[01:27] <linxeh> hi there, I've got a gigabyte GA-E7AUM-DS2H based system running ubuntu 9.10, but struggling to get audio over hdmi working - any advice ?
[01:32] <linxeh> this new fangled audio stuff is confusing me :)
[01:52] <Shadow__X> hello everyone i read on the mythuntu site that 8.4 isnt compatible with mythtv .22 how is that true
[01:54] <Josh__> Is anyone running a 0.22 MBE on Ubuntu-Server? I noticed some insane slowdowns and was wondering if it was related to that....
[02:05] <linxeh> 8.04 you mean
[02:13] <mrand> Shadow__X: The Mythbuntu group has only generated 0.22 packages at 9.04 and 9.10.  I think there is a backported version of QT4.4 for 8.04 if you were so inclined to try building it yourself - unfortunately the Mythbuntu doesn't have the time/resources.
[02:13] <mrand> err.  the Mythbuntu _group_
[02:27] <Shadow__X> `right i gotcha yeah i guess ill be upgrading to 9.04 or 9.10 then
[02:27] <Shadow__X> i was at 8.04
[02:28] <Shadow__X> upgrade to 8.10 seem to have worked
[02:29] <cba123> Has anyone tried Mythbuntu Karmic on an eeebox (one of these: http://gizmodo.com/5350079/asus-eeebox-eb1012-has-ion-graphics-1080p-hdmi-output)?  It claims 1080p output because it has an nvidia ion card, just wanted to see if anyone could verify that.
[02:33] <hads> I have an Ion box, not an Asus though.
[02:33] <hads> It does 1080p at about 10% CPU
[02:34] <hads> VDPAU is cool.
[02:38] <Shadow__X> i cant wait to use it that way itll free up some cpu cycles
[02:38] <mrand> Shadow__X: you mean VDPAU?
[02:40] <Shadow__X> mrand: yeah i am upgrading to 9.04 right now so i can actually use .22
[02:40] <Shadow__X> i am trying to decide if 9.04 is a good place to stop or upgrade to 9.10
[02:42] <Shadow__X> mrand: should i stay at 9.04 or upgrade to 9.10
[02:43] <mrand> Shadow__X: That's a harder question to answer....
[02:44] <mrand> There are some kernel changes on in 2.6.31 (included in 9.10) that are causing a few people with digital tuners problems.  What video capture do you have?
[02:48] <mrand> Shadow__X: specifically the driver for the HVR-1300, -1400, -3000, -4000 I think are affected.  Some people have compiled later kernels with patches successfully to fix that problem.
[02:54] <hads> Apart from that (I haven't run into that) 9.10 is sweet.
[02:56] <hads> Shadow__X: Not only does it free up CPU cycles, the deinterlacers are nice too.
[03:16] <groogs> I am doing a channel scan w/ a PVR-150, and it seems to freeze as soon as it doesn't find a channel: it has "Scanning us-cable 7   No Lock" at the top. it does find channels 2 to 6 (as expected)
[03:16] <groogs> and if i unplug the cable and scan, it does the same thing, but is stuck at channel 2. as soon as i plug in the cable, it finds them and stops on 7.   any ideas what's going on?
[03:16] <Josh__> groogs, you dont scan analog channels.
[03:16] <Josh__> groogs, just fetch the listings and you're done
[03:17] <groogs> oh? (I did in myth 0.20/0.21
[03:17] <groogs> hm.  have a different problem then
[03:17] <Josh__> Channel scanning is only for digital cards.
[03:17] <groogs> i should be getting some other channels.. they exist in my lineup, which i was using with myth 0.21
[03:18] <groogs> and if i plug the cable into a Tv, it finds them.. but this box doesn't get them at all.  i figured a channel scan might be able to adjust frequency or something
[03:33] <Thelasko> Does anybody know how to make front end control work with mythweb?
[03:47] <Shadow__X> hmm hads yeah i have a hvr 1600 and 1800 but worst case scenario i can just compile the v4l-dvb kernel driver
[03:47] <mrand> Josh__: I believe you should be able to scan analog channels.
