[00:21] <tbessie> Hey folks - I'm having trouble in that 9.10 server installer always installs grub on the MBR, and doesn't let me choose.  Is that really the case, or am I missing something?
[00:22] <centHOGG> tbessie: hi agin
[00:22] <tbessie> centHOGG, There you go.  By your name, you're not using CentOS much, are you?  That was another thought?  Not lots of updates, lots of being hamstrung by rpm, but solid anyway
[00:22] <centHOGG> ha
[00:22] <centHOGG> yeah thats how i started linux with centos
[00:22] <centHOGG> redhat
[00:22] <centHOGG> tbessie: yeah they don't do much over there
[00:22] <tbessie> centHOGG, We use CentOS here at work for all our virtual srevers
[00:23] <centHOGG> so what kind of server are you setting up
[00:23] <tbessie> centHOGG, Basic file server for my movies, mostly.  Pile o' 1TB and 2TB disks in it (4 in front in pop-out removeable trays, one inside for when I want it quieter, and a laptop boot drive)
[00:24] <centHOGG> kewl
[00:24] <centHOGG> been there
[00:24] <centHOGG> heard of geexbox & freenas
[00:25] <tbessie> FreeNas, yes - not geekbox - I don't car for any web-gui helper stuff, or something that's geared JUST towards being a NAS.  I want full control on a reasonably vanilla box.
[00:25] <centHOGG> ok, so how do you want to stream your media?
[00:25] <tbessie> I'm still trying to decide between EXT3, JFS or ZFS.  EXT4 is too possible-data-lossy-without-an-UPS, so I don't want to use that.
[00:26] <centHOGG> my fav fs is reiserfs... becaus you can adjust it with acronis
[00:26] <tbessie> I built a Windows XP htpc, so I generally have been mounting via Samba and playing with VLC, though I sometimes get strange network stuttering/stoppage lately.
[00:26] <centHOGG> but i guess they are all ok
[00:27] <centHOGG> what i have is server2003 to geexbox
[00:27] <tbessie> The reason I built this server was I had 3 prebuilt NASs, and they were so underpowered I was getting annoyed
[00:27] <centHOGG> you really don't need that much guts to spit out the media
[00:27] <centHOGG> even the htpc can been limited... unless you are doing HD
[00:27] <tbessie> I used to use ReiserFS, but I'm going along with the "he's in jail, so I'll stay away from it for now" crowd. Heh.
[00:28] <centHOGG> ha
[00:28] <tbessie> I'll look up geexbox.
[00:28] <centHOGG> like i have to redo my media stripe because I redid my nas server
[00:28] <centHOGG> i only use my nas for a mirror
[00:29] <tbessie> I was asking on www.silentpcreview.com for my NAS-building advice.  Everyone thought I was doing overkill on my server, but I wanted to be able to use it for other things, just in case.
[00:29] <centHOGG> so my media stripe got too big for the nas
[00:29] <centHOGG> ok
[00:29] <tbessie> I'm breaking all the rules because I'm not using any kind of RAID, ZFS or otherwise.
[00:29] <centHOGG> what do you want your nas to do
[00:29] <tbessie> I've never had a disk fail on me
[00:29] <centHOGG> jin
[00:29] <centHOGG> x
[00:29] <centHOGG> jinx
[00:29] <centHOGG> i just had one last month
[00:30] <tbessie> Given the number of drives I have, it's bound to happen sometime - but I don't have things running all the time.
[00:30] <centHOGG> tbessie: kewl hey pm me
[00:31] <tbessie> The HTPC I built.. almost two years ago.  Limited tech for a cool, quiet, HD-doing graphics board.  So it's pretty powerful too, for what it does;
[01:56]  * genii sips
[02:18] <Doorman352> Is winbind and kerberos OT for this channel?
[02:55] <Doorman352> Is windbind and kerberos questions OT for this channel?
[02:57] <StrangeCharm__> how hard is it to move a system mount point to a volume on an encrypted volume? presumably, i have to arrange for the volume to be mounted at boot? i guess that I have to edit fstab and crypttab; are there other files i should edit? where can i find the documentation about what i should put in those files?
[03:03] <JanC> Doorman352: no, but there might not be many people around to answer them now
[03:03] <Doorman352> OK, thanks
[03:06] <Doorman352> Trying to join a 9.04 server with SAMBA, to an existing windows 2003 doman with 2 DCs, it broke both DCs and scrambled the secure channels. Id like to find out what could have happened and how to do this so that the server shares credentials with AD.... the SAMBA how tos are where I started, so they obviously missed something I needed to do... Anyone with experience have any ideas?
[03:07] <ScottK> Doorman352: Did you check the Ubuntu Server Guide on help.ubuntu.com?
[03:07] <Doorman352> Yep, started there too.... seems every source has a different process and terminology.
