[00:37] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: do you know why kleopatra depends on pinentry and not on pinentry-qt4 ?
[00:48] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: nope
[01:08] <ryanakca> Quintasan|Szel: I have a package for Debian unstable available and I can give you a link to the DSC so that you can build for lucid. Not lintian clean yet...
[01:09] <ryanakca> ScottK: Putting the two sections in the menu results in "W: bangarang: duplicated-tag-in-menu-item /usr/share/menu/bangarang section:5", with the following description:
[01:09] <ryanakca> N:    The menu item contains two instances of the same tag. This is just a
[01:09] <ryanakca> N:    waste of space, as menu will only use one of them.
[01:09] <ScottK> ryanakca: OK.  Then I'd just pick one.
[01:09] <ryanakca> OK.
[01:10] <ryanakca> ScottK: Since I'm packaging it mainly for KNE, which would you rather? Another option is mail debian-devel about it (as suggested in the manual) and see what can be done...
[01:10] <ScottK> ryanakca: Doesn't matter for Ubuntu since we don't use Debian Menu.
[01:11] <ryanakca> Ah, ok
[01:11] <ScottK> I'd just pick one.
[01:12] <ryanakca> Don't fluxbox & company use Debian menu? I'll go for Applications/Sound since that's what it seems to do the most of.
[01:13] <maco> ryanakca: yes
[01:17] <ryanakca> Also, anybody know of a kde-apps package that has a watch file?
[01:18] <JontheEchidna> It has been deemed impossible by several packagers at this point^
[01:20] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: Thanks
[01:21] <JontheEchidna> yw
[01:45] <ryanakca> Another question, would these be the dependencies or the build-dependencies? I'm guessing Depends since bangarang builds with 'debhelper (>= 7), pkg-kde-tools, cmake, kdemultimedia-dev, libtag1-dev'... http://paste.ubuntu.com/318990/
[01:55] <ScottK> ryanakca: If you're using the --with-kde then you'll need to specify the exact version where that is first supported.
[01:56] <ScottK> ryanakca: Also look at the configure output and see if it complains about any missing optional build-deps.
[01:56] <ryanakca> ScottK: OK. I know pkg-kde-tools requires debhelper >= 7.3.16
[01:58] <ryanakca> ScottK: It doesn't, http://paste.ubuntu.com/318997/
[01:58] <ScottK> OK.
[02:00] <ryanakca> ScottK: The pkg-kde-tools that introduced --with kde was 0.5.0... as for the packages in the first paste?
[02:12] <ScottK> ryanakca: OK, so you need to version the build-dep on pkg-kde-tools.
[02:21] <ryanakca> ScottK: Yep, added it :)
[02:32] <dtchen_> nixternal: righteous indignation!
[02:36] <nixternal> hehe, maybe I was a bit to angry?
[02:36] <dtchen_> well, it was indignant all right which, I think, was justified
[02:37] <ScottK> Context please?
[02:37] <nixternal> i hope those 250 CDs don't work at all...hopefully they were a bad batch
[02:37] <nixternal> ScottK: someone sent an email to canonical/shipit stating they were the team lead for Ubuntu Chicago, and received all of our Karmic CDs
[02:37] <ScottK> Lovely.
[02:38] <dtchen_> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2009-November/003956.html
[02:38] <ScottK> Is Canonical going to send you another set?
[02:38] <ScottK> Thanks
[02:38] <nixternal> this person isn't a team leader at all, has never been active on the team, is not even on the LP team, and sent one stupid email over a year ago to the chicago list
[02:38] <nixternal> it is to late now for karmic CDs to be worth much around here, because we wouldn't get them in time for the next event coming up unfortunately
[02:39] <nixternal> unless we plan a separate event, which usually always pull in the same people who are already running karmic
[02:39] <ScottK> People have more than once accused my of thinking Canonical is evil.  I don't.  I think they aren't very competent in a lot of ways.
[02:39] <nixternal> though, i could use them to fill up our slots at Best Buy, CompUSA, Tiger Direct, and Frys
[02:39] <nixternal> this time the person in charge of shipit stuff told nhandler that "the email looked official"
[02:40] <nixternal> I sent an email to Jono asking why a prereq is to be the team contact when it is obviously not even checked
[02:40]  * ryanakca would think of checking with someone else on the team to ensure that it is being asked for by the team and not only in its name
[02:40] <nixternal> and today's release party seemed to have new cats there hoping to get a CD and a sticker :(
[02:41] <nixternal> I have Kubuntu stickers, only cuz I stole them from nhandler as he received some and I never did :(
[02:41] <nixternal> seems quite a few Canonical employees are passing through O'Hare tonight
[02:41] <nixternal> my cell phone has been quite busy
[02:42] <ScottK> Anyone coming to UDS from Chicago?
[02:42] <ScottK> They could grab a few boxes and bring them back.
[02:42] <nixternal> seems Riddell wasn't the only one to do "hey, you are in Chicago right?" today :)
[02:42] <nixternal> ya, Jim Campbell will be there for the last 2 days...that is a good idea, I will make sure he does that
[02:43] <nixternal> oh wait, we have Canonical employees here in Chicago
[02:43] <nixternal> the guy leading Ubuntu One and one of the core developers of Bazaar is here as well
[03:04] <ryanakca> ScottK: Were you interested in reviewing / sponsoring bangarang for Kubuntu?
[03:05] <ScottK> ryanakca: Not tonight.  I need to pack and rest up (recovering from the flu).
[03:05] <ryanakca> ScottK: OK
[03:05] <ScottK> ryanakca: You ought to try to get it in Debian too.
[03:05] <wgrant> Everyone seems to be getting Ubuflu before UDS, this time.
[03:05]  * txwikinger wonders if ScottK means H1N1
[03:06]  * ScottK doesn't know.
[03:06] <ryanakca> ScottK: I will. It takes forever to go through Debian NEW, so I figure I might as well make to packages, one for Kubuntu, the other for Debian, and then once it gets through NEW, just sync
[03:07] <ryanakca> s/make to/make two/
[03:07]  * txwikinger has already packed
[03:08]  * txwikinger experiments with gobby and kobby
[03:09] <ScottK> txwikinger: You can't use Kobby at UDS
[03:09] <ryanakca> ScottK: Awww, why? Greg (upstream) wants more testing before he releases...
[03:10] <ryanakca> ScottK: I thought they were switching to infinoted this time around?
[03:10] <txwikinger> yep I know.. but gobby doesn't connect
[03:10] <ScottK> ryanakca: kobby and gobby-infinote are incompatible with gobby in earlier releses
[03:10] <ScottK> ryanakca: No.  We aren't.
[03:11] <ScottK> ryanakca: http://www.lczajkowski.com/2009/11/12/how-to-participate-remotely-and-get-your-points-heard/
[03:11] <ryanakca> Anybody interested in running an infinoted for Kubuntu at UDS so that we can get Kobby and libinfinity tested so we can get 1.0 (and all the fixes it contains) released?
[03:12] <ryanakca> Ah, they want people older releases to participate :/
[03:15] <ScottK> Yep
[03:23] <txwikinger> popey has already arrived
[03:58] <Riddell> ah, the joys of international travel
[03:58] <ryanakca> Riddell: Arrived in Dallas?
