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[00:46] <directhex> looks like between 89% and 116% of reported karmic issues on ubuntuforums are bug 411941
[00:46] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 411941 in gtk+2.0 "f-spot.exe crashes when using new wave theme" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/411941
[01:03] <Yoe> hi -- I'm the Debian (and upstream) maintainer of nbd, which is still at a rather old version in ubuntu
[01:03] <Yoe> There's a "please merge" bug open in launchpad, but it hasn't seen an update in quite a while now
[01:04] <Yoe> I've prepared a patch, but launchpad seems to hate me; would anyone here be kind enough to post the URL for me? http://grep.be/~wouter/ubuntu/nbd_2.9.14-2ubuntu1.dsc
[01:04] <Yoe> thanks!
[01:05] <chrisccoulson> directhex - interesting. is it possible to run mono applications with "--sync"?
[01:05] <chrisccoulson> the backtrace in that bug report isn't particularly useful, as the X error actually occurred at some point in the past
[01:06] <directhex> Yoe, are there specific reasons for ubuntu to remain diverged? are there ubuuntu-specific patches which couldn't be binned or usefully integrated?
[01:07] <directhex> chrisccoulson, i'm not aware of such an ability, but the gtk-sharp mailing list would know better
[01:07] <chrisccoulson> directhex - thanks
[01:07] <directhex> chrisccoulson, it'd be nice if you could set an env var to alter than behaviour
[01:08] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure if there is anything in xlib that honours that. it would probably be worth me checking
[01:08] <dtchen_> directhex: it looks like the changes from 1:2.9.11-2ubuntu1 are still relevant
[01:08] <chrisccoulson> (or i could just run f-spot in GDB and break on XSynchronize)
[01:09] <chrisccoulson> assuming that's possible :-/
[01:10] <dtchen_> Yoe: done. Also subscribed ubuntu-main-sponsors.
[01:10] <directhex> dtchen_, oh, one of THOSE kinds of divergence. those need carrying for years :/
[01:10] <dtchen_> Yoe: thank you for looking into it.
[01:18] <JanC> eh, nbd is treated as a "native" package or what?
[01:19] <dtchen_> JanC: hmm? It's a normal upstream-DebRevUbuntuRev
[01:20] <dtchen_> unless I misunderstood your question
[01:22] <JanC> apperently I was looking wrong
[01:46] <i--pink> hii
[01:46] <i--pink> someone here?
[01:47] <persia> !ask | i-pink
[01:47] <ubottu> i-pink: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[01:47] <i--pink> hehe
[01:47] <i--pink> ok
[01:48] <i--pink> how i cant make the point in the cursor bigger
[01:49] <persia> i--pink: I suspect you want #ubuntu: this isn't a support channel.
[01:49] <i--pink> persia, ^
[01:50] <i--pink> hehe.. is developer channel..
[01:50] <i--pink> i need to make it, is not a problem in the ubuntu, is something are i need to make
[01:52] <i--pink> is for touch-screen
[01:52] <persia> i--pink: Ah, you want to adjust the contact point size for a touch screen?
[01:53] <i--pink> yes
[01:53] <i--pink> to resize the point on the cursor
[01:54] <i--pink> now is 1 pixel and i want to make it 20 pixels
[01:54] <persia> Well, one of those is a config change and the other is a replacement graphic.  The person who knows best isn't about right now, and this still isn't the right channel, unless you're proposing to change it for Ubuntu (in which case I'd recommend proposing it for an ubuntu-mobile meeting)
[01:55] <persia> Note that the X event will still be a single X,Y coordinate, so it may not achieve the effect you want.
[01:55] <i--pink> mmm ok
[01:55] <i--pink> no no no
[01:55] <i--pink> look.
[01:57] <i--pink> the cursor make effect only on 1 pixel, i want it effect on circle of 20 pixels
[01:58] <persia> i--pink: I think that would be very tricky, as I think X assumes a single pixel, as do most X clients.
[01:59] <i--pink> mmm ok
[02:00] <i--pink> and you know about option to show all the open windows - without compiz
[02:02] <persia> libwnck can be a useful way to access that.
[02:04] <i--pink> i mean some fetcher in ubuntu,
[02:05] <i--pink> i am dont want to make it if it's done.
[02:06] <persia> i--pink: There's a whole bunch of them.  `apt-cache rdepends libwnck22` will show at least 5 (although some of what it shows are also not tools to do that)
[02:08] <i--pink> what is this list?
[02:09] <persia> It's a list of packages that use libwnck.  Note that there are also other libraries to handle window stuff, so it's not a complete list.
[02:10] <i--pink> i get 100 lines..
