[00:24] <hggdh> all: dtchen is currently doing an impromptu 'debugging sound issues' on #ubuntu-classroom
[00:38] <dtchen_> too late; I just wrapped.
[00:39] <hggdh> heh
[00:54] <bjl-> hello
[00:54] <bjl-> I believe I may have found a bug with the interaction between printf and pthreads on ubuntu 9.10, anyone interested?
[00:57] <dtchen_> bjl-: sure, but it's best to file a bug
[00:57] <bjl-> yeah, I just found the no-redirect thing on the webpage, so I'm doing that right now
[00:57] <bjl-> I have a little repro as well, it's pretty easy
[00:59] <bjl-> basically if you you call printf inside of a thread when stdout is redirected and terminate the program with SIGINT (ie. control+c) then you will never see your output again
[00:59] <bjl-> makes some performance tools kind of useless
[01:00] <bjl-> you can get around it by using fprintf/fflush atexit, but the behavior is not the same as ubuntu 9.04
[01:04] <bjl-> apparently launchpad is having problems
[01:04] <bjl-> would you like the repro file?
[01:04] <bjl-> just a simple c program
[01:08] <ikt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/399974 <- what is left to do to mark this bug as triaged? hugged
[01:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 399974 in nautilus "'Keep Aligned' option always resets to 'true' after desktop reload" [Low,Confirmed]
[03:08] <mr_steve> Is anyone in here using the lp_stockreplies greasemonkey script?
[03:13] <mrand> hmmm...  I wasn't even aware of it.  They have similar things for editing media wiki's that don't require greasemonkey.  does it work well?
[03:17] <mr_steve> mrand, yeah, it works great, except for the latest version. It's part of a collection of handy scripts for triaging
[03:18] <mr_steve> You get stock replies with one click, user's karma and team memberships next to their name, comments from the original reporter highlighted a different color, etc. I like it
[03:38] <maco> mr_steve: yeah i use it. whats up?
[03:40] <mr_steve> Well I just installed the latest version from the bzr branch, and I haven't been able to get it to load the default replies. I filed bug #482479, but I thought I'd see if anyone else had trouble, and if there was some trick to it
[03:40] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 482479 in launchpad-gm-scripts "LP_StockReplies not loading standard replies" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/482479
[03:40] <mr_steve> For now I've just switched back to using the packaged FF addon from the PPA
[03:40] <mr_steve> which works fine
[04:37] <hggdh> mr_steve: have you tried clicking on the down-arrow to the left of "affects"?
[04:39] <mr_steve> Yep, it took me a while to figure that out originally, but that's not my problem now. After clicking there, below the resulting Comment field, I simply have [+edit+] and [+reload+], and reload throws an error in the FF Error Console
[04:40] <hggdh> in my case, the standard replies are shown in between the "comment on this change" box and the Also affects project line
[04:40] <hggdh> but I will check with firebug to see what hapens
[04:42] <hggdh> tomorrow ;-)
[04:47] <mr_steve> hggdh, that's where I see them too, with the working version from the PPA. And that's where I only see edit/reload with the latest version from bzr. I'm not worried about it since the PPA version works fine.
[07:17] <yellowsun> good morning
[07:17] <yellowsun> You can connect a scanner parallel without drivers in linux?
[11:24] <ikt> is there anything extra needed to be done on this bug?
[11:24] <ikt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/399974
[11:24] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 399974 in nautilus "'Keep Aligned' option always resets to 'true' after desktop reload" [Low,Confirmed]
[11:41] <MeBabes> Hello. : )
[11:41] <MeBabes> I'm an old Ubuntu user; I just installed my brand new visiontek radeon 2600 HD Pro!
[11:43] <MeBabes> Without the closed ATI driver the display is choppy; with the closed ATI driver the display is mostly unusable.
[11:44] <MeBabes> Does anyone know any steps I can take to get this fixed?
[11:46] <quinda> Hi MeBabes you might get a quicker response if you ask in  #ubuntu
[11:47] <quinda> This room is for people who are working on bug reports, rather than for user support.