[03:59] <Riddell> let me check
[03:59] <Riddell> hmm, looks like I'm somewhere called Chicago, that's not right is it?
[03:59]  * ryanakca shrugs. I'm somewhere called home with an expired passport :/
[03:59] <vorian> Riddell: Midway or O'Hair
[04:00] <ScottK> Hair/Hare
[04:00] <Riddell> I've honestly no idea
[04:00] <ScottK> It'll be O'Hare.  Midway doesn't do international travel
[04:01] <Riddell> nixternal said he was nearby but he's not answering his phone so I've booked myself into a characterless hotel
[04:01] <Riddell> and nearby is probably a relative term
[04:02] <ScottK> Riddell: The kopete-facebook SRU you promised to sponsor got ack'ed.
[04:03] <ScottK> nhandler might be nearby.
[04:08] <Riddell> this airport has a terrible website
[04:08] <vorian> hare
[04:08] <Riddell> I've no idea what terminal I'm going from and it won't tell me
[04:08] <vorian> Riddell: start shouting "I need a house, where is ACORN"?
[04:09] <ScottK> Should have stolen the magazine off the airplane with the airport map in the back.
[04:09] <ScottK> vorian: Wrong part of Chicago.
[04:09] <vorian> ah
[04:10] <vorian> i've only been through o'hare a few times
[04:10]  * ScottK is reasonably certain if Riddell went to that part of Chicago we wouldn't get him back.
[04:10] <vorian> one of the few airports i've seen haricrishnas
[04:10] <vorian> haha
[04:11]  * ScottK remembers being on the El in Chicago and asking directions.  Part of the directions were "Don't go south.  If you go South, you won't come back".
[04:11] <ScottK> Not kidding.
[04:11] <ScottK> Of course this was long enough ago that things were a bit wilder then.
[04:13] <vorian> as far as being in chicage proper, i've only been to UIC for swim meets
[04:14] <vorian> that university is surrounded by a rather large iron fence
[04:15]  * ScottK was in Chicago last month for a wedding.  It was really nice.
[04:15] <ryanakca> Anyways, if anybody is interested in sponsoring bangarang, the packaging is in the kubuntu branch of git://git.debian.org/users/ryanakca-guest/bangarang.git , pristine-tar in the pristine-tar branch... I can upload a DSC somewhere in the morning. G'night :)
[04:16] <ScottK> ryanakca: git == I don't want ScottK to do it.
[04:18] <ryanakca> ScottK: In that case, http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/bangarang
[04:19] <vorian> git out of here
[04:20] <vorian> all these revision controll folks should just perfect svn
[04:20] <ScottK> Oh dear.
[04:21] <ScottK> ryanakca: No full copy of the license in the upstream tarball.  Insta-fail.
[04:21] <vorian> that would be a good topic for uds, get rid of bzr
[04:21] <ryanakca> ScottK: Even with headers in all of the source files?
[04:21] <ScottK> In favor of?
[04:21] <ScottK> ryanakca: Gotta have the full text somewhere
[04:22]  * ryanakca will prod upstream into releasing beta2 or something
[04:22] <vorian> called COPYING
[04:22] <ScottK> OK.  Getting upstream to fix it is the best way.
[04:22] <vorian> or if they are using different licenses, each one will need to be included
[04:23] <ScottK> ryanakca: Also platform/blur.cpp: GPL (v2) LGPL (v2)
[04:24] <vorian> eeeewwww
[04:25] <ScottK> ryanakca: Actually that file isn't distributable since it's a mix of LGPL 2 and GPL 3 and they aren't compatible.
[04:26]  * ryanakca sighs and will talk to upstream about that too
[04:26] <ScottK> ryanakca: Cheers and good night.
[04:27] <ryanakca> ScottK: Thanks for taking a look, g'night :)
[04:32] <Riddell> ScottK: sure they are
[04:33] <Riddell> LGPL can be upgraded to GPL 2 or later
[04:33] <ScottK> Riddell: It says LGPL 2, not 2 and later.
[04:33] <Riddell> regardless, it can be upgraded to GPL 2 or later
[04:33] <Riddell> strange I know, but that's what it says
[04:33] <ScottK> Remind me never to use an FSF license again.
[05:37] <txwikinger> Hi Riddell
[07:41]  * kb9vqf is basking in the glow of a nicely integrated KDE3 + Compiz desktop...after quite a bit of coding
[07:42] <kb9vqf> Now I'll never go to the dark side! :)
[08:30] <Sput> kb9vqf: so what are you gonna do once KDE3 is being phased out of kubuntu?
[08:32] <kb9vqf> Keep it going in the PPA :)_
[08:32]  * kb9vqf notes that KDE3 is the only desktop that he is productive in
[09:22] <amichair> kb9vqf: what in kde3 makes u productive that doesn't exist anywhere else?
[09:24] <apachelogger> Quintasan|Szel: server address changes in rbutil ... oh luly lul!
[09:25] <apachelogger> Quintasan|Szel: anyhow, please clos0r the needs packaging bug, there is no point in packaging if upstream is about the only upstream that can not find a better way than changing server addresses in the code :P
[09:36] <Tm_T> hmh, who here was building webkit kpart ?
[09:36]  * Tm_T has terrible memory
[10:49] <markey_konvi> there
[10:49] <markey_konvi> :)
[10:50] <markey_konvi> you know what would rock
[10:50] <markey_konvi> being able to move tabs by dragging
[10:50] <markey_konvi> like in Chromium
[10:50] <markey_konvi> err
[10:50] <markey_konvi> wrong channel
[10:50] <markey_konvi> sry
[11:15] <zorael> The paths in System Settings -> About Me -> Paths seem to point to the _user directory_ per default. When you change them you're asked if you want to move the files to the new location, so if you changed any of the unset defaults, you'd relocate all your home files. See http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/Azraelian/kdepaths.png
[11:15] <zorael> and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1327066
[11:16] <zorael> Upon opening the window only Desktop and Autostart were set. The rest pointed to home.
[11:18] <zorael> ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs as such: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/319200/
[11:56] <apachelogger> zorael: bugs.kde.org
[11:57] <apachelogger> zorael: also, IIRC none of the default locations points to $HOME, so the only way this could happen is by users poking around in the config or by a very long upgrade path (probably starting before 8.04)
[11:59] <apachelogger> uha
[11:59] <apachelogger> file browserin gwenview causes disk activity
[12:08] <zorael> apachelogger: In my case the config file was tampered with before account creation (/etc/xdg/user-dirs.defaults). The paths I pointed them to were on a different partition (/main), so perhaps at some boot it failed to mount and went crazy? *shrug*
[12:14] <apachelogger> *shrug* that user-dirs stuff is magic to me :)
[12:37] <amichair> apachelogger: good morning, how u doing today?
[14:30] <ScottK> Sput: kb9vqf has produced a KDE3 version of Kubuntu (full KDE3 desktop on top of the current Ubuntu release) for the last few release cycles.
[14:30] <Sput> ah I see
[14:38] <nixternal> Riddell: damn, sorry dude..I had gone to bed cuz I was still a bit sick last night :(  You said 7'ish, so I waited until like 8:30...after my tirade last night I passed out...just missed you seriously by like 5 minutes
[14:41] <nixternal> nearby O'Hare for me is seriuosly less than 10 miles, or 16km just for you
[14:41] <apachelogger> amichair: ahoy
[14:42] <amichair> apachelogger: wadup dude?