[02:10] <persia> I only get 39.  You may have more sources enabled in your sources.list than I.
[02:11] <i--pink> what is avant-window-navigator
[02:11] <persia> Your package manager will tell you.
[02:11] <i--pink> hehe
[02:12] <i--pink> Error: Screen isn't composited. Please run compiz (-fusion) or another compositing manager.
[02:12] <i--pink> dont help me
[02:12] <i--pink> it use compiz :(
[02:12] <maco> its a dock program
[02:12] <maco> think like at the bottom of a mac
[02:12] <JanC> no, it needs a compositing manager
[02:13] <i--pink> ahhhh avn
[02:13] <i--pink> AWN
[02:13] <i--pink> *
[02:14]  * persia notes that both the purpose of the tool and the use of the composite extension are in the package description
[02:15] <i--pink> no no.. i need something like ALT+TAB but after it you can chose the application with the mouse
[02:15] <persia> i--pink: Right.  So, to get that, you'll either want to ask for good applications that meet your needs in the support channel, or investigate the available applications using the development tools and testing :)
[02:17] <i--pink> i ask you if you hear about application like this OR i need to make it..
[02:20] <JanC> i--pink: I don't think there are any in the Ubuntu repositories outside of compiz, or maybe AWN (which I don't use so don't know)
[02:20] <persia> Understood.  I'm not familiar with all the applications that do window selection.  That's why I pointed you to a handy library that does that (so you could investigate the tools that use it), or to the support channel, where there tends to be at least someone familiar with almost any application available.
[02:20] <JanC> but I think you have a bigger chance in #ubuntu to hear about such applications
[02:21] <maco> i--pink: ive never heard of anything like that for linux
[02:22] <JanC> maco: well, compiz does it, so everybody uses that  ;)
[02:22] <i--pink> is for a concept netbook
[02:22] <JanC> why not use compiz then?
[02:22] <i--pink> but compiz kill the processor
[02:22] <maco> JanC: can you choose with mouse whch thing to pick when you alt+tab in compiz??
[02:23] <JanC> no, it doesn't, it runs almost completely on the GPU
[02:23] <persia> i--pink: Select a different GPU, with accelerated #d drivers for x.
[02:23] <ScottK> maco: The problem is the wrong compositing.  Kwin works great on netbooks.
[02:23] <JanC> maco: not with alt-tab maybe, but there is a way to do it IIRC
[02:23] <i--pink> is not only that
[02:24] <JanC> ScottK: compiz (and kwin, I suppose) works on intel 8xx graphics cards, which are way less powerful than what is in a netbook
[02:24] <i--pink> if i rotate the screen in 90 deg. compiz make crazy things
[02:25] <ScottK> JanC: Works great on my Dell mini 10v (Kwin with plasma-netbook)
[02:25] <JanC> i--pink: ah, then file bugs to compiz  ;)
[02:25] <i--pink> i have accelerometer and it control on the screen rotate
[02:25] <JanC> ScottK: which has either 915 or poulsbo?
[02:25] <ScottK> JanC: 915.
[02:25] <i--pink> is atom 1.6 and 945
[02:25] <JanC> right, the same as my EEE 900
[02:25] <ScottK> JanC: Sorry, 945.
[02:26] <persia> I didn't think there were any poulsbo drivers for recent X.
[02:26] <ScottK> Mini 10 is poulsbo, 10v in 945.
[02:26] <JanC> seriously, that GPU has too much power for compiz already  ;)
[02:26] <i--pink> and games not work good with compiz
[02:26] <ScottK> persia: There aren't.
[02:26] <JanC> except if you want some of the more crazy plugins
[02:27] <i--pink> you get flickering screen
[02:27] <persia> i--pink: Games work fine with compiz, as long as there is GPU power available.  Making them work together is a BOM decision, rather than a software decision.
[02:27] <Amaranth> JanC: I can't think of a plugin that would be slow on a 945 except maybe blur
[02:27] <Amaranth> assuming blur works...
[02:27] <Amaranth> BOM?
[02:28] <Amaranth> ODM?
[02:28] <persia> bill-of-materials: the stuff inside the computer
[02:28] <JanC> Amaranth: yeah, blur is what caused problems on my laptop in the past
[02:28] <Amaranth> persia: Actually as long as the driver is done properly compiz should have almost zero impact on games
[02:28] <i--pink> if i open a game like tux racer the screen start flickering
[02:29] <persia> Amaranth: hrm?  What happens if I'm running nifty stuff and other nifty stuff and run out of ability to process polygons?
[02:29] <JanC> i--pink: on karmic?