[03:08] <Doorman352> During the winbind process everything went horribly wrong.....
[03:09] <Doorman352> The Ubuntu guide doesnt use kerberos, so I went to the Samba guides for help.....
[03:13] <Doorman352> Tried in #Samab, but been quiet for two days, figured maybe here would have a veteran......
[03:17] <ScottK> !weekend | Doorman352
[03:18] <Doorman352> Thought I was being patient.....
[03:22] <JanC> ScottK: apparently "wait longer" wasn't an option  ;)
[03:23] <i_is_broke> i am getting ready to run a server for port forwarding, and was wondering if 9.10 was stable enough or should i use 9.04?
[03:25] <qman__> i_is_broke, if you want stable, use 8.04
[03:27] <i_is_broke> qman__, well i know the next lts is 10.4 can i use 9.04 till then, and then switch to the lts?
[03:29] <ScottK> Worst case you have to upgrade it two steps 9.04 -> 9.10 -> 10.04, but yes.
[03:29] <i_is_broke> ok, thats cool
[03:29] <i_is_broke> thanks for the info...
[03:29] <JanC> if the only thing you want to do is "port forwarding", I think Ubuntu is overkill  ;)
[03:29] <qman__> yes, you won't be able to upgrade directly to 10.04 from 9.04, you'll have to upgrade twice
[03:30] <i_is_broke> JanC, why is that?
[03:31] <i_is_broke> i also want to use it for storage, and back ups of other computers, maybe even print sharing.
[03:31] <JanC> i_is_broke: that's a better reason then
[03:33] <JanC> to use Ubuntu i mean
[03:33] <i_is_broke> JanC, ya i can build a dsl box just for port forwarding...but i want to do some other stuff with it as well..thats why i was wanting to use ubuntu..its the easiest for me to use.
[03:38] <i_is_broke> well the downloads are only giving me the 8.04 or the 9.10 is there somewhere else i can find the 9.04?
[03:39] <jmarsden> i_is_broke: See the various links from http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.04/
[03:40] <i_is_broke> jmarsden, ty
[03:40] <jmarsden> No problem.
[03:46] <i_is_broke> ok let me ask this then, is a lexmarks printer hard to install?
[03:46] <jmarsden> i_is_broke: It all depends... if it is supported, it is easy... if not, it may be hard.  Try it and see :)
[03:47] <i_is_broke> i was just checking there web site and the one that i have says its partially supported?
[03:47] <i_is_broke> so it would probably be better if i went with a more adaptable printer or such.
[03:48] <jmarsden> i_is_broke: A Lexmark laser will probably be easy.  Some of their very cheap inkjets may be ... less well supported in Linux, shall we say.
[03:48] <jmarsden> i_is_broke: If you can, get a printer listed in the Linux printer database as being fully supported, sure.
[03:48] <i_is_broke> well just gives me a reason to buy a new laser printer...:D but ill probably go with something i know is compatible with linux.
[03:49] <i_is_broke> now i know what to tell the kids to get me for christmas..lmao
[03:49] <jmarsden> i_is_broke: You are aware of http://www.openprinting.org/printer_list.cgi  right?
[03:49] <i_is_broke> jmarsden, nope but am now..
[03:50] <jmarsden> It's a decent general putrpose "how well suported is printer X under Linux" database.  Sometimes slightly out of date, but if it says the printer works well with Linux, it really should work well.
[03:50] <i_is_broke> actually thats where i was when i found the one that says mine is partially supported.
[03:50] <jmarsden> Ah, OK.
[03:50] <i_is_broke> but i booked marked it.
[03:51] <i_is_broke> and i want to thank all of you for your help and info.its been great
[03:52] <i_is_broke> is the doc. good for setting up all this that i want to do? and is there any good ref. material for learning apache and some of the other server stuff as well?
[03:52] <i_is_broke> i have never set up a server before, so ill probably be back once i have it up and running..lol
[03:53] <jmarsden> Docs on printer setup are decent.  Read the Server Guide https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/  early on in your reading.
[04:09] <i_is_broke> is it better to run a raid or lamp or just allocate hard drive space for different projects, isnt with the others if one hard drive fails messes with the whole system?
[04:12] <jmarsden> If you have the hardware, RAID is useful on servers for improving reliability.  RAID1 (mirroring) is the simplest way to do that.
[04:16] <i_is_broke> well i have a promise ultra100 pci ide card that i can add to it and install several more hard drives then what the motherboard gives me.
[04:18] <i_is_broke> so raid1 would be the way to go, let me google that and see what i can do.if i have any questions where would the best place to ask be?
[04:18] <jmarsden> If you are building a server running Ubuntu, here is not a bad place.  For hardware issues try #hardware (or is it ##hardware ?)