[14:42]  * apachelogger is dehydrated :D
[14:43]  * amichair pours apachelogger a nice cup of tea
[14:43] <txwikinger> apachelogger: don't drink so much :D
[14:44] <txwikinger> nixternal: they have miles in UK too:D
[14:45] <apachelogger> tea++
[14:45] <amichair> mostly nautical miles there, no?
[14:46]  * apachelogger tells amarok to play some ugress
[14:46] <txwikinger> amichair: No just the normal imperial mile
[14:46] <txwikinger> It came actually from the Roman Empire to UK
[14:47] <Sput> I thought they had been outlawed by EU regulations by now
[14:47] <txwikinger> and from UK to US
[14:47] <txwikinger> Sput: No..the EU directive is only for units for sale
[14:47] <amichair> txwikinger: oh.. all I remember from history classes at the moment is that UK sea fleet rocks :-)
[14:47] <apachelogger> regulate them miles away!
[14:47] <txwikinger> i.e. you must sell products in grams, kg etc
[14:47] <Sput> well, UK subs like hitting French subs :>
[14:48] <nixternal> US subs like hitting Japanese fishing boats :p
[14:48] <txwikinger> US subs, i.e Subways, Quiznos etc.?
[14:48] <amichair> well since u can sell anything on ebay nowadays... miles should be outlawed!
[14:48] <nixternal> mmm Quiznos
[14:49] <nixternal> we have a new mexican grill though, that is very similar to Chipotle called Qdoba...ate their last night, and I have to say, it is pretty darn good
[14:49] <apachelogger> sell miles on ebay?
[14:49] <apachelogger> huh
[14:49] <txwikinger> amichair: Well if you sell a road in UK,you must do it in Km not in miles
[14:49] <amichair> txwikinger: well there u have it :-)
[14:50]  * txwikinger does not remember roads ever sold, except in former East Germany accidently
[14:50]  * apachelogger pokes nixternal into writing a vision n scope doc :P
[14:50] <nixternal> is that the email you sent me?
[14:50] <apachelogger> aye
[14:50] <txwikinger> rofl
[14:50] <nixternal> roger that...just read it...will look again when I am a bit more awake and less groggy from the meds
[14:50] <apachelogger> I shared the whole timelord stuff, now that google docs supports folder sharing :D
[14:50] <apachelogger> nixternal: you are on meds?
[14:51] <nixternal> trying to get rid of this cold^Wflu^Wbug
[14:51] <apachelogger> ohhh
[14:51] <apachelogger> no swines involved I do hope
[14:51]  * amichair pours nixternal a cup of tea as well, with a cookie to match
[14:52]  * apachelogger gets himself better a flu shot before talking to nixternal any more :P
[14:52] <nixternal> i really feel bad for not getting Riddell last night :(
[14:52] <txwikinger> N1H1 has nothing to do with swines
[14:52] <nixternal> H1N1 :)
[14:53] <amichair> now there's a catchy name
[14:53] <amichair> let me know when the R2D2 epidemic is out
[14:53] <apachelogger> oh well
[14:54] <apachelogger> people who talk about miles have a right to call it swine flu :P
[14:54] <txwikinger> who else has this panics where lots of people go into one room giving each other the flu in order to get a flu shot?
[14:54] <nixternal> RS232 epidemic
[14:54] <nixternal> txwikinger: people were holding H1N1 parties when it first started in order to get it over with :)
[14:54] <amichair> nixternal: that's no epidemic... two people can't get it in parallel
[14:54] <nixternal> in series they can :p
[14:55] <txwikinger> Well.. here they people stand outside in the cold for hours in order to get a flu shot
[14:55] <apachelogger> isnt it serial then?
[14:55] <nixternal> it just took me a second to realize you were poking fun at my own joke :D
[14:56] <nixternal> remember how much fun null modem cables were so you could share data from one computer to the next 20 years ago :)
[14:56]  * txwikinger rembers the software called kermit :D
[14:57] <txwikinger> +em
[14:57] <amichair> nixternal: that was soooo awesome... two computers talking!
[14:57] <nixternal> there was other software too, laplink I think it was called
[14:57] <Kolia> hi
[14:57] <amichair> yep
[14:57] <txwikinger> nixternal: that was the commercial knockoff of the free software called kermit
[14:57] <nixternal> iirc laplink had a gui before windows did
[14:57] <Kolia> anyone knows if the microblog plasmoid is going ot be fixed soon?
[14:57] <amichair> when ansi art was all the rage in bbss :-)
[14:57] <apachelogger> ahoy Kolia
[14:57] <apachelogger> Kolia: it is broken?
[14:57] <txwikinger> and kermit could even do automatic ASCII/EBSDIC converstion
[14:58]  * txwikinger outed himself as being very old again
[14:58] <apachelogger> indeed he did :P
[14:59] <amichair> does that make me old too?
[14:59] <amichair> well at least I'm emotionally immature, so it makes up for it :-P
[14:59] <nixternal> age(laplink) > age(kermit)
[14:59] <Kolia> apachelogger: it is
[14:59] <txwikinger> amichair: You know EBSDIC computers?
[14:59] <nixternal> so kermit was the knockoff
[14:59] <apachelogger> Kolia: got a bug report for that at hand?
[14:59] <txwikinger> nixternal: kermit was there when there was no dos or windows
[14:59] <Kolia> apachelogger: yep give me a sec
[15:00] <txwikinger> so how can laplink be older?
[15:00] <Kolia> apachelogger: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeplasma-addons/+bug/414572
[15:00] <amichair> txwikinger: well no, I started with a vic20
[15:00] <nixternal> hrmm, i thought it wasn't as old as laplink...laplink was for everything back in the day....Commodore, UNIX, DOS, Macs
[15:01] <amichair> yay! I'm young again! :-P
[15:01] <nixternal> ahh, kermit is 2 years older than laplink according to wikipedia
[15:01] <txwikinger> kermit was used with DECS on vms
[15:01] <nixternal> laplink == 1983, kermit == 1981
[15:01] <txwikinger> \o/
[15:01] <amichair> actually I remember my first modem... problem was... I had nobody to call...
[15:02] <Kolia> apachelogger: it's been fixed upstream one month ago, but something was badly backported to 4.3.3 at one moment (see the last comments): https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=200475
[15:02]  * txwikinger remembers 300 baud accustic coupler
[15:02] <amichair> txwikinger: wargames style?
[15:02] <txwikinger> yep
[15:02] <apachelogger> amichair: you could always have called your grand parents I suppose :P
[15:02] <Kolia> so maybe it has been packaged for kubuntu jst before the backport thing got fixed.
