[00:05] <gkahla> hey folks - is there a specific channel for ubuntu netbook remix?
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[00:41] <TheMuso> Intel need to release descrete cards, and ATI's lower end cards need to be cheaper.
[00:42] <TheMuso> woops wrong channel.
[00:42] <dtchen_> although it's just as true here ;-)
[00:44] <TheMuso> heh true that.
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[06:32] <pitti> Good morning
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[07:47] <huats> morning
[08:55] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[08:56] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson
[08:56] <chrisccoulson> hey pitti, how are you?
[08:57] <pitti> pretty good, thanks! how about you?
[08:58] <pitti> I need to do the packing for UDS today
[08:59] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'm not too bad. glad it's the weekend though :)
[09:00] <chrisccoulson> are you looking forward to next week?
[09:06] <chrisccoulson> i think i might have to start on lucid merges today!
[09:06] <chrisccoulson> at last :)
[09:07] <pitti> I do, of course
[09:07] <pitti> heh, have fun
[09:08] <pitti> chrisccoulson: next Tuesday is the next TB meeting, I hope we can finish the ubuntu-desktop upload rights voting then, and throw the switch
[09:09] <chrisccoulson> fantastic, that would be quite useful :)
[09:11] <chrisccoulson> ooh, breakfast time:)
[09:18] <pitti> *phew*, ubuntu inbox zero + 2 :)
[09:18] <pitti> some cleanup was in order before leaving tomorrow :)
[09:30] <pitti> I need to disappear for ~ 2 hours for some errands
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[13:12] <pitti> tseliot: congrats to your first lucid spec :)
[13:12] <pitti> tseliot: I handed https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-xorg-proprietary-drivers to you, which I think kind of fits your interests and skills?
[13:27] <tseliot> pitti: ok, I guess this will be part of my work for the Desktop team (for the team swap) in addition to my work on the boot process
[13:27] <pitti> tseliot: ah, you already earned some other project?
[13:27] <pitti> tseliot: so you'll work on the X.org side for smooth booting?
[13:28] <pitti> (let's discuss the details next week)
[13:28] <tseliot> pitti: yes, right
[13:28] <tseliot> I won't be there at the UDS but I can participate from home
[13:28]  * pitti yays at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJX8ZOMaol4
[13:28] <pitti> tseliot: oh, not? what a pity :(
[13:29] <tseliot> pitti: I'm buying a house therefore my presence is required here
[13:30] <tseliot> pitti: yes, that's what I'm working on with Keybuk
[13:32] <mvo> pitti: I remember there was a issue with g-d-u to overly agressive tell about disk failures, I wonder if bug #479086 is releated to that?
[13:32] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 479086 in update-manager "9.1 disk imminent crash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/479086
[13:34] <mvo> bug #438136 maybe?
[13:34] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 438136 in libatasmart "palimpsest bad sectors false positive" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/438136
[13:36] <pitti> mvo: right, the latter is still confirmed
[13:36] <mvo> ok, thanks
[14:05] <davmor2> pitti: that's just magic Keybuk was on about it at the launch party :)
[14:21] <Keybuk> davmor2: yes, but thanks to tseliot it works now ;)
[14:22] <davmor2> nice one tseliot
[14:25] <Keybuk> of course, still more bugs to fix
[14:26] <Keybuk> - flashing cursor over top of the image while X starts :-/
[14:26] <Keybuk> - plymouthd crashes and wipes out X (yeah, minor)
[14:26] <Keybuk> - if plymouthd is started before X, you can't vt switch out of X ever again (even after X finishes)
[14:26] <tseliot> yay :-P
[14:27] <pitti> oh, so plymouth then? I thought that was shelved for a while
[14:27] <Keybuk> actually, I think that last one is a "feature" :p
[14:27] <Keybuk> pitti: yeah, it just makes much more sense
[14:29]  * tseliot nods
[14:29] <tgpraveen> in karmic is it a known bug that hard disks and usb disks names appears as AC30au8995C59 or some code?