[04:19] <i_is_broke> well im sure that the os will be ubuntu
[04:19] <jmarsden> For software RAID, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID (a bit old, but you will get the idea)
[04:20] <i_is_broke> and really thanks for all the helpful links and info..i really appreciate it.
[04:21] <jmarsden> i_is_broke: Since this is your first Ubuntu server, if it is for home use, don't go too nuts ... RAID 1 just needs two hard drives, both of which can connect to the motherboard IDE or SATA ports...
[04:21] <jmarsden> Keeping things simple will help :)
[04:21] <i_is_broke> ok.
[04:21] <i_is_broke> thats what i thought too...i can always add later if need be.
[04:21] <jmarsden> Right.
[04:22] <i_is_broke> ok well ill leave you all alone for the rest of the night, as it looks like i have plenty of reading to do..lol
[04:23] <jmarsden> Go for it.  Ask here if you have questions.
[04:24] <i_is_broke> thanks much appreciated..
[04:26] <jmarsden> No problem.
[04:54] <donspaulding> how can I override the encoding that pg_upgradecluster is guessing incorrectly while trying to upgrade from 8.2 to 8.3?
[05:17] <jmarsden> donspaulding: Try asking in #postgresql
[05:18] <donspaulding> pg_upgradecluster is debian-specific, they don't answer too many questions for it :-/
[05:21] <jmarsden> Ah, OK... then you need someone with deeper understanding of that aspect of Postgresql in Debian than I have, I'm afraid.  Are there no relevant bug reports in LaunchPad to give you clues?  If not, maybe you should file one!
[05:33] <ninnypants> can someone help me decipher this postfix error http://pastebin.com/d13bc5d82
[05:44] <ScottK> ninnypants: The distant end deferred your message.
[05:44] <ScottK> ninnypants: That's the 451 4.5.0
[05:45] <ninnypants> so the mail server I was sending it to rejected it?
[05:45] <ScottK> ninnypants: "Error in processing, id=03231-02, parts_decode_ext FAILED: file(1) utility (/usr/bin/file) failed, exit 8, parsing failure - missing last 1 results at (eval 90) line 165. " is the reason it gives.
[05:45] <ScottK> Deferred.
[05:45] <ScottK> It'll get tried again.
[05:45] <ninnypants> what would cause that?
[05:45] <ScottK> It looks like the distant end it pretty broken though.
[05:47] <ninnypants> how so? not sure I follow
[05:49] <ScottK> Google says that's an amavisd-new error
[05:50] <ScottK> Your deferral is local relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:10024
[05:50] <ScottK> So it's a problem in your amavisd-new.
[05:50] <ScottK> ninnypants: What Ubuntu release are you running?
[05:50] <ninnypants> 8.4
[05:50] <ScottK> OK.
[05:51] <ninnypants> how can I trouble shoot amavisd-new?
[05:51] <ScottK> ninnypants: My recomendation is go through https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/mail-filtering.html very carefully and make sure your setup matches the docs.
[05:52]  * ScottK needs to go to bed, so good luck.
[05:52] <ninnypants> thanks
[05:56] <Dregyek> : d
[05:56] <Dregyek> hello
[05:57] <Dregyek> hello
[06:50] <Merlin_> I'm a massive noob at servers.  How do I install a guest with an X server?
[07:08] <Merlin_> I'm a massive noob at servers.  How do I install a guest with an X server?
[07:21] <xperia2> hello to all ! anybody here with postfix experience ? have problems to configure postfix for receieving mails from the internet.
[08:46] <Pupeno> I've switched from php mod to php cgi and now phpmyadmin doesn't get executed as PHP, it gets served as a normal file. Do you know what should I do to have it working again?
[12:25] <openeye> hello all
[12:25] <openeye> someone present?
[12:44] <eni23> hello guys. i'm searching a dns server. someone knows something (i need low ttl, because it's an changing-ip)
[12:50] <openeye> hi eni23, maybe you can use bind?
[12:50] <openeye> lol
[13:02] <googa> is cups used with samba to provide printers to windows clients, or is samba used alone for that
[13:10] <googa> can u add a linux server to a windows domain? how?
[13:12] <openeye> sure its possible buddy
[13:14] <openeye> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=390948
[13:20] <googa> I have linux server in school which has a network. I assigned an ip for the server that will work in the network, now do I have to install samba and all this stuff so i can get DNS, vsftpd, CUPS services working from the linux server to computers in the network in my school
[13:24] <openeye> i dont know why you would use samba for that?
[14:52] <chrismat> How do you enable KSM in the kernel of 9.10?
[15:01] <chrismat> is it possible to run 2.6.32 on 9.10?
[15:19] <chrismat> can one dist-upgrade to lucid beta?
[15:56] <ruadh> I'm looking for Ubuntu server 9.10 (32 bit), but can only find the 64 bit version. Can anyone help?
