[06:54] <dholbach> soren, jpds, nhandler, nixternal, persia: around?
[06:55] <soren> dholbach: Honestly, yes. But very, very much on my way to bed.
[06:55] <dholbach> hey geser
[06:55]  * soren has been on the road for 22 hours.. Needs sleep.
[06:56] <dholbach> right :)
[06:56]  * ScottK needs to get to bed too, so let's make this quick ....
[06:56]  * dholbach texts jpds
[06:57] <soren> I haven't a coherent thought in my head, so I'll spare you all my nonsense, and go to bed. G'night, all.
[06:57] <diwic> soren: Just vote "yes" for me first ;-)
[06:57] <soren> What is this meeting anyway?
[06:57] <soren> I thought it was a "Thursday afternoon" week.
[06:57] <dholbach> MC
[06:58] <maco> soren: thats 4th week
[06:58] <soren> Not a "Friday morning" week.
[06:58] <soren> Ah.
[07:00] <dholbach> is Scott Howard here?
[07:00] <dholbach> dobey does not seem to be around
[07:01] <nixternal> yo yo
[07:01] <dholbach> hey nixternal!
[07:01] <nixternal> howdy!
[07:01] <maco> hi nixternal
[07:01] <dholbach> I texted jpds and he said he'd definitely be there and persia, too, said he had no trouble making the meeting
[07:02] <persia> Indeed, I didn't
[07:02] <dholbach> excellent
[07:02] <dholbach> persia, nixternal, geser: anybody of you wants to drive the meeting today?
[07:02] <persia> I'll drive
[07:02] <persia> #startmeeting
[07:02] <dholbach> super
[07:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 01:02. The chair is persia.
[07:02] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[07:02] <persia> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Council/Meeting
[07:02] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Council/Meeting
[07:03] <persia> [TOPIC] MOTU Application of Mackenzie Morgan (maco)
[07:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  MOTU Application of Mackenzie Morgan (maco)
[07:03] <persia> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacoMorgan/MOTUApp
[07:03] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacoMorgan/MOTUApp
[07:03] <maco> hi
[07:04] <persia> maco: So, how do you feel about your application?
[07:05] <maco> Was scared a bit ago because I hadn't done a merge before and figured that was an automatic "no" but I just did one (ScottK uploaded it)
[07:05] <nixternal> lol
[07:05] <maco> so slightly less scared now ;)
[07:05] <ScottK> (it built on all archs, btw)
[07:05] <nixternal> you went from low hanging fruit right into the storm of packaging :)
[07:05] <dholbach> maco seems to be a pragmatic problem solver :)
[07:06] <persia> maco: Well, that's related to my first question: https://launchpad.net/~maco.m/+related-software doesn't seem to have as many entries as we sometimes see.  Have you been working more in depth in areas, or are your contributions often found elsewhere?
[07:06] <dholbach> maco: which of the patches you worked on you enjoyed the most?
[07:07] <maco> persia: there were a handful of patches that instead of being done as individual debdiffs, Riddell took and merged into bzr then generated uploads with them rolled in
[07:08] <dholbach> (it wouldn't be the first time when the /+related-software page is lying :-))
[07:08]  * ScottK can +1 maco's involvement with patches for Kubuntu.
[07:08] <dholbach> maco: which of the patches you worked on you enjoyed the most?
[07:08] <persia> (no +related-software lies a lot, which is why I ask)
[07:09] <nixternal> maco: my question is this, how come you haven't done any merges until just now? have you done any sync requests? why did you decide to merge aoetools, and how did you fix the conflict in regards to aoetools.init?
[07:09] <maco> dholbach: sorry, mouse went fubar so im navigating firefox with the tab key ;)
[07:09]  * nixternal can +1 maco's Kubuntu patches as well, as well as her upstream KDE patches
[07:09] <dholbach> persia: alright :)
[07:10] <maco> nixternal: i was going to try a merge a couple weeks ago but i didnt claim it in advance and someone else uploaded it before me, then i got busy with school
[07:10] <nixternal> persia: quite a bit of her packaging work gets merged into larger commits within Kubuntu where the ol' [Maco] tag doesn't cut it in the changelog
[07:10] <maco> dholbach: oh gjiten was a fun one to figure out
[07:10] <persia> nixternal: I figured: from what I can tell, quite a lot of Kubuntu work in general happens that way
[07:10] <nixternal> that list should also include pretty much all of the major kde base packages
[07:11] <maco> yeah kate, kdepim, -workspace....
[07:12] <maco> nixternal: and why aoetools was because i was talking to stevenk and said it was my first one and he suggested that would be a not-too-evil one for a first-try
[07:12] <dholbach> maco: looking back at your "motu journey", what should have been easier?