[03:48] <mrand> groogs: check out Bug 452779
[03:48] <Zinn> Bug 452779 in mythtv (Ubuntu) "Scanning for channels hangs on channel 1 with PVR-150" [High, Triaged] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/452779
[03:48] <Josh__> mrand, Mabye so, but I've *always* been told to just pull the channel list from SD
[03:48] <Shadow__X> yeah for analog you pull the channel list
[03:48] <mrand> Josh__: I suspect that would work as well... as long as that has all your channels :-)
[03:49] <mrand> Shadow__X: you might check out the patch instructions towards the end of  Bug 439163
[03:49] <Zinn> Bug 439163 in mythbuntu "HVR-1300 HVR-3000 HVR-4000 broken in kernel" [High, Triaged] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/439163
[03:51] <hads> Thelasko: Enable network control in the frontend settings and it should work.
[03:54] <mrand> bed time.  later all.
[03:56] <Shadow__X> doesnt seem to mention 1600 or 1800
[04:02] <Shadow__X> upgrading to 9.10 ville now
[04:06] <Thelasko> Hads: yeah, I did that.  I think I just need to restart it now.
[04:06] <Thelasko> I'm headed to bed
[04:06] <Thelasko> thanks
[05:36] <Demerzel> hello folks
[05:36] <Demerzel> anyone around?
[05:39] <foxbuntu> Demerzel, not a single person ;)
[05:39] <Demerzel> heh
[05:39] <foxbuntu> !ask | Demerzel
[05:39] <Zinn> Demerzel: Please don't ask if anyone is around or if it is alright to ask a question.  Many people check back periodically and may answer your question when they see it.  IRC is not normally an instant fix so check back often for an answer.
[05:39] <Demerzel> i'm trying to figure out why my myth frontend isn't responding to lirc ... lircd is up and running, irw connects to the lirc daemon and displays keys as i press them on the remote but mythfrontend doesn't response to anything
[05:40] <Demerzel> i just saw something that might be the answer ...
[05:40] <Demerzel> i have my lirc configs in ~/.lirc/
[05:40] <Demerzel> should they be in ~/.mythtv ?
[05:41] <Demerzel> i've got a ~/.lirc/mythtv and a ~/.lirc/mplayer
[05:41] <Demerzel> i suppose i could unify them and put them under ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[05:42] <foxbuntu> Demerzel, they should be in ~/.lirc/
[05:43] <foxbuntu> Demerzel, did you configure the remote while mythfrontend was open?
[05:43] <Demerzel> no
[05:43] <Demerzel> so this is a slightly out-of-mainstream setup
[05:43] <Demerzel> it's a diskless frontend
[05:43] <Demerzel> that's planned to be 1 of 3
[05:44] <Demerzel> so i'm trying to genericize as much as possible
[05:44] <Demerzel> i.e. minimize what gets stored in the overlay
[05:44] <Demerzel> so i don't do any configuration on the frontend if possible
[05:44] <Demerzel> just use hand-generated files
[05:44] <Demerzel> i just spotted mythbuntu-lircrc-generator
[05:44] <Demerzel> i wonder if it'll show me the way
[05:45] <foxbuntu> Demerzel, it will generate the entire file for you...sounds like your lircrc files are bad
[05:45] <Demerzel> probably
[05:46] <foxbuntu> Demerzel, be sure to recycle lirc ( sudo /etc/init.d/lirc restart ) and then close and reopen mythfrontend after you are done
[05:47] <Demerzel> yup
[05:47] <Demerzel> rebuilding the ltsp image now
[05:47] <Demerzel> i'll test out the frontend shortly
[05:48] <Demerzel> also
[05:48] <Demerzel> autofs
[05:48] <Demerzel> i love it :)
[05:48] <Demerzel> helps me auto mount my shizzle for watching videos and listening to music
[05:48] <Demerzel> thanks for the help foxbuntu!