[16:00] <ruadh> Can I take it that there's no 32 bit version? I'll have a look at Debian.
[16:01] <ScottK> ruadh: There is.
[16:01] <ScottK> (a 32 bit version)
[16:02] <ruadh> ScottK, Where? I've had a good look for it but can't see it
[16:03] <ScottK> ruadh: Click on "Alternative download options" on the server download page
[16:05] <ruadh> Got it, thanks ScottK
[16:06] <ScottK> No problem.
[16:26] <maxgqc> Hi I have a problem with dhclient. I have 2 nic. eth0 is set to use dhcp, eth1 is static. But when dhclient runs, eth1 gets an ip address from its own dhcp-server that is running on the server. eth0 gets an ip from the cable modem which is ok. Any help about that ?
[16:40] <chrismat> maxgcq
[16:40] <chrismat> can you separate eth0 and eth1 in separate vlans?
[16:49] <lhasbs> ubuntu doesnt seem to like being in a saved state in virtualbox
[16:49] <lhasbs> ipv4 network is missing
[16:50] <lhasbs> the /etc/init.d/networking restart doesnt re up it
[16:50] <lhasbs> ?
[17:27] <majuk> Hey guys, I'm having problems getting my Samba PDC server to resolve properly via bind9 (on the same server) to Windows boxes. Any suggestions or TSing points would be appreciated.
[17:36] <benc1> is there an equivalent to debian daemontools in ubuntu?
[17:37] <benc1> I have an erlang server that I want to run as a daemon at startup
[19:00] <BT> I'm using Ubuntu Server 9.10, is there any way to start vncserver automatically?
[19:01] <BT> it works fine when I run it manually via ssh, but adding it to rc.local it just doesn't seem to start
[20:17] <axisys> i am failing to upgrade my server... i am getting this error http://pastebin.com/d416bc992
[20:17] <axisys> anyone have experience something similar?
[20:17] <axisys> how do I find out what is this is
[20:17] <axisys> #
[20:17] <axisys> An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade:
[20:17] <axisys> #
[20:17] <axisys> E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[20:19] <guntbert> axisys: my first guess: you have enabled some third-party-software, or proposed or backports
[20:20] <axisys> guntbert: this is from /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log
[20:20] <axisys> http://pastebin.com/d4d6ef80a
[20:20] <axisys> i guess i should remove the mysql and rt since i am not using them
[20:22] <guntbert> axisys: first have a look at your sources.lst - I've seen similar problems upgrading with ppa's and the like
[20:24] <axisys> http://pastebin.com/f23ea31da this is all I have .. not not look bad
[20:24] <axisys> s/not not/does not/
[20:24] <lenios> sudo aptitude safe-upgrade doesn't show anything?
[20:25] <axisys> lenios: no.. could be because i removed the mysql and rt already.. let me try to release upgarde again
[20:25] <guntbert> axisys: yes, looks good - but then I cannot help - sorry
[20:27] <lenios> i would try without multiverse enabled
[20:27] <axisys> it is working now.. i guess removing those complained pkhgs helped
[20:28] <axisys> lenios: should I stop the upgrade and add the multiverse ?
[20:28] <axisys> oh wait you want it w/o
[20:28] <lenios> you have it
[20:28] <lenios> if it's working that way, it's ok
[20:28] <axisys> lenios: ok.. so far so good
[20:29] <axisys> lenios: /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log this was helpful
[20:38] <StrangeCharm_> the installer supports encrypted roots. is it possible to mount additional encrypted volumes when the encrypted root is mounted, but - instead of using passphrases - using a keyfile on the root?
[20:42] <lenios> StrangeCharm_, i guess you can read the passphrase from a file
[20:43] <StrangeCharm_> lenios, why do that when luks supports keyfiles? or do you just mean that that might be the easiest way to do it? i assume that there's a file telling the OS which early crypto disks to mount, and i assume that i just have to edit that, but i don't know which it is.
[20:45] <lenios> what about http://www.howtoforge.com/automatically-unlock-luks-encrypted-drives-with-a-keyfile ?
[20:48] <StrangeCharm_> lenios, that might be what i'm looking for
[21:28] <Rascal999>  anyone know of a good flash player i can install server end? that can play avi's?
[21:38] <Bilge> Does anyone know what to do about this error: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[21:38] <Bilge> It exists at /usr/lib
[21:39] <Bilge> Someone said to install ia32-libs package, but that chain installs half of the packages in the distro
[21:41] <pvl1> can anyone explain to me if cloud computing is kinda likea VM
[21:49] <jmarsden> pvl1: well, yes, it is, "kinda" :)  Have you read http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/cloud/faq ?  Maybe after that try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EC2StartersGuide for some more details.