[15:02]  * txwikinger had those
[15:03]  * txwikinger wonders what NFL games he is missing today
[15:03] <apachelogger> bko is pretty slowish today
[15:03]  * txwikinger wonders if AA isshowing NFL live now
[15:04] <apachelogger> oh
[15:04] <apachelogger> .3 is in a ppa
[15:04]  * apachelogger is always getting lost in our publishing policies
[15:05] <nixternal> txwikinger: I had one of those on my commodore vic20, the phone to base coupler :)
[15:05] <txwikinger> oohhh.. Cowboys are at Lambeau filed
[15:05] <txwikinger> field
[15:06] <Kolia> apachelogger: but it's not working in ppa as stated in last comment in the bug report (and i notice the same thing)
[15:06] <txwikinger> nixternal: I used a couple before I got the VIC20
[15:06] <txwikinger> on my self build processor
[15:06] <nixternal> ya, i did the self build stuff only cuz my dad worked for panasonic when they made parts for tandy
[15:07]  * txwikinger did it because before VIC20 and Sinclair computers were to expensive in Germany
[15:07] <nixternal> you know there is still 1 living tandy corporation to this day, as the rest of the company died off?
[15:07] <txwikinger> well I paid more for the VIC than you pay today for a netbook
[15:07] <nixternal> Tandy Leather....that tripped me out to find that out as my dad is a leathercrafter and goes to tandy on a regular basis
[15:07]  * apachelogger is wondering what tandy was :D
[15:07] <ryanakca> apachelogger: same here
[15:08] <nixternal> tandy + radio shack == TRS 80
[15:08] <txwikinger> rofl
[15:08] <txwikinger> look at all the chicken here:D
[15:08] <nixternal> lol
[15:08] <amichair> tandy was the radioshack house-brand, no?
[15:09] <nixternal> the first desktop we had here was a Sperry/Rand machine that ran the original UNIX that my mom got from work at Sperry/Unisys or Comdisco, can't remember who she was working with then
[15:09] <nixternal> that was 1979 :)
[15:09] <txwikinger> tandy bought radio shack at one time,right?
[15:09] <nixternal> know, just a partnership
[15:09] <nixternal> Radio Shack provided parts and sold it
[15:09] <nixternal> s/know/no
[15:09] <nixternal> though there might have been some stock ownership in the deal
[15:10] <txwikinger> right... tandy is bankrupt, radio shack still exists
[15:10] <txwikinger> even radio shack left Canada
[15:10] <nixternal> well tandy sold off everything but Tandy Leather...which is weird
[15:10] <nixternal> electronics and leather...weird combination
[15:10] <apachelogger> Kolia: it seems both kde rev 1036051 and kde rev 1033679 are incorporated in our 4.3.3 packages
[15:11] <nixternal> radio shack is #2 behind walmart for retail...I had no clue as I hate radio shack...only found out because Lance Armstrong created a new cycling team that is backed by Radio Shack and Livestrong
[15:11] <nixternal> anyone else have a broken choqok btw? mine breaks when I click inbox
[15:11]  * txwikinger liked Radio Shack in Texas
[15:12] <apachelogger> nixternal: WFM
[15:12] <nixternal> if i delete the configs for it, and start it new, it works, but as soon as I move the window/resize it, everytime I click inbox it freezes then crashes
[15:12] <txwikinger> where do you have an inbox in xhoqok?
[15:12] <nixternal> for identi.ca and twitter...for direct messages
[15:12] <txwikinger> ah
[15:13] <txwikinger> I can click inbox
[15:13] <nixternal> need to reinstall it...prolly got busted in the dist-upgrade :)
[15:13] <Kolia> apachelogger: where can i see the code used in the 4.3.3 package?
[15:13] <nixternal> though it is kind of peaceful not twittering and such
[15:13] <apachelogger> Kolia: yes, qulonglong used all the way
[15:13] <apachelogger> Kolia: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa/+files/kdeplasma-addons_4.3.3.orig.tar.gz
[15:13] <nixternal> though I guess I am no longer cool...or was I ever really cool because I don't have a facebook account and never will
[15:13] <nixternal> death to facebook!
[15:13] <txwikinger> ha.. dist-upgrade ... bad
[15:13] <apachelogger> nixternal: yeah, I was looking for you ond friendface
[15:13] <apachelogger> didnt find you
[15:13] <nixternal> txwikinger: this machine has been dist-upgraded since dapper flight 5
[15:14] <apachelogger> made me cry a bit
[15:14] <nixternal> apachelogger: just don't send me a friend request like vorian does :)
[15:14] <apachelogger> pfff :P
[15:14] <txwikinger> nixternal: you shouldn't dist-upgrade
[15:14] <nixternal> i mark facebook email as spam, but gmail just lets it through
[15:14] <txwikinger> at least use do-release-upgrade
[15:15] <nixternal> txwikinger: I have been told that since 1995 with Debian...never hurt a thing for me in 15+ years
[15:15] <dtchen_> heh, reminds me of the IT Crowd episode
[15:15] <nixternal> hehe
[15:15]  * apachelogger always QAs dist-upgrade when there is time left :P
[15:16] <txwikinger> wife's laptop has no sound anymore
[15:16] <Kolia> apachelogger: thanks, having a look.
[15:16] <amichair> txwikinger: try switching a wife, see if it helps :-P
[15:17] <dtchen_> txwikinger: filed a bug?
[15:17] <txwikinger> amichair: NO doesn't
[15:17]  * apachelogger pbuilds amarok
[15:18] <amichair> hehe
[15:18] <apachelogger> must have been months since my last real testbuild :P
[15:18] <apachelogger> feels bumpy
[15:18] <txwikinger> it used before and no upgrades in the meantime (except of RAM)
[15:18] <apachelogger> need to look into that
[15:18] <apachelogger> getting a testbuild env is quite the PITA
[15:18] <Kolia> apachelogger: someone has attached patches to the (launchpad)bug report, and got no answer about it
[15:18] <apachelogger> Kolia: what bug number would that bug have?
[15:19] <apachelogger> also, those stuff should go to bugs.kde.org really
[15:19] <Kolia> apachelogger: why kde? it's fixed in KDE
[15:19] <apachelogger> attaching patches to launchpad bugs might get the issue resolved in 6 months or so
[15:19] <apachelogger> anyhow
[15:19] <apachelogger> bug numba plz
[15:19] <Kolia> well if the bug is kubuntu related i think we'll be flamed at bko :)
[15:20] <apachelogger> flaming happens either way
[15:20] <Kolia> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeplasma-addons/+bug/414572
[15:20] <Kolia> apachelogger: ^
[15:23] <txwikinger> ha.. the caps lock light is reversed
[15:23] <apachelogger> hm
[15:24] <nixternal> well, since dustin put out testdrive, i am loving qemu again....in karmic it works so much better than it did previously on this machine
[15:24] <apachelogger> haha
[15:24] <apachelogger> rofl
[15:24] <apachelogger> did I ever mention how I do not like patching
[15:25] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/319338/
[15:25] <apachelogger> what is missing in that change? :P
[15:25] <Kolia> WithFriends ?
[15:26] <apachelogger> and the else
[15:26] <apachelogger> no wonder it is broken if a whole condition is missing :D
[15:27] <Kolia> where does this patch comes from?
[15:27]  * apachelogger checks debdiff
[15:28] <txwikinger> nixternal: no bug.. is an old kernel probably
[15:31] <apachelogger> Kolia: some Kubuntu dev created it
[15:33]  * txwikinger fixed the audio problem
[15:33] <amichair> txwikinger: what was it?
