as triaged
[17:40] <nigel_nb> I dont think we have
[17:41] <WeatherGod> looks like bcurtiswx's drivers are still not fixed...
[17:42] <WeatherGod> bdmurray, it is bug 481836
[17:42] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 481836 in usplash "Fails to mount /home on sd-card during boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/481836
[17:44] <nigel_nb> hggdh: got the problem
[17:45] <hggdh> I just installed, and did not get it
[17:45] <nigel_nb> hggdh: bazaar is installed for the root user...when running bzr as root, there is no problem
[17:45] <bdmurray> WeatherGod: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/910#Login%20screen%20presented%20before%20optional%20filesystems%20are%20mounted
[17:45] <nigel_nb> did u try running bzr status?
[17:45] <hggdh> my (already existing) ~/.bazaar did not get to be root
[17:45] <nigel_nb> ah
[17:46] <nigel_nb> then I think it does not effect you if bazaar is already installed
[17:46] <nigel_nb> I tried it on my vm, where there was no bazaar
[17:46] <WeatherGod> bdmurray, thanks!
[17:47] <hggdh> nigel_nb: yes, it does seem so. Now I am trying to find where etckeeper put the bzr config
[17:47] <nigel_nb> hggdh: lemme try purging it, installing bazaar first, and then etckeeper
[17:48] <hggdh> yes, good test
[17:53] <hggdh> nigel_nb: on my install etckeeper installed a bzr branch under /etc
[17:53] <nigel_nb> but inside your home, its not causing any problem right?
[17:54] <nigel_nb> hggdh: its supposed to create a branch under /etc
[17:54] <hggdh> there is no .bzr under my home. I *do* have a .bazaar, with my basic config
[17:54] <hggdh> which, in my case, it did
[17:54] <hggdh> ah
[17:55] <hggdh> what it is doing is creating you user bzr configuration as root under ~
[17:55] <nigel_nb> yep
[17:55] <nigel_nb> so the entire app is causing a sorta problem right?
[17:56] <nigel_nb> hggdh: I'm stilling getting that "No handlers can be found for "bzr"
[17:56] <hggdh> it is probably missing a chown on the post install, or similar
[17:57] <nigel_nb> hmm, so a confirmed bug, but mostly a packaging problem?
[17:57] <hggdh> nigel_nb: what is the content of your ~/.bazaar? pastebin it
[17:57] <hggdh> it is a bug, I *think* on packaging
[17:57] <WeatherGod> is it desired behavior for new folders to have their permission bits set to rwxr-xr-x?
[17:58] <WeatherGod> I can't remember
[17:58] <hggdh> WeatherGod: usually this depends on the umask
[17:58] <WeatherGod> see bug 481825
[17:58] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 481825 in ubuntu "Add User GUI assigns 777 to ALL users, even when not wanted" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/481825
[17:59] <WeatherGod> I guess I am asking what is the default umask for Ubuntu?
[17:59] <hggdh> well
[18:00] <WeatherGod> kinda huffy, huh?
[18:00] <nigel_nb> hggdh: I only have an "ignore" file
[18:00] <hggdh> two answers: default umask is 022; the "Add User" GUI (whatever that is) may force its own view
[18:01] <hggdh> nigel_nb: ooooh, good, I *did* get an ignore owned by root
[18:02] <quinda1> I'm looking through the Needs Packaging bugs.  I've found one with no activity for ~ 9 months, where the requested package was abandoned by the developer in Jan 2008 anyway.  Should I add a comment to that effect and mark it as Invalid?   It's bug 126210
[18:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 126210 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] ChatSniff" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126210
[18:02] <nigel_nb> hggdh: so somewhere packaging screwed up huh?
[18:03] <hggdh> nigel_nb: sounds like it
[18:03] <quinda1> Back when it was confirmed the project was still active - the bug was reported in 2007.