[05:49] <foxbuntu> Demerzel, np
[05:50] <Shadow__X> how do i get mythbuntu 9.10 shell to act like the one is 8.04
[05:50] <Shadow__X> by that i mean accept multiple keypresses
[05:50] <Shadow__X> and do key repeat
[05:51] <Demerzel> Shadow__X: are you talking about the terminal?
[05:57] <Shadow__X> yes
[06:00] <hads> Oo I can fix the theme with a DPkg::Post-Invoke rule
[06:09] <hads> DPkg::Post-Invoke { "sed -i 's/<showcategories>yes<\/showcategories>/<showcategories>no<\/showcategories>/' /usr/share/mythtv/themes/Mythbuntu/schedule-ui.xml"; };
[06:10] <hads> That seems to do it.
[06:12] <Shadow__X> Demerzel: yes
[06:13] <hads> What's wrong with it?
[06:14] <Shadow__X> hads: are you taling to me?
[06:14] <Shadow__X> if so keys dont get repeated
[06:15] <Shadow__X> so if i press a key and hold it it just acts as if i pressed it once
[06:15] <hads> Weird
[06:15] <Shadow__X> yup
[06:15] <hads> I don't use it myself but that doesn't sound normal.
[06:15] <Shadow__X> it doesnt happen on my other boxes
[06:27] <westbore> for mythbuntu 9.10 if want to use the same pc for wacthing tv and record tv what to select during installation
[06:33] <Shadow__X> desktp frontend
[09:47] <tseitsei> can anyone help me get the epg work? I have a fresh install of Mythbuntu 9.10, and the epg worked with 9.04 on the same machine.
[09:50] <tseitsei> I have a dvb-c card, 'use dvb card for active eit scan' is on, listings grabber is set to 'transmitted guide only (eit)', and 'use on air guide' is on for all the channels
[09:51] <tseitsei> I created a channels.conf with scan, imported the file, and then just to be sure, deleted all the channels and scanned all the transports to get them 'natively' scanned
[09:52] <tseitsei> and the problem now is that I can watch tv, but get no eit data for any channels. also I don't see any eitscanner messages in the logs
[09:53] <tseitsei> Here's a snip from the backend log: http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/m3aa20b87
[11:41] <map7> I'm having trouble getting my EPG to work, I've tried EIT and Shepherd and still there is nothing
[11:41] <map7> I've restarted my backend and frontend
[11:42] <map7> I'm using the new mythbuntu 9.10, can anyone help?
[12:06] <tmkt> epg?
[12:09] <tseitsei> electronic program guide
[12:10] <tseitsei> map7,  I have the same problem. no epg data for any channel
[14:24] <new2linx>  trying to run mythrename.pl from master backend and I am gettting "This host not configured for myth, (No RecordFilePrefix defined for dell in the settings table.)" can anyone help please?
[14:24] <new2linx>  someone suggested I need to copy a ~/.mythtv/config.xml from a frontend that cansuccessfully connect to database and paste it on the master backend but the master backend already has a config.xml. it contains this: http://pastebin.com/f2d5d25e6
[14:31] <mrand> Sorry, I've not played with mythrename.pl... and I'm not sure anyone else is awake.
[14:31] <mrand> or at least, up and online.
[15:05] <despo> Hi all!
[15:06] <despo> Is it possible to run mythubuntu 9.10 on kernel 2.6.28??
[15:14] <chris|> sure, shouldn't be a problem
[15:36] <mrand> Using 2.6.28 on 9.10 creates sound problems for some people.  And maybe irc problems.  On occasion, things move and those moves are coordinated on a releases.  I'm tempted to say that if you try it and everything works, there is no harm in continuing to do so.
[15:36] <mrand> despo: ^
[15:36] <mrand> s/irc/lirc
[16:14] <despo> Great thanks!
[16:14] <despo> It's only a backend server...
[16:14] <despo> So i don't care about the sound.
