[00:20] ScottK: I don't think I will be joining over 20 channels my computer screen is too small :) [00:20] shtylman_: OK. [00:56] apachelogger: hehe [00:57] apachelogger: And so I did anyway [01:01] Ok, seriously. Apport is still spewing out retraces for crashers reported on release day :< [01:02] apport is not very fast,is it? [01:02] I find new ways to hate it each day [01:14] * txwikinger thinks the UDS schedule application is confusing [01:32] JontheEchidna: It should be turned off now. [01:33] these are backed-up reports being marked as reported the 30th of october [01:34] some people still seem to have apport enabled, as some do with every release, but this is different. [01:35] Yeah, it got left on post-release by accident for a few days, IIRC. [01:36] those people aren't using Pre-Release Updates, I guess [01:36] apport (1.9.3-0ubuntu4.1) karmic-proposed * Add debian/apport.preinst: Clean up after update-manager erroneously enabling Apport [01:37] update-manager (1:0.126.9) karmic-proposed * DistUpgrade/DistUpgrade.cfg: - really stop enabling apport during the upgrade (LP: #465619) [01:40] ScottK: Am I supposed to subscribe to the blueprints associated to the sessions I want to attend at UDS? [01:40] txwikinger: Yes. [01:41] Ah.. I think some of the links (for kubuntu sessions) in the scheduler are leading nowhere [01:42] You need to find the blueprings.launchpad.net link. Some of them are linked to wiki pages and that doesn't help. [01:42] txwikinger: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuLucidSpecs [01:42] That should take care of things. [01:42] Can I see my personal schedule somewhere? [01:43] * ScottK doesn't recall. [01:44] * ScottK uses the main pages linked off of http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-l/ [01:46] Yeah.. I have found that.. but I don't think I can really see very well where I am supposed to be at any time [01:46] and at which times I have nothing yet [01:48] Just to increase the fun factor, there's a bug in the system and some sessions (at least one I found) are double booked in the same room and the second one doesn't show at all. [02:16] ScottK: Hilarious [02:19] * txwikinger puts his stuff into a calendar file in Kontact [02:25] http://summit.ubuntu.com/media/lifestream.html is still set for Karmic UDS [02:27] txwikinger: the sessions you subscribe for should be a darker color in the day view... [02:27] iirc [02:28] txwikinger: also, I wouldn't get to hung up on planning all days in advance... I usually do that the night before as new things are always added. And if they do what they did last year (I hope) there will be a projector with the schedule for that day easily accessible [02:29] The reason to subscribe is so that when they shuffle the schedule, they can try not to double book you. [02:29] right [02:30] most deff subscribe to what you really want [02:50] if I add libpulse-dev to build-dep in kdemultimedia, kmix installation complains about package libpulse-mainloop-glib0 is not installed [02:51] I should add to depends or don't we want it? [02:53] We don't want it. [02:53] perfect, done, thanks :) [03:00] shtylman_: Yeah.. I am not too hung up [03:00] Just want to get a head start [03:00] * txwikinger is excited to go back home :D [03:12] cool [03:17] evenig :) [03:31] hey rgreening [04:52] whats EOL for Kubuntu hardy? [04:54] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/RC/Kubuntu says that Kubuntu Hardy will not be LTS, and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubuntu says EOL for Kubuntu Hardy is 2009-10 but my repositories are working fine [05:02] lokpest: The actual EOL announcement hasn't gone out yet. Since other packages are not at EOL, the repos will still be there, just Kubuntu stuff won't be supported anymore. [05:03] You can still install KDE from the Dapper repos, but I wouldn't recommend using it. [05:03] ok, I thought the EOL was going to be last month... [05:03] I think they are trying to figure out exactly what EOL for Kubuntu, but not Ubuntu means. [05:03] kde-things still works to install