[11:47] <MeBabe> Back after a power outage...
[11:47] <quinda> Welcome back :)
[11:47] <quinda> Not sure if you saw my previous message, but you might get a quicker answer to your driver issue in the #ubuntu room
[11:48] <MeBabe> quinda; thank you I'll go now.
[11:48] <quinda> I hope you manage to solve your problem!
[11:48] <MeBabe> I didn't see the message unfortunetly.
[11:48] <MeBabe> Thanks. : )
[13:38] <gnarlie> hello
[13:38] <gnarlie> seems like this isn't getting noticed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lirc/+bug/459021
[13:38] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 459021 in lirc "Remote control commands not processed" [Undecided,New]
[13:40] <nperry> This will probably only get looked into for Lucid
[13:41] <gnarlie> nperry: what?
[13:41] <gnarlie> you're joking?
[13:42] <mrand> gnarlie: seems like there is plenty of community discussion and debug going on there.  If someone stays on top of it, it might be possible to get a patch included in 10.04 / Lucid.  I don't know what the policy is on backporting those kinds of things to a released kernel.
[13:42] <gnarlie> lirc.org claims 2.6.31 is a supported kernel
[13:43] <mrand> gnarlie: am I misunderstanding the discussion in the bug?  Is it not a regression in the kernel?
[13:43] <gnarlie> well probably, in the ubuntu kernel
[13:43] <gnarlie> lirc-0.8.6 has been tested with kernel versions up to 2.6.31.
[13:43] <gnarlie> from lirc.org
[13:44] <mrand> Ah, so you're saying it is some sort of diff between the upstream kernel source and ubuntu kernel.
[13:44] <gnarlie> so releases just get released, wether stuff work or not and then get fixed for the next release?
[13:44] <gnarlie> mrand: well I can't know if the people at lirc.org are lying
[13:45] <nperry> gnarlie: We've squashed most of the bugs during the 6month dev cycle
[13:45] <gnarlie> apparently nobody tested lirc
[13:45] <mrand> gnarlie: I'm assuming we have no reason to suspect they are.
[13:45] <gnarlie> mrand: and all I know is that lirc works with older kernels
[13:45] <mrand> gnarlie: actually lirc is tested by many people... the problem is that there are an insane number of devices.
[13:46] <nperry> I used lirc in about Alpha 2 i believe.
[13:46] <gnarlie> older kernels create dvb-devs in all the wrong places on karmic so that's not an option either
[13:46] <gnarlie> udev change maybe
[13:47] <gnarlie> looks like I'll be going back to jaunty :/
[13:48] <mrand> gnarlie: I haven't studied it, but the links to the external work-arounds don't fix it for you?
[13:48] <gnarlie> heh, no
[13:48] <gnarlie> the on link suggests to unload lirc_imon :P
[13:49] <gnarlie> I use lirc_serial, don't have lirc_imon loaded
[13:49] <mrand> hrm
[13:49] <gnarlie> nothing gets to the ir-receiver, so it could be some serial port breakage
[13:49] <gnarlie> or whatever
[13:51] <gnarlie> oh I might have stumbled on something...
[13:52] <mrand> oh?
[13:52] <gnarlie> apparently the kernel ships with lirc-modules
[13:52] <gnarlie> and I have lirc-kernel-source too
[13:52] <gnarlie> lirc-modules-source I mean
[14:00] <_Narc_> Hello folks. I'm here for two reasons, I hope someone would be able to help. For months I've had a problem with my router (I thought) so I bought a new one, bla bla, problem still there. Now I suspected Ubuntu so I read the syslog and I foud this : http://paste.ubuntu.com/318620/ . Now I'm not here to get help - though it'll be great - but to know if it's a worth-posting bug. Thanks a lot.
[14:06] <_Narc_> I found it's possibly a dupe of bug 482289. Now I wonder if this can cause a router to crash. I know I'm a bit off-topic and I apologize.