[14:32] <seb128> hello there
[14:32] <kenvandine> hey seb128
[14:32] <seb128> hi kenvandine
[14:32] <seb128> how are you?
[14:32] <kenvandine> good... preparing for the trip
[14:32] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[14:32] <kenvandine> how's dallas?
[14:32] <seb128> guten tag pitti
[14:32] <pitti> oh, I still need to pack, too
[14:32] <seb128> don't forget your swimming short
[14:33] <pitti> good point
[14:33]  * kenvandine thought it was kind of chilly in dallas
[14:34] <seb128> matter of perspective
[14:34] <seb128> weather is good enough to hand around in tshirt
[14:34] <seb128> where it's freezing in europe
[14:34] <seb128> dunno how it is from where you are coming
[14:34] <kenvandine> 47F
[14:35] <kenvandine> but it is going to be in the 70s tomorrow
[14:35]  * kenvandine is still wearing shorts :)
[14:44] <serialorder> i am merging tomboy and when I test it in schroot it gives me a warning that it could not load canberra-gtk-module because it is missing. It runs fine otherwise. I am wondering if I should add a depends on canberra-gtk-module?
[14:49] <seb128> serialorder, rather a recommend maybe? it's tomboy using it directly?
[14:51] <serialorder> i was thinking a recommend, i am not quite sure how to check if it is using it directly. I can fumble around and try to find out unless you know where i might look
[14:58] <seb128> serialorder, what is displaying the warning?
[14:58] <seb128> tomboy code?
[14:59] <Laney> serialorder: if you discover a problem please forward it to debian too
[14:59] <serialorder> seb128, no the package built fine and installed fine, the warning came when I actually ran tomboy
[14:59] <seb128> right
[15:00] <seb128> but it could be due to let's say gtk
[15:00] <serialorder> i mean it runs fine, i just got that warning
[15:00] <seb128> tomboy uses gtk which uses ...
[15:00] <seb128> right but we need to figure what call is triggering the warning
[15:02] <serialorder> thats the part i am not totally clear on figuring out how to do, so I am working on that part now
[15:21] <rickspencer3> hello asac
[15:21] <asac> hi rickspencer3
[15:33] <pitti> seb128: how's the conf center? AC madness again, or warm enough for T-shirts?
[15:33]  * pitti wonders what kind of clothing to pack
[15:37] <seb128> between those
[15:37] <seb128> better to have a small jacket
[15:37] <seb128> and it can get worse with the number of people
[15:39] <seb128> re
[15:40] <pitti> seb128: so, AC then?
[15:40] <seb128> pitti, got my reply?
[15:40] <pitti> seb128: I freeze easily, so I rather bring some pullovers then
[15:40] <pitti> seb128: merci
[15:40] <pitti> seb128: yes, I got it
[15:40] <seb128> between those
[15:40] <seb128>  better to have a small jacket
[15:40] <seb128>  and it can get worse with the number of people
[15:42] <seb128> I'm wearing a tshirt now but was cold yesterday afternoon
[15:42] <seb128> yes AC
[15:43] <corp186> I have a new package that acts as a server to accept remote input events (keyboard, mouse, joystick, etc.) from clients
[15:43] <corp186> I'm looking for advocates for inclusion into lucid
[15:44] <corp186> The revu page: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=7025
[15:44] <corp186> Thanks for your consideration
[15:44] <seb128> ok
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[15:48] <pitti> seb128, kenvandine:
[15:48] <kenvandine> hey pitti
[15:48] <pitti> http://www.wetter.com/wetter_aktuell/wettervorhersage/7_tagesvorhersage/?id=US0TX0325 says that it was quite warm this week, but next week it's going to be much colder/rainy
[15:49] <pitti> :-(
[15:50] <kenvandine> http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/USTX0327?from=36hr_topnav_undeclared
[15:50] <kenvandine> i bit different forecast
[15:51] <kenvandine> shows mostly sunny all week
[15:53] <seb128> we are going to locked inside anyway
[15:53] <seb128> we are going to locked inside anyway so the weather...