[07:12] <maco> is quilt a fair answer?
[07:13] <diwic> maco: +1 lol
[07:13] <maco> last uds i decided "no applying to motu til i can use quilt"
[07:13] <dholbach> maco: totally agreed - anything else?
[07:14] <nixternal> heh, I still use my quilt cheat sheet every time I use quilt :)
[07:14] <ajmitch> don't we all?
[07:14] <nixternal> probably
[07:14] <persia> maco: You say that you'd like to work to improve integration between gtk-based packages and KDE (or, possibly Qt-based packages and GNOME).  What specific areas do you think are in most need of improement for this integration?
[07:17] <maco> persia: occasionally different services stomp on each other. the most annoying one i recall was gpg-agent and seahorse-agent getting mixed up and preventing signing emails in kmail in kde. switching from evolution to kontact could certainly be *much* easier though, so i'd kind of like to work on a script or something to make such importing easier
[07:18] <nixternal> I can say that I have uploaded patches and what not for Kubuntu and I believe KDE as well for maco and have yet to have a problem...everything has been good work, though like everyone else, she could be a bit more confident in herself, but at the same time, her cautious ways have helped her create uploadable patches/packages on the first time
[07:18] <maco> dholbach: documentation. i bug ScottK a *lot* with questions
[07:18] <nixternal> and me :p
[07:18] <nixternal> well, I have been gone a bit, so that helps :D
[07:18] <dholbach> maco: then we should definitely start taking notes of what questions get asked mostly
[07:19]  * dholbach doesn't have any more questions
[07:19] <nixternal> dholbach: mutt and search helps with that as well :)
[07:19] <persia> ScottK: You say in your endorsement that you've discussed a number of things with maco that you didn't end up sponsoring.  Were these instances of questions asked, or instances of stuff in the sponsorship queue that was not yet ready to upload?
[07:19] <ScottK> persia: Questions along the way.
[07:19] <nixternal> probably cuz ScottK would point then run like he does sometimes :)
[07:19] <ScottK> Probably.
[07:20] <ScottK> Busy doing stuff that nixternal had promised and not done.
[07:20] <persia> geser: soren nixternal more questions?
[07:20]  * nixternal notes "the teenager is playing with my laptop again" is getting old as an excuse :p
[07:20] <nixternal> persia: I am good
[07:20] <nixternal> ScottK: damn, I tried to not use that excuse :)
[07:21] <geser> no questions
[07:21]  * persia decides to trust soren> I haven't a coherent thought in my head, so I'll spare you all my nonsense, and go to bed. G'night, all.
[07:21] <nixternal> heh, g'nite persia
[07:21] <persia> [VOTE] Mackenzie Morgan to become MOTU
[07:21] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Mackenzie Morgan to become MOTU.
[07:21] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[07:21] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[07:22] <dholbach> +1
[07:22] <MootBot> +1 received from dholbach. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[07:22] <nixternal> +1
[07:22] <persia> +1
[07:22] <MootBot> +1 received from nixternal. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[07:22] <MootBot> +1 received from persia. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[07:22] <geser> +1
[07:22] <MootBot> +1 received from geser. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[07:22] <persia> [ENDVOTE]
[07:22] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[07:22] <dholbach> congratulations maco! welcome to the team! :)
[07:22] <maco> :D
[07:22] <maco> yay thank you!
[07:22] <ScottK> maco: Congrat
[07:22] <nixternal> congrats maco and welcome! now get to merging!
[07:22] <ScottK> s
[07:22] <wgrant> maco: Congrats.
[07:22] <maco> nixternal: hehe or sponsoring?
[07:22]  * maco hugs everybody
[07:22]  * persia doesn't see dobey about
[07:23] <jussi01> congrats maco!
[07:23]  * dholbach hugs maco back
[07:23] <persia> [TOPIC] MOTU Application of Charlie Smotherman (porthose)
[07:23] <MootBot> New Topic:  MOTU Application of Charlie Smotherman (porthose)
[07:24] <dholbach> persia: Per-package upload, iirc
[07:24] <dholbach> "I, Charlie Smotherman, apply for upload rights for packages Quickplay, Upnp-Inspector and Pylirc."
[07:24] <persia> Err, right
[07:24] <dholbach> but let's move on :)
[07:24] <dholbach> porthose_: around? :)
[07:24] <persia> [TOPIC] PPU Application of Charlie Smotherman (porthose)
[07:24] <MootBot> New Topic:  PPU Application of Charlie Smotherman (porthose)
[07:24] <porthose_> hello MC :)
[07:24] <dholbach> hey porthose_, how are you doing?