[16:14] <despo> or irc
[18:20] <hugolp> hi, I installed Ubuntu 9.10 clean on a computer wich had Ubuntu 9.04 and Mythtv-frontend working. I have installed mythtv-frontend again, and now LiveTV makes the frontend crash randomly
[18:21] <hugolp> It makes watching LiveTV imposible. Instead if I record the program and watch it (almost) live, its fine
[18:22] <linxeh> any advice on getting audio over hdmi working on the gigabyte intel / geforce 9400 based mobo?
[18:24] <linxeh> alsa sees the device, but gnome etc arent routing audio over it (what on earth happened to all the audio settings / mixer etc?)
[18:47] <linxeh> heh ok, so the device output was turned off in alsamixer
[20:19] <hugolp> hi, I installed Ubuntu 9.10 clean on a computer wich had Ubuntu 9.04 and Mythtv-frontend working. I have installed mythtv-frontend again, and now LiveTV makes the frontend crash randomly. It makes watching LiveTV imposible. Instead if I record the program and watch it (almost) live, its fine.
[20:29] <m1k3> hugolp, 9.10 has issues
[20:30] <hugolp> m1k3:  I know, and I know this is made by volunteers. I have been with Mythtv for years now, and it had issues but it was ok. But the frontend crashing while watching live tv is very annoying
[20:31] <mrand> Are you guys running auto-builds?  I don't know that there are specific bug fixes for what you're seeing, but it is worth a try.
[20:33] <m1k3> hugolp, 9.10 crippled my machine.
[20:33] <mrand> m1k3: what specifically?
[20:35] <m1k3> mrand, Where do you want me to start.   I did an upgrade from 9.04.  (Mine was a regular Ubunut not Mythbuntu)
[20:35] <mrand> m1k3: well, let's start at the end.  What is the biggest thing not working?
[20:36] <m1k3> mrand, Grub error 13 which nuked my 1TB NTFS 2nd hard drive with all my WIndows Crap
[20:36] <m1k3> mrand, boot went from 30secs to 1m30seconds.  Even installed uber read head, and got it down to 1m17secs
[20:37] <m1k3> mrand, still no blue tooth.   Hanbrake is broken (0.93) with new lib on Karmic.
[20:39] <m1k3> mrand, I never have had any blue hue bug issues with Nvidia on any older releases.  9.10 using same Nvidia 180 make all play back blue.
[20:39] <mrand> Don't understand the boot time issue.  Very sorry to hear about the grub thing.  If you were doing an upgrade, it surprises me greatly that something destructive would happen.
[20:39] <m1k3> mrand, I was told 8800 GTS 640 supported VDAPU and upgraded to 190 all for nothing.  First gen 8000 series do not support VDAPU
[20:40] <mrand> m1k3: don't know if it would help, but there are now: two packages: nvidia-glx-190  and  nvidia-glx-185
[20:40] <m1k3> mrand, ran both, both blue hue
[20:40] <m1k3> mrand, word on the street it is a nvidia problem.
[20:41] <m1k3> I would like to know what I can really do with Myth...
[20:41] <flodin> me i couldn't even watch tv at all after upgrading :)
[20:41] <mrand> Wow.  Sorry I can't help you more.  Vast majority of users are happy with the upgrade (ignoring pulse audio sometimes getting in the way, or a random kernel driver regression).  Sounds like you're config really pushes some buttons within Ubuntu :-)
[20:42] <flodin> had to go back to 8.10
[20:42] <mrand> You would make a good beta tester for the next release :-)
[20:42] <m1k3> mrand, actually I had audio issues to.  I got that fixed.  asoundrc was the culprit
[20:44] <mrand> Interesting.  Hadn't heard of that causing problems.  Could be anything, I guess.
[20:44] <m1k3> mrand, probably more issues I can't think of atm, to many to count. So yea. 9.10 has been pain in the ***
[20:45] <mrand> Well, hopefully this was the "press the envelope" release and 10.04 will be much smoother.  MythTV should be much more stable by then... plenty of time for it to capture bug fixes.