[14:06] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 482289 in linux "WARNING: at /build/buildd/linux-2.6.31/net/sched/sch_generic.c:246 dev_watchdog+0x1f6/0x210(), maybe eth0 issues? O.o dunno..." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/482289
[14:23] <gnarlie> mrand: I think removing lirc-modules-source might have fixed it, I get output from mode2 now
[14:28] <mrand> gnarlie: awesome.  Could you add a comment to that bug?  Something along the lines of "be sure to check that lirc-modules-source is not installed... removing it fixed it for me"
[14:28] <gnarlie> not sure if it did
[14:30] <mrand> ok, or at least, improved things... maybe it will help someone else get it that much further.
[14:34] <gnarlie> apps arent getting input though
[15:07] <gnarlie> mrand: now mode2 stopped outputting again :P
[15:07] <gnarlie> I just feel like going back to jaunty
[15:11] <gnarlie> mrand: off-topic but is going back a release prone to break?
[15:11] <dtchen_> online forced apt-pinned downgrade? Almost certainly.
[15:21] <_Narc_> Hello again... Sorry to insist, but I'd appreciate that one of you kernel wizards have a look on this syslog entry : http://paste.ubuntu.com/318620/ . I'm going mad. I found several duplicates but it's supposed to be fixed in karmic (RTL8111/8168B driver issues). Thanks a lot.
[15:21] <gnarlie> dtchen_: :(
[15:21]  * gnarlie says "if it's not broken, don't upgrade" aloud
[15:49] <dtchen_> gnarlie: well, yes, that's the idea. OTOH, I suppose people love the shiny.
[15:50] <gnarlie> dtchen_: so you're saying it's very likely to b0rk everything by downgrading?
[15:50] <dtchen_> gnarlie: it's pretty likely.
[15:52] <gnarlie> I want my htpc to explode now
[15:52] <gnarlie> so I can buy a ion/atom machine
[15:52] <dtchen_> just throw it out a window
[15:53] <Hobbsee> give it a little help...
[15:54] <gnarlie> my irssi runs on it :P
[15:56] <gnarlie> I'll throw jaunty on a athlon-xp machine I have and just move the disk over
[16:11] <Guest61427> hello guys, i'm new to irc. can anyone help me feel more comfortable using irc please??
[16:43] <hggdh> bug 472057
[16:43] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 472057 in linux "NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0 (r8169): transmit queue 0 timed out" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/472057
[17:24] <_Narc_> I found this in my syslog : alsa-mixer.c: Your kernel driver is broken: it reports a volume range from 18.00 dB to 18.00 dB which makes no sense. Does it matter ?
[17:29] <WeatherGod> I am sure it does
[17:30] <WeatherGod> what is your sound card?
[17:30] <maco> _Narc_: dtchen_ said its a known bug
[17:30] <EzraR> i get that too _Narc_
[17:30] <maco> i think he intends to get back to his comoputer after he's finished with his pizza
[17:31] <_Narc_> Sorry guys, my connection is somewhat random these days, I'm testing stuff. My soundcard is an integrated on an Intel motherboard
[17:32] <WeatherGod> _Narc_, did you try the backports package?
[17:32] <_Narc_> I think I just have it now 'cause I updated to 2..6.31-15
[17:32] <_Narc_> But I'm not sure, maybe it was there before
[17:32] <_Narc_> WeatherGod: no
[17:33] <maco> _Narc_: you could reboot into -14 and find out
[17:33] <WeatherGod> try 'linux-backports-modules-alsa-karmic-generic'
[17:33] <_Narc_> maco: Yes, I will.
[17:33] <WeatherGod> does a lot of stuff for Intel based cards
[17:34] <_Narc_> WeatherGod: Oh, would be really good, because I'm almost discouraged now :)
[17:34] <maco> arent like 80% of laptops running HDA chipsets? i mean...thats just "does a lot for cards"
[17:34] <_Narc_> WeatherGod: I'll try that
[17:34] <_Narc_> But just for you to know, the sound is working okay
[17:35] <WeatherGod> oh?  That's odd
[17:35] <WeatherGod> maco, yeah, I know
[17:36] <_Narc_> I checked in syslog, it did it earlier with -14 too
[17:36] <WeatherGod> _Narc_, quite honestly, I defer to dtchen, he really has a handle on all of these sound issues
[17:36] <_Narc_> WeatherGod: Ok, the Audio Guy :)
[17:36] <maco> ought to...been doing it for a decade :P
[17:37] <WeatherGod> longer than I have been using Linux
[17:37] <_Narc_> Haha
[17:38] <_Narc_> Can you explain to the noob what's backports ?