[07:24] <porthose_> great yourself
[07:24]  * nixternal likes porthose_'s app, I always think of "Meet the Fockers"
[07:25] <dholbach> porthose_: a bit tired to be honest :)
[07:25] <dholbach> but alright
[07:25] <dholbach> porthose_: don't you have upload rights for some packages already?
[07:25] <porthose_> me to really late here
[07:25] <porthose_> yes coherence, ampache and ampache-themes
[07:26] <persia> Yeah, I'm also trying to dig up the records for the last time.
[07:26] <porthose_> quickplay, upnp-inspector and pylirc are additional packages I maintain or co-maintain in debian :)
[07:26] <dholbach> porthose_: this question is not meant to be super-serious but what is your threshold for applying for motu instead of getting more upload rights for specific packages? :-)
[07:27] <persia> porthose_: You seem to be active with quite a number of other packagse as well, based on https://launchpad.net/~cjsmo/+related-software
[07:27]  * nixternal was just wondering the same as dholbach 
[07:28] <porthose_> I was going to see how thing go in lucid and then maybe apply :) Unless I should now?
[07:28] <persia> porthose_: Well, tell us your reasoning, and we'll let you know :)
[07:28] <persia> porthose_: To put that differently, what do you think you need to do to apply for MOTU?
[07:28] <porthose_> I feel more confident with my own packages and not so much with other peoples
[07:29] <persia> How do you feel about other people changing the packages you describe as "my own packages"?
[07:30] <porthose_> persia, I don't mind if other improve the packages I care for
[07:30] <porthose_> s/other/others
[07:31] <dholbach> porthose_: do you have plans for caring for more packages? anything you're looking at right now?
[07:32] <porthose_> Yes, I have been conversing with the upstream of buddi, and thinking of possible packaging it :)
[07:33] <persia> porthose_: And do you expect that more packages will end up needing a bit of help in your work on the packages you pay attention to now?
[07:34] <porthose_> persia, I have been taking on packages only when I am confident I have time to care for it.  I try not to let any of the other packages I care for to be neglected
[07:36] <persia> Well, I'm done with questions for a PPU application.
[07:36] <persia> dholbach: nixternal geser ?
[07:37] <dholbach> porthose_: anything that you still find difficult or what makes you less confident with some packages?
[07:37] <nixternal> I don't have any questions relating to technical stuff since I am confident porthose_ knows what he is doing, and the questions dholbach and persia asked reflected my thoughts already
[07:37] <dholbach> (anything specific you can think of?)
[07:38] <geser> no questions which hasn't been asked already
[07:38] <porthose_> dholbach, I still find merges a bit difficult, but I am working on them
[07:39] <dholbach> they can get hairy, but it's good you're pushing yourself "out there" :)
[07:39] <dholbach> that's it from me, done with questions
[07:39] <porthose_> :)
[07:39] <persia> [VOTE] Recommend Charlie Smotherman (porthose) for PPU rights to quickplay, upnp-inspector, and pylirc
[07:39] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Recommend Charlie Smotherman (porthose) for PPU rights to quickplay, upnp-inspector, and pylirc.
[07:39] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[07:39] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[07:39] <persia> +1
[07:39] <MootBot> +1 received from persia. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[07:40] <dholbach> +1
[07:40] <MootBot> +1 received from dholbach. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[07:40] <nixternal> +1
[07:40] <MootBot> +1 received from nixternal. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[07:40] <geser> +1
[07:40] <MootBot> +1 received from geser. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[07:40] <persia> [ENDVOTE]
[07:40] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[07:40] <dholbach> congratulations porthose_! :)
[07:41] <porthose_> Thank you MC  :)
[07:41] <persia> porthose_: I do hope we'll see an application with a wider scope next time :)  Just asking for uploads to stuff you maintain in Debian when you're otherwise so active in Ubuntu seems hardly worth a meeting.
[07:41] <nixternal> congrats again porthose_ :)
[07:42] <persia> [TOPIC] Contributing Developer application for David Henningsson (diwic)
[07:42] <MootBot> New Topic:  Contributing Developer application for David Henningsson (diwic)
[07:42] <porthose_> persia, My next application will be for MOTU
[07:42] <persia> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Diwic/DeveloperApplication
[07:42] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Diwic/DeveloperApplication
[07:42] <diwic> good morning
[07:42] <dholbach> hey diwic, how are you?
[07:42] <persia> diwic: Good morning.  How do you feel about your application today?
[07:43] <diwic> dholbach: Compared to others in here, I'm alert, sharp, and ready for a new day :-)
[07:43] <diwic> persia: It feels good
[07:44] <diwic> persia: I was happy to get good sponsor comments
[07:45] <dholbach> diwic: I just had a brief look at the work you've been doing - I'm happy you like messing around with the audio world... what's still the biggest problems for you personally three?