here, that why I started to wonder [05:04] aha.. [05:04] I suspect the whole Karmic release was a little distracting too. [05:04] * lokpest should just get a grip on himslf and move to karmic [05:05] I confess I have a Dapper desktop I haven't gotten around to updating. [05:06] * ScottK is very careful how it gets used, however. [05:06] but since I intend to do a fresh install, repartion my drives and switch to ext4 it means a lot of personal data saving... [05:07] but I tried karmic and KDE4 seemed good enough to move to at least [05:08] just some nuiances that some apps where switched [05:08] like Konversation... [05:08] I mean... its like the best irc-client ever [05:17] It's still available. [05:24] JontheEchidna: your now extended chans [08:20] bbigras: the bug will get a comment when motu-sru ack it. it may help to poke the motu-sru people on IRC [09:36] JontheEchidna: about bug 482520, it sais package from Jaunty main, but the guy is using Karmic... [09:36] Launchpad bug 482520 in amarok "alarm in amarok 1.4 wont install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/482520 [09:36] invalid, no? We do not support that anymore, or am I wrong? [09:37] especially since he talks about the Alarm script, which is third party anyway [09:37] * Mamarok goes to close that [10:03] good morning! [10:30] Hello, I upgraded from JJ to KK (thanks devs, KDE seems to be running really better) but Kaffeine seems to produce segfaults. Unfortunately ti lacks backtraces, so I would like to recompile it with dbg flags before reproducing errors. Is there any way how to do in debian/ubuntu way? I now try apt-get source or build-dep and dpkg-buildpackage. Is this right way to get most of information to you? [10:32] morning nixternal [10:36] lukas__: install kaffeind-dbg package [10:36] -d +e [10:36] fabo: I have not found it [10:36] otherwise I would install it [10:37] lukas__: look at the debian package, you'll find how to generate it. [10:38] in debian/rules, you should have --dbg-package=kaffeine-dbg [10:38] in debian/control, you should have kaffeine-dbg package listed [10:41] fabo: I am quite new, but will try [10:41] I mean new to package building [10:43] anyone need a google wave invite? [10:43] lukas__: sure, don't worry. ask if you need help. [10:44] ya, just ask fabo, he is the mastah packageah :) [10:45] speaking of which, fabo while I was afk for a month, I got an email about krename having a new upstream...did you do it already? if not I will get it packaged up and thrown at you to have a look at and upload [10:45] as kaffeine maintainer, I could help ;) [10:46] nixternal: 4.0.1 not uploaded yet [10:46] want me to package it and put it in svn for you? [10:46] I could push it now if you have something better to do [10:46] I have nothing to do right now :) [10:46] probably trivial changes [10:47] if any changes at all [10:47] ok, I will go ahead and grab it then and work it out [10:47] as you want :D just ping me when ready [10:47] roger that [10:50] fabo: I have source by apt-get source kaffeine, but I do not know what to change in rules (contains just three include lines in version 1.0-pre2) [10:51] lukas__: wait, i get the sources [10:51] okay [10:54] lukas__: ok, current ubuntu package still use cdbs so you don't need to update debian/rules [10:54] you need to edit debian/control [10:55] copy/paste these lines at the end of debian/control => http://paste.debian.net/51502/ [10:56] fabo: just to change Source:kaffeine -> Source:kaffeine-dbg ? [10:56] okay [10:56] lukas__: no, add a kaffeine-dbg (binary) package [10:57] fabo: yes, I see, what after that? debuild ...? [10:58] lukas__: I guess you'll need to add DEB_DESTDIR in debian/rules [10:58] dh: unable to load addon kde: Can't locate Debian/Debhelper/Sequence/kde.pm in @INC [10:58] as kmplayer is a single binary package [10:58] fabo: ^^ that one is new to me [10:59] * nixternal has gotten so used to cdbs with all of the core packages that he has become a dh dummy [10:59] fabo: kaffeine? [10:59] nixternal: kde sequence addon exist since debhelper 7.3.16 and