[17:38] <qense> Made a mistake: I thought my libmtp8 Apport hook was already included, but looking at the results of apport-collect of a reported I asked to use it, it wasn't. :(
[17:38] <_Narc_> in essence
[17:39] <dtchen_> _Narc_: yes, it matters. PA works around it, and if PA doesn't, PA can be configured to do so. It's a linux bug of sorts, but it's hardly anything over which to lose sleep.
[17:40] <_Narc_> dtchen_: Ok, so, I'm letting it live its life ?
[17:40] <dtchen_> _Narc_: if you'd like to help fix it, please file a bug affecting linux (or alsa-driver), and title it "dB misreported for sound card", then tell me the bug report #
[17:40] <qense> bdmurray: who's responsible for adding Apport hooks to packages? I'd like someone to review bug 430261 since libmtp would be very happy if it had a hook.
[17:40] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 430261 in libmtp "add Apport hook to libmtp" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/430261
[17:40] <dtchen_> _Narc_: well, the hardware itself sucks, so not much can be done there. OTOH, it can be worked around to some degree in linux.
[17:41] <_Narc_> dtchen_: Ok, I will. With the ubuntu-bug command would do it ?
[17:41] <_Narc_> dtchen_: Well, it doesn't affect my sound in any way
[17:41] <dtchen_> _Narc_: yes
[17:42] <_Narc_> Ok
[17:42] <_Narc_> Thanks
[17:42] <dtchen_> for those following, it's described at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Packaging/Training/Logs/2009-11-13
[17:42] <_Narc_> I'll report it in a moment
[17:43] <WeatherGod> oh, nice
[17:44] <_Narc_> If someone could explain if this message : "possible SYN flooding on port 8500. Sending cookies." could be related to a bug in r8169...
[18:30] <etali> I'm going through some of the expirable bugs.  If the reporter was asked for more information, but hasn't responded, and the last activity on the bug was almost a year ago, are you still supposed to ask again for the information then wait two weeks to see if the reporter responds?
[18:31] <dtchen_> that's courteous, sure
[18:31] <dtchen_> I tend to just close the bug with a note.
[18:33] <etali> Great, thanks.
[18:33] <hggdh> etali: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Incomplete%20bugs%20without%20a%20response%20from%20submitter
[18:37] <etali> hggdh: Thanks, that's the page I was looking at.  I wasn't sure if that applied if the bug was over a year old, but I'll follow that process then.
[18:39] <hggdh> it does. It is always good to read the bug comments, and -- for example -- see if we can reproduce it on current, but not really required
[18:40] <etali> The good news is the ones I've just looking at appear to have been fixed :)  Mostly firefox ones, couldn't reproduce the issue on 3.5
[18:40] <etali> ^^ just been, even (wow, my typing is poor today)
[18:41] <hggdh> heh
[18:41] <hggdh> etali: if you are working heavily with ffox, you may want to check with the folks at #ubuntu-mozillateam
[18:43] <etali> Thanks, I'll head on over there.
[18:44] <etali> It seems there's so many teams... it's taking me a while to get a handle on who does what and how it all ties together.
[18:47] <hggdh> unfortunately, it is sort of confusing. Usually, #ubuntu-bugs is the place to ask generic questions on triaging, though
[18:52] <hggdh> but -- usually -- the wiki bugsquad pages point to a lot of it
[18:53] <etali> Thanks.  I've got several bug related wiki pages up at the moment.  The stock responses are really handy.
[18:54] <yofel> etali: installed the ffx-lp-improvements?