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[16:12] <didrocks> hum, people are reporting libgtk being uninstalable on lucid against the Quickly project (not even the package O_o) Don't know how they came there :)
[16:17] <rickspencer3> didrocks, bug #?
[16:18] <didrocks> bug #482192
[16:18] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 482192 in quickly "[Lucid] unmet dependencies in libgtk" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/482192
[16:18] <hggdh> best site for weather in the US is noaa.gov
[16:19] <hggdh> for Dallas: http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Dallas&state=TX&site=FWD&textField1=32.7942&textField2=-96.7652&e=0
[16:19] <didrocks> rickspencer3: are you planning making some slides for the Quickly plenary session? I would merge mine if possible
[16:20] <rickspencer3> didrocks, I have them, yes
[16:21] <mpt_> mvo, YokoZar suggested a UDS session on handling multiarch packages in the Ubuntu Software Center. Do you think it's important enough for a session?
[16:38] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson: do you have any documentation about new suspend inhibition api?
[16:38] <chrisccoulson> kklimonda - i don't have any
[16:38] <chrisccoulson> how come?
[16:38] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson: well - people are complaining that transmission wasn't ported to the new API and suspend inhibition doesn't work in ubuntu 9.10/fedora 12
[16:40] <baptistemm> ah yeah I seen that in the outpt of transmission
[16:40] <baptistemm> I guess the new api is provided by gnome-session, no?
[16:40] <kklimonda> yes
[16:41] <baptistemm> it should be straightforward, rb had a smae patch few weeks ago
[16:41] <chrisccoulson> kklimonda - it just needs to call org.gnome.SessionManager.Inhibit()
[16:41] <chrisccoulson> the "flags" parameter should be set to 4 for suspend inhibit
[16:41] <chrisccoulson> or 8 for idle inhibit
[16:42] <chrisccoulson> or 1 for logout inhibit
[16:42] <chrisccoulson> and it needs to save the cookie for uninhibiting later on
[16:42] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson
[16:42] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128
[16:42] <seb128> how are things going?
[16:42] <seb128> still no baby?
[16:42] <chrisccoulson> yeah, not too bad thanks. i'm finished for the weekend now
[16:42] <chrisccoulson> no baby yet ;)
[16:42] <chrisccoulson> how are you?
[16:43] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson: so what's different?
[16:43] <seb128> good thanks
[16:43] <chrisccoulson> kklimonda - different to what?
[16:43] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - hows dallas?
[16:43] <seb128> not sure
[16:43] <seb128> I've mainly seen the hotel and restaurants
[16:44] <baptistemm> did you see bobby Ewing ?
[16:44] <seb128> hard to judge a city from the corner where you are hanging
[16:44] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson: to the way now it works - was it only moved from org.freedesktop.Power... to org.gnome.SessionManager?
[16:44] <seb128> but sprint is good ;-)
[16:44] <baptistemm> chrisccoulson, ah you're expecting baby arrival soon?
[16:44] <chrisccoulson> baptistemm - i am:)
[16:44] <baptistemm> oooh oho ho
[16:45] <baptistemm> you can say bye bye to your free time :)
[16:45] <chrisccoulson> kklimonda - the only difference is the API is slightly different, and you need to talk to gnome-session rather than g-p-m
[16:45] <baptistemm> You'll be happy to go to work to have some sleep
[16:45] <baptistemm> :)
[16:45] <chrisccoulson> baptistemm - i already have no free time ;)
[16:45] <chrisccoulson> i need the day extending to 28 hours ;)
[16:45] <chrisccoulson> or only go to work for 4 hours/day
[16:46] <chrisccoulson> (the latter sounds better)
[16:48] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson: ok, thanks
[16:49] <chrisccoulson> kklimonda - let me know if you need any other help
[17:05] <baptistemm> kklimonda, have you the nick belegdol on GIMPnet because someone ask the same question than you on #fedora-desktop there :)
[17:06] <kklimonda> baptistemm: yes - he just asked the same question on #transmission ;)
[17:06] <kklimonda> baptistemm: and it reminded me about this issue
[17:08] <baptistemm> k
[17:43] <mvo> mpt_: a good question, I'm not sure apt will be able to handle them properly for lucid
[17:43] <seb128> hey mvo
[17:43] <seb128> mvo, don't forget to take your swimming short
[17:44] <mvo> hey seb128
[17:44] <mvo> seb128: heh :) thanks!