pkg-kde-tools 0.5, do you have them ? [10:59] fabo: so something like DEB_DESTDIR=/usr/local/bin ? [10:59] nixternal: black magic... :D [10:59] that explains everything [11:00] lukas__: oups sorry, because I have uploaded kmplayer now ;) [11:00] lukas__: something like DEB_DESTDIR = $(CURDIR)/debian/kaffeine [11:01] relevant informations are here => http://build-common.alioth.debian.org/cdbs-doc.html#id2550863 [11:01] ah, good [11:02] as cdbd detects a 2nd package (kaffeine-dbg), it installs files in debian/tmp [11:02] and let you with an empty kaffeine package [11:02] to fix the issue, we use DEB_DESTDIR [11:03] fabo: okay [11:03] jussi01: cdbs is black magic :p [11:08] fabo: I tried debuild then, but I have some problem with gpg key. It seems debuild thinnk i am original maintainner and seeks for secret key [11:08] fabo: How could I get rid of it? [11:10] lukas__: do you have a key ? [11:10] fabo: yes, my own :-) [11:11] debuild -k0x12345678 -S -sa [11:12] fabo, ok [11:12] lukas__: indeed, replace by your key ;) but I think you get it [11:13] lukas__: oups, not -S [11:14] debuild -i -us -uc -b should be fine [11:18] fabo, ok, I got it and will try to make it fall [12:02] * fabo bbl [13:07] Riddell: The default color scheme for Konsole in KDE 4.4 has been reverted to 'Linux' (grey on black) - I think this means that you can revert the Kubuntu patch. [13:08] The previous default ('Dark Pastels') had its contrast increased since it was introduced and will be in the set of available schemes but won't be the default. [13:09] s/revert the Kubuntu patch/remove the Kubuntu patch/ [13:13] nixternal: i can haz google wave invite pl0x? [13:13] :P [13:13] afternoon, fellas [13:13] Riddell: would you mind sponsoring bug 482221? [13:13] Launchpad bug 482221 in kdebluetooth "Merge kdebluetooth 0.4~rc2-1 (main) from Debian experimental (main) " [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/482221 [13:23] JontheEchidna: sure, what is your gmail addy? [13:23] echidnaman@evilcorp.com, where evilcorp is gmail [13:24] hrmm...let me do this [13:28] nixternal: thanks, btw [13:29] np === fenris__ is now known as ejat [14:03] cool with all my new RAM Ican run lucid virtually [14:15] For bangarang, should I package their 1.0~beta1 snapshot or git? [14:15] Also, how do I deal with ugly tar.gz filenames from kde-look? [14:17] Anything inmerging I can do? [14:34] * nixternal waits patiently for cmake i386 to make it to the debian mirrors [14:35] fabo: ^^ when cmake catches up on the mirrors I will complete krename === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [15:17] whom should I ping to get digikam backport request moving? [15:47] Riddell: hmmh, trunk khtml has some issues in my system, so webkit in Konqueror seems to be best choice currently, although I'm not sure how stable it is in the long run [15:56] claydoh: what's with that "Hello, my friend" thread in kubuntu-users? I never received such a mail [15:56] and now Bruce Arthur asks me why he has been unsubscribed, what's going on there? [15:57] I don't see one either, but I just unsubbed the email addy that sent them my spam filter may have caught it [15:58] so it was my fault the spam addy was from that one [15:58] so I screwed that up [15:59] as i am definitely not capable of reading a proper email addy this morning [16:02] Mamarok: fixing it now and apologizing [16:03] ok, I was just wondering why I didn't get that spam mail but others did apparently [16:03] I had the first spam mail http://imagebin.ca/view/mPL_ke.html [16:05] ok, found it, was in my spam filter, as well as a bunch of others who answered to that... [16:06] actually to the list, but since the original message was spam it ended up in spam too [16:06] yes I had one legit email taged as spam too because of that [16:06] * Mamarok loves Google's very effecient filtr :) [16:07] efficient filter* even [16:07] my kmail bogofilter must have caught it on my end [16:08] actually my isp's filter caught it [16:09] surprised no one reported it [16:11] well, they sort of did, didn't they? :) [16:11] sort of [16:12] I was more thinking of an email to the list owners :) [16:15] well, Bruce complained for sure :) [16:15] Riddell: ping [16:18] Well I would hope so, I hate feeling stupid, though I will take my lumps like a, um, man :/ [16:19] I will be getting my glasses repaired soon, though not soon enough [16:40] seems Riddell is making a stop in Chicago tonight [16:54] hi nixternal [16:55] well.. UK -Chicago is a 10 hour flight.. he is probably on the plane now [16:55] just under 8 last time I did it [16:56] hmm.. could be right [16:56] I usually went directly to Dallas..that might be 10.. or the other way around [16:57] * txwikinger tried himself on merging bug #482706.. wonders if it is quite ok [16:57] Launchpad bug 482706 in kdesdk "kdesdk 4.3.2: new changes from Debian (4.3.2-1) require merging" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/482706 [16:58] * txwikinger still wonders why he'll be fluying into Terminal D in Dallas [16:59] would you rather crash into Terminal D in Dallas? [17:00] no.. but Terminal D is mainly International.. and I should be already through customs at the departure airport [17:03] nixternal: remember Riddell gets a good few hours added to his day when he travels that way [17:07] nixternal: Making a stop to catch the next airplan, or for staying overnight? [17:07] +e [17:07] When do package syncs start? [17:08] after UDS? [17:08] txwikinger: Hmm. OK [17:08] ryanakca: I don't know.. just a guess [17:08] Ah [17:09] maybe ask in the motu channel.. they should now [17:09] well.. geser said bascially the same I did :) [17:10] * ryanakca nods [17:36] is there a doc somewhere about how to upload a package to karmic-proposed? [18:10] transfer rate to USB devices is still PITA ~1mB/s on a USB 2.0 thumb drive :/ === yofel_ is now known as yofel [18:29] anyone know how i18n in .ui files is supposed to work? [18:29] * txwikinger wonders if everybody is already traveling [18:30] a lot are, yeah [18:30] yeah well we can have a party right here! [18:32] guys, do you also have such terrible rates when transfering files to thumb drives? Mine's supposed to be fcking usb 2.0 and copy rate it 600kB/s :/ [18:33] Quintasan: mine feels slow sometimes, but I don't think it's that slow [18:35] Yeah.. I have terribly low rate to my usb drive..not troubleshooted where the issue is yet [18:36] could be insufficient power, could be crappy controller, could be linux [18:36] Quintasan: just checkd, it doesn't say the rate, but 160mb took less than 10 secs [18:37] I didn't get a usb detected notification though... [18:37] dtchen_: I'd say it's Linux since my comp is brand new :P [18:37] amichair: I'm copying 3GB for almost 30 minutes now [18:37] is it a flash or hd? usb-powered? [18:38] Quintasan: "comp is brand new" means next to nothing [18:38] I tried with a flash disk-on-key [18:38] 2gb, pretty old [18:38] I deal with broken hardware on a daily basis; the "newness" of the hardware is completely irrelevant [18:38] hmm amichair it's propably flash, Sony 4GB [18:39] can u see if it's detected as usb2 or usb1? dunno how to do that, but I had that problem in one of the ports in my old box [18:39] dtchen_: so dunno then, also it fails to find my external hdd which makes me unable to copy my old files :/ [18:40] usb 2-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 56 [18:40] that would make it detected as usb2 [18:40] Quintasan: as for external hdd, I have a usb powered one (wd), and found that on some machines it works only with a very short usb cable, and on some not even that (not enough power) [18:41] but it appears usb drive notification ain't working (upgraded to karmic 2 days ago, always gave a popup before) [18:41] for the external HDD I get - unable to enumerate USB device on port 2 [18:41] :/ [18:41] kubuntu-lucid-bug-triage-policy isn't up for UDS? [18:42] yuriy: I think it is [18:42] there are even y-cables which connect 1 external hdd to 2 usb ports simultaniously so that it has enough power [18:42] txwikinger, yuriy: not it is not [18:42] implemented it is [18:42] Quintasan: did u try