[18:54] <yofel> *really* handy ;)
[18:55] <etali> No, I don't have that.... *runs off to look for them*
[18:56] <yofel> etali: link at the top of the responses page
[18:58] <yofel> the kernel response is out of date though :/
[18:58] <etali> Ahh, cool, thanks.  That does look useful :)
[19:16] <yofel> could somebody with some free time do the SRU verification for bug 411262? (package installation fails)
[19:16] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 411262 in rott "package rott 1.1-3 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/411262
[19:16] <yofel> the original/duplicate reporters don't seem to care
[19:30] <FFEMTcJ> Could someone please wishlist bug 482670
[19:30] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 482670 in gnome-terminal "Feature request: single-line scrolling" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/482670
[19:34] <FFEMTcJ> Could someone also please look at bug 482654 and see if they agree with the response I gave?
[19:34] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 482654 in file-roller ""Open With..." functionality in File Roller should lead to a submenu instead of a dedicated window " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/482654
[19:39] <hggdh> FFEMTcJ: bug 482670 wishlisted. Bonus points for am upstream bug linked there ;-)
[19:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 482670 in gnome-terminal "Feature request: single-line scrolling" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/482670
[19:40] <mrand> FFEMTcJ: regarding single-line scrolling... I'd be surprised if that is not already possible, but gnome usually hides settings like that.  Might take some digging.  Of course, it could be argued that it isn't a setting that the user is asking for ... it's a different key sequence to scroll line-by-line.
[19:40] <hggdh> FFEMTcJ: did you test it?
[19:40] <hggdh> (I mean bug 482654
[19:40] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 482654 in file-roller ""Open With..." functionality in File Roller should lead to a submenu instead of a dedicated window " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/482654
[19:41] <mrand> FFEMTcJ: I think the user is saying that the"open with..."  should be attached to the menu, not opening a new window.  I.e., it is inconsistent with the user interfaces of other products.
[20:10] <laz0r> hi, I just had a problem while compiling freeorion on karmic: gcc segfaulted
[20:11] <laz0r> I tried building with the latest snapshot and it seems the bug is gone, so that means I can just ignore the issue and move on, or should I still report a bug somewhere?
[20:12] <WeatherGod> depends, does gcc segfault in earlier versions?
[20:13] <WeatherGod> gcc may need to patch earlier releases as well
[20:15] <laz0r> the gcc that comes with karmic segfaulted, i then tried the latest snapshot from http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/g/gcc-snapshot/, which worked, i did not try any earlier ones
[20:15] <laz0r> i could try some earlier ones as well if that would be usefull
[20:16] <WeatherGod> if the Jaunty release has the bug, then I would definitely report it against both
[20:17] <WeatherGod> it might turn out that they purposely  fixed it in the latest snapshot, but you never know
[20:17] <laz0r> can i just install the gcc package from jaunty on my karmic installation and test it with that?
[20:18] <WeatherGod> dunno, never tried that...
[20:18] <WeatherGod> I would just boot up with the LiveCD version
[20:18] <WeatherGod> or in a vm
[20:37] <Riotta> Hello
[20:37] <FFEMTcJ> hggdh: on 482670, maybe i misunderstood.. if I run say 'man ls' and use the up/down arrows, it scrolls up and down.. one line at a time.. now im confused..
[20:37] <FFEMTcJ> hi Riotta
[20:37] <bcurtiswx> FFEMTcJ: thats possible in man.. yes
[20:39] <Riotta> I'm having some bug after upgrading from Ubuntu 9.04 to 9.10, the bug is reported to launchpad, can I do something to help fixing this bug?
[20:40] <Riotta> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/441408 here's the bug
[20:40] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 441408 in xserver-xorg-input-mouse "[MASTER] Mouse jumps to bottom corner on click in fullscreen games. New mouses (A4Tech). Related to DGA / DGAMOUSE in SDL." [Low,Confirmed]
[20:41] <FFEMTcJ> mrand: when I right click on a file, I get either an 'Open with another application' or a 'open with >' and then a list of suggested applications..
[20:41] <Riotta> I have done many tests on this issue
[20:41] <FFEMTcJ> the open with another app is displayed when ubuntu doesn't have any suggestioned apps to open it with
[20:44] <Riotta> could you point me what I can do more to have this bug fixed I can share various info about this issue?