[17:44] <mvo> seb128: is the pool nice? inside? outside?
[17:45] <mvo> seb128: do I need a warm coat in general? or is the weather warm
[17:45] <mpt_> mvo, it's up to you, if you think it's worth a UDS session talk to robbiew :-)
[17:45] <seb128> mvo, the pool is nice yes
[17:45] <seb128> outside
[17:45] <seb128> but warm water
[17:45] <mvo> mpt_: thanks, I will keep it in mind
[17:45] <seb128> some 15 metres
[17:45] <seb128> enough to swim ;-)
[17:45] <seb128> weather, ac is cold sometime in the rooms
[17:45] <seb128> outside is limit between tshirt and frisky
[17:46] <seb128> but they announce a bit colder next week
[17:46] <seb128> nothing like germany
[17:46] <seb128> but still take a small jacket
[17:46] <seb128> or a pullover
[17:46] <seb128> take some vegetables too with you maybe ;-)
[17:50] <mvo> seb128: haha
[17:50] <mpt_> mvo, I'm fairly sure software-center trunk doesn't include some bug-fixes nzmm made to the behavior of the pathbutton widget
[17:50]  * seb128 hugs mvo
[17:51] <mpt_> mvo, specifically, it doesn't do the right thing if you drag off a segment and then back on to it without releasing the mouse button, and I think nzmm's branch had fixed that
[17:56] <mvo> mpt_: hm, ok. let me check
[17:59] <mvo> mpt_: merged
[17:59] <mpt_> mvo, awesome, thanks
[18:00] <mpt_> mvo, I'm working right now on improving the program listing design (getting rid of the right arrow button), and then on where to put non-application packages
[18:01] <mvo> mpt_: ok, I will be in dallas tomorrow, I'm curious to hear your ideas
[18:01] <mpt_> mvo, rather unfortunate to discover that someone installing 9.10 can't install anything with the Ubuntu Software Center unless they install updates (or run Synaptic) first :-/
[18:02] <mpt_> mvo, ok, look forward to seeing you :-)
[18:02] <mvo> mpt_: hm, this got tested, is it true for all situations. or only under some circumstance (like no network during install or similar)?
[18:03] <mpt_> mvo, I don't know whether it's dependent on connection, but we saw it here at the sprint with sabdfl installing 9.10, and there have been a few bug reports and tweets about it too
[18:04] <mvo> :(
[18:04] <mpt_> mvo, bug 466321
[18:04] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 466321 in software-center "After Ubuntu installation, nothing is installable until package list is updated" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/466321
[18:04] <mpt_> mvo, it might actually be a duplicate of 430200, you'd know that better than me
[18:04] <mpt_> bug 430200, I mean
[18:04] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 430200 in software-center "does not support detecting if apt cache is broken" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/430200
[18:05] <mvo> well, cache should not be broken after a fresh install
[18:05] <mvo> :(
[18:05] <mvo> mpt_: first update or first cronjob run?
[18:05] <mpt_> don't know
[18:06] <mpt_> but it was fixed as soon as sabdfl went into Synaptic and hit Reload
[18:07] <mvo> mpt_: I find it hard to believe that this slipped through the cracks if it did not for for anyone, let me test here
[18:07] <mpt_> mvo, I find it quite easy to believe, since testers would routinely install all updates before testing anything else :-)
[18:08] <mvo> mpt_: do you happen to know if it was a desktop or a alternate install?