[18:04] <nigel_nb> hggdh: I'll confirm the bug then
[18:04] <hggdh> quinda1: please document your findings in the bug. If this project is orphaned upstream (and there is no similar Debian version, or it was not taken over by some other group) then it will probably be closed INVALID/WONTFIX
[18:05] <quinda1> OK, thanks!
[18:05] <hggdh> quinda1: welcome, and thank you for helping
[18:06] <WeatherGod> hggdh, just had to read up on umask... I don't think the guy really understood what he was talking about
[18:07] <hggdh> WeatherGod: there are different views on what umask should be by default. On my personal laptop, it is set as 022 (and I have no problems with that)
[18:07] <hggdh> but on my servers, it is usually 077
[18:07] <WeatherGod> hmm, on Fedora 11, it is 002
[18:07] <hggdh> even more open...
[18:08] <WeatherGod> of course... we practice what we preach!
[18:08] <hggdh> yeah, until security trumps over ;-)
[18:08] <hggdh> brb
[18:14] <nigel_nb> hggdh: just read an interesting article, which says that is how etckeeper is supposed to behave http://daniel.hahler.de/track_changes_to_etc_configuration_files
[18:16] <micahg> etckeeper rocks
[18:16] <WeatherGod> !info etckeeper
[18:16] <ubot4> WeatherGod: etckeeper (source: etckeeper): store /etc in git, mercurial, bzr or darcs. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.38ubuntu1 (karmic), package size 29 kB, installed size 372 kB
[18:17] <WeatherGod> oh, sweet!
[18:17] <WeatherGod> I so need that for my servers
[18:17] <WeatherGod> does it support svn?
[18:17] <micahg> WeatherGod: it's made to keep a local repo
[18:17] <micahg> svn is centralized
[18:17] <WeatherGod> but, you can keep a local repo
[18:18] <micahg> in svn?  no, you need a server
[18:19] <WeatherGod> right... there is a daemon running to receive my URLs
[18:19] <WeatherGod> so, ok, I see the difference
[18:19] <WeatherGod> haven't used git yet
[18:21] <WeatherGod> I have a bluetooth mouse bug report, should that go against xserver-xorg-input-mouse, or bluez?
[18:22] <micahg> depends on the error
[18:22] <WeatherGod> stops responding if the computer goes idle
[18:22] <micahg> probably bluez
[18:23] <WeatherGod> ok
[18:24] <nigel_nb> micahg: etckeeper isn't that great if u want to use bzr at the same time
[18:24] <micahg> nigel_nb: etckeeper uses bzr by default in ubuntu
[18:25] <nigel_nb> micahg: no, I meant, if u want to use bzr for working with launchpad too, etckeeper gives problems
[18:25] <nigel_nb> just tried it out... it does
[18:25] <micahg> nigel_nb: no it doesn't
[18:25] <micahg> you have a bug then :)
[18:25] <WeatherGod> micahg, actually, looking at his XsessionErrors.txt file, I wonder if something else is the problem
[18:25] <micahg> I use it fine with my laptop and server and interact with LP
[18:26] <nigel_nb> huh
[18:26] <WeatherGod> bug 481824
[18:26] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 481824 in bluez "Bluetooth mouse stops working if computer is idle for too long" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/481824
[18:26] <nigel_nb> i just installed it on my vm machine and it gave me the same error as him
[18:26] <micahg> nigel_nb: bug #?
[18:26] <nigel_nb> bug 482189
[18:26] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 482189 in bzr "wrong permissions of .bazaar" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/482189
[18:28] <micahg> nigel_nb: a bug :)
[18:28] <nigel_nb> micahg: ;)
[18:28] <nigel_nb> micahg: but I suspect in packaging
[18:28] <micahg> yeah
[18:28] <micahg> etckeeper runs as root
[18:29] <micahg> shouldn't use the user's home dir
[18:29] <micahg> but I"m not sure if the bug should be in etckeeper or bzr
[18:30] <micahg> WeatherGod: idk
[18:31] <nigel_nb> definitely not bzr,
[18:31] <nigel_nb> its how etckeeper implements bzr
[18:31] <WeatherGod> ok, I'll leave it in bluez
[18:48] <nigel_nb> isn't bug 407405 a wishlist?