[20:44] <FFEMTcJ> mrand: nevermind.. i figured out what the op was getting at.. yes it is confirmed, and should also be wishlisted.. bug 482654
[20:44] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 482654 in file-roller ""Open With..." functionality in File Roller should lead to a submenu instead of a dedicated window " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/482654
[20:44] <FFEMTcJ> if someone could wishlist for me
[20:44] <mrand> FFEMTcJ: done
[20:45] <FFEMTcJ> thanks mrand
[20:48] <Riotta> anyone?
[20:48] <WeatherGod> Riotta, you can upload your information to the bug report
[20:49] <FFEMTcJ> going back to bug 482670 - maybe i am misunderstanding that one as well... by single line scrolling I guess I dont understand what he is referring to..
[20:49] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 482670 in gnome-terminal "Feature request: single-line scrolling" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/482670
[20:52] <mrand> FFEMTcJ: if you scroll up in a gnome-terminal, it goes up three lines.  He wants the ability to go up one line.
[20:53] <FFEMTcJ> using the scrollbar on the right hand side? mine goes up one
[20:53] <WeatherGod> FFEMTcJ, I think he wants a separate key event to do scrolling by line
[20:53] <WeatherGod> like in Konsole
[20:54] <FFEMTcJ> however if I scroll up using the wheel on my mouse that does go up three
[20:54] <WeatherGod> but, think from the keyboard
[20:54] <FFEMTcJ> ok
[20:55] <WeatherGod> in the terminal, if I hit up or down, it moves the command history
[20:55] <FFEMTcJ> yes..
[20:55] <WeatherGod> shift-up and down in Konsole moves the output
[20:55] <FFEMTcJ> ok..
[20:55] <FFEMTcJ> I gotcha
[20:56] <WeatherGod> afaik, there isn't anything equivalent in gnome terminal
[20:56] <WeatherGod> definitely a doable wishlist item
[20:57] <WeatherGod> I wouldn't mind having that feature
[20:58] <FFEMTcJ> WeatherGod: got it..
[20:59] <FFEMTcJ> control shift up/down
[20:59] <FFEMTcJ> that work for you?
[21:02] <WeatherGod> lemme check to see if that interferes with anything
[21:03] <FFEMTcJ> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+question/32554/+linkbug
[21:03] <WeatherGod> FFEMTcj, I don't see any interference
[21:03] <WeatherGod> collisions... that's the word I was looking for
[21:04] <WeatherGod> ah
[21:05] <WeatherGod> good to know
[21:06] <WeatherGod> FFEMTcJ, I see i missread what you wrote, and tried Ctrl up and down
[21:11] <_Narc_> hggdh: Just for you to know, the symptoms changed quite a bit but I stil got the oops with -15.
[21:12] <_Narc_> hggdh: and apport remained silent.
[21:19] <FFEMTcJ> WeatherGod: do you agree then that would make the bug report invalid?
[21:20] <WeatherGod> well, I would ask the User if Ctrl-Shift up and down is what they wanted
[21:20] <WeatherGod> if it is, then mark as invalid
[21:25] <qense> hggdh: How do I take a student for mentoring? Just reply to an application?
[21:26] <_Narc_> dtchen_: I reported the misreported dB bug as you told me to, it's bug 482805
[21:26] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 482805 in linux "dB misreported for sound card" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/482805
[21:26] <hggdh> qense: if you have someone in mind, yes, you can -- and update the wiki
[21:27] <qense> ok, thanks
[21:27] <hggdh> qense: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors
[21:27] <qense> I'll look out for someone to help
[21:27] <hggdh> and thank you
[21:28] <qense> you're welcome, more bug triagers mean less work for us, good bug triagers make the OS we're using better, so overall we're better of with good bug triagers. I'm glad I can help in achieving that.