[21:55] <embrik> wehre do I write the dns-addresse? I have written it in /etc/resolv.conf - but it is changed back to my old ISP's dns-addresse :-)
[21:57] <embrik> My server is hardy, used as a router - it worked, but I wanted to play with ltsp-server. After I installed ltspserver, my computers on the LAN can't connect to the internet - because the dns is wrong. Should I write the dns-addresses in network/interfaces?
[21:57] <pvl1> jmarsden, tyvm, im really interested in this ty
[21:58] <embrik> anybody
[21:58] <epinky> embrik: the only file is /etc/resolv.conf
[21:59] <embrik> epinky, Ok - do you know why the adresse changes?
[21:59] <embrik> epinky, Do you know what I write to restart dns?
[22:00] <epinky> embrik: with dns(/etc/resolv.conf) no need to restart anything
[22:00] <embrik> epinky, OK
[22:03] <embrik> epinky, I installed ltspserver and built a client - when I couldn't get it working and I suddenly lost the internet on all my clients - I removed the ltspserver  - but I haven't been able to remove the client environment. Is it possible to just ecover from earlier to day. Everything worked an hour ago, before I started playing with this ltspserver...
[22:04] <embrik> ecover = recover
[22:07] <epinky> embrik: then you should remove ltspserver and build-client packages, maybe dhcpd also is misconfigured
[22:23] <embrik_> My clients don't seem to get the right dns-addresse from my server (hardy). When I put in the right addresse in /etc/resolv.conf on the clients - they connect to the internet. But this isn't the way to do it, is it?
[22:25] <epinky> embrik_: yep, you should add that entry(DNS address) in your dhcpd.conf  then restart the service
[22:26] <embrik_> done that: option domain-name-servers 217.13.4.21;
[22:27] <epinky> embrik_: yep, restarted service?
[22:27] <embrik_> yes, the adresse has been there all the time - just a sec....
[22:30] <embrik_> In resolv.conf on my clients the dns-server should be my hardy-local-server?
[22:31] <epinky> embrik_: nope you don't have to modify resolv.conf, make sure your clients are using dhcp (not static)
[22:35] <embrik_> they are using dhcp -  but after I played with ltsp an hour and a half ago - I lost connection to the internet on my clients. My server connects to the internet. nslookup www says: Server 217.13.4.21  server can't find www: NXDOMAIN. But this is when I have written the right dns-addresse in resolv.conf on the server. After a reboot - the dns in resolv.conf on the server changes back to the old ISP's adresse I had several months ago..
[22:37] <epinky> embrik_: dhcpd (service) on your hardy works or not?
[22:38] <gord-s> embrik_: if the server has 2 NICs, one from the internet (maybe DSL or cable router? and gets its adress this NIC from small DHCP server in router? that would change the server's /etc/resolv.conf i think
[22:38] <gord-s> embrik_: but if yo have changed ISP in last few months, thats confusing
[22:40] <gord-s> embrik_: also a handy command is     sudo /etc/init.d/dns-clean    this will re-do the resolv.conf if it is done automatically, perhaps by network manager from DHCP like I mentioned. All this I speak of is on the "internet/router/cables/ADSL side" if you have 2 NICS in your server
[22:41] <gord-s> embrik_: please confirm your ISP DNS addresses are valid for the ISP today, even if you don't really want them there today, if you see what I mean, so we don't get confused by that
[22:43] <embrik_> I have two NIC's on the server - but it has worked nice for quite a while - after I played with isntalling ltspserver - it stopped working. I'm sure that's the problem. I've removed ltspserver. But when I installed ltspserver, I built a client-environment. Taht I haven't been able to remove ..... I'm sorry my posting is a bit late according to your answers.. Ive been away for a couple of minutes
[22:44] <ScottK> embrik_: Do you have the resolvconf package installed?
[22:44] <gord-s> embrik_: noo problems sometimes takes an hour or so lol -- ok don't worry about removing the client-build, if no clients then nothing is used, just files sitting there no problem.
[22:45] <gord-s> embrik_: i dont have my LTSP up today, it's down for maintenance, sorry (holidays)
[22:45] <gord-s> but you odn't need anything specific configured in clients, all LTSP admin is done server-side with DHCP, unless you havea  boot problem with a client for example
[22:45] <embrik_> ScottK, Hmm - no - Why is that gone? I install it now.
[22:46] <ScottK> embrik_: No, it's sometimes known to cause problems like you have, I was going to suggest remove it.
[22:46] <embrik_> ScottK, Ok - I've installed it - should I remove it?
[22:47] <ScottK> Yes.
[22:48] <embrik_> I'm confused - I know the ltspserver ting ruined this. I have bot ubuntu and kubuntu on my server - could that be? no of course not - but I'm trying to eliminate..