[21:43] <frego_> mlk3>  I too had the grub error 13.  Ended up grub was installing to sda instead of sdc
[21:44] <frego_> in my bios I was set to boot off the 3rd drive which had the older grub on it.  They've updated to grub2 now.  So by the sound of it, you have grub2 on a dif't disk than the boot disk.. Either change your boot order or update grub on your boot disk
[21:45] <frego_> and grub error 13 overwrites your MBR but not the windows partition.  You probably need to do a fixmbr from the recovery console to get that drive back
[21:49] <quinten> hi
[21:49] <quinten> since i upgraded to .22, when the automatic commercial detection goes too far and i rewind, it doesn't let me. it keeps skipping
[21:50] <quinten> in .21, it wouldn't auto-skip right after i rewinded
[21:50] <quinten> is this a known bug?
[21:52] <mrand> quinten: I'm not sure.... does this happen with every recording?  You might get more confirmation one way or the other on #mythtv-users
[21:53] <quinten> definitely with every recording
[22:03] <baz_> hey gang, typical question here, but google seems to be outdated - I am looking for a high-end, digital, hdtv tv tuner to plug my computer to comcast - using ubuntu 9+? Suggestions for something good that works out of the box?
[22:11] <rhpot1991> baz_: what kind of channels are you looking to record?
[22:12] <rhpot1991> and you say comcast, with a cable box/without?
[22:17] <quinten> baz_: hdhomerun works great, but only for the local network channels
[22:24] <baz_> rhpot1991, i'm no expert, I kinda expected to record any/all channels that I get including the networks, hbo, showtime, hd channels, whatever - is that not how it works?
[22:25] <baz_> quinten, same comment to you :)
[22:26] <rhpot1991> baz_: well I have 2 recomendations, a HDHR for your local channels
[22:26] <rhpot1991> they will be broadcast in the clear with your comcast
[22:26] <rhpot1991> and a HDPVR to hook up to a cable box, and you can use this to record the rest of your channels
[22:27] <rhpot1991> making the assumption we are talking HD/digital here?
[22:27] <baz_> regarding the cable-box comment, I can get one if needed, right now i have an hd pvr on my main tv and these tiny little simple digital boxes for other tv's
[22:28] <baz_> i think everything is digital now
[22:28] <baz_> so i need 2 boxes?
[22:28] <baz_> or 2 tuners that is?
[22:28] <rhpot1991> you could get by with your hd-pvr for now
[22:28] <rhpot1991> but if you want to record more than one thing you will need more tuners
[22:29] <rhpot1991> http://www.silicondust.com/products?redirectedfrom=products%2Fhdhomerun
[22:29] <Thelasko> Okay, so I have "enable network remote control interface" checked, but I still can't control the front end with mythweb.
[22:29] <baz_> i was thinking of keeping my comcast pvr in the living room, a using a computer based solution in my office
[22:29] <rhpot1991> thats the HDHR, 0.22 supports multi-rec with it so you can be recording 4+ recordings at once
[22:29] <Thelasko> What port is it supposed to use?
[22:30] <rhpot1991> baz_: when you said hd-pvr, did you mean the comcast one?
[22:30] <Thelasko> sorry to cut in by the way
[22:33] <baz_> rhpot1991, yeah i did, the stock box they give (sell) you
[22:33] <rhpot1991> baz_: well thats useless in mythtv world
[22:33] <rhpot1991> this is what I meant by hd-pvr: http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html
[22:35] <baz_> rhpot1991, that looks cool, if I buy that and install myth would i have a complete tv viewing/recording solution?