[15:34] <txwikinger> the newer kernel has a problem, the older works
[15:35] <txwikinger> it is still intrepid I believe
[15:35]  * txwikinger needs to upgrade the laptop after UDS
[15:35] <dtchen_> you fixed an audio bug by downgrading? That's a rather strange definition of "fix".
[15:35] <txwikinger> why.... whatever works
[15:36]  * txwikinger thinks open source has far too many regression bugs
[15:36] <dtchen_> txwikinger: no, that doesn't fix the bug at all. You're papering over the issue. And you aren't helping *me* to fix it, which is why I'm concerned.
[15:37] <txwikinger> dtchen_: It is probably fixed in a newer kernel
[15:37] <dtchen_> arg
[15:37]  * txwikinger said ^^ I will upgrade the laptop after UDS
[15:37] <dtchen_> txwikinger: that's why I asked you if you have filed a bug
[15:37] <txwikinger> after I upgrade I will see if it is still an issue and if it is then I will file a bug
[15:37] <dtchen_> txwikinger: thank you
[15:38]  * txwikinger thinks we have to many not reproducible bugs too
[15:38] <txwikinger> +o
[15:38]  * amichair things we have too many bugs of any type
[15:39] <amichair> even typos!
[15:40]  * txwikinger is amused that there is a Anti-Windows ad by Mac at every commercial break
[15:50] <apachelogger> mhhh
[15:50] <apachelogger> maintenance overhead
[15:50]  * apachelogger is preparing updates for lucid, karmic and karmic ppa to fix one tiny issue
[15:53] <Kolia> tiny microblogging issue?
[15:55] <apachelogger> yus
[15:56] <Kolia> hurrah \o/
[16:46]  * txwikinger signs off for travel to UDS
[16:49] <amichair> txwikinger: have fun :-)
[16:49] <txwikinger> amichair: thanks I will :D
[16:49]  * txwikinger used to live in Dallas for a long time and has still lots of friends there
[16:49] <amichair> txwikinger: go make the world a better place :-D
[16:50] <txwikinger> :p
[16:55] <ghostcube> hmm is there anything new about the printer applet ?
[17:24] <Riddell> shtylman_: ping?
[17:31] <bbigras> Riddell: will you have time soon to upload the kopete-facebook package?
[17:37] <apachelogger> Kolia: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot051.png
[17:37] <apachelogger> I suppose that is what it should look like
[17:40] <Riddell> dddd
[17:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: is that some special keyword for something? :)
[17:43] <Riddell> it's me going "do I still have an internet connection on the 10th floor"
[17:44] <apachelogger> hehe :D
[17:44] <apachelogger> Kolia: fix for 4.3.3 uploading and waiting for build
[17:44] <Riddell> bbigras: kopete-facebook uploaded
[17:45] <bbigras> Riddell: thanks!
[18:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 414572 needs some SRU love ... subscribed ubuntu-sru and uploaded to karmic-proposed, maybe you can speed up things a bit? ;)
[18:12] <apachelogger> neversfelde: I have amarok going already :P
[18:12] <apachelogger> well
[18:12] <apachelogger> still needs a testbuild
[18:12] <apachelogger> that microblog stuff got in my way a bit :)
[18:12] <neversfelde> apachelogger: meh :)
[18:13] <neversfelde> ok, I stop
[18:13] <apachelogger> neversfelde: you can go for backporting to karmic :P
[18:13] <neversfelde> apachelogger: ok, I'll do
[18:13] <apachelogger> neversfelde: just let me finish a testbuild on lucid
[18:13] <neversfelde> send me your files, I can testbuild, too
[18:13] <apachelogger> hm
[18:13] <apachelogger> good point
[18:14] <neversfelde> I stop my build
[18:14] <apachelogger> neversfelde: pushed to packaging branch
[18:15] <neversfelde> k
[18:15] <apachelogger> i.e. ~kubuntu-members/amarok/ubuntu/
[18:17] <neversfelde> apachelogger: wah, that isn't a merge, isn't it :)
[18:17] <apachelogger> neversfelde: nope
[18:17] <apachelogger> just imported the modified mysql patch
[18:17] <neversfelde> apachelogger: and upstream said we should include a patch for the playlist, I'll add it and merge next time
[18:18] <apachelogger> k
[18:18] <apachelogger> btw, you dont want to merge and prepare a new upstream release at the same time :)
[18:18] <apachelogger> in my experience that usually ends up in bad quality
[18:19] <neversfelde> apachelogger: ok, mysqle_amarok_local_errmsg_feature.diff is already new?
[18:19] <apachelogger> aye
[18:20]  * ScottK signs off to head to UDS....
[18:20] <apachelogger> hf ScottK
[18:21] <apachelogger> neversfelde: btw if you feel like it, you might want to try recruiting the dude behind http://kubdeb.weebly.com/ for proper packaging :)
[18:22] <ScottK> FYI, I asked my 15 year old daughter today what we should make better in Kubuntu.  Without prompting she said make it work better with Firefox.
[18:22] <apachelogger> she did not use chrome yet, did she? :P
[18:22]  * apachelogger agrees with that statement though
[18:22] <dtchen_> any specifics?
[18:22] <dtchen_> UI? style? etc.
[18:23] <dtchen_> e.g., anything that can be investigated from the openSUSE 11.2 approach
[18:23] <apachelogger> ui, style, mimetypes, file dialog, printing, .....
[18:23] <ScottK> dtchen_: No.  She's a teenager.  I only get so much information.
[18:23] <bbigras> the firefox package with the KDE integration is nice
[18:23] <ScottK> Installing gvfs has made her a lot happier.
[18:23] <ScottK> Really leaving now.
[18:24] <apachelogger> Kolia: 4.3.3 fix published
[18:24] <neversfelde> apachelogger: who is he?
[18:24] <apachelogger> neversfelde: no clue, but since he clearly is interested in packaging, he might as well go for the real deal ;)
[18:25] <apachelogger> just saw him somewhat advertise that site on kde-apps
[18:25] <apachelogger> which promptly made me ponder whether to remove that entry :P
[18:29] <Kolia> apachelogger: thanks a lot :)
[18:30] <neversfelde> apachelogger: don't know if I have time for this in the next days
[18:32] <neversfelde> vacation time again
[18:33] <MarkusK_> Hi. I just learned about Project Timelord and read that there are issues with the translation system. Is this the right channel for a suggestion on this issue?
[18:51] <apachelogger> MarkusK_: hey
[18:52] <apachelogger> MarkusK_: I suppose you can just throw in any thoughts on the translations issue
[18:52] <MarkusK_> apachelogger: ok, I hope someone reads them ...
[18:53] <apachelogger> it usually works :)
[18:53] <MarkusK_> To make it short: I have made very good experiences with http://translatewiki.net/ for localising my open source projects
[18:53] <MarkusK_> if you look for a free platform that helps the community to get involved into translation, then this might be interesting
[18:54] <MarkusK_> the project was originally created for translating MediaWiki and its extensions, but any project is welcome, I think
[18:55] <MarkusK_> We have received translations in about 50 languages is rather short time from that portal.