[22:49] <epinky> ltsp just made a mess
[22:49] <gord-s> embrik_: oh, another thing that can happen to the unaware - your DHCP server, if connected to the same physical switch as the "other" NIC, the "internet-facing one", your LTSP DHCPd can issue leases to the internetty-NIC, and it seems to loop.
[22:50] <gord-s> embrik_: oh, another thing that can happen to the unaware - your DHCP server, if connected to the same physical switch as the "other" NIC, the "internet-facing one", your LTSP DHCPd can issue leases to the internetty-NIC, and it seems to loop.
[22:50] <gord-s> oops
[22:50] <embrik_> gord-s, I think you're getting somewhere - how do I stop the LTSP-dhcp?
[22:50] <gord-s> <tired
[22:51] <embrik_> gord-s, no, no, don't sleep from me now - I think you're up to something
[22:51] <gord-s> well, temporarily,. erm,,,,,,, try sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3d stop      <<<use tab-compleetion for the server name i think its dhcp3d or somthing
[22:51] <gord-s> embrik_: then re-request a lease for the internet NIC
[22:52] <gord-s> embrik_: so you have just one switch with both NICs plugged into it?
[22:53] <embrik_> did I lose you?
[22:53] <gord-s> no
[22:53] <gord-s> u ok
[22:53] <gord-s> embrik_: so you have just one switch with both NICs plugged into it?
[22:53] <embrik_> no., I have two nic's eth0 for the internet (dhcp) and eth1 for the LAN
[22:54] <gord-s> embrik_: ah ok, so eth0 goes >straight< to internet? via a modem/router/hole in wall?
[22:54] <embrik_> gord-s, yes
[22:55] <gord-s> embrik_: if so thats ok, but sometimes ppl plug both nics into same switch fabric, that CAN work, if you make the DHCP server a bit restricted to server only thin-client MACs
[22:56] <gord-s> embrik_: unlike normal TCPIP, DHCP request flood out to the whole switch plane ports, at that stage the NIC has no IP so it cannot, therefore, be on a different subnet < that's where people get confused with this thing
[22:57] <embrik_> gord-s, In fact I have no use for LTSP. Just trying it for fun, and now my shole family are waiting for the internet connection :-(
[22:57] <gord-s> embrik_: correct cure is to make DHCPd recognise and server ONLY IPs to the known thin-client NIC MAC addresses, andignore all others
[22:57] <gord-s> embrik_: hehe I know the feeleing
[22:58] <embrik_> gord-s, Do you think the "playing-around" with ltsp has ruined my setup?
[22:58] <gord-s> embrik_: well yes, but nothing drastic, dont panic :)
[22:58] <jamesrfla> How well will a atom dual core 1.6GHz do with Ubuntu server and VMware server with at max 2 VM's running?
[22:59] <gord-s> embrik_: what we need to know is - before you installed LTSP, did the family PCs get DHCP from the server on eth1 - or did they have static addresses for family PCs
[23:00] <embrik_> gord-s, they got ip from server eth1
[23:01] <gord-s> embrik_: OK good, now the LTSP will have changed the DHCP setip a little, becuase it installs the DCHPd from apt-, then >presumably< places a config file there from a script
[23:01] <gord-s> embrik_: what you need to do, is re-make the DHCPd config file back to what you had before
[23:01] <stiv2k> hi
[23:01] <stiv2k> anyone here use transmission-daemon?
[23:02] <embrik_> hmm - the dhcpd.conf file is not changed - I'm quite sure. Just a sec..
[23:03] <gord-s> embrik_:  oh wait.....
[23:04] <gord-s> embrik_: something about if LTSP installed trhe dhcpd.comnf in the LTSP tftpboot dir is used?
[23:04] <embrik_> gord-s, what about /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf - can that influence on anything?
[23:05] <gord-s> embrik_: yes thats it, thats the "new" one that being served right now - amnd problems - so,,,,, just rename the /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf.LTSP_ONLY
[23:06] <gord-s> embrik_: and if your existing dhcpd.conf is OK, that should/might do it :)
[23:06] <embrik_> done
[23:06] <gord-s> yes thats it, thats the "new" one that being served right now - amnd problems - so,,,,, just rename the /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf.LTSP_ONLY [23:05] [gord-s(+i)] [2
[23:06] <gord-s> oh sooo tired sorry
[23:06] <embrik_> gord-s, OK - let's see
[23:06] <gord-s> embrik_:you must restart the dhcp3 server
[23:07] <embrik_> gord-s, ok - I may lose connection for a second
[23:07] <gord-s> embrik_:sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart
[23:07] <gord-s> ok
[23:10] <embrik_> gord-s, Thank you so much - I can not express what a relief this was - This give me more courage to continue my struggle in my regioon to work for free applications to be used in schools - I am a teacer running skolelinux
[23:10] <gord-s> embrik_:  good, glad we sorted it :)
[23:11] <embrik_> gord-s, thanks a lot and good night
[23:11] <embrik_> gord-s, are you from Norway?