[22:36] <baz_> (obviously it works with ubuntu right)
[22:37] <rhpot1991> baz_: well the first tuner would allow you to record your OTA channels (fox, cbs, nbc, abc, etc) and possibly some select others
[22:37] <rhpot1991> the 2nd tuner I posted would allow you to hook up to a cable box and record anything the cable box can see
[22:37] <rhpot1991> but will occupy your cable box while recording, so you can't watch tv on it at the same time
[22:38] <rhpot1991> baz_: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable
[22:38] <rhpot1991> you can put your zipcode in here to see what channels may be available for the HDHR: http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/channels_us
[22:39] <baz_> i'm confused about needing multiple tuners to see different channels - right now a single cable comes to my home, I attach a cable box to it, then display any channel on my tv - what is the fundamental difference with computers that doesn't allow me to do the same?
[22:40] <rhpot1991> you need a tuner per channel you want to record at the same time
[22:40] <rhpot1991> if you have 8 tuners you can record 8 channels at once
[22:40] <rhpot1991> digital cable is encrypted
[22:40] <rhpot1991> that box you have from comcast decrypts it
[22:41] <rhpot1991> so you need one of them for use with the hd-pvr for recording
[22:41] <baz_> rhpot1991, oh yes that i get, i'm ok with recording/watching 1 channel at a time - the separation between the networks (abc, nbc, cbs) and other channels (hbo, showtime, comedycentral) is what is confusing me
[22:41] <rhpot1991> comcast also broadcasts your local channels to you unencrypted (required by law) so something like a HDHR or any clear QAM tuner can record those (you may have one of these tuners in your tv for example)
[22:41] <quinten> what rhpot1991 said. comcast encrypts the expensive channels
[22:42] <baz_> rhpot1991, oh i see, they are broadcast differently
[22:42] <rhpot1991> baz_: pretty much a matter of encrypted vs unencrypted
[22:42] <rhpot1991> why I recommended 2 tuners, one for each type
[22:42] <quinten> there is no solution that works with linux that will let you just grab those channels off of the cable--the hd-pvr basically records the same output as the tv, not the digitized signal from the cable company
[22:42] <baz_> so i need 2 tuners at minimum no matter what? or are them some that do both?
[22:43] <rhpot1991> baz_: if you wanted to go with just one, and needed to record encrypted channels then the HD-PVR will do for now
[22:43] <quinten> baz_: you could buy multiple hd-pvrs, but as the hd-pvr reencodes the signal, the hd-homerun will work better for the local channels
[22:43] <quinten> at least theoretically
[22:43] <rhpot1991> plus HD-PVR requires a cable box
[22:43] <rhpot1991> so your cable bill will grow as you add them
[22:43] <rhpot1991> its much easier to use a HDHR for everything it can record, and have a HD-PVR to record everything else
[22:43] <quinten> it is messy, and the problem that cable card was supposed to fix
[22:44] <rhpot1991> and that will give you very good coverage
[22:44] <rhpot1991> quinten: or the problem that cable card causes, depends how you look at it :)
[22:44] <quinten> personally i use a hauppage pvr-150 to record the encrypted channels
[22:44] <baz_> ok, lets scale back a bit then, what if i just wanted to watch (not record) any/all channels - do i get a decyption box from comcast, then connect the tv out to a tuner card on my computer?
[22:44] <quinten> but it's not such a great picture
[22:44] <rhpot1991> quinten: that leads us to digital and HD then
[22:45] <rhpot1991> baz_: go read this: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable
[22:46] <rhpot1991> and watching is recording in our world
[22:46] <baz_> man i didnt think this was so complicated :) I literally thought I buy a cheap card for my computer that accepts cable in, and i was done!
[22:46] <rhpot1991> baz_: it kinda is
[22:47] <rhpot1991> but it comes down to what do you want to record, there are analog tuners, digital tuners, and other devices
[22:48] <baz_> for example right now i have a nice monitor that actually has a tv-in - comcast gave me a cheapo little box between the wall and this screen to decrypt the channels - i can watch a lot of channels off of it - why can't i, instead of connecting it straight to my monitor, plug it into a tv tuner card on my computer and record that signal if i wanted to
[22:48] <rhpot1991> baz_: that is exactly what the HD-PVR does
[22:48] <baz_> have my computer put it on screen or on the harddisk
[22:51] <baz_> rhpot1991, oh ok, to be more clear, I just want my computer to process a video stream - how that video stream got there, whether it was encrypted, whether it was from comcast or a home video camera, whatever, I would expect that device to b completely unaware - if i need to decrypt channels, I'll get a decrypter from comcast, etc.