[21:29] <hggdh> qense: exactly what I think ;-)
[21:29] <qense> good
[21:30] <hggdh> I hope we will be able to discuss this in more details on UDS
[21:31] <qense> yes, it would be nice to have a clearer process
[21:34] <maco> more bad triagers can mean more work when you have to go undo what they did
[21:34] <_Narc_> hggdh: Sorry to bother again, but could you just tell me if you think that the SYN flood message in the syslog I showed you before could trigger bug 472057 ? Thanks again.
[21:34] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 472057 in linux "NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0 (r8169): transmit queue 0 timed out" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/472057
[21:35] <_Narc_> maco: yes, that's why I'm always affraid to do something wrong
[21:38] <Symmetria> lo all :)
[21:38] <Symmetria> as per conversation I was having in #ubuntu-devel, anyone seen anything like this: http://inetpro.org/pastebin/79  (or can give me more hints as to where I can look so I can dig out more info to include in a bug report)
[21:40] <Symmetria> I have 3 identical machines, all with ixgbe cards in them, I get that error when running around 32meg window sizes and downloading traffic at between 1 and 2 gigabit a second after a while, memory in the machines are adequate to handle the window sizes, bug occurs in kernels 2.6.27 -> 2.6.29 (havent tested others)
[21:41] <dtchen_> so, jumbo frames, eh?
[21:42] <Symmetria> dtchen, standard 1500 mtu
[21:42] <Symmetria> so no, they are standard frame sizes
[21:42] <dtchen_> ick.
[21:42] <Symmetria> just very large tcp window sizes to handle high latencies
[21:42] <dtchen_> ah, that would do it
[21:43] <Symmetria> (I'm using the longest geographic STM64 in existance, 200 odd ms going .za -> mumbai -> london on the geographic path)
[21:43] <hggdh> heh
[21:43] <dtchen_> right, so either jumbo frames or >> tcp window sizes generally have order-X allocation constraints
[21:43] <Symmetria> hence the need for the large window sizes, infact, if I wanna REALLY push it, I have to max those window sizes to a lot larger than 32meg
[21:43] <dtchen_> I'm a bit surprised that you're getting them with o-4
[21:43] <hggdh> and memory/swap is not starved?
[21:44] <dtchen_> it looks like there's at least quite a bit of memory fragmentation
[21:44] <Symmetria> hggdh nope, swap doesnt even kick in
[21:44] <dtchen_> don't need that, really
[21:45] <dtchen_> is there any chance of testing a newer kernel in that/those machines?
[21:45] <Symmetria> I can probably take it to 2.6.30 tomorrow during maintenance window
[21:46] <Symmetria> heh, just gotta pick my moment, thats the largest mirror server on the african continent and when it goes down people tend to scream :)
[21:46] <dtchen_> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.30.9/ http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.31.6/ http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.32-rc7/
[21:48] <WeatherGod> Hey, just saw what might be a security report of the RSS feed
[21:48] <WeatherGod> bug 482749
[21:48] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 482749 in software-center "software center does not work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/482749
[21:49] <WeatherGod> sorry
[21:49] <WeatherGod> bug 482751
[21:49] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 482751 in firefox-3.5 ""MD5 Collisions Inc." (expried) fake SSL certificate is installed as standard" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/482751
[21:50] <Symmetria> dtchen I had a coupla reports that there were some issues with 2.6.31, but no one was to specific, is it stable enough to run on a heavy production server or should I rather go to .30?
[21:51] <dtchen_> Symmetria: I really don't know, I've only been following .32
[21:53] <Symmetria> :) I'm a little scared of going to an RC kernel on a box that heavy loaded *lol* will try .30 tomorrow when i can reboot and see how it goes, otherwise will file a proper bug report
[21:55] <maco> Symmetria: i dont have issues with 31, but id say avoid ext4 on a server...
[21:56] <Symmetria> maco, thats running xfs
[21:56] <hggdh> WeatherGod: not really a security issue, but a test CA cert should not be in by default
[21:56] <Symmetria> (went xfs purely because I found it tended to perform better with the vast number of files on the system and the huge file churn)
[21:57] <qense> WeatherGod: I'm not sure if it really is a security issue. As the reporter already said it probably isn't used anymore and isn't valid anymore. I would set the status to Triaged, the Status to Low. The package is ca-certificates though.