[18:56] <MarkusK_> I do not know if this is an option for KDE, since it is a very open platform, but it might be the usable open source translation platform that you need to get more support from the community
[19:01] <rgreening> hey all
[19:16] <bbigras> is there a delay between a package being published for karmic and being avaiable for upgrade with apt?
[19:17] <apachelogger> that depends en entirely on whether you use a mirror or not
[19:17] <DaskreecH> JontheEchidna: http://www.mymodernmet.com/profiles/blogs/digital-camera-photographer-of DasField is nice :)
[19:19] <DaskreecH> apachelogger: Anything that needs doktoring?
[19:20] <apachelogger> DaskreecH: you ever wrote a vision and scope doc?
[19:21] <DaskreecH> No >_>
[19:21] <DaskreecH> For the timelord project?
[19:22] <apachelogger> for kubuntu in general
[19:22] <apachelogger> anyhow
[19:22] <DaskreecH>  or for something under the umbrella?
[19:22] <apachelogger> DaskreecH: you could draft up a patch policy :)
[19:22] <DaskreecH> Ok what's that involve?
[19:22] <apachelogger> or draft up a spec on how to improve QA
[19:22] <apachelogger> or come up with some vision document for the kubuntu/ubuntu apps solving maintenance feature parity and stuff
[19:23] <DaskreecH> I can probably jump on the QA one :)
[19:23] <apachelogger> okies
[19:23] <DaskreecH> I don't know how to attack Kubuntu/ubuntu feature paraity
[19:23] <DaskreecH> parity
[19:23] <apachelogger> DaskreecH: also you could go any way up or down talk to upstream about their opinion of kubuntu as downstream and what not
[19:23] <DaskreecH>  esp if it's one way due to marketing
[19:23] <bbigras> apachelogger: yes mirrors, I forgot. I'm used to the ppa. thanks
[19:23] <apachelogger> or downstreams to users to see what they want
[19:24] <apachelogger> DaskreecH: not kubuntu/ubuntu feature parity ... only scoped to the apps
[19:24] <DaskreecH> apachelogger: Hmm I'm generally pretty good at running around and getting impressions
[19:24] <DaskreecH> 0_0
[19:24] <apachelogger> e.g. software-properties-kde does not implement all the stuff software-properties-gtk offers
[19:24] <apachelogger> that is something we should not allow to happen
[19:24] <DaskreecH> isn't kubuntu/ubuntu simply a collection of Apps around a community
[19:25] <apachelogger> DaskreecH: I am only talking about kubuntu/ubuntu apps
[19:25] <DaskreecH> Ah First party apps
[19:25] <apachelogger> software-properties, apturl, jockey, language-selector
[19:25] <apachelogger> they are not the quality you would imagine to get from first party
[19:29] <DaskreecH> Yeah I don't know how to address that esp if Ubuntu wants feature parity with our first party apps
[19:34] <Mamarok_> apachelogger: it would be nice if somebody could answer that mail, seems have gone forgotten. I am not too deep in timelord knowledge yet to do so I fear
[19:34] <DaskreecH> I wonder if konqueror hasa dbus call to close the current tab
[19:35] <apachelogger> Mamarok_: what mail?
[19:35] <Mamarok_> oops, wante to post the link, sry: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2009-November/003524.html
[19:36] <neversfelde> apachelogger: FTFBS http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/319467/
[19:37] <apachelogger> jwisser-: ping, above, interested in marketing aspect
[19:38] <apachelogger> ScottK: ping, above, please send him towards some plasma-netbook dude, I am unsure whom to send him to :)
[19:38] <apachelogger> Mamarok_: thanks for the reminder
[19:38] <jwisser-> apachelogger: Sorry, my logs aren't doing so well. What's up?
[19:39] <apachelogger> jwisser-: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2009-November/003524.html
[19:39] <apachelogger> that dude would like to help with marketing :)
[19:39]  * apachelogger is wondering if the kubuntu devs can be stakeholders of kubuntu
[19:41] <jwisser-> apachelogger: Gotcha. I'm on my way out the door now, but I'll email him later. And join the mailing list, too. ::hangs head::
[19:41] <DaskreecH> In what way?
[19:42] <DaskreecH> apachelogger: Any upstream that you are interested in or basically KDE ?
[19:42] <apachelogger> jwisser-: hehe, cool :)
[19:42] <apachelogger> DaskreecH: anyone you know in person :P
[19:42] <apachelogger> DaskreecH: I sent a mail to kde-devel, didnt bring much useful input though
[19:42] <DaskreecH> Are these going to be publicised anywhere?
[19:42] <DaskreecH> or is it just internal?
[19:42] <DaskreecH> We have enough space in he ardis for all the responses? :-)
[19:43] <apachelogger> well, no need to have details published, but a general summary I suppose
[19:43] <DaskreecH> Ok cool
[19:43] <Mamarok_> apachelogger: you should have sent it to kde-promo
[19:45] <apachelogger> Mamarok_: I was interessted in dev feedback on kubuntu's work
[19:49] <Mamarok_> apachelogger: hm, kde-core-devel. then
[19:49] <apachelogger> that was CCd
[19:49] <apachelogger> no clue if it got through moderation
[19:50] <Mamarok_> well, Nightrose is admin for core-devel, she should have let it through
[19:51] <Mamarok_> it did go through, only markey answered, though
[19:51] <ryanakca> ScottK: Upstream fixed the issues in their git repo. I've asked them to release 1.0~beta2 if / when they can.
[19:52] <apachelogger> neversfelde: possible fix up
[19:52] <markey> someone highlighted me?
[19:52] <markey> sorry, using new IRC client, it confuses me a bit still
[19:53] <markey> ah yes, Mamarok_ did
[19:53] <markey> ok :)
[19:53] <DaskreecH> apachelogger: http://identi.ca/n1xx that's one thought on Kubuntu
[19:54] <neversfelde> apachelogger: already did this
[19:54] <neversfelde> it is building, let's see
[19:55] <apachelogger> meanwhile I can continue to worry about stakeholders :P
[19:57] <apachelogger> DaskreecH: oh wellz, everyone thinks arch is flawless :D
[19:57] <apachelogger> maybe I should blog and proof them wrong on that one
[19:58] <apachelogger> uha
[19:58] <apachelogger> markey giving out free patches :D
[19:58] <apachelogger> neversfelde: did you incorporate that amarok patch?
[19:58] <apachelogger> already?
[20:00] <apachelogger> neversfelde: latest branch revision
[20:00] <apachelogger> builds just fine
[20:01]  * apachelogger is hitting the return key too often it seems :D
[20:01] <neversfelde> apachelogger: yes
[20:02] <apachelogger> neversfelde: yes to what?
[20:02] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I synced the patch from debian and renamed it
[20:02]  * apachelogger is confused :P
[20:03]  * neversfelde too
[20:03] <neversfelde> :)
[20:03] <apachelogger> neversfelde: bzr merge --preview :P
[20:03] <apachelogger> we might be conflicting now
[20:03] <neversfelde> apachelogger: no problem, I'll merge that after the testbuild
[20:06] <apachelogger> markey: are we sure that the playlist fix builds? :)
[20:07] <Mamarok_> apachelogger: local build always worked here
[20:07] <apachelogger> ok
[20:08] <markey> apachelogger: it should build. if not, please tell us
[20:08] <apachelogger> well, I just dont feel like wasting another 30 minutes on testbuilding :P
[20:08] <apachelogger> so Ill just blame you should the upload fail to build
[20:09] <Mamarok_> apachelogger: there were no dependency changes, mostly bugfixes, don't see why it shouldn't build
[20:10] <Mamarok_> I use the Karmic packages for my local builds (mysql, bindings, etc.) and it works
[20:10] <apachelogger> well
[20:10] <apachelogger> uploading then
[20:11] <apachelogger> or is it not released yet?