switching cables and ports? front/back too? [18:42] amichair: mine is connected to USB port with a power cable :P [18:43] amichair: yes, same result only port number is dmesg chaning [18:43] changing even [18:43] Quintasan: how do u plug a power cable into a usb port? [18:43] * txwikinger has to write some e-mails to friends in Dallas [18:43] I think he means a powered usb hub [18:43] grr [18:43] nah [18:44] hmm how come i can't edit the whiteboard on these specs [18:44] or maybe a hdd with it's own power supply? [18:45] * apachelogger grabs his sonic screwdriver and opens a bottle of wine [18:45] http://images.priceme.co.nz/Images/ProductImages/StRetailer98/b740_m.jpg <--- something like this [18:45] * amichair takes a cube of chocolate and melts it down with a sip of tea [18:45] HDD enclosure? [18:46] so I was thinking ... how about getting ourselfs a nice vision and scope doc? [18:46] let me access my data first :P [18:46] Quintasan: can't tell from the picture - does it have its own power connector or is it usb-powered? [18:46] own power connector [18:46] it's like PATA to USB adapter [18:47] Quintasan: and it still works ok on a different machine? [18:47] amichair: it worked on my old machine [18:48] now it doesnt [18:48] does it still work on another machine? [18:48] works on my sis machine with windows [18:48] ah ok [18:48] * txwikinger grumbles at kmail [18:50] Quintasan: dunno then... is ur bios updated? [18:50] 2009 version :P [18:50] that might be newest, or might be 4 versions behind :-) [18:52] newest one, I have flashed it manually :P [18:52] and u made sure the bios usb settings are correct as well? [18:53] yeah [18:53] I can never remember which is the right one, high-speed or full-speed. stupid marketing people. [18:53] oi! [18:54] apachelogger: sup? [18:54] dont call marketing people stupid, 2 years ago I was spending most of my time on working out that kind of crap! [18:55] amichair: You'd better hide, you made apache angry :P [18:55] if raphink didn't drag me into kubuntu development back in the days, I still would be doing that probably [18:55] * Quintasan hands apachelogger a cookie [18:55] I wasn't saying all marketing people are stupid... only the ones that came with 'full-speed' vs. 'high-speed' and expected it to make sense to someone... [18:56] * apachelogger munches cookie and drafts up vision&scope doc [18:56] now, let's get back to thinking how should I deal with this [19:01] I went to double check BIOS settings but everything seems ok [19:16] Looks like my problem ain't new, several topics on forums on this [19:19] Quintasan: :( [19:20] so [19:20] I need a PM minion, any volunters? [19:20] PM? [19:20] project management [19:21] OMFG [19:21] I HAVE ATA CABLE [19:21] lol! [19:21] and external power cable to PATA drives [19:21] ATA FTW!!!! :):):) [19:21] maybe this will work [19:22] * Quintasan prays to FSM that it will work [19:22] wish me luck [19:26] apachelogger: maybe you should put out a help-wanted ad :) [19:26] kubuntu.org should have a section for that really [19:26] there barely goes a week by without me having a wicked idea that just needs someone to implement it :P [19:27] * apachelogger pours a glass of wine for claydoh [19:27] * claydoh gets tipsy *burp* [19:27] oh my [19:28] apachelogger: are you going to uds? [19:28] * apachelogger is wondering where our dictator is and goes looking in ubuntu-devel [19:28] jussi01: nope [19:28] apachelogger: Riddell is in the air currently [19:29] the dictator, not the fearless robot leader :P [19:29] or leader robot [19:29] something like that anyway [19:29] ahh [19:29] :D [19:29] coolface.jpg [19:29] works! [19:29] possibly he is int he air as well [19:29] Quintasan: please use .png in here :P [19:29] apachelogger: why not? ur the one who gets things going here, no? [19:30] * apachelogger is also the one who can not simply make a one week trip to the US due to other responsibilities :P [19:31] http://haxed.dk/blog/wp-content/uploads/coolface.jpg [19:31] that reminds me on something [19:31] that's my face after I saw "Data" in Dolphin [19:31] oh right, some avatar :P [19:31] hey! it looks like apachelogger [19:31] :D [19:31] actually it does [19:31] ever since I lost weight, I look a lot like that when grinning :P [19:32] http://blog.quintasan.pl/files/photo.jpeg [19:32] :P [19:32] yo ghostcube [19:33] ghostcube: \o [19:33] is it normal practice around here to have accelerator markers and html markup as part of translated text? [19:33] * apachelogger is always sad when Nightrose is not around :( [19:33] lol only 66GB of anime to copy, and that's only my first drive :DDDD [19:34] amichair: accelerator needs to be [19:34] the accelerator might need to be different in the translation anyway [19:34] BUT [19:34] html should not [19:34] BUT [19:34] apachelogger: I'm looking at the software-properties i18n bugs :-( [19:34] sometimes a gnome UI insists on having the html in [19:35] >gnome [19:35] :/ [19:35] and sometimes a kubuntu contributor also does add the html [19:35] not that I find it particularly good in either case [19:35] esply since rosetta is to stupid to strip html and thus it leads to translations issues [19:36] we had one case where the amarok status bar was misrendered for years in en_CA and en_AU because some translators broke the html markup in those languages [19:36] so I need to translate, then strip the specific html tags... how ugly [19:36] no strippy :P [19:36] * amichair can leave his hat on [19:37] apachelogger: I think I have asked you but I can't remember if you answered, are we moving with translation of kubuntu-docs form rosetta away too or just KDE packages? [19:37] * Quintasan still has his ninja suit, although he's still copying his data [19:37] ultimatley you only have no markup inside text, so in the best case scenario you could just only make the string itself translatable and add the markup within the app code [19:37] which is the most sane approach to all this anyway [19:38] Quintasan: 1. kubuntu-docs is out of my scope 2. I don't see why we should drop kubuntu-docs translations [19:38] apachelogger: true [19:38] sometimes-wrong-translations > no translations [19:38] I just though we are moving away from rosetta :P [19:39] but really, that is, and always was, up to the kubuntu-docs dudes [19:39] namely jjesse and nixternal [19:39] That reminds me I should get into KDE upstream polish tranlators [19:40] Quintasan: if our tools would qualify for upstream inclusion, I would move them there and have translations done by kde-l10n, but unfortunately they do no and thus we are pretty much stuck with rosetta [19:40] unless we go for no-translation-for-kubuntu-tools, which might even be worse than what comes out of rosetta at times [19:41] * apachelogger likes how people complain about ubuntuone not having KDE integration, but yet no one feels like doing anything about it :| [19:43] I'm missing one curcial thing -> right click on device -> Format [19:43] so I have to open my console, cd to the dir and do sudo rm -rf * or sudo fdisk [19:44] hm [19:44] I suppose that should be doable via solid [19:44] * amichair misses format from gui too [19:44] apachelogger: Let me see if I understand your view on Rosetta and KDE stuff: It worked kind of OK for Karmic, but we (meaning Kubuntu devs, and mostly you) had to work really hard to get all the way to only kind of doesn't totally suck. The effort isn't sustainable, so without some way to make it still better with a lot less work from Kubuntu devs, we just can't do it? [19:44] apachelogger: Is that about right? [19:44] write solid stuff to enable formatting of $FS, then make dolphin utilze this stufffor thumb drives et all [19:45] * ScottK wants to make sure he can say it right at the UDS session on Kubuntu translations. [19:45] ScottK: yes, though as I see it, there is no way to make it less work [19:45] the only solution would be to have someone paid for doing it :P [19:45] apachelogger: The question isn't how much work, but who's work. [19:46] really, my biggest concern is that someone needs to constantly watch what KDE is doing and follow along with our stuff [19:48] Quintasan: if we moved kubuntu-docs away from rosetta, then what do we use? [19:48] In contrast, in the PPAs where we just upload the KDE translations it works nicely. [19:48] apachelogger: ^^^ correct? [19:49] ScottK: the translations import is causing overhead on multiple levels ... we need to clone upstream's pot creation tools, we constantly need to have them updated or pot creation might be incomplete, we need to increase the diff of main packages to debian by adding translation domains, if the pot creation fails for some reason, which it will at some point, it will cuase someone to waste time, rosetta exposes us to the threat of [19:49] quality degration because translators can (at will) change upstream translations.... [19:49] the list is long, each issue alone might be minor, but altogether they make upstream cry and the user cry [19:50] ScottK: aight [19:50] OK. [19:50] is the sp-kde gui purposely different than sp-gtk gui? [19:51] upstream translation process is a straight forward subject + since core KDE also uses kde-l10n-LANG packages it resembles our lang-packs anyway, so from a deployment point of view the changes from rosetta to upstream-only translations would probably be minimal [19:51] amichair: no [19:51] amichair: you see, the thing is ... in the past Kubuntu tools have been created just so that they could become unmaintained [19:52] so changes from the GTK UIs were not adopted into the KDE UI for quite some of our tools [19:52] apachelogger: I tend to agree. I just want to make sure I can present the argument well. [19:52] ehlo peoples :) [19:52] apachelogger: I see. so maybe in a different revision we can do some catsup [19:52] ScottK: aye :) [19:53] amichair: very much so, and find a maintainer [19:53] sup ? [19:53] it's not like maintaining those tools means a lot of work, one just would need to subscribe to commits to the trunk branch and adopt GTK changes/enhancements when they occur [19:53] which is not that ofte really [19:53] I think I got the translations fixed, just without bold titles. and both kde and gtk are missing some complex tranlations, like 'Close' and 'Remove' [19:54] amichair: merge with trunk [19:54] I fixed the close stuff [19:54] ok, hope there are no conflicts. I hate wasted work :-( [19:54] *shurg* [19:54] you should work every once in a while to prevent wasted work [19:54] would that be a 'bzr update' or 'bzr merge' or something like that [19:55] bzr merge [19:55] bzr merge --preview will show you what gets merged [19:55] and possible conflicts beforehand [19:55] ghostcube: kubuntu being hot and sexy :D [19:56] * apachelogger gets up and dances to summer wind by good ol franky [19:56] what else [19:56] :) [19:57] apachelogger: have you tested midori ? [19:57] bzr shelve has a bug - it doesn't account for file permission modifications (+x ) [19:58] ghostcube: were I supposed to? Oo [19:58] nah only a question :) [19:58] didnt [19:58] * apachelogger is quite happy with chrome :P [19:58] apachelogger: it says 'nothing to do' (taken from %7Eubuntu-core-dev/software-properties/main/ as I was told) [20:01] then no clue why close did not work for you [20:02] ok, I'll try to figure it out [20:02] apachelogger: amichair isn't going to be able to push to a core-dev branch [20:02] * txwikinger forgot how many people in Dallas he knows [20:02] Could be just really poor error handling. Since nothing to do might be literally correct due to lack of permissions. [20:02] ScottK: I'm working on my own branch for now, with a dozen fixes ready to be plucked (and more coming!) [20:02] OK. [20:02] Great. [20:02] wowie [20:03] ScottK: that does not make merging a bad idea :P [20:03] merging with parent is never a bad idea :D [20:03] apachelogger: Agreed. Just a question of which direction. [20:04] say, is there a way to fake the system locale for a single app? some kde command line option or something? [20:05] I can switch my whole desktop to Russian... but then... I don't understand Russian :-) [20:05] LOCALE=en_US.utf8 [20:05] er... [20:05] wait [20:05] LC_ALL [20:05] i meant LANG [20:05]