[02:29] <Amaranth> persia: Unless you're actively using compiz effects the only real cost is the GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap which is supposed to be a noop
[02:29] <i--pink> on hardy
[02:29] <Amaranth> persia: Well, I suppose you could run out of memory...
[02:29] <i--pink> i use hardy
[02:29] <JanC> i--pink: right, intel driver improved a lot since then  ;)
[02:30] <i--pink> all the support channels and the forums tell me to disable the compiz
[02:30] <Amaranth> persia: But so long as the pixmap is in video memory GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap should be zero-copy, just some bookkeeping to use it as a texture
[02:30] <Amaranth> persia: Although afaik that's really only possible with GEM/TTM
[02:30] <persia> Amaranth: right, but a lot of the lower-cost memory solutions are limited in various ways.
[02:30] <i--pink> and when i disable it the games start work good!
[02:31] <Amaranth> i--pink: So disable it
[02:31] <persia> s/memory/video/
[02:31] <i--pink> but now the the touch-screen not useful
[02:31] <JanC> Amaranth: he wants some sort of "exposé"-like tool, which would be easiest to do with compiz of course
[02:32] <Amaranth> persia: Well intel should be the best at this, really
[02:32] <i--pink> what is s/memory/video/ ?
[02:32] <Amaranth> JanC: In that case I guess he'll have to try again with karmic :)
[02:32] <persia> i--pink: sed command to apply to my last statement.
[02:32] <i--pink> i delete the karmic today
[02:33] <persia> Amaranth: poulsbo aside, yes :)
[02:33] <Amaranth> crap, poulsbo...
[02:33] <JanC> he has 945
[02:33] <Amaranth> try again with lucid? :)
[02:33] <i--pink> i have not drivers for the touch-screen
[02:33] <JanC> i--pink: so, you dano't have karmic drivers for the touch screen you mean?
[02:33] <JanC> don't
[02:34] <Amaranth> i--pink: Try installing compizconfig-settings-manager then running ccsm and disabling Unredirect Fullscreen Windows in General Options
[02:34] <i--pink> i cant calibrate the touch-screen
[02:34] <i--pink> yes
[02:34] <i--pink> i try it
[02:34] <i--pink> not work
[02:34] <JanC> hm, and you can't use a touchscreen that has open source drivers?
[02:35] <i--pink> is penmount
[02:36] <i--pink> i try to install the drivers of the 9.04 and it calibrate the screen but disable the keyboard..
[02:37] <i--pink> and i try to remove the calibration tool from the startup but is back all the time..
[02:38] <i--pink> after 5 testings and 3 days i back to the stable hardy
[02:38] <sbalneav> tkamppeter: Hey, Till, you about?
[02:39] <i--pink> this ids the driver
[02:39] <i--pink> http://www.penmount.com/down_2_1_6k.php
[02:40] <i--pink> i work with the USB
[02:40] <sbalneav> tkamppeter: if you're about, I'm tracking down Bug #307471
[02:40] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 307471 in cupsys "Multi bin printing broken in OpenOffice.org due to cupsys pstops filter bug" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/307471
[02:44] <JanC> i--pink: I guess they will release an Ubuntu 9.10 driver in the future?  Maybe ask them?
[04:02] <RAOF> Urgh.  Why is pv->disk being NULL in grub-probe?  That makes everything unhappy.
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[11:37] <hsn> if i traslate app on launchpad, it gets exported upstream?
[11:41] <manuel_> does a update from 904 work if the whole system is enctypted?
[11:41] <manuel_> thanks
[13:12] <cumulus007> Hi, I have just completed the Dutch translation of the Ubuntu 9.10 release notes. I made a note of them on this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/ReleaseNotes/Translations
[13:12] <cumulus007> Should I do anything else to make sure that my translation will be used and will be accessible via the installer's start page?
[13:21] <ari-tczew> qa.ubuntuwire.org is down :-(
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[14:07] <Symmetria> lo all, quick question, has anyone seen any problems with the ixgbe drivers under both jaunty and karmic (I've tried various kernels), I am getting odd kernel panics and stuff when I start throwing serious traffic around
[14:10] <Symmetria> http://inetpro.org/pastebin/79 <=== thats what I'm seeing
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[16:52] <lhasbs> ubuntu doesnt seem to like being in a saved state in virtualbox
[16:52] <lhasbs> ipv4 network is missing
[16:53] <lhasbs> the /etc/init.d/networking restart doesnt re up it
[16:54] <dtchen_> it wouldn't. You want to restart network-manager.
[16:54] <lhasbs> is there a quick way to do so?
[16:54] <lhasbs> and why doesn't it restart with the above command?