[18:48] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 407405 in network-manager-applet "nm-applet does not offer to restart NetworkManager if it crashed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/407405
[18:51] <hggdh> it is an etckeeper bug
[18:51] <mr_steve> nigel_nb, that's a papercuts bug isn't it? I think I looked at it earlier
[18:51] <nigel_nb> mr_steve: yes
[18:52] <mr_steve> makes sense as wishlist to me. I'm still learning the ropes though.
[18:54] <nigel_nb> hggdh: there was an earlier bug about same issue with etckeeper
[18:54] <nigel_nb> marked it as dup
[18:56] <hggdh> good call, nigel_nb
[18:57] <nigel_nb> hggdh: I was actually hunting for an upstream bug tracker
[18:57] <nigel_nb> and ended back to launchpad ;)
[18:57] <hggdh> I was wondering about it... keeping etckeeper's bzr config under the home dir has optential impacts on other (user-level) usages of bzr
[18:57] <nigel_nb> yep, thats what we witnessed
[18:58] <nigel_nb> it works, but u get funny messages
[18:59] <dacone> hggdh i filed a new LP that can be found searching for dvgrab in case you want to follow this subject. thanks for your help
[18:59] <hggdh> dacone: welcome
[18:59] <nigel_nb> hggdh: papercut bugs are wishlist?
[19:00] <hggdh> WeatherGod: re. bug 481825 -- I am unsure this would be on base-files. We have to find out what "add user GUI" is this the reporter is talking about
[19:00] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 481825 in base-files "Default umask is 777 for ALL users, even when not wanted" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/481825
[19:02] <WeatherGod> I am assuming it has to do with the gnome's add user gui
[19:03] <WeatherGod> also, I didn't move it to base-files, the people for gnome-system-tools did
[19:03] <WeatherGod> although, I thought that it was a bit hastey
[19:06] <hggdh> MIlan knows what he is talking about...
[19:07] <hggdh> also, the description of the bug is sort of flakey: the default permissions (i.e., umask) look more like 022 than 000
[19:08] <WeatherGod> I kinda figured that... either he was quick because he didn't want to deal with it or he actually knows
[19:08] <hggdh> (there is no write permission set for either group or others)
[19:08] <hggdh> he knows ;-)
[19:08] <WeatherGod> that's what I though
[19:08] <hggdh> he is the maintainer of g-s-t on b.g.o
[19:08] <WeatherGod> bgo?
[19:08] <hggdh> bugs.gnome.org
[19:09] <WeatherGod> ah
[19:09] <WeatherGod> well, that would make him something of an authority, huh?
[19:13] <bcurtiswx> no they aren't fixed... darn things
[19:18] <nigel_nb> about bug 466321
[19:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 466321 in software-center "After Ubuntu installation, nothing in universe is installable until package list is updated" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/466321
[19:18] <WeatherGod> oh?
[19:18] <nigel_nb> well... to a new user, it would seem very daunting
[19:18] <nigel_nb> saw your comments WeatherGod
[19:18] <WeatherGod> yes
[19:19] <WeatherGod> I am wondering if this got past testing because the testers are used to using Synaptics
[19:19] <nigel_nb> it might not, coz they update daily
[19:19] <nigel_nb> this is noticeable only on clean installs
[19:19] <nigel_nb> and for 24 hours
[19:20] <WeatherGod> I came across some similar reports where the users continued to claim that it wouldn't work
[19:20] <WeatherGod> which is why I asked my question
[19:21] <nigel_nb> it should be addressed anyhow
[19:21] <WeatherGod> yes, what is the cause of it?