[20:11] <Mamarok_> release is tomorrow IIRC, we added that patch today
[20:11] <apachelogger> ah, release manager is still stuck with getting drunk at promo meeting :P
[20:11] <Mamarok_> exactly :)
[20:11] <apachelogger> well, I am all ready to go either way
[20:11] <Mamarok_> nice :)
[20:12] <apachelogger> neversfelde should also have karmic packages ready for publishing by tomorrow I suppose :)
[20:20] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I will try to get them ready in time
[20:23] <markey> apachelogger: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WMsbUl3phhU/SwASITQTYEI/AAAAAAAAAJc/pIocbf9NqSs/s1600-h/20091113_009.jpg
[20:23] <markey> so, yeah
[20:24] <markey> you might have been right with the drinking foo ;)
[20:24] <apachelogger> uhh, now that is really drunk
[20:25] <apachelogger> markey: you know how them meetings are, no real producitivty, just fake one so you can justify getting drunk :P
[20:26] <markey> ssssshhhh
[20:26] <markey> that's a well kept secret
[20:26] <apachelogger> oh cmon, it is a well known secret anyway :P
[20:31] <ryanakca> Any interest in having a CIA style bot watching Kubuntu branches?
[20:41] <ScottK> apachelogger: I don't see the thing about Netbook.  notmart and MoRpHeUs are the dudes.  Often found on #kubuntu-netbook.  Not sure what the question was.
[20:44] <ScottK> ryanakca: Maybe in a separate channel for people that want it.
[20:44] <ScottK> I think the bug bot for #kubuntu-bugs would be a higher priority though.
[20:45] <ScottK> Oh, I see you got that working.  Cool.
[20:45]  * ScottK for once has airport wireless that doesn't totally suck.
[20:45] <dtchen_> thanks to Google?
[20:45] <ScottK> No, I don't think they have anything to do with it.
[20:46] <apachelogger> google has something to do with everthing!
[20:46] <ScottK> Well there is that.
[20:46] <ScottK> Oddly enough I seem to have a Boingo account I'd totally forgotten about that works.
[20:46]  * ScottK needs to go double check credit card statements to see if he's paying for it.
[20:47]  * apachelogger is wondering what problem Kubuntu is supposed to solve
[20:48] <Sput> hmmm... gNOme sucks? :>
[20:50] <ScottK> apachelogger: Maybe we should ask Kubuntu users why they picked Kubuntu and see if something stands out.
[20:50] <ScottK>  -1 to Sput for stating the obvious
[20:50] <Sput> :)
[20:50] <Sput> someone has to!
[20:51] <dtchen_> ScottK: Google is purportedly subsidizing Boingo, etc., hotspots through early next year
[20:52] <dtchen_> as part of the "free wifi at airports" deal
[20:52] <ScottK> dtchen_: OK.  Then thanks to Google.  Didn't know that.
[20:52] <apachelogger> I told you...
[20:52] <ScottK> That may be why my old Boingo account worked ;-)
[20:53] <apachelogger> ScottK: btw, I think it would make more sense to have devs and canonical point out some love
[20:53] <ScottK> They very carefully don't tell you you don't actually have to pay on the login web site
[21:08] <markey> apachelogger: hey, you gonna join our MM Sprint? we should meet up sometime again anyway
[21:08] <markey> you could be Kubuntu's spokesperson
[21:10] <ScottK> That sounds management like enough for apachelogger.
[21:10] <neversfelde> apachelogger: builds and usr/share/kde4/apps/amarok/amarok.notifyrc  is missing, thats why knotify is not working
[21:10] <neversfelde> I'll add that
[21:11] <markey> ScottK: I'm detecting a certain irony there ;) don't bash the logger :p
[21:11] <ScottK> markey: He was threatening to promote himself to management so any irony is self-induced at the distant end.
[21:12] <ScottK> ;-)
[21:15] <Sput> don't logger the basher!
[21:44] <skreech> Riddell: So you say that Krita in KDE4 is about as usable as the KDE3 version now?
[22:33]  * ScottK waves
[22:33]  * ScottK didn't expect wifi on the airplane.
[22:33] <apachelogger> markey: when is that?
[22:33] <apachelogger> ScottK: not that is luxury
[22:33] <apachelogger> s/not/now
[22:33] <ScottK> Yeah, first time I've encountered it.
[22:34] <ScottK> Latency isn't so bad either.
[22:34] <ScottK> A pleasant suprise.
[22:34] <ScottK> Core lag is only 48 msec right now.
[22:35] <skreech> ScottK: How open is it?
[22:35] <ScottK> skreech: My quassel core listens on a non-standard port, so reasonablye.
[22:35] <markey> apachelogger: http://www.doodle.com/7dahwb5ssndrwaxz
[22:36] <ScottK> More open than the wifi at the library for sure.
[22:36] <ScottK> AFAICT all they allow there is DNS and http.
[22:36] <apachelogger> markey: in randa I read?
[22:37] <markey> apachelogger: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-events&m=125811990106415&w=2
[22:38] <apachelogger> markey: sign me up for that :)
[22:38] <apachelogger> need to figure out the financing, but other than that
[22:38] <markey> well use Doodle for signing up
[22:38] <markey> financing is a non-issue I assume
[22:38] <neversfelde> apachelogger: pushed my changes to bzr, Amarok is ready for lucid, if you want to upload. I tested the build 2 times, should be no problem
[22:39] <neversfelde> karmic package is on its way
[22:39] <markey> there is the e.V., there is Canonical, there are potentially sponsors (not yet confirmed)
[22:39] <markey> also the meeting is cheep, costs €10 per day per person for lodging
[22:39] <markey> cheap even
[22:39] <apachelogger> that is indeed very reasonable
[22:41] <skreech> markey: so lfranchi is confirmed as not going?
[22:41] <markey> it would help us if people started to actually reply to our mails ;)
[22:41] <markey> so far they did not
[22:41] <markey> we need it confirmed, for booking the house
[22:42] <markey> skreech: no idea, haven't checked
[22:42] <markey> he's in the USA, and super busy
[22:42] <markey> so dunno
[22:42] <skreech> He's listed on Doodle as red for all days ;)
[22:42] <markey> non-issue, as we will probably meet some other time then
[22:42] <markey> (we meet frequently)
[22:42] <ScottK> skreech: ssh works too
[22:43] <skreech> ScottK: Ha nice
[22:43] <skreech> Find out if the cockpit runs Linux
[22:44]  * ScottK guesses that's on a different network.
[22:44] <skreech> You'd hope otherwise I want my damn water back
[22:45] <skreech> and my Peanut butter :(
[22:45] <ScottK> So I can work on merges in flight ...