[21:57] <WeatherGod> hggdh, ok just wanted to raise a flag on that
[21:57] <WeatherGod> qense, gonna need someone to do that as I am only on bugsquad
[21:58] <hggdh> WeatherGod: did you check the certificate is in?
[21:58] <WeatherGod> Symmetria, I used to used xfs on a system of mine, but had nothing but trouble
[21:59] <WeatherGod> Symmetria, although, it was a patched kernel to take that fs, so I don't know the source of the problems were
[21:59] <Symmetria> weathergod *shrug* I got 2 15 terabyte systems on that machine, and another 3 10TB systems mounted using gluster that are xfs backended, no issues so far
[21:59] <WeatherGod> hggdh, no, I haven't
[21:59] <Symmetria> my issues all tend to be network speed/tcp window size related, other than that the box runs flawlessly
[22:00] <Symmetria> heh, hoping to become the first african sourceforge mirror though so need to fix the network issues before I can do that :)
[22:00] <WeatherGod> Symmetria, good.
[22:00] <WeatherGod> Symmetria, don't worry, everyone will just think that it is the natural slowness of sourceforge
[22:01] <qense> WeatherGod: I would check if the certificate really is installed by default. It could be that the reporter forgot he/she installed it him/herself.
[22:01] <Symmetria> weathergod lol, trust me, things get a fair bit faster in .za once I mirror them, most people in .za have really really bad international bandwidth and plenty of local
[22:01] <WeatherGod> qense, true, I'll check mine
[22:01] <Symmetria> I just happen to have tons and tons of spare bandwidth to run a huge mirror inside .za to help people out with opensource content
[22:01] <qense> WeatherGod: If you want to handle the bug so you can use it in your application, just do so. Someone here can then set the status to Triaged.
[22:03] <WeatherGod> qense, I wanted to raise a flag on it, because I am no security expert, and wasn't sure if it should have been moved to CVE or something like that
[22:03] <qense> ok
[22:03] <qense> well, you say how you want to handle the bug
[22:06] <WeatherGod> well, it isn't on 3.0, that much is for sure
[22:09] <WeatherGod> and I don't see it for shiretoko
[22:14] <mrand> WeatherGod: since it is an expired cert, I wouldn't think that it is a major concern.  Ignoring that though, do you see that cert in your 9.10 system?  I don't see it on my 9.10 Mythbuntu install.
[22:14] <mrand> Perhaps he imported it somehow and forgot?
[22:14] <WeatherGod> I am currently running 9.04, I don't like upgrading during a school semester
[22:15] <WeatherGod> bad juju
[22:16] <WeatherGod> mrand, I am beginning to suspect he imported and forgot... I am just starting up the vanilla FF3.5 from mozilla
[22:22] <qense> WeatherGod: I can't find the certificate on Karmic either.
[22:22] <qense> The bug is probably invalid in that case.
[22:22] <qense> I'd suggest the reporter to clean his system of old certificate
[22:22] <qense> s
[22:24] <WeatherGod> agreed, it isn't on the vanilla ff3.5  either
[23:27] <hggdh> well, folks, keep in mind that CA certificates come from the ca-certificates and ca-certificates-java packages, *not* from firefox
[23:29] <joaopinto> hum, which package should I use to I file a bug for sound stopping when I switch to a VT, and resuming when I get back to X ?
[23:34] <kklimonda> joaopinto: I'm not sure if it's a bug
[23:35] <kklimonda> joaopinto: try to login in vt
[23:35] <joaopinto> kklimonda, ah, it plays after login
[23:36] <kklimonda> then it works as intended
[23:36] <dtchen_> that is *not* a bug
[23:37] <dtchen_> that's precisely how PA is supposed to work with ConsoleKit
[23:37] <joaopinto> ok, the login is required for the PA privileges
[23:37] <dtchen_> the foreground user has access to /dev/snd/ by design
[23:38] <joaopinto> ok, problem resolved and understood, tks :)