[19:21] <nigel_nb> when i faced it and asked in support channels, they asked me to use add/remove
[19:21] <nigel_nb> the cause is that the cache update is not running on launch
[19:22] <WeatherGod> so, it isn't software-center in particular?
[19:22] <nigel_nb> unlike in add/remove
[19:22] <WeatherGod> sorry, of course it is software-center...
[19:23] <WeatherGod> you meant the launch of software-center
[19:23] <WeatherGod> duh
[19:24] <bossekr> need help with edit@bugs.launchpad.net; send this message http://pastie.org/697692 and waiting for respond or any change of the affected bugs
[19:24] <bossekr> how long will it place until launchpad process my email ?
[19:24] <WeatherGod> the problem with bugs like these is that people installing from a image still will have this problem unless the images are redone
[19:25] <hggdh> bossekr: first question, are you a member of bugcontrol?
[19:25] <hggdh> bug 419700
[19:25] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 419700 in bugzilla "package bugzilla3 3.2.0.1-1 failed to install/upgrade: ?????????? post-installation script ????????? ??? ?????? 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/419700
[19:26] <hggdh> bug 463215
[19:26] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 463215 in bugzilla "Bugzilla3 crashes out when it is end of installation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/463215
[19:27] <bossekr> hggdh, I do not know but thing not, because regestered at lauchpad as users is not enought to be bugcontrol member, is it ?
[19:28] <bossekr> ubot4, is this my email ?
[19:28] <ubot4> bossekr: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[19:28] <hggdh> bossekr: no, it is not. You cannot set Importance and status=triaged unless you are a bug-controller
[19:28] <hggdh> bossekr: also, an "in-progress" requires an assignee
[19:29] <bossekr> hggdh, I'm the debian maintainer of this package and would like to change the status for ubuntu
[19:29] <hggdh> bossekr: I thought you were the DD ;-)
[19:29] <bossekr> hggdh, hmm I hoped the assignee is set to my if the email address match
[19:30] <bossekr> hggdh, DD?
[19:30] <bossekr> hggdh, debien developer ?
[19:30] <hggdh> bossekr: PVT, if you do not mind?
[19:30] <bossekr> hggdh, how to contine here ?
[19:32] <mr_steve> Am I insane, or should bug #482245 be Invalid now that the OR solved it? He's fiddled with the status a few times.
[19:32] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 482245 in rhythmbox "Rhythmbox runs automatically by starting X session" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/482245
[19:35] <WeatherGod> I would mark it as invalid
[19:35] <WeatherGod> pedro originally invalidated it anyway
[19:36] <WeatherGod> the OR is the one who messed around with it
[19:37] <mr_steve> That's what I thought, i just had to double check, since I'm pretty new and have been awake for 30 hours or so..
[19:38] <hggdh> yes, it certainly should not be fix released
[19:38] <hggdh> user error
[19:39] <mr_steve> Well I've set it back to invalid, if he changes it I suppose I'll come up with a polite "please stop doing that"
[19:40] <hggdh> and explain why it is invalid instead of fix released
[19:40] <WeatherGod> maybe he didn't like be called an "Invalid"...
[19:41] <hggdh> with a link to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status
[19:49] <WeatherGod> can anyone confirm bug 482286?
[19:49] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 482286 in openoffice.org "OpenOffice Writer crashes when moving mouse over menu bars" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/482286
[19:49] <WeatherGod> sounds like a serious one, but I don't have my Karmic install available
[19:59] <etali> WeatherGod: Just tried that OO Writer bug, not happening here (updated this morning too, so should be running the same version as they are).
[20:00] <WeatherGod> ok, thanks... I'll ask him to reboot and double-check to see if he is completely updated
[20:00] <WeatherGod> maybe something happened with the java updates
[20:55] <WeatherGod> !info metacity
[20:55] <ubot4> WeatherGod: metacity (source: metacity): A lightweight GTK2 based Window Manager. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.28.0-0ubuntu1 (karmic), package size 260 kB, installed size 704 kB