[22:46] <skreech> ScottK: Or commit a plasmoid that tracks plane flights so you can see when you are going to land in real time :)
[22:46] <ScottK> Heh.
[22:49] <ScottK> Does dig -x 12.130.116.168 return anything other than servfail for anyone?
[22:50] <ScottK> Oddly enough I get servfail from my remote server I'm ssh'ed into, but nxdomain locally (from inside the network)
[22:50] <ScottK> (That's the IP I'm connected to the outside world from at the moment)
[22:53] <Sput> nice. this must be the first time Quassel is used from an airplane :)
[22:54] <apachelogger> someone blog about it!!!!
[22:56] <skreech> ScottK: Servfail
[22:57] <ScottK> Interesting.
[22:57] <ScottK> Sput: You said from anywhere...
[22:57] <skreech> http://paste.ubuntu.com/319583/
[22:57] <skreech> ScottK: ^^
[22:58] <Sput> ScottK: well, we still need Mark to use it when he goes into space next time
[22:58] <ScottK> skreech: Yeah, that's what I get too.  I guess their external DNS is bugged.
[22:59] <skreech> Maybe they don't want people sshing into the plane?
[23:00] <ScottK> PTR lookup on an IP won't affect that.
[23:00] <ScottK> http://paste.ubuntu.com/319586/ is what it looks like from the inside.
[23:03] <skreech> hmm interesting
[23:09]  * ScottK probably should have read the TOS more closely before posting that.
[23:11] <ryanakca> Whats the dh7 equivalent of DEB_CMAKE_EXTRA_FLAGS ?
[23:30] <Riddell> skreech: I think so, I find krita is pretty nice generally but it can be slow and there are plenty of bugs but the sort of bugs you can work around easily enough
[23:30] <Riddell> skreech: but try the 2.1 RC if you're using krita or other koffice bits
[23:30] <rgreening> Riddell: you dry yet
[23:30] <rgreening> :)
[23:31] <ScottK> rgreening: I remembered the jacket.
[23:31] <ScottK> \o/
[23:31] <rgreening> ScottK: cool.
[23:31] <rgreening> I miss that jacket :)
[23:31] <Riddell> rgreening: I look like I've wet myself
[23:31] <rgreening> It's in all my profile pics
[23:31] <rgreening> Riddell: you sure you didn't?
[23:31] <rgreening> :)
[23:31] <skreech> Riddell: was the 2.1 RC repo posted on Kubuntu.org ?
[23:31] <ScottK> It was close though.  I was sitting there wonder what I'd forgotten to pack.  Fortunately I did in fact put it somewhere I couldn't forget it.
[23:32] <rgreening> haha
[23:32] <rgreening> ScottK: are you here yet?
[23:32] <ScottK> rgreening: No.  In the air.
[23:33] <rgreening> cool. kairplanemode not on
[23:33] <rgreening> :P
[23:34] <ScottK> Yep.  Trying to work on my Kubuntu Netbook plenary presentation.
[23:36] <DarkwingDuck> Hey ScottK I got my desktop up and running today.
[23:37] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: Great.
[23:37] <ScottK> I look forward to some docs.
[23:38] <ScottK> I hope you're feeling better too.
[23:39] <Riddell> skreech: no I don't think so, it was done late, but it's in https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta
[23:40] <neversfelde> when is the session about kubuntu packaging?
[23:41] <neversfelde> Riddell: Amarok is released tomorrow, it is in bzr for lucid and packages for lucid and karmic will hopefully be ready and in staging in time
[23:41] <DarkwingDuck> I feeling alot better thanks
[23:42] <Riddell> neversfelde: you're a star
[23:42] <neversfelde> Riddell: credits go to apachelogger
[23:43] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: Glad to hear it.
[23:43] <Riddell> neversfelde: so you'll upload to staging for lucid and karmic?
[23:43] <neversfelde> Riddell: lucid should be there and I will upload a karmic package in the next hour
[23:44] <Riddell> neversfelde: any changes in the packaging needed or are you just waiting for it to compile locally to check?
[23:44] <neversfelde> Riddell: no changes
[23:45] <neversfelde> I am waiting for it to build
[23:45] <nixternal> Riddell: I am sorry dude about last night...I had crashed right before you called me :(  I tried to wait and see if you would call since you said 7'ish
[23:46] <ScottK> nixternal: I managed (again) to pick up the tab for a soldier at BWI (it's a major transit point for overseas flights).  It's always great when they find out someone picked up their tab and look around to see if they can figure it out.
[23:47] <nixternal> ooh, I am not the only one who does that then...I did it at UDS last year as well, both at Midway and San Fran
[23:47] <seele_> there dont seem to be too many kubuntu sessions this time around
[23:48] <DarkwingDuck> I'm going to start docs tonight after my Colts football game :D
[23:48] <nixternal> if I were feeling a bit better, I would toss my bike on the back of the car and drive on down...only takes me about 14 hours to get to dallas
[23:48] <ScottK> seele: We'll schedule more when we don't get done at the first one.
[23:48] <nixternal> GO BEARS! :p
[23:48] <DarkwingDuck> :P Colts/Pats tonight
[23:48] <nixternal> there sure are a lot of community tracks I saw...oddly enough the same tracks from last year too
[23:48] <seele> ScottK: what's the timezone there?
[23:49] <nixternal> seele: -6
[23:49] <skreech> Riddell: Thanks
[23:49] <nixternal> same as chicago
[23:49] <ScottK> seele: One hour before you
[23:49] <nixternal> they are on Chicago Standard Time :p
[23:49] <ScottK> (unless you aren't at home)
[23:49] <seele> shit, not going to make that meeting
[23:49] <seele> i have a project meeting at noon to 1
[23:49] <seele> grr
[23:50] <skreech> ScottK, nixternal: hooray for drinking soldiers!!
[23:50] <seele> what is Kubuntu Lucid Development?
[23:50] <Riddell> nixternal:
[23:51] <Riddell> nixternal: that's fine, I had to pay for a hotel room but BA promise to pay me back
[23:51] <nixternal> ;(  what time was your flight today?
[23:52] <Riddell> 7 am
[23:52] <Riddell> nixternal: and 10 miles isn't near, that's probably an hour's cycle
[23:52] <nixternal> if you stayed with me, we would have had to snuggle in my bed :)
[23:52] <nixternal> Riddell: 30 minute bike ride at most to get there...do it on a regular basis
[23:52] <nixternal> 15 minutes by car
[23:52] <ScottK> 30 minutes to park
[23:52] <nixternal> lol, 1 hour to park
[23:53] <nixternal> if your plane was a bit later, i could have scouped you up and gone down to my brothers house...he has plenty of room and a lot of toys to play with :)
[23:53] <nixternal> 100MB up and down internet for one, which is a lot of fun
[23:53] <Riddell> rgreening: you being anti social in your room?
[23:56] <nixternal> anyone looking for a consultant? I am looking for work....I am an OK programmer, and seemingly specialize in Linux based appliances...storage has seemed to be the niche for me the past 2 years
[23:57] <nixternal> I am waiting for 2 people to get back to me as they contacted me while I was gone for some work, which oddly enough seems to be "Linux Storage"
[23:57] <nixternal> I think one of them is my old job, because the message explained my last job to a 'T'