[23:11] <gord-s> embrik_:main problem with LTSP is java runing in browsers, tey kill it :(   no North of England, UK
[23:12] <embrik_> gord-s, Ok - then LTSP is not ready for schools yet, java and flash must run smoothly or else....  Night
[23:13] <gord-s> embrik_: oh, flah i mean not java sorry, so tired -0) night
[23:13] <gord-s> flash
[23:14] <gord-s> jamesrfla: what sort of thing are you gong to run in VMs on the atom?
[23:15] <jamesrfla> Windows server 2003 all the time. And maybe some other VM's but they will only be on when I need them
[23:16] <gord-s> jamesrfla: hmmmm, not sure about that then, never run it but it's got a reputation for being very "heavy", presumably the GUI slows it down etc
[23:18] <jamesrfla> Yeah it probably wouldn't work to well. Probably it will with just Ubuntu server edition running
[23:18] <embrik_> exit
[23:18] <embrik_> how do I leave the channel
[23:18] <gord-s> jamesrfla:with 3 VM guests of debian serving DHCP/ldap  and tftp to about 200 users etc the host CPU load was about 5% on a athlonXP1700 rofl
[23:20] <gord-s> jamesrfla: but a single XP guest just sittiing at the login screen slowed it down hugel so that as far as I've been into MSwindows for a long time
[23:20] <jamesrfla> I see. So atom is a bust I guess. I probably need a dual core and quad core
[23:20] <gord-s> jamesrfla:but hey, the server editions of MS must at least be optimised to do several things at once, surely, so u may be OK
[23:21] <gord-s> jamesrfla:do you have a netbook with atome to test? before you build dedicated box
[23:22] <jamesrfla> I am only going to use Server 2003 for remote desktop. I don't have a netbook to test it on but I did get a cheap rack mont and tried runing stuff on that but it was a P4 (dual core I guess) 3.0Ghz
[23:23] <gord-s> hmm, u need windows RDP? for windows apps? i presume? my head is thinkng Virtualbox has built-in MS-RDP server for guests, but I just dont see how ythat helps you, I;'m too tired lol
[23:23] <gord-s> jamesrfla:and it serves on port 3389 no less :)
[23:24] <jamesrfla> Yeah to run Office 2007 or some other stuff for school. Virtual box can create a Microsoft RDP server?
[23:25] <gord-s> jamesrfla:yes, it basically blows a picture of the guest machine down the wire, using the RDP protocol, confusing at first
[23:25] <jamesrfla> Yeah it does. Where do I get it at?
[23:26] <gord-s> jamesrfla:I had to do a triple-take when i saw it, felt kinda kinky using GnomeRDP to connect to a BSD box lol --- err, there's a Opensourcee edition, more for enterprise, but the "free" editions, ewhuich is closedsource, is free abd is apt-gettable if you add their repo
[23:26] <Doorman352> remote desktop comes with 2003 server and xp
[23:27] <jamesrfla> Doorman352: true. But with 2003 I can RDP into it twice
[23:27] <gord-s> jamesrfla:yes, and thats what made me double/triple-take at virtualbox haha
[23:27] <Doorman352> right 1 remote and 1 console
[23:28] <gord-s> jamesrfla:virtualbox.org, downloads, then go for "virtualbox 3.0.10 binaries for linux hosts"
[23:28] <jamesrfla> Doorman352: I think R2 is different because I can have 2 RDP and 1 console
[23:29] <gord-s> jamesrfla:but do the APT compatible way, dont add the .deb manually
[23:30] <Doorman352> Terminal server is also playing in the background with restrictions so you can get several....
[23:30] <gord-s> jamesrfla: you add the relevant sources.list line, (for either hardy/jaunty etc), then grab the key and add it, then apt-get update <<<important<< then apt-get install it
[23:30] <jamesrfla> gord-s: Or I can download the .deb package right from the stie
[23:31] <gord-s> jamesrfla:yeah, but then maybe harder to get update,s dunno
[23:31] <gord-s> jamesrfla:thats the whole point of using APT u see,never worry about stuff gettin out of date, and the Vbox thing seems to have a lot of patches
[23:32] <gord-s> jamesrfla:add their repo and it will be seamless forever <famous last words lol
[23:32] <jamesrfla> True
[23:32] <gord-s> jamesrfla:you can cut and paste 3 lines to do it the apt way
[23:34] <gord-s> jamesrfla: apt-get the dkms package too so that when Ubuntu roll a new kernel onto you their modules are done automatically too, its handy to have that anyways
[23:34] <gord-s> jamesrfla: if you mess with virtualization or a lot of modules you might already have it
[23:34] <gord-s> jamesrfla: its painless
[23:36] <gord-s> jamesrfla: oh if you need to get a beefire processor, look for a E6300, it has the hardware Virtualization stuff built in but is relatively cheap as a desktop proc, I use one and it's pretty good for stonky VMs even though its slow clock speed etc
[23:37] <jamesrfla> beefire processor?