[07:47] <diwic> dholbach: personally? Well, I still have things to learn to get to know the audio stack in detail, so I can fix the really hard bugs.
[07:48] <dholbach> sure, so there's nothing particular you're staring at... audio-wise... now? :)
[07:49] <diwic> dholbach: hmm...I have almost finished https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems/KarmicCaveats and in the weekend I'm planning to write an apport hook for audacity
[07:50] <dholbach> diwic: nice
[07:50]  * dholbach 's done with questions
[07:50] <persia> diwic: Other than bug and development work, do you contribute to Ubuntu in other ways?
[07:51] <nixternal> diwic: you state you have 1/2 things in fluidsynth in Debian that needs to be fixed..have you fixed them yet? if not, how long have they gone unfixed and why haven't they been fixed yet?
[07:51] <diwic> nixternal: one of them will be fixed with the next release of FluidSynth, which is underway
[07:52] <diwic> nixternal: the other one is a release to Debian stable so it feels a bit scary ;-)
[07:55] <diwic> persia: that would be a little documentation perhaps, but mostly bug and development work
[07:56] <nixternal> I have no more questions...great feedback!
[07:57] <persia> geser: ?
[07:57] <diwic> persia: I'm also answer contact for audacity / fluidsynth / qarecord
[07:57] <nixternal> just returned from my heart attack....a damn audio file I clicked on about an hour ago started playing with the speakers cranked
[07:57] <geser> still no questions
[07:58] <nixternal> i love it when that happens, all troubleshooting skills go out the window as you look around dumbfounded trying to figure out what the hell to do first
[07:58] <persia> [VOTE] David Henningsson [diwic] to become a Contributing Developer
[07:58] <MootBot> Please vote on:  David Henningsson [diwic] to become a Contributing Developer.
[07:58] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[07:58] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[07:58] <dholbach> +1
[07:58] <MootBot> +1 received from dholbach. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[07:58] <nixternal> +1
[07:58] <MootBot> +1 received from nixternal. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[07:58] <persia> +1
[07:58] <MootBot> +1 received from persia. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[07:59] <geser> +1
[07:59] <MootBot> +1 received from geser. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[07:59] <persia> [ENDVOTE]
[07:59] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[07:59] <nixternal> congrats diwic \o/
[07:59] <dholbach> congratulations diwic! :-)
[07:59] <diwic> thanks! :-)
[07:59] <persia> Anyone have anything else we need to consider today?
[07:59] <dholbach> Is there any Rodney Dawes or Scott Howard here?
[07:59]  * diwic hugs everybody
[08:00] <dholbach> then I guess we should
[08:00] <dholbach>  * Decide who is going to Updating process approved applications.
[08:00] <dholbach>  * Update MOTU/Headers/NextMCMeeting.
[08:00] <dholbach>  * Update our team report: MOTU/Council/TeamReport
[08:00] <dholbach> :-)
[08:00] <nixternal> dholbach: that is under fixed items
[08:00] <persia> Yes, but that's what we do at the end :)
[08:01] <persia> So,
[08:01] <maco> diwic: congrats :)
[08:01] <persia> [TOPIC] Decide who is going to Updating process approved applications.
[08:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Decide who is going to Updating process approved applications.
[08:01] <persia> Any volunteers?
[08:01]  * nixternal notes it is 02:01 here and is going to go to bed
[08:01]  * dholbach can do it
[08:01] <persia> dholbach: Thanks!
[08:01] <persia> [TOPIC] Update MOTU/Headers/NextMCMeeting.
[08:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Update MOTU/Headers/NextMCMeeting.
[08:01] <persia> I'll do this one
[08:01] <persia> [TOPIC] Update our team report: MOTU/Council/TeamReport
[08:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Update our team report: MOTU/Council/TeamReport
[08:02] <persia> anyone?
[08:04] <dholbach> we should probably add "reference meeting log on MC Meeting page" to the fixed items too
[08:04]  * dholbach does that
[08:04] <persia> I've got the page locked :)
[08:04] <dholbach> can you add it? :)
[08:05] <persia> Yep, I'm also cleaning up the agenda.
[08:05] <dholbach> great
[08:05] <dholbach> I'll take care of the rest
[08:05] <dholbach> and somebody else does it next time! :)
[08:05] <persia> I'll do the team report if nobody else wants to, but I'd rather not, as it ought be done when we can link to the emails for the processing.
[08:05] <persia> Cool!.
[08:05] <persia> #endmeeting
[08:05] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 02:05.
[08:06] <nixternal> g'nite all and congrats to all of the new members!
[08:06] <dholbach> nixternal: sleep tight
[08:07] <diwic> nixternal: thanks!