[16:54] <dtchen_> in 9.10, sudo restart network-manager
[16:56] <lhasbs> I al;ready did that, this is 9.04 though
[16:56] <lhasbs> added iface eth0 line to interfaces, good to go
[16:56] <lhasbs> I removed n-m from 9.04
[16:57] <lhasbs> dtchen_ ?
[16:57] <dtchen_> lhasbs: yes?
[16:57] <lhasbs> am I correct here?
[16:57] <dtchen_> lhasbs: to what does "correct" refer?
[16:58] <maco> lhasbs: if 9.04 then its called NetworkManager
[16:58] <dtchen_> in 9.04, it would be /etc/init.d/NetworkManager
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[18:44] <lhasbs> Is there any easy way to change monitor driver in ubuntu. i have to do this to get a higher resolution. It says i got a compaq 16" but it's 17".
[18:45] <azeem> lhasbs: please ask in #ubuntu; this is not a support channel
[18:45] <lhasbs> done there
[18:45] <lhasbs> noone answered sir
[18:45] <azeem> sorry about that
[18:45] <lhasbs> :/
[18:45] <azeem> try again during the week or the forums then
[18:45] <lhasbs> ok
[20:27] <sam__> hey
[20:27] <sam__> just want to say something
[20:28] <dtchen_> ugh. Ubuntu needs libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio on the discs as opposed to libsdl1.2debian-alsa. Which is going to be tough because Kubuntu and Xubuntu don't ship PulseAudio.
[20:30] <sam__> my wifi finally works out of the box, thank you...
[20:51] <m4t> any recommendations for a non adobe flash plugin for firefox? gnash?
[20:52] <m4t> there isn't one in the base desktop install, is there? i don't recall removing one..
[20:52] <maco> OT for this channel, but i like swfdec
[20:52] <m4t> all i need is flash cookies
[20:52] <Kartinka> Is there anyone who knows a lot about DevKit and udev Rules?! I need some help by hiding unmounted partitions.
[20:55] <maco> m4t: no there is not
[20:55] <maco> m4t: swfdec is what i used for about a year, but again...not exactly a -devel question
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[21:03] <Kartinka> mh
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[21:30] <Symmetria> ullo all
[21:30] <Symmetria> anyone awake?
[21:32] <maco> i think many are either on airplanes or packing to get on airplanes
[21:32] <Symmetria> http://inetpro.org/pastebin/79 <=== I need someone who can give me SOME clue as to whats going on there
[21:32] <Symmetria> the moment I start downloading serious traffic through ixgbe, I start seeing messages like that in dmesg, and then the box locks up solid
[21:32] <Symmetria> and I've tested it on 3 different machines configured identically
[21:33]  * Symmetria is thinking memory leak in the tcp stack with adjusted window sizes
[21:33] <maco> file a bug against the kernel?
[21:33] <maco> "ubuntu-bug linux"
[21:34] <Symmetria> :) yeah was just hoping for some pointers first so that I could include a bit more detail in a bug report rather than saying "I see this, and the box locks up" :) figured maybe someone had something for me that would allow me to do some more investigations first
[21:35] <maco> ubuntu-bug will attach some information
[21:35] <maco> lets take this over to #ubuntu-bugs
[21:47] <serialorder> i was going to merge telepathy-mission-control-5 but the change introduced was to ship the AccountManager service file
[21:47] <serialorder> there is a note in the readme that says  "# The AccountManager.service is inappropriate on mainstream distributions"
[21:48] <serialorder> got me thinking that maybe this is not something we should ship with lucid
[21:49] <ScottK> serialorder: For telepathy stuff, I think bigon is the best person to ask.
[21:50] <serialorder> ScottK, ok
[23:27] <pvl1> hey, i really wanna learn to develop for ubuntu, but i dont know where to begin. are there sdk's or something like that?
[23:27] <sebner> !MOTU | pvl1
[23:27] <ubottu> pvl1: motu is short for Masters of the Universe. The brave souls who maintain the packages in the Universe section of Ubuntu. See  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[23:28] <sebner> pvl1: "click here!"
[23:29] <pvl1> i was looking at that page but i got confused as to what i was looking for
[23:29] <pvl1> i guess ill look around a bit more
[23:29] <pvl1> ty
[23:30] <sebner> np
[23:34] <bigon> serialorder: well I'm not really aware of the mc5 stuff, you can maybe ask smcv (upstream and debian maintainer)
[23:36] <sjoerd> sebner: shipping that services file is perfectly fine
[23:36] <sjoerd> uhm, serialorder ^^
[23:38] <bigon> oh you're here too :)
[23:38] <sjoerd> bigon: i'm everywhere :p