[18:08] <mpt_> mvo, desktop
[18:09] <mvo> thanks
[18:09] <mvo> mpt_: *oh* nothing or no universe packages?
[18:10] <mpt_> mvo, hmmmm, good question. It might only be for Universe.
[18:10] <mvo> mpt_: because I think its actually a problem with the live cd
[18:10] <mvo> mpt_: it does not have universe enabled, so there are no packages in the cache for universe on a fresh install, that is a plausible theory
[18:10]  * mvo tests it
[18:10] <mpt_> mvo, the packages show up in the listing, it's just the "Install" and "Website" buttons that are missing
[18:11]  * mvo nods
[18:13] <mpt_> ah, I see what you mean
[18:13] <mpt_> The universe packages might be in app-install-data but not in the cache
[18:13] <mvo> mpt_: exaclty
[18:15] <mvo> mpt_: hm,hm, but then, I *think* when the langpack stuff is triggered ubiquity does a cache reload, so it might be only networkless installs
[18:15] <mvo> mpt_: but this is speculation, I need to test to be sure
[18:15] <mpt_> mvo, so it might not be worth fixing this until after we replace app-install-data with the archive index
[18:16] <pitti> bye everyone! see you in Dallas tomorrow!
[18:16] <mpt_> mvo, we can't fix it in an update for 9.10, because anyone who installs any update is no longer having the problem anyway
[18:16] <pitti> (or some of you in Frankfurt perhaps)
[18:16] <mpt_> mvo, and with the archive index if the bug still exists it would need to be fixed in a different way.
[18:17] <mvo> mpt_: hm, right, shipping a update is no good
[18:18] <mvo> mpt_: still, we need to fix it for lucid
[18:18] <mpt_> yep
[18:18] <mvo> and for the repo based ones, it will be a similar problem, if sources.list contains stuff but we don't have data for it we need to trigger a reload
[18:19] <seb128> pitti, see you
[18:19] <seb128> pitti, have a safe trip there!
[18:33] <mvo> mpt_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/livecd-rootfs/+bug/105511
[18:33] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 105511 in livecd-rootfs "Universe and Multiverse not enabled by default on the livecd" [Wishlist,Triaged]
[18:34] <mvo> mpt_: that is the root cause
[18:34] <mpt_> waha, disk space
[18:34] <mpt_> should have guessed :-)
[18:38] <mac_v> seb128: around? , I'm again faced by this bug > Bug #416251 , it seemed solved for a month and now its back... other users are also reporting the same problems , could you re-open the upstream task also?
[18:38] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 416251 in nautilus "Nautilus does not show Desktop thumbnails" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/416251
[18:39] <mvo> mpt_: I'm sure it printed something helpful like "not available in current data" :( I can reproduce the problem now I think
[18:39] <mac_v> this now not restricted to desktop.. the thumbnails for images/videos dont even show up in the folders
[18:40]  * mvo need to go pack his stuff
[18:40] <pedro_> mac_v, comment on the upstream bug and i'll re open it for you
[18:40] <mac_v> pedro_: will do... thanks :)
[18:41] <pedro_> you're welcome
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[18:53] <mac_v> pedro_: nevermind...I just realized that i had started the upstream bug and i reopened it myself... sorry for the noise ;)
[18:56] <pedro_> mac_v, no worries, i've updated the version number for you there
[18:58] <mac_v> ah , right.. i forgot that :)
[20:03] <seb128> re
[20:03] <seb128> kenvandine, I reassigned bug #462768 to the desktop team now
[20:03] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 462768 in gnome-session "gnome-session-properties should filter by NoDisplay" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/462768
[20:04] <seb128> kenvandine, it's waiting in the sponsor queue and since you can't upload anyway
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[20:08] <kenvandine> yay
[20:08]  * kenvandine needs to stop messing with mission critical boxes right before going out of town :)
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