[23:37]  * jamesrfla googles
[23:37] <gord-s> jamesrfla:yes, u know like a cow on fire  : user$ cowsay ouch
[23:38] <jamesrfla> It is a intel core 2 duo?
[23:38] <gord-s> jamesrfla:yes
[23:38] <gord-s> jamesrfla:maybe about 100$US, 60GBP, 70EU?
[23:39] <gord-s> sudo apt-get install cowsay
[23:39] <gord-s> cowsay beef on fire
[23:40] <jamesrfla> I am in the USA. So it is just a intel core 2 duo processor with virtualization
[23:41] <gord-s> jamesrfla:one of those on a small motherboard and u have a great VM-box for remote VMs, put in basement and access by RDP into Virtualbox
[23:42] <jamesrfla> gord-s: I was just going to install VM-ware server on top of Ubuntu server....
[23:43] <gord-s> jamesrfla:yeah i used to use VMware svr but now virtualbox seems to have me hooked, not hit a mojor problem yet, tho i hit none with VMware either
[23:44] <jamesrfla> That way I don't have GUi running....
[23:44] <gord-s> jamesrfla:havint it via APT just seems more natural even somehow, less stress with updates etc.
[23:45] <jamesrfla> Yeah when I do the install for my new server I will do that if Vmware offers that...
[23:46] <gord-s> jamesrfla:yep, though you;ll be surprised how little impact fluxbox or JWM has on a running server, the main objection is that is X is installed it could be leveraged for a security comrpmise, but if not installed cant, probably old way of thinking
[23:46] <gord-s> jamesrfla:in small outfit where u keep close eye on everything no real problems
[23:47] <gord-s> jamesrfla:i leave fluxbox and slim or GDM even on most of my test servers here
[23:47] <jamesrfla> Well I already know how to do everything I need to do without a GUI so why have one. I know fluxbox is very lite. So do you think I should get a dual or quad core to power my server?
[23:48] <gord-s> jamesrfla:oh a dual s fine , though, dunno about the MSoffice haha
[23:49] <gord-s> jamesrfla:i guess that whatever you need to make it run OK on a real windoze PC, is the minimum
[23:50] <jamesrfla> Okay cool. Yeah just Server 2003 in a VM all the time and tons of other VM's but only running when I need them so maybe a max of a 2 or 3 VM's at a time
[23:50] <gord-s> jamesrfla:after all its virtualised, so wont get faster, only slower. I dont know what MSwindows needs nowadays
[23:50] <Doorman352> jamesrfla: What are you running on w2k3 server?
[23:51] <jamesrfla> Just some applications I can't run in Linux like office 2007 for school. They want me to take the cert tests so I need it to study for
[23:51] <Doorman352> you are going to run office on a server?
[23:52] <gord-s> jamesrfla:oh i see, you are being certified on Office apps?
[23:52] <jamesrfla> Sure why not. Then I can use it 2 times at once. I know it works
[23:52] <Doorman352> jamesrfla: thats terminal server application mode and you'll still need a client to access it.
[23:53] <jamesrfla> gord-s: yes and much more. Like Cisco and CompTIA stuff. Also tons of Microsoft certs but I really want to get some Linux certs
[23:53] <jamesrfla> Doorman352: Ubuntu has a RDP client here somewhere
[23:53] <Doorman352> terminal server isnt rdp, there totally different
[23:53] <gord-s> jamesrfla:cool, not sure about the M$ stuff rofl. but yeah i guess u need Office to practice, OOo just somehow wont get you up to the grade
[23:54] <gord-s> jamesrfla:same protocol tho RDP
[23:55] <gord-s> jamesrfla:in the vendor-neutral protocol-centric way of looking at things (grows beard rapidly and turns into Stallman-esqe animal ready to start a rant)
[23:55] <gord-s> jamesrfla:u can use Gnome-rdp or the plian ubuntu "terminal server client" on the menu
[23:56] <gord-s> jamesrfla:both just GUI wrappers for rdesktop i think
[23:56] <jamesrfla> Yep. Well thanks for you help. Why don't you get some sleep gord-s  since you said you were tierd.
[23:57] <gord-s> jamesrfla:yeah good idea, I been working on bad hardwarew all day, pings of 3 seconds etc. SSH kinda grinds you down at those speeds
[23:57] <gord-s> jamesrfla:nn all
[23:58] <kane_> anyone in DFW currently? :)