[22:52] <baz_> and my computer already has a hard-disk, so i'm not sure why i would need a pvr box
[22:52] <baz_> i was expecting software (myth!) to work the intelligence
[22:52] <quinten> maybe this can be simplified. baz_, how big is your monitor? is it hd?
[22:53] <baz_> quinten, its 26" hd
[22:53] <baz_> Samsung Syncmaster t260hd
[22:53] <rhpot1991> baz_: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/HD-PVR
[22:53] <quinten> what is the output from your cable box? is it hdmi? or analog?
[22:53] <baz_> cable in, cable out (is that analog?)
[22:54] <quinten> yes
[22:54] <baz_> but i could get a better box that has hdmi out
[22:54] <quinten> if you want to capture hd quality, you need an hd-pvr
[22:54] <baz_> in fact if i get this right i wil almost surely get a better box because this one is not hd
[22:54] <quinten> if you want to capture low-def quality, which is what you have now, you can just use an analog cable tuner card
[22:55] <baz_> well quinten, not a PVR, if i don't care aout recording right?
[22:55] <quinten> it's a name
[22:55] <quinten> not actually a PVR
[22:55] <quinten> you should read the links :)
[22:55] <baz_> i will :)
[22:56] <rhpot1991> in mythtv everything is recording
[22:56] <rhpot1991> when you watch live tv, you record it and play it back immediately
[22:56] <baz_> rhpot1991, oh i see
[22:57] <baz_> quinten, so the hd-pvr may or may not have a hd in it?
[22:57] <baz_> quinten, really it is something that can process/play hd?
[22:57] <quinten> it just captures whatever the input is
[22:57] <quinten> it's like it records what's on the tv
[22:57] <rhpot1991> it is just a tuner
[22:57] <baz_> ok great, didn't want to get even more hard drives!
[22:58] <baz_> so in terms of form factor are there boxes as well as cards to process hd?
[22:59] <baz_> can a computer get an hdmi-in port?
[23:00] <rhpot1991> no
[23:00] <rhpot1991> best you will do is component
[23:02] <baz_> so this is cutting-edge business
[23:02] <baz_> "the world's first hd tuner" for computers
[23:02] <baz_> i hadn't thought it was all so new
[23:02] <rhpot1991> HD-PVR was the first to abuse the analog holes I believe
[23:03] <rhpot1991> there is a random ATI device that does cable cards, windows only and you can't purchase it
[23:19] <Technophil> Anyone here run mythbuntu.org server?  http://www.mythbuntu.org/ seems to be longer correct about diskless frontends.
[23:28] <hads> What's wrong?
[23:29] <Technophil> hads: the diskless option is no longer offered in 9.10, it says is from 8.04, effectively withdrawn again, at least at that level.
[23:30] <Technophil> "Mythbuntu 8.04 and later have support for creating and hosting diskless frontend images for a network. This takes the stress out of maintaining a variety of systems, and instead puts it all into a single centralized server." is no longer correct.
[23:30] <hads> It still works, there's just no GUI to configure it.
[23:36] <Technophil> Thats great, is there a good summary how to do it in 9.10 anywhere?  (Am communicating with Google with some leads)
[23:42] <hads> There's no summary AFAIK. There's a wiki page about 8.04 which should be pretty much the same.
[23:44] <Technophil> OK Thanks Hads.
[23:46] <unique> can i use mythbuntu for playing divx/xvid movies?
[23:49] <hads> Yes
[23:50] <unique> can it pick em up from my windows sharing folder ?
[23:50] <unique> i mean i will run nmb
[23:50] <rhpot1991> nmb?
[23:56] <unique> will it